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OCTOBER 25,1996
UPCOMING MEETINGS AND EVENTS
1. COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULE:
OCTOBER 29 5:30 P.M. SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING
Consider the proposed zoning ordinance
amendments concerning RV parking, including
draft ordinance sections 211105.11 & 21135.06
Council Chambers
NOVEMBER 6 6:20 P.M. SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING
Consider Salary Adjustment for City Manager
Medicine Lake Room
NOVEMBER 6 7:00 P.M. REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING
Council Chambers
NOVEMBER 20 7:00 P.M. REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING
Council Chambers
2. CITY OPENHOUSF./FIRE DEPARTMENT OPENHOUSE, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 26,
10 A.M. - NOON, City Hall. The Fire Department Open House runs from noon to 3 p.m. at
Fire Station #3, 3300 Dunkirk Lane.
3. ZONING ORDINANCE PUBLIC MEETING — OC7OBER 29, 7: 00 P.M., Parkers Lake
Pavilion, 15205 County Road 6.
4. ELECTION DAX TUESDAY, NOYFMBER S. Polls will be open from 7:00 AM. until 8:00
P.M.
5. HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION, THURSDAY, NOYF.AOER 7, 7:30 P.M., Medicine Lake
Room.
6. MEETING CALENDARS — The October, November, and December meeting calendars are
attached. (M-6)
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CITY COUNCIL INFORMA77ONMEMO
October 25, 19916
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1. COUNCIL MEETING ITEMS
a Update from the Planning Department regarding discussion at the October 29 Special
Council Meeting on revisions requested for the proposed Zoning Ordinance. (I -la)
b. Draft agenda for the Regular Council Meeting of November 6, 1996. (I-1 b)
2. MEETING MINUTES
a Plymouth Park and Recreation Advisory Commission meeting of October 10, 1996. a-
b. Plymouth Advisory Committee on Transit meeting of September 25, 1996. (I -2b)
3. NEWS ARTICLES, RELEASES, PUBLICATIONS, ETC,
a The Plymouth City Council Candidates Forum will be replayed on NWCT Channel
12. Attached is a replay schedule. (I -3a)
b. Reprint of an article in the August, 1996 issue of Governing, which may provide ideas
for the speeding issue on Peony Lane ant 19'h Avenue, and also provide ideas for the
City's 1997 Zachary Lane Project. a -3b)
c- Notice from the Metropolitan Council of public forums and hearings to be held in
October and November regarding the Council's proposed regional growth management
plan. (I -3c)
d October 18, 1996 Star Tribune news article about the increase in Twin Cities area
property taxes. (I -3d)
e. October 18, 1996 Star Tribune news article about the winning of the Federal Duck
Stamp Contest by Plymouth resident Bob Hautman, the third Hautman brother to win
the contest. a -3e)
f. Municipal Legislative Commission Update, October 15, 1996. a -3,i
4. CITIZEN COMMUNICATIONS POLICY- CORRESPONDENCE
a Letter to Robert Binish from Public Works Director Fred Moore responding to
comments on the speed bumps installed onl9th Avenue/Peony Lane. Binish's original
letter is included. (I -4a)
b. Letter to Henry Willegalle, President of the East Parkers Lake Improvement Association
from Park Director Enc Blank, responding to concerns over recreational use of Parkers
Lake. The original letter from the Association is attached. a 4b)
c. Letter to Tracie Wollman from Eric Blank responding to comments about excluding
children under the age of three from the recreational facilities pools. Wollman's original
letter is attached. (I -4c)
CITY COUNCIL INFORMATION MEMO
October 25, 1996
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d Letter to the Mayor and Council from Pattie Lillibridge and Glenn Flekke, expressing
concerns about assessments for road improvement. The letter has been forwarded to
Finance Director Dale Hahn and Public Works Director Fred Moore for a response. a -
4d)
e. Transcript of Internet e-mail from Patrick McKee with inquiries about the Mission Bills
neighborhood. park. The item was forwarded to Park Director Eric Blank for a response.
A status report on the most recent correspondence is attached. (1-4)
5. CORRESPONDENCE
a. Letter to Members of the Charter Commission from Manager Dwight Johnson
acknowledging steps to be taken in assist to the Charter Commission in establishing
staggered terms. Also attached is a copy of the letter to Plymouth legislators asking for
assistance in possible legislation relating to the staggered terms a -5a)
A Letter from Hennepin County Commissioner Sandra Hillary to Mayor Tierney with an
update on County action to adopt housing policies designed to compliment and support
city housing activities. a -5b)
c. Letter from Tom Scott in the City Attorney's office with information regarding )Etna
Life Insurance Company's request for a hearing in the case of 1Ftna Life Insurance
Company vs Hennepin County and the City of Plymouth. a -5c) .
d Letter to the City form Glen and Dorothy Hanson praising work on the West Medicine
Lake Park. a -5d)
6. GENERAL ELECTION UPDATE — We have processed 1269 absentee ballots to date for
the November 5 General Election. City Hall is open for absentee balloting during all regular
business hours, as well as the following extended hours:
Saturday, Oct. 26 10 a.m. to Noon (During Open House)
Saturday, Nov. 2 9 a.m. to 3 p.m.
Monday, Nov. 4 8 a.m. to 7 p.m.
Voter registration for the election closed on October 15. Individuals who are not registered
and wishing to vote on November 5 can be instructed to bring to their polling place a drivers
license or Minnesota ID card with their current address, or a registered voter from their
precinct to vouch for their residence. Residents should be instructed to call City Hall (509-
5000) for additional registration options, absentee voting information, and to determine their
polling location.
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Parking
Due to overwhelming citizen demand, Community
Development staff will be recommending that the Planning
Commission delete the language from the proposed zoning
ordinance that would:
• limit the number of recreational vehicles;
• set a 72 -hour limit on storage;
• require that they be parked in a side or rear yard; and
• add screening requirements.
Copies of the two pages affected, showing the deleted
language crossed out, are attached.
We will further recommend that if the City Council sees a
need to consider any restrictions on RV parking in the future,
that they establish a task force including citizen members to
discuss this issue beginning sometime in early 1997.
Thanks for your patience and comments on this issue.
Community Development Department
job City of Plymouth
(612) 509-5400 FAX 509-5407
OCT -24-1996 1048 NAC 612 595 9837 P.02iO3
DRAFT ZONING ORDINANCE - PLYMOUM 1"00I a 104
materials stored outside in violation of the City Ordinances are considered refuse or
junk and shall be disposed of pursuant to City regulations.
(b) Any accumulation of refuse not stored in containers which comply with City
Code, or any accumulation of refuse including car parts which has remained on a
property for more than one (1) week is hereby declared to be a nuisance and may be
abated by order of the Zoning Administrator, as provided by Minnesota Statutes and
Section 2010 of the City Code. The cost of abatement shall be recovered in accordance
with the applicable provisions of Section 2010 of the City Code.
Subd. 2. Residential Zoning Districts.
(a) Exceptions. All personal property shall be stored within a building or fully
screened so as not to be visible from adjoining properties and public streets, except for
the following:
(1) Play and recreational facilities.
(2) Stacked firewood for the burning supply of the property resident.
(3) Construction and landscaping materials or equipment, if these are used
or intended for use on the premises within a period of twelve (12) months.
(4) Agricultural equipment and materials, if these are used or intended for
use on the premises within a period of twelve (12) months.
(5) Off-street parking of licensed passenger automobiles and personal or
commercial vehicles of less than twelve thousand (12,000) pounds gross weight
in designated driveway or parking area, surfaced in compliance with Section
21135.07, Subd. I. of this Chapter.
(b) Recreational Vehicle and Equipment Storage.
AdMW9tmWf dMM8h OR Wmi"istmtWe use permit, not more ftn two (2), Recreational
vehicles, as defined by Section 21005 of this Chapter, may be parked or stored on a
residential site when used by the family residing in the dwelling on such site. Such
vehicles or equipment shall have affixed thereto current registration or license plates as
required by law and shall be stored so as to comply with accessory building setback
requirements of the residential section of this Chapter and such parking or storage shall
otherwise meet all other .requirements of any other City ordinances and any state laws.
No parked or stored vehicles or items shall be connected to any water or sewage
disposal system on said property where same is so parked or stored.
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Subd. 3. Business and Industrial Zoning Districts.
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DRAFT ZONING ORDINANCE - PLYMOUTH �+'_ f a 130
21135.06. OFT -STREET PARKING RESTRICTIONS:
Subd. -21. Except where otherwise allowed as exterior storage or in a zoning
district, trucks of more than twelve thousand (12,000) pounds in gross vehicle weight or
greater than thirty (30) feet in length, and contracting or excavating equipment may not be
parked, stored or otherwise located on any property within the City unless being used in
conjunction with a temporary service benefiting the premises.
Subd. 32. Junked or inoperable vehicles may not be parked, stored or otherwise
located on any property within the City for a period greater than seventy-two (72) hours unless
placed completely within an enclosed building or garage or screened in accordance with the
provisions of Section 21130 of this Chapter. Said regulations shall also apply to race cars.
Subd. 43. No motor vehicle repair work of any kind shall be permitted in
conjunction with exposed off-street parking facilities, except for minor repairs of vehicles
owned by the occupant or resident of the principal use for which the parking space is intended.
No exterior storage of car parts are allowed at any time.
21135.07. PARKING AREA DESIGN:
Subd. 1. Construction.
(a) Except in the FRD District, all exposed parking areas and driveways shall be
surfaced with material such as asphalt or concrete. Equivalent surfacing materials and
porous pavement options may be allowed upon approval by the Zoning Administrator.
(b) Except as may be required or exempted by the Zoning Administrator, drive
aisles and parking stalls shall be constructed in accordance with the following minimum
tonnage standards:
(1) Drive aisles - seven (7) ton.
(2) Parking stalls - five (5) ton.
Subd. 2. Striping and Curbing. All parking areas where four (4) or more spaces
are required shall be marked by durable painted stripes designating the parking spaces. A
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Subd. -21. Except where otherwise allowed as exterior storage or in a zoning
district, trucks of more than twelve thousand (12,000) pounds in gross vehicle weight or
greater than thirty (30) feet in length, and contracting or excavating equipment may not be
parked, stored or otherwise located on any property within the City unless being used in
conjunction with a temporary service benefiting the premises.
Subd. 32. Junked or inoperable vehicles may not be parked, stored or otherwise
located on any property within the City for a period greater than seventy-two (72) hours unless
placed completely within an enclosed building or garage or screened in accordance with the
provisions of Section 21130 of this Chapter. Said regulations shall also apply to race cars.
Subd. 43. No motor vehicle repair work of any kind shall be permitted in
conjunction with exposed off-street parking facilities, except for minor repairs of vehicles
owned by the occupant or resident of the principal use for which the parking space is intended.
No exterior storage of car parts are allowed at any time.
21135.07. PARKING AREA DESIGN:
Subd. 1. Construction.
(a) Except in the FRD District, all exposed parking areas and driveways shall be
surfaced with material such as asphalt or concrete. Equivalent surfacing materials and
porous pavement options may be allowed upon approval by the Zoning Administrator.
(b) Except as may be required or exempted by the Zoning Administrator, drive
aisles and parking stalls shall be constructed in accordance with the following minimum
tonnage standards:
(1) Drive aisles - seven (7) ton.
(2) Parking stalls - five (5) ton.
Subd. 2. Striping and Curbing. All parking areas where four (4) or more spaces
are required shall be marked by durable painted stripes designating the parking spaces. A
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CITY OF PLYMOUTH
AGENDA
REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING
NOVEMBER 6, 19%
1. CALL TO ORDER AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
2. ROLL CALL
3. PLYMOUTH FORUM - Individuals may address the Council
about any item not contained on the regular agenda. A maximum
of IS minutes is allotted for the Forum. If the full 15 minutes are
not needed for the Forum, the City Council will continue with the
agenda. The City Council will take no official action on items
discussed at the Forum, with the exception of referral to staff or
commission for future repon.
4. PRESENTATIONS AND PUBLIC INFORMATION
ANNOUNCEMMZ* 8
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S. APPROVE AGENDA - Councilmembers may add items to the
agenda including items contained in the Council Information
Memorandum for discussion purposes or staff direction only. The
Council will not nornally take official action on items added to the
agenda.
6. CONSENT AGENDA - These items are considered to be routine
and will be enacted by one motion. There will be no separate
discussion of these items unless a Councilmember or citizen so
requests, in which event the item will be removed from the Consent
Agenda and placed elsewhere on the agenda.
A. Approve City Council Minutes
* Items require 5 aFffimwdve votes of the City Council for appmval.
DRAFT
10/25/96
12:53 PM
7:00 P.M.
REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING
November 6,1996
Page 2
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C.
Approve Disbursements
t.- ib
Canvass and Certify results from November 5 General Election
D. Deny a Lot Division to create two parcels and Variances for
reduced lot size for property located at 12305A 30th Avenue
North. Ali Mahabadi (95041)
*E. Approve Site Plan, Conditional Use Permit and Variances to
allow construction of a daycare facility and office use building
southwest of Harbor Lane and north of Highway 55.
Goldridge Group (96125)
*F. Approve a Conditional Use Permit for outside storage of a waste
oil tank and related fence to be located at the rear of the building
for property located at 9605 36th Avenue North. Sinclair Oil
Corporation (96123)
*G. Conditional Use Permits for limited retail sales by Allied Fireside,
Inc., and Cal Spas of Minnesota in the Industrial District located at
the northeast quadrant of I-494 and Carlson Parkway. Carlson Real
Estate (96133) (96134)
H. Declaration of Restrictive Covenant for LifeTime Fitness and
Ice Arena.
I. Approve Continued City Participation in Metropolitan Livable
Communities Act Programs for 1997 (95137)
L Approve Final Plat for Evergreen Knoll located south of County
Road 6, west of Urbandale Lane North. Fazen&n Brothers, Inc.
(96041)
K. Approve Naming of Plymouth/LifeTime Recreation facilities
L. Adopt Guidelines for low-income access to Life Time Fitness
M. Plymouth Ice Rink:
* Items require 5 gffirmative votes of the City Council for approval.
REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING
November 6, 19%
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1. Reapprove State Ice Grant
2. Establish Hourly Use Rates
3. Establish Priority Use Policy
4. Approve Contract for Pop Sales
N. Approve application of Oakwood Elementary School PTO
for Exemption from Lawful Gambling License for event on
January 25, 1997
O. Order Updated Traffic Study for Signal Installation at West
Medicine Lake Road and Northwest Blvd.
P. Amend Fees for Licenses and Permits
Q. Consider Hollydale and Elm Creek Golf Course Assessments
R. Establish Subcommittee to consider Street Reconstruction
Policy
S. Consider amendment to Travel Policy
T. Approve 1996-1997 Dues Payment to League of Minnesota
Cities
*U. Approve Rezoning and Preliminary Plat for Ferndale Place
Addition located at 1220 Ferndale Road. Roger Anderson
Engineering, Inc. (96038)
V. Approve payment of Insurance Deductible for Defense Costs
W. Approve Site Plan Amendment for 25 additional parking spaces
to be located on the west side of the building at 625 Xenium Lane
North. Olympic Steel, Inc. (96142)
X. Approve Site Improvement Performance Agreement Reductions:
1) Caliber Development for property located at 2950 Xemum
Lane North (95131)
2) Caliber Development for property located at 9850 51"
Avenue North (95131)
* Items require 5 gffirmative votes of the City Council for approval.
REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING ib
November 6, 1996
Page 4
3) Four Seasons II, L.L.C. for property located at 4200
Lancaster Lane North (96111)
Y. Approve Final Plat for Home Depot and two pad sites located
at the northeast quadrant of I-494 and County Road 6. Belgarde
Enterprises. (96153)
Z. Consider sending a copy of County Staff Handwritten Calculations
to Hennepin County Commissioners.
7. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A.
8. GENERAL BUSINESS
A. Discussion of Proposed Noise Ordinance. City of Plymouth (96094)
B. Written request by Mayor Tierney to exceed one-third
budget limit on conference expenditures for National
League of Cities Conference
C. Accept Senior Citizen Needs Analysis Report
D. East Medicine Lake Trail Concept Plan
B. Consider establishing Task Force to study Regulations for Ourtdoor
Storage and Parking in Residential Zoning District.
*F. Order Environmental Assessment Worksheet (EAW) for 348 -Unit
Cornerstone Retirement Community and three industrial buildings.
Elim Care,Inc. (96137)
9. REPORTS AND STAFF RECOIVMMI)ATIONS
A. Report on draft noise ordinance
B. Third Quarter Financial Report
* Items require 5 affirmative votes of the City Council for approval.
REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING
November 6, 19%
Page S
C. Report on Peony Lane/19" Avenue Speed Humps
10. ADJOURNNaM
* Items require 5 affirmative votes of the City Council for approval.
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Minutes of the Park and Recreation Advisory Commission Meeting
October 10, 1996
Page 43
Present: Chair Anderson, Commissioners Fiemann, Priebe, and Willegalle,
(Commissioners Thompson and Wahl arrived later); Planning Commissioner
Bildsoe; staff Abel, Bisek, Blank and Sankey (City Manager Johnson arrived
later).
Absent: Commissioner Johnson
1. CALL TO ORDER
Chair Anderson called the meeting to order at 7:05 p.m. in the Mooney Lake
Conference Room.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A motion was made by Commissioner Fiemann and seconded by Commissioner
Priebe to approve the minutes of the meeting as presented. The motion carried with
all ayes.
3. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS
a. Athletic Associations. None were present.
b. Staff. Mary Bisek announced that the Art Fair was a success. Attendance was
about 1200, and the number of vendors and artists was up from last year. The
parent organization New Hope/Plymouth Athletic Association is disbanding.
However, the individual sports organizations are continuing to function as usual.
At some time in the future, the City may have to be more involved. The City will
be hosting an Open House on October 26 featuring many displays and activities
for visitors. Staff will be receiving software training in December for the new
department software. The new software contains a very strong scheduling
package which will be very helpful. There will also be a phone-in registration
option added in the future. It will be a lot of work to convert to the new system,
but it should be well worth while.
Commissioner Willegale mentioned that an artist is working on a model of the
log cabin. The life size reproduction is being constructed in Ely and will be
moved to Parkers Lake.
c. Others.
4. PAST COUNCIL ACTION
a. Maple Creek Proiect. Director Blank reported that a group in favor of installing a
basketball court in the Maple Creek Park had appeared at the Council meeting.
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Marion Barber spoke very eloquently and convincingly on the subject. Mary
Bisek added that he works with disadvantaged children. The Council is referring
the project back to PRAC. Director Blank believes he has a workable solution
which he will bring back to the Commission in November. Commissioner
Willegalle asked about this. Eric said it would be right in the middle of the park.
They would have to move two trees and move the trail, but it would be further
away from the homes and should be a good compromise. Chair Anderson
commented that the people in the neighborhood seemed to be most worried
about noise and attracting problems. The general feeling was that there
wouldn't be that many problem youth attracted to the basketball court, but that
the woods would be a more attractive feature. Eric said he would try to have it
staked out before the next meeting.
5. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
a. Ice arena comolex. The project continues to progress. Director Blank said that
some bids have been awarded, some rejected, and some had no bidders. Next
Monday at 2:00 bids will be opened again. If the weather holds out for 14 more
days, the curb, gutter, and blacktop should be completed. This will really make
the weather less of a factor because equipment and workers can get in and out
of the project so much easier. It looks like an ice sheet will be started around
February 13, but March is the realistic opening date. Lifetime may be about one
month behind the ice arena in opening.
Director Blank said that staff members had also been discussing the issue of
naming the complex. He handed out a sample of a sign which could be erected
on 34 Avenue at the main entrance. The name would be "Plymouth/Lifetime
Recreational Center! The name over the door for the ice arena would be
"Plymouth Ice Center". Lifetime Fitness would have their own sign. The
proposed activity building would be "Plymouth Activity Center." This would fall in
line with the Council's action of renaming the downtown Plymouth area
"Plymouth City Center." Commissioner Willegalle commented that he liked the
plan, and Commissioner Priebe agreed. COMMISSIONER ANDERSON
MOVED TO CALL THE ICE ARENA PLYMOUTH ICE CENTER AND TO CALL
THE TOTAL PROJECT THE PLYMOUTH LIFETIME RECREATIONAL
CENTER. COMMISSIONER WILLEGALLE SECONDED THE MOTION. AYES
ALL.
b. West Medicine Lake Park update. Director Blank reported that the concrete
bridge arrived. The new road will open between November 1 and November 10.
Traffic will be diverted at that time. The old road will be milled off and seeded
over, and then Phase 1 will be complete. Phase 2 is out for bid. This includes
beach dredging, the pedestrian bridge over the creek, and removal of culverts.
This could start yet late this fall. Phase 3 will be discussed this winter. At that
time we will know how much money is available in the budget which can be
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spent on the finishing touches. According to an 1887 document, an Indian burial
ground may be under the old roadway. The State Archeologist and Indian
Affairs Council will do radar tests and soil testing to determine whether it still
exists. Sewer, a house, and the road have all gone through the area, so the
burial ground may not be there. If the testing does find it, we may have to
redesign a small part of the park.
Commissioner Priebe asked when the park would be operational. Director Blank
said it will still be under construction with the last phase next summer. There will
need to be fencing and signs around the construction area for safety and liability
concerns. Mary Bisek commented that the beach has not been officially open for
at least five years, although some individuals.do swim there on their own. Eric
said that the rest of the project is relatively easy and should be completed by
next fall. The big issue is the burial mounds and how they will affect the plans.
Tim Flugaur, 12023 23rd Avenue N. He questioned why the footbridge needs to
go in and why the culverts need to be removed. He felt that since the DNR did
not allow the creek to be dredged for canoeing, the bridge was unnecessary.
We could just leave the culverts in place, which could serve as bridges for
pedestrian traffic. Director Blank stated that this design was approved by the
Council over a year ago. It will be an important feature for the park to be used
for fishing and foot traffic. Commissioner Fiemann asked Mr. Flugaur about his
reason for concern. Mr. Flugaur responded that he was against the park from
the beginning. He feels the cost is too high, and why take out the road to put in
a new bridge? He is also concerned about traffic, grading, losing trees, and the
affect of the walking paths on the wildlife areas. He is also concerned about
deer and plantings along the roadway and their affect on safety and visibility.
He has been attending the informational meetings. Chair Anderson pointed out
that this park represented about ten years of work and numerous public
meetings. Director Blank stated that the plan we are showing is a concept plan,
and it can still be changed to some degree. Forestry can listen to requests
regarding planting along the roadway. However, the park has all been approved
and is on its way.
Commissioner Fiemann asked if a historical marker could be placed at the site of
the burial mounds. Director Blank said that was possible, and he could meet
with the necessary agencies. Mary Bisek said that our Historical Society has
been discussing the installation of kiosks in the park which would highlight the
history of the area.
c. Ooen Soaces update. Director Blank reported that the Johnson Brothers land
purchase is on the Council agenda Wednesday, October 16. This purchase will
deplete the $2 million budget for open space acquisition. There are two parcels
left from the original plan yet to be purchased. The Council will have to decide
whether or not to budget money for this.
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d. Elm Creek Playflield update. The playfield has been seeded, the light poles are
going up, and work is substantially done for this fall. Teams will be kept off until
the spring of 1998. Bids on fencing and the building were rejected. We will wait
until January to rebid. Chair Anderson asked if the football stadium would be
built. Director Blank replied that the committee is working on it, but no decision
has been made. The School District is most concerned at the present time with
getting the building project completed on time. Commissioner Fiemann asked
how the bridge was coming. Eric said that it is moving along. The road is nearly
done, and the bridge should be completed next summer. Commissioner
Fiemann also asked about the parking lots. Eric said the large west parking lot
is complete. The southerly lot was about to be paved and should be finished
very soon.
Director Blank reported that City Forester Paul Buck had done a rice planting
with some high school students in some of the run-off ponds at the new high
school site. He had an Indian Medicine Man at the planting to do a blessing. It
was an enriching experience for all involved.
e. Senior Citizens needs analysis. Director Blank presented the Senior Citizen
Needs Study report to the commission. He explained that the Youth Sports Task
Force had met for about a year, when the seniors asked to get involved to have
their needs met, too. The City Council appointed a committee which consisted
of representatives from the Plymouth senior population, the Park and Recreation
Department, the Park and Recreation Advisory commission, Senior Community
Serves and School Districts 281 and 284. The community will see a rapid
growth in its senior population. Their health, transportation, housing, and food
needs are all of concern. Senior Community Services provides our part-time
Senior Coordinator, Sara Mittelstaedt. They are funded by United Way and by
the cities which participate. Several other cities in the area participate, too, and
it works well. For every dollar the City puts into it, we receive back $2 in
services.
The report shows what the seniors would like to see in a facility, including things
such as a 100 -cup coffee pot and a self-cleaning oven. They would like to have
programs scheduled Monday through Friday, 9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. The
structure could be used for other programs and age groups at other times. Also,
the generations could be mixed in certain programs. Seniors love to mingle.
The budget should include a full time coordinator, plus a receptionist and a part
time clerical person. The seniors see the building as a multi -generational
building that they would use as their focal point.
Director Blank stated that the Youth Sports Task Force reviewed the report last
night and received it well. They suggested that the Council authorize some
preliminary work to develop costs and ideas. Commissioner Priebe commented
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that he liked the idea that the center could be heavily used by seniors, but also
be used by the entire community. Director Blank added that, New Brighton has a
building called a "Family Center" which works much like this, although the name
gives it a little more limited focus. Commissioner Willegalle added that there
had been a suggestion that a second story be added to the building, and that
perhaps Lifetime Fitness would move their corporate offices there. They would
pay rent, which could help fund the operational costs. Commissioner Priebe
asked if the facility in Minnetonka was similar. Chair Anderson said that the
Minnetonka facility would be a good one to look at to aid in planning the
building. Commissioner Willegalle added that we should get the costs. tied
down, and that doing two floors at once would be less expensive than adding
one later. Chair Anderson asked what type of activities would happen in the
building. Director Blank said they would consist of non -athletic activities such as
art classes, choirs, bands, etc. COMMISSIONER PRIEBE MOVED TO
FORWARD THE SENIOR CITIZENS FUTURE NEEDS STUDY TO THE
COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT A STUDY BE DONE TO LOOK
AT USE NEEDS FOR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES. COMMISSIONER
WILLEGALLE SECONDED. AYES ALL.
Commissioner Willegalle noted that this study made use of data from State and
County agencies in its preparation. Planning Commissioner Bildsoe pointed out
that there is a proposal before the Planning Commission for an Elam Care
Community Living project with over 100 units for seniors. City Manager Johnson
added that a proposal just came for a senior housing project on Highway 55.
f. Continuina Golf Course discussion. Director Blank said that there was nothing
new to report on the golf courses, although we could possibly hire a consultant
in the future. Tim Flugauer asked about the issue. Eric said that the
Commission is trying to anticipate possible development of the three golf course
properties and would like to prevent the City from losing them all.
g. East Medicine Lake Regional Trail uodate. Director Blank has been working
with the Hennepin County Park District on this project. The real issues at this
point are focused on the south end of the lake. Commissioner Thompson asked
if any consensus had been reached at the meetings. Eric replied that in general,
they have agreed that a trail is needed, but the exact layout has not been
decided.
6. NEW BUSINESS
a. 1997-2001 CIP. Director Blank stated that the only real change was on Elm
Creek Play field which was changed from $100,000 to $265,000. Trail money in
1999 is earmarked for County Road 9 at the 494 Bridge. Birchview Elementary
has asked for $25,000, and Pilgrim Lane has asked for $15,000. Staff has a
recommendation to revise the school playground policy. The change says that
in no case would over 50% of the total capital cost, with a maximum of $25,000,
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be donated by the City. These schools are substituting for a neighborhood park
in the area. We would be spending 100°x6 of the cost, or approximately $75,000
if the school wasn't there. The $25,000 amount is about 1/3 of the total cost of a
playground, which is equivalent to the old policy. A gym facility at Wayzata High
School is shown. A possible gym project at Armstrong High School has also
been discussed. Funding for the Activity Center is still fluid; several possibilities
exist. Director Blank said that the Commission needs to prioritize the projects at
this level of planning. The Council and financial planners would need to
determine funding later. Also, we must remember that once we build a capital
improvement, it becomes part of the operating budget the next year.
Commissioner Fiemann asked what our involvement is at West Lutheran High
School. Director Blank explained that we have added a baseball field upon
which we would have first priority during the summer and second priority during
the school year. Because of the work already completed by the school, we were
able to add the ball field for only $30,000. Commissioner Fiemann asked if it
was important to put updating of school playgrounds on the CIP. Eric stated that
he would prefer to wait until a project is requested. Commissioner Wahl asked if
any other parks needed updating. Eric said there were two shown right now
which needed updating due to safety issues or because they were wom out.
Commissioner Willegalle asked how we would shelter the land for the 1 e
playfield if we don't show all the money for it, and when would we be addressing
it? Director Blank explained that the property would probably cost between
$10,000 and $12,000 per acre for the 80 acres. The owner, Sherber, may be
willing to hold a contract for deed. A down payment could be paid in 1999.
Commissioner Wahl noticed that there was a discrepancy of $200,000 between
the total at the end of 1999 and the start of 2000. Director Blank agreed that
there seemed to be an error, and it would need to be checked out.
Commissioner Thompson expressed concern for the Baseball and Softball
Association on field development, especially the Ess land. She said they were
counting on this project. Director Blank responded that right now, working on the
old Wayzata High School and the Greenwood sites seemed to be the most
economical. An analysis of the number of teams anticipated could be done to
determine what types of fields are needed. The CIP could be adjusted a year
from now, adjusted now, or approved and passed on to the Council with a note
about this perceived weakness. Commissioner Fiemann .stated that all of these
projects have such a high priority. He wants the Council to understand this.
Commissioner Thompson again expressed concern for the playflelds. CHAIR
ANDERSON MOVED TO ACCEPT THE CIP AS SHOWN BUT THE COUNCIL
IS TO BE AWARE OF ITEMS A -F TO BE ATTACHED TO THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER FIEMANN SECONDED. AYES ALL.
COMMISSIONER WILLEGALLE MOVED TO ACCEPT THE SCHOOL
PLAYGROUND IMPROVEMENT POLICY AS REVISED FOR NOVEMBER 1996.
COMMISSIONER WAHL SECONDED. AYES ALL.
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b. Review policies on ice arena. Bill Abel presented his reports on policies for the
ice arena.
1) Priority ranking. Bill suggested that the usage ranking be as follows: City
sponsored programs, High School hockey, Wayzata youth hockey, other
youth programs, Plymouth adult programs, other outside community youth
groups, private rentals. Director Blank said that this was pretty typical. Most
scheduling would have to work around high school games. Giving Wayzata
youth hockey priority over other youth hockey is in response to their
contribution to the project. They are also the largest association. We do
have to walk a fine line on this issue. We will have the option to schedule
open skating and skating lessons at reasonable times.
2) Ice rental rates. Bill suggested that the prime time rate would be $31.25 for
% hour or $125 per hour. Non -prime rates would be $27.50 per % hour or
$110 per hour. Prime time is defined as 2:30-11:00 p.m. on schooldays and
7:30 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. on weekends and non -school days. Commissioner
Thompson asked if the difference between the rates was large enough. Bill
said that no matter what the difference, people still want the prime time.
Commissioner Willegalle asked what other arenas do. Bill said that we are
somewhat on the low end because Chanhassen is charging $140 (they have
only one sheet), Brooklyn Park is charging $135 and $110, and New Hope is
charging $135 and $100.
Commissioner Willegalle said that it had been his observation that the late
night times are not heavily used. Bill noted that a determination would have
to be made of whether it would be worth staying open late nights if usage
was low. He also added that daytime hours can work out very well with noon
hockey and mom & tot programs. Bill presented a chart of fees for various
skate sharpening and rental rates. He said that these rates are very
reasonable for our public. City Manger Johnson asked if sales tax is
included. Bill said that yes, it was. Commissioner Thompson recommended
the fees be changed to $130 and $90. Bill pointed out that surrounding
communities are using higher rates than we are, and that $5 per hour is
$20,000 per year. Planning Commissioner Bildsoe wondered if the
suggested rates would be the break even point. Director Blank stated that it
would be better than that. He also said that we would have two ice sheets,
which makes it much easier to cover costs, and that we don't want to over-
charge our citizens. Commissioner Willegalle noted that there are a lot of
new ice sheets in the area, which means a lot of competition. Commissioner
Wahl wondered how many hours would go to Wayzata. Bill answered that
they would like to have 2000, but will probably get 1500.
Director Blank pointed out that the first year will be difficult because we are
missing the two busiest hockey months, January and February. City
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Manager Johnson wondered it we would show a loss in 1997. Bill said that
yes, it would probably be around $40,000460,000. Bill stated that it will take
about one year to smooth out. Commissioner Willegalle was sure that
Wayzata will say the rates are too high. Bill said that actually they had
commented that they sounded low. Chair Anderson suggested the prime rate
should be $130.
Commissioner Willegalle had seen some free standing sharpening machines
that people could use, and he wondered how Bill felt about these vending
machines. Bill said that we would always have someone on staff, and that he
had seen some problems with the sharpener machines. Commissioner Wahl
asked if concessions would be run by the City. Bill answered that yes they
would.
CHAIR ANDERSON MOVED THAT THE ICE RENTAL AND PRIORTY
FACILITY USAGE REPORT AND THE PUBLIC SKATING FEES BE
ACCEPTED, BUT THE PRIME TIME RATE WOULD BE CHANGED TO $130
INSTEAD OF $125. COMMISSIONER THOMPSON SECONDED. AYES
ALL.
CHAIR ANDERSON MOVED THAT THE HOCKEY TOURNAMENT RENTAL
RATES BE ACCEPTED EXCEPT THAT THE RATE BE RAISED FROM $125
TO $130. COMMISSIONER THOMPSON SECONDED. AYES ALL.
3) Advertising policies. There are too many questions yet on advertising
policies. This will be studied and brought back to the Commission at a later
date.
c. Review draft urogram for low income individuals' access to Lifetime Fitness
Center. Mary Bisek presented her report on this issue. She said that we have a
system in place, using federal guidelines, for determining who qualifies for
assistance. She studied our history in 1995 and 1996 to see age ranges and
usage. Her concern is the adult ticket limit. Since childless adults and seniors
can apply for these tickets, and adults must accompany children to the facility,
we could run out of adult tickets. People will pay 1/3 of the daily fee. We could
use the income from this to fund the purchase of additional adult tickets if
necessary. She also suggested limiting people to four tickets per year. This is
just a guess on what will be necessary because of the unpredictability of
participation. She had consulted with LaDonna Hoye of Interfaith Outreach, who
had commented that people might be hesitant to use these tickets at first,
because of not have the right clothes, confidence, etc. Demand may grow
slowly, but it is very hard to predict. Senior Coordinator Sara Mittelstaedt
thought some of the seniors might be interested.
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Commissioner Thompson asked what children under 13 would do at the facility.
Mary replied that there are gym activities, a leisure pool, and a child care area
with activities. They could not use the weight area. Commissioner Willegalle
commented that Lifetime Fitness does promote more family activities than most
fitness centers. He thinks Mary's suggested plan is a good one which could be
adjusted later if necessary. Commissioner Thompson felt that a four ticket limit
per year was a good start. Mary commented that it may become necessary to
print an expiration date of about two weeks on the tickets so that the first people
in would not be able to wipe out the supply. Commissioner Wahl thought the
idea of an expiration date could be good, but perhaps it should be a month.
Commissioner Willegalle agreed. COMMISSIONER WAHL MOVED TO
APPROVE THE PROPOSAL ON LOW INCOME INDIVIDUALS' ACCESS TO
LIFETIME FITNESS WITH THE AMENDED EXPIRATION DATE OF 4 WEEKS
INSTEAD OF 2 WEEKS. COMMISSIONER WILLEGALLE SECONDED. AYES
ALL.
7. COMMISSION PRESENTATION
None.
8. STAFF COMMUNICATION
None.
9. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 9:36 p.m.
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PLYMOUTH ADVISORY COIVIlVIITTTE ON TRANSIT
September 25, 1996
PRESENT Herb Miller, Barb Roberts and Joe Edwards
Representing MCTO - Hugh Hudson, Sheri Gingench and Dana Rude
Representing National School Bus Company - Dave Johnson
Representing the City of Plymouth - John Sweeney
Consultant for Plymouth Metrolink - George Bentley
LSA Design, Inc. - Stuart Krahn
Committee Secretary - Patty Hillstrom
L MEETING MINUTES
The minutes for the August 28, 1996 meeting were approved as written.
H. RIDERSHIP INFORMATION 1992 - 19% AND REVIEW OF RIDERSHIP
STATISTICS FOR JULY, 1996
George Bentley's Comments
Bentley distributed charts showing current ridership calculated in the same manner as it
has been calculated in the past. He has added an average per month total on the right
side near the top which should be of more assistance in showing where we are in
comparison to prior years.
Dial A Ride - The July total ridership shows that the special promotion is working.
He believes the August numbers will be positive also.
Plymouth Metrolink - Route 91A, B, C & D Has the highest total ever for the month
of July and overall for Metrolink we are up substantially per month from previous
years. The passengers per day indicate that the 1996 figures are in good shape and up
from last year.
Plymouth Metrolink - Route 92 - Is slightly below last year at this point but Bentley
anticipates that it will go up fairly substantially towards the end of the year. These
figures include all of the Route 92's.
Plymouth Metrolink - Route 93 - Ridership is up substantially on the Route 93.
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System Cost Summary Reports - Bentley has changed the subsidy numbers to reflect
what the current subsidy target numbers are. The goal for Dial -A -Ride is $5.85 or less
and the average to date is $9.46 which exceeds the goal. Metrolink is currently at
$3.65 with a goal of $3.78. The Route 91 is at $4.34 and the goal is $3.78. Route 92
is at $3.31 which is below subsidy. Route 93 is at $3.32 which is below subsidy as
well. These are all under the old ridership calculation system.
Bentley then distributed the charts with the revised ridership numbers for 1996 only.
The previous years numbers show the prior method of calculation. There is a
substantial increase in the ridership.
We are 4.5 % to the good on the budget in terms of expenditures and its getting better
each month.
Overall, its been a positive summer and we have not seen the usual summer drop in
ridership. If we hold steady we'll be ahead of last year simply because of the big drop
in October due to the strike.
III. PRESENTATION REGARDING THE FIICED ROUTE CIRCULATOR - BY
STUART GRAM, ISA DESIGN, INC.
Kuhn introduced himself and explained his work with city staff and National School
Bus Company regarding the fixed mute circulator. The fixed mute circulator is an
established mute in the City that will follow regular schedulm..This mute will provide
additional service to the City by servicing previously unserved transit destinations and
will expand the service hours into the midday.
Krahn went over the process they went through for the routing of these buses. The
first thing they did was to use the 1996 Riders Survey(Dial-A-Ride portion) for origin
and destination that passengers indicated and then created a dot map to identify hot
spots and dense area of use. Clustering of pickups and dmpoffs were in the areas
south of Four Seasons Mall along Lancaster Lane in the apartment area, southeast
corner by Nathan Lane, the Shelard Parkway area, Ridgedale, Plymouth Road Transit
Center, County Road 6 and County Road 101 area and also Wayzata East Junior High
The next step was to overlay the dots onto land use categories to look at it from a land
use planning perspective and the general categories picked were multi -family
residential, service business and shopping center business areas. What they found was
that greater than 50% of the stops were in or directly adjacent to these two broad
categories of land use. They identified those two land use categories as our service
target areas.
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They then tried to service as much of the city of Plymouth as possible with this
circulator and service as many of these activity centers and population concentrations as
possible. The concept they came up with to cover the greatest area in the city of
Plymouth was a dual circulator concept. Both of these circulators travel in a clockwise
direction and roughly in a circular pattern and they meet at Ridgedale in the south and
Target Greatland in the north for time transfer connections between them. This allows
all passengers to reach both Ridgedale and Target without having to transfer and allows
people to make cross town trips by originating on one route and transferring to the
other to travel all the way across the City in a east or west direction. In the muting, all
of the high density and most of the medium density areas are served.
Route 90A(Yellow Line) would originate at Ridgedale on Ridgedale Drive then north
on Plymouth Road stopping at the Plymouth Road Transit Center then travel along the
frontage road past the business supply and Toys R Us stores and across Hwy. 494
traveling up Carlson Parkway to Gleason Lake Drive and going west to Wayzata Senior
High School. Then north on Vicksburg to 18* Ave. by the Parkers Lake housing
development across 18* Ave. Then south on Dunkirk out Co. Rd. 6 to Plymouth
Plaza. Then proceed past Co. Rd. 101 to Olive, south on Olive to le and around, the
block, then head back north on Co. Rd. 101 and east to Co. Rd. 24 up to 36'" Ave. to
Cub Foods and then pulling into the parking lot and allowing passengers to get on -and
off at Cub Foods. Then north to 37m and across to 37* and Plymouth Blvd. at the
Plymouth Towne Square senior housing development and south to Plymouth Blvd.
across on 30 past the high density areas on 3e & Harbor go north on Ferndale to Co.
Rd. 9 and cross Co. Rd. 9 to Vinewood. Then north to Target Greatland/Rainbow
Foods area in by Franks Nursery and swing around the front of Rainbow Foods and go
over to Target Greatland where it would meet up with Route 90B(Blue Line). From
there it would head south on Xenium past the high density area turning on Campus
Drive past WestHealth then go down to 2e Ave. head east then go south on W.
Medicine Lake Drive across Hwy. 55 and then back NE to Co. Rd. 15 to Pineview.
Then south on Pineview and across on Sunset Trail which brings it close to Sunset
Elementary School and Wayzata East Junior High School and heads over to Zachary
Lane then south on Zachary Lane past the Co. Rd. 73 north park and ride and the Co.
Rd. 73 south park and ride and finally returning to Ridgedale along the south frontage
road.
Route 90B(Blue Line) starts out at Ridgedale and goes north past Plymouth Road
Transit Center up Xenium to Co. Rd. 6, west to Fernbrook, north to 19* Ave. and out
to Shenandoah up Vicksburg heads east a little ways to on 27* and makes it way up to
28". Goes on Medina Road for a brief stretch and then heads north on Niagara to
Plymouth Blvd. past City Hall up past the under construction Lifetime Fitness out to
Cub Foods and again pulls into the lot by Cub Foods and the library. Heads north to
37* and back out to Rockford Road and continues along Rockford Road and winds its
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way up to Fernbrook to Schmidt Lake Road across to Northwest Blvd. and then back
down to Target Greatland/Rainbow Foods area where it meets up with Route
90A(Yellow Line). Follows Co. Rd. 9 to Larch Lane north to Schmidt Lake across to
Nathan Lane down past the multi -family housing areas to Holiday Plus and down to
Four Seasons Mall where there is currently a park and ride facility. Then down
Lancaster and west on 36' past Armstrong High School down on Zachary past
Missions Inc. then down Medicine Ridge Road going east on 26* and south on Kilmer
along the Hwy. 169 frontage road and then jogs over on 13* to Nathan south to Hwy.
10. Then across to Hwy. 55 from there traveling southeast to Waterford Plaza and into
Waterford Plaza by the Rainbow Foods. Then crosses Hwy. 55 and heads south on
Nathan down to the movie theater and then goes south on Shelard and travels across the
north frontage road and then south past the Cty. Rd. 73 north and south park and ride
lots and then back to Ridgedale.
Passengers can get a transfer when they board that is good for three hours from the
time of boarding on either the Route 90A(YeUow Line) or Route 90B(Blue Line).
Transfers are provided for MCTO routes upon passenger request.
The initial fare for this mute is $1.00.
The key points that the schedule provides are that it connects with the MCTO Route 75
westbound at 12:50 at the Plymouth Road Transit Center and there are also Metrolink
shuttles that arrive at that point for demand drop service from the city of Minneapolis.
It also connects with the approximately 2:00 p.m. and 3:45 p.m. MCTO mutes for
afternoon work shifts into downtown Minneapolis.
IV. IDENTIFICATION OF AREAS OF CONCERN AND/OR
RECOMMENDATIONS
Herb Miller's Comments
• Miller received comments from riders that the 71D out of downtown at 4:35 p.m.
did not come by on the 9* of September. Barb Roberts was waiting on 9* and was
sure she saw the 71D. There was also the same problem on September 23 with the
71D. Hugh Hudson willlook into it and report back.
• A passenger expressed concern that on a recent morning the 6:35 a.m. shuttle that
meets a Route 74 at the transit center did not arrive. The passenger was not told by
the supervisor that it would not arrive until it was too late to catch another bus.
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• This is a complaint about that same mornings second run of the Route 91A shuttle.
There were only three seats available and he thought perhaps there was a new driver
taking the wrong mute.
• Miller also inquired about the schedules. Dave Johnson stated that he would get
them out to the drivers.
Joe Edward's Comments
• Edwards stated that the 93B has been running late for the several mornings. Dave
Johnson said that the driver has been verbally warned and has received written
warnings and basically given one more chance. The last time Edwards was aware
of it was approximately two weeks ago and there hasn't been a problem since.
• Passengers riding the 93B and 93C at the Four Seasons Mall are wondering if the
shuttles are going be able to stay there and wait for the next bus when the weather
gets cold. Dave Johnson stated that he would make sure that this would happen.
• In the past six weeks the drivers will match the time points in Plymouth and zip
down Hwy. 169 and Hwy. 394. Once they hit 12°i Street they will slow down to
pace themselves for the end of the schedule. What this is doing is causing about half
a dozen riders to miss connection routes. One person has said it is becoming a
problem because it is causing them to be late for work. Hugh Hudson will resolve
this problem as soon as possible. .
Barb Robert's Comments
• Roberts inquired about absence of a certain driver. She commented on his
kindness, politeness and that he was best driver they have ever had. She will get
his name and number so that something can be put in his file.
• There is a new 8:00 a.m. bus driver and Tuesday the 20 the bus did not show and
was early on Wednesday at the Amoco Station on Plymouth Boulevard causing
Roberts to miss the bus. Hugh Hudson stated that Bruce was pulled off Metrolink
the last couple mornings for a special project and will be back to make sure the
drivers are doing it properly.
• Commented that it appeared someone was trying to sell marijuana on the 91C.
• Roberts inquired about the policy regarding a rider who refuses to pay the fare.
Hudson said they should not ride if they don't pay the fare.
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• Roberts felt that more people are needed for the transit committee and asked how
we could recruit new members. Sweeney said that something could be put in the
newsletter, cable TV and perhaps a special notice on the buses.
V. DIAI<A RIDE SUMMER MARKETING PROGRAM
John Sweeney's Comments
• Sweeney stated that he felt the summer marketing program has been a success
because the numbers for August indicate that ridership was way up. The report is
not complete because they have not received the August figures from MCTO yet.
VI. TRANSIT SUMMIT MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 11, 1996
George Bentley's Comments
• There have been two meetings with the transportation providers in Plymouth
including the non -profits and also people from National and Metro Mobility.
Unfortunately, the representative from MCTO could not make the last meeting.
Both meetings have been very good and Bentley felt that they have hit, upon
something very positive in the community. It is extremely important to start
identifying unmet needs, particularly with seniors in the community and people that
cannot otherwise get around. His hope is that the circulator will help meet some of
those needs. The people from the non profits are very excited about the circulator.
• The next meeting has not been scheduled but will probably be later in October.
1 Well V;ISI' I ulkil��Mh.
John Sweeney's Comments
• John Sweeney informed the group of the upcoming Job Fair to be held in the spring
of 1997. Since the Radisson Hotel has volunteered their facilities for this event
they will be setting the date at a later time. The steering committee meets on a
monthly basis and are now working on the nature of the businesses that they are
trying to target such as manufacturing, electronics, assembly, service industry,
hotels and those with entry level positions providing benefits.
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Gingerich asked for an explanation of the transit summit. Bentley explained that
concern had been expressed by one of the larger non-profit providers of transportation
in Plymouth about inability of Plymouth Metrolink to meet some of the needs that
needed to be met. The Northwest Hennepin Human Resources Council started holding
a consolidation of resources process and this sort of fit into that in the sense that maybe
not so much a consolidation but a coordination of resources. The non-profit
organizations do not have the resources to do what needs to be done in terms of
transportation. Perhaps there is something Plymouth Metrolink can do that fits within
the framework of public transportation that will help them free up some of their
resources to do some of the other things that aren't being met.
Some time next year Plymouth will be getting a new 5310 Grant vehicle that can be
used to alleviate some of these concerns. Although there are many strings attached to
this grant vehicle, this group will help us figure out the best use for the vehicle.
Elder Express is going to get out of the transportation business sometime next year and
the question is who's going to fill the void. There really isn't anybody around who is
available to do that at the present time.
Joe Edwards thanked Hugh Hudson and Steve Jaeger for being with the group for the
last couple of years helping to resolve a number of our problems and getting us to the
quality of service that we are at.
Next meeting will be held on October 23, 1996 at 7:00 p.m. in the Engineering
Conference Room (Hadley Lake Room) on the lower level of Plymouth City Hall.
Respectfully,
Patty Hillstrom
Committee Secretary
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For decades, traffic engineers have worked to make neighborhood streets more efficient. Now, to slow
down cars and restore neighborhood quality, they're working to make some streets less efficient.
BY DOUG LEMOV
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eadowbrook Avenue,
which runs east -west
between 12th and 16th
streets near downtown
Phoenix, is the site of one of
the city's most successful recent road -
improvement projects. A popular short-
cut for commuters, it had inadequate
curbing and was too narrow to carry the
more than 1,500 vehicles that used it
daily.
Rather than widening, striping and re-
paving the street, however, the city
brought Meadowbrook up to speed by
slowing it down. After discussing the
options with residents, Phoenix s Neigh-
borhood Traffic Management
installed a "diagonal diverter" a
ner of Meadowbrook
and 14th Place. The
diverter connects the
curbs on the southwest
and northeast comers of
the intersection with a
barrier that restricts pas-
sage from one side to
the other and results in
two reflecting 90-d�
turns. Effectively, it
shuts down the street to
commuter traffic.
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That may have annoyed commuters,
but the neighborhood is delighted.
Before the diverter was put in, recalls
Herb Kanter, president of the Meadow-
brook
eadowbrook Neighborhood Association,
motorists roared down the unlined street
at twice the posted speed limit of 25
miles per hour. Parents were reluctant to
allow their children to walk to neighbor-
hood schools. Soon after it was installed
last year, the diverter had decreased the
daily number of vehicles using Meadow-
brook
eadowbrook by 63 percent on the east side of
the diverter and by 87 percent on the
west side.
The solution cost the city next to noth-
ing—some meetings with residents, a
temporary barrier, a few days of testing—
especially compared with the cost of
repaving or widening. And since the city
does not pay for permanent neighbor-
hood traffic fixtures, the price tag for the
structure that will replace the temporary
barrier—$15,000 to $20,000, including
the cost of the permanent barrier's
desert -style landscaping—will be bome
by Meadowbrook residents. Kanter says
the community is applying for a commu-
nity block grant to fund the project.
If traffic problems like Meadowbrook's
are old news, the solution reflects a new
brand of thinking, known generally as
Traffic calming in theory and in
practice: a two-lane angled slow
point (a variation on the choker),
as designed and in use in a
Florida neighborhood..'
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"traffic calming," that is gaining influence
among traffic engineers and urban plan-
ners. Increasingly, traffic problems are
being eased by making some roadways
less efficient, especially for commuter
traffic. In a sense, traffic calming reverses
decades of work toward maximizing the
speed and efficiency of urban and subur-
ban roadways.
While it may seem to some like a sys-
tematic program for messing up perfectly
good streets, urban planners increasingly
see traffic calming as a long-term way to
redirect traffic to more efficient thor-
oughfares and, in the bargain, restore a
bit of neighborhood quality to residential
areas that have become high-speed com-
muter speedways.
In a larger sense, interest in traffic
calming comes in the wake of the realiza-
tion that building ones way out of traffic
problems can be an unreachable goal.
"For years, we genuinely believed that if
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we built adequate roadway space, it
would alleviate our congestion problems,"
says Cynthia Hoyle, a consultant for the
American Planning Association. "We built
roads 20 years ago with the promise that
they would keep tragic running smoothly
into the next century, but they were filled
to rapacity within a few years."
With more roads encouraging more
traffic, says Hoyle, and studies showing
that higher speeds do not always mean
greater carrying capacity, planners
began to focus on building roads that
encouraged sustainable use and appro-
priate driver behavior. "Liveable traffic"
is the term used by Walter Kulash, a
principal at an Orlando, Florida, plan-
ning firm whose projects have calmed
streets in Florida, California and
Minnesota.
There are a lot of ways to create
"liveable traffic," and not all of them
brook's diverter does. In fact, the dose -it -
down approach is a contentious one
among traffic calmers. Kulash suggests
that it's more efficient to keep most roads
open, with the caveat that "they can drive
the way we want in neighborhoods or
take
� the bigger roads. It's behavior we re
after."
Changing driver behavior "means
changing perceptions of space," says
David Sucher, a Seattle urban planning
expert. "People respond to design, even if
they're not aware of what they're doing."
Engineers who built residential streets
long, wide and smooth in the interest of
safety and then posted speed limits of 25
mph were sending mixed messages to
ivers. Even cautious drivers "read"
ch streets and think highway, says
Sucher. "If a road is originally designed
for 45 miles per hour and marked for
30, people pick up on the contradic-
tion and they drive 45." Traffic
calmers, by contrast, try to encourage
slow driving with an environmental
approach.
To create that environment, tragic
engineers have come up with a vari-
ety of tools. They include relatively
w devices, with such names as the
hokee and the "curb -bulb"; variations
more familiar ideas, such as speed
umps" (redesigned and subtler ver -
ms of the speed bumps that have rat-
ued tail pipes in shopping -center parking
lots for decades); and even banks of well-
placed trees.
Retrofitting existing roads to calm traf-
fic most often involves changing the dn-
vees path from the straight, and fastest,
line between points. Methods of vehicle
control are divided into vertical and hori-
zontal categories. Vertical devices include
speed tables (raised crosswalks that cars
pass over comfortably at 25 mph but jar-
ringly at 35), speed humps (now designed
with a curvature gentle at slow speeds
but exponentially disruptive at higher
speeds), and a variety of naturalistic tech-
niques. A series of three or four hill
crests, ordinarily removed from a
roadbed during con-
struction, can be used to
slow traffic and soothe
drivers naturally, says
Kulash, breaking up
long sight lines that fos.
ter disengagement from
the roadway environ-
ment and diffuse sensa-
tions of speed. Simi-
larly, a change in
pavement texture, such
as bricking over a cross-
walk, can signal drivers to slow down in
anticipation of pedestrians.
Speed humps can be installed for as
little as $1,500 each and include little
maintenance cost other than periodic
repainting. In fact, says C. Edward Wal-
ter, chief of the traffic engineering divi-
sion in Howard County, Maryland, up to
30 percent of the cost associated with
installing speed humps comes from the
signs necessary to advise drivers of their
presence; once speed humps are on a
street and "signed," the additional cost of
more humps is lessened.
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The affordability of speed humps,
however, can lead to their over -use. To
be effective in reducing speed, says Wal-
ter, speed humps must be spaced regu-
larly on a roadway surface, and this, ironi-
cally, can work to make drivers more
aggressive. "We don't like to see more
than one or two at a time," says Kulash.
They have a hostile, aggressive connota-
tion for drivers," and an angry driver is
more likely to be a problem driver. For
that reason, says Kulash, many calmers
would rather employ horizontal
approaches, which offer more design flex-
ibility and subtlety.
A favorite horizontal technique for
Kulash is the "mid block diverter," which
adds a landscaped obstacle in the middle
of a residential street, forcing cars to
divert around it and signaling them to
slow. "It deflects a driver's course, breaks
up the long street view and creates pro-
tected on -street parking and public green
space," he says. What's more, the mid -
block diverter can most often be installed
without widening streets or rebuilding
drainage systems.
Diverters can be used at intersections
as well as mid -block, steering cars into
designated turning patterns—picture
small versions of the traffic circle—and
creating enough of a detour to force dri-
vers passing through the intersection to
slow down, in some cases just enough to
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allow municipalities to do away with net-
tlesome four -gray stop signs. That can
make streets more efficient even while
lowering speeds, and it can help cut back
on the excessive use of stop signs as
speed -control devices, a practice traffic
engineers frown on because it fosters
general disrespect for traffic signals and
leads some drivers to speed up between
signs to make up for lost time. Cities such
as Seattle and Portland, Oregon, have
made such mini -traffic circles mainstays
of their residential traffic systems, result-
ing not only in successful tragic manage-
ment but in a system of attractively
soaped neighborhood markers.
A horizontal design that Sucher
is the curb bulb, which benefits
and protects pedestrians while
slowing cars. The curb bulb
enlarges pedestrian waiting areas
at corners, pushing the sidewalk
further into the street, often to
the far edge of parking lanes. Not
only does it narrow the amount of
street pedestrians have to cross, it
also slows driver speeds at cro
intersections by reducing turnint
and preventing comer -cutting.
A version of the curb bulb can r
used mid -block, where its known
"pedestrian peninsula," and where it
often works in concert with a "slow
point" or "choker," an area where the
coed bed is narrowed (and often angled)
enough to force drivers to slow at pedes-
trian crossings. In some cases, a choker
will narrow the road bed enough to allow
only one car to pass. at a time, forcing
oncoming cars to yield While this may
seem like a recipe for head-on collisions,
calmers say the opposite is true. The sin-
gle -lane choker reduces accidents by
slowing drivers and forcing them to
acknowledge and interact with other
vehicles on the roadway. Such interac-
tions "demand eye contact from drivers,
and are personal and rarely hostile," says
Kulash `Its the kind of thing that's gone
on from time immemorial on neighbor-
hood streets where there's parking and
only one car can get by"
ven traffic calmem agree that, for it
to work in the long run, making the
slow slower has to be balanced by
malting the fast faster. "We want to make
lord roads slower and major roads more
efficient," says Michael Frisbie, a traffic
engineer for the city of Phoenix who runs
the Neighborhood Traffic Management
Program, "so we also look at commuter
botdenecks, left -turn phases, light timing.
They go hand in hand"
The problem is that not everyone
agrees on where to draw the line between
collector road and residential street. In
Montgomery County, Maryland, for
example, a traffic calming program has
installed more than 500 speed humps
since July 1994, many of them on roads
once frequented by commuters. The
county will consider taking action if test-
ing shows there to be more than 600 cars
per day on a given street; otherwise, says
Scott Wainwright, the program's director,
"it's just notjustified for the money."
Phoenix uses 1,000 vehicles per day as
a criteria, and if Meadowbrook Avenue
were in Montgomery County, its western
half (tested at 574 vehicles per day)
would still be nearly eligible for addi-
tional calming—moven after the diverter s
installation.
Some jurisdictions are more interested
in measuring speed of traffic than volume
of cars. Howard County relies heavily on
24 -•how mechanical speed counters: If 15
percent of the drivers are traveling at
more than 10 miles per hour over the
posted limit, the county will take action.
That is, if that's what the neighborhood
wants. "We go to the community and let
Even traffic
calmers agree that,
for it to work in
the long run,
making the slow
slower has to be
balanced by mak-
ing the fast faster.
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rte for or against it," says Walter.
iuire 60 percent approval of those
ually vote.-
Montgomery
ote "Montgomery County focuses
its community approval process
on specific problem areas. A
petition must be signed by two-
thirds of the houses on the
affected block (as opposed to"
the whole neighborhood, which
Howard County's procedure
considers), and then endorsed
ocal civic association.
Howard County, Phoenix polls
neighborhoods, and although gen-
consensus is usually not hard for
mities, the procedure sometiwes
....._ local anger to be localized to a few
vocal residents. Along Phoenix s Lakeside
Boulevard, forexample, a survey was dis-
tributed to 760 households in response to
the complaints of about 30 residents
proposing restrictions to the heavily trav-
eled thoroughfare. The, survey, Frisbie
says, revealed "huge opposition to dras-
tic restrictions on Lakeside. Speed
humps and enhanced police enforcement
were employed instead.
The choices available to the residents
along Lakeside Boulevard illustrate
traffic calming s flexibility—fiscal
and otherwise. " 1bere's a lot of bang for
the bucks," says Kulash. Since many
approaches to calming can be installed
cheaply, he adds, "you can proceed in
tiny increments, five thousand dollars at a
time."
That provides plenty of room for trial
and error. The Meadowbrook project, for
example, began with a temporary struc-
ture. If it had turned out to have been a
mistake, the city could have removed it
and cut its losses immediately. The big
thing is, you can experiment," says
Sucher. `Try one intersection and maybe
it'll work. It doesn't have to be a region -
wide policy. You can put one idea in and
see what happens."
One thing that happens, of course, is
that commuters lose some of their
favorite shortcuts. While that may ratchet
up their level of aggravation, it may even
offer something for them as well. Sucher
suggests that traffic calming provides
enough structure to automobile traffic to
allow it to continue to be a part of cities
without overrunning them. A lot of new
urbanists are antiwar," he says, "but that
scares ordinary citizens. Traffic calming is
a compromise that people can accept." M
Antastt116 GOVERNING 27
to 4 a
October 18, 1996
Robert Binish
2110 Xanthus Lane
Plymouth, MN 55447
CITY OF
PLYMOU?I-F
SUBJECT: PEONY LANE/19'H AVENUE SPEED HUMPS
Dear Mr. Binish:
The City has heard both positive and negative comments on the speed humps installed on 196
Avenue/Peony Lane approximately one month ago. Because of the traffic safety issues along this
city street which needed to be corrected, the speed humps were installed to decrease speeding traffic.
To correct some comments in my statements to your wife which may have been misunderstood, the
856 percentile speed of traffic before installation of the speed humps was 38 m.p.h. This is the
speed at which 85 percent of the drivers are traveling at or below. This measure is used by traffic
engineers as the effective speed of motorists on a road irregardless of what the posted speed limit is.
The average speed was 30 m.p.h. This is the speed taking into consideration all motorists measured
in the speed study. Since the posted speed limit on this road is 30 m.p.h., the 856 percentile speed
should be between 28 and 32 m.p.h. As can be seen, it far exceeds what would be expected as
reasonable for the street.
The main negative comments that the City has heard on the speed humps is the noise disturbance to
the adjacent properties. We have also received comments such as from yourself that they are an
inconvenience to the motorists using the street.
The City is open to suggestions on how to have motorists comply with the posted speed limit. The
City Council will again consider this matter at their Council meeting on November 6, 1996. The
meeting begins at 7:00 p.m. As of this time a staff report has not been prepared for the meeting but
will be available on Monday, November 4 for City Council's further consideration of this matter. I
would suggest that you attend the Council meeting and your comment can be made part of the
discussion.
If there are any further questions, please contact me.
Sincerely,.
Fred G. Moore, P.E. a'°7
Director of Public Works
cc: ✓Kathy Lueckert, Assistant City Manager C/R 96-44
PLYMOUTH A Beautifu[Place lro .Circ c`UMMERAUL INMM C
3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD • PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447-1482 • TELEPHONE ':512) 509-50G:
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Dear Madame,
I am writing to protest the installation of speed bumps at the entrance to Imperial Hills on Peony
Lane. The installation on a main thorofare which is the major entrance to the development seems
to be ridiculous, especially considering the manner in which it was done and the placement of the
offending bumps.
In the Brat place, they were installed somewhat secretly, that is, with almost no input from the
community except for a fortunate few who live in close proximity. Is it noteworthy that the
installation is close to the mayor's home?
Secondly, there seems to be dubious data used to determine the need My wife called and asked
the basis for the installation. She was told that "15% of the drivers were over 38mph and all were
over the speed limit" by Mr Fred Moore. When pressed, he checked the computer data, and
changed his story, that " half the drivers were over 30 mph" It seems that the data says what one
wants it to say, depending on how gullible the public is. If the average speed is 30, which is the
speed limit; then I question whether the need has been established, except in the minds of a few
people who want to unreasonably control. We have enough inane rules in this country now— we
don't need morel l
With the speed bumps, we now have sign pollution There are signs for a bike path, a 30 mph limit
sign, a roaming about the speed bump, a sign at the speed bump, two signs for pedestrian
crossings, inaddition to street signs, etc. Ibis can be highly distracting to someone coming into a
new neighborhood
Finally, I contend that these bumps are dangerous. The first one is within a block of the entrance
to the developmert, and noone will be up to the 30mph speed limit before he or she has to slow
down precipitously for the first bump, The second one is installed on a curve, and will have the
tendency to cause a skid in wet or slippery weather. This was poor judgement by the city council
in approving the installation without knowing more about the situation I believe the cound was
poorly advised by the staff who recommended the installation.
Please advise me what action I can take to correct this dangerous situation. Do you need petitions
fion residents? How many signatures? Please have someone get to me as soon as possible.
A�Rzdber4t
2110 Xanthus La
473-9556
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October 21, 1996 C'.y OF
PIYMOUTR
Henry Willegalle, President
Fast Parkers Lake Improvement Assoc.
1525 Juneau Lane
Plymouth, MN 55447
'Thank you for your letter of October 3 with regard to issues at Parkers Labe. Attached is a memo. from
Chief Gerdes to the Hennepin County Sheriff's Water Patrol requesting additional patrol at Parkers Lake.
In your letter you discussed trash along the shoreline, which you believe is left behind by fishermen. By
way of this memo, I will be requesting that the Park Maintenance Dept beef up their patrol along the
shoreline to assure that trash does not become a problem. If necessary, we will consider signage to inform
the anglers of our desire to keep the lake shore clean. Drinking in the park is prohibited at all times, and if a
violation is spotted, a call to 911 would be appropriate.
I also discussed with Chief Gerdes the problem of surface water violations. If residents observe what they
believe to be surface water violations, they should call 911 and ask for an officer to come to the lake and
talk to the boater in. question. Please identify the specific boat and the observed violation when you make
the call. Based on time availability, an officer will respond to this situation. They will attempt to engage the
person involved in the alleged violation in an effort to rectify the situation.
Your final observation had to do with the parking lot. The parking lot is sized to meet the DNR regulations
with regard to public access on a lake. The City is committed to continuing to maintain a safe and well
managed public access on Parkers Lake. If the East Parkers Lake Improvement Association wishes to
engage the DNR in a discussion with regard to trailers carrying multiple boats, our staff would be happy to
participate in such discussions.
Henry, thank you and the rest of the Association for your time and interest in keeping Parkers Lake a fun
and safe place for all the residents of Plymouth.
Sincerely,
ate
Eric J. Blank, Director
Parks and Recreation
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c City, Council,
PRAC
Director of Public Safety
Mark Peterson
We Listen • We Solve • We Care
3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD • PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447 • TELEPHONE (612) 550-5000
October 3, 1996
Dwight Johnson -
City Manager
Craig Gerdes
Public Safety Director
EAST PARKERS LAKE
IMPROVEIIIENTASSOCIATION
Eric Blank
Director, Parks and Recreation
Re: Parkers Lake Enforcement
City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Blvd.
Plymouth, MN 55447
The Board of the East Parkers Lake Improvement Association would like the City to
address some of the problems that are occurring with the increased use of Parkers Lake
Park and the lake.
Our broad concern is that the city has been extremely successful in its effort to attract
people to the area. However, it seems that enforcement has not kept pace with the
increase in use.
For example, we've seen day time alcohol consumption by the people fishing on the
shoreline: Unfortunately, this type of problem can only be spotted by shoreline or on -the -
water patrols. Persons fishing on -the shoreline also tend to add a large amount of
unsightly trash behind. It would be nice if, in exchange for the privilege of fishing from
anywhere around the lake, there was some way to require responsibility. Perhaps fishing
organizations would be interested in regular clean-ups. If they're not interested, one
option might be to restrict fishing to designated areas with easily accessible trash
containers. Incidentally, it seems very likely that many of those causing the problems are
not Plymouth residents, making it difficult to remedy the problem by local educational
efforts.
Another problem area is water surface use violations. Water-ski spotter violations and
violations of the 100 -foot slow, no wake law are regular occurrences. Plymouth may need
to explore enforcement options. Some of these could include: getting a boat for regular
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patrol, or working with Hennepin County Water Patrol to increase patrol of the lake at
peak times. Sometimes it seems that although we pay Hennepin County taxes, we do not
get a proportionate share of the water patrol services.
Overcrowding represents another area of concern. The DNR authorized the five parking
stalls for safety reasons. At a minimum the city needs to enforce the five trailer limit total
parking in any of the park lots. Perhaps the City and the East Parkers Lake Improvement
Association could work with the DNR to review the five -stall policy, as that was set
before so many watercraft came two to a trailer or could be hauled without a trailer.
While enforcement of these existing regulations is difficult at times, there may also be a
need for additional limits. The speeds that can be observed many times appear to be
excessive. A specific limit on a small lake like Parkers would make sense. The
enforcement difficulties along with the over -crowding and lack of speed limits are a
dangerous combination.
Hopefully, we can work together to improve these conditions.
Sincerely,
1
East ParkersLake Improvement Association Board:
Henry Willegalle, President
Jim Helseth, Vice-president
Marsha Videen, Secretary -Treasurer
Jim Howard, Member -at -Large
George Waldow, Member -at -Large
October 21, 1996
Tracie Wollman
17705 24th Avenue N
Plymouth, MN 55447
Dear Ms. Wollman:
fib
CIN OF
PLYMOU'fl-F
1-0jico
I apologize for the delay in responding to your letter dated August 15, with regard to the Life
Tune Fitness pool. In our discussions with the Life Time Fitness Corporation, we did talk about
the access to the pool by various age groups, and it was determined that the age limit of three
years was appropriate. This is the corporate policy of Life Time Fitness, and we, upon review,
concur with this. If a young child has an accident in the pool, the time and effort it takes to
completely drain that pool, which is what is required, is quite time consuming and expensive. To
drain a pool of this size, refill it and reheat the water, would be an extraordinary burden on any.
organization. Also, the rest of the citizens of the community would not be able to enjoy the pool
during the time it would take to bring it back to normal. This is, of course, a private pool, for
which the City has no operating responsibility. However, if it was a public pool, I would venture
to say that the same policy would be in place if the City owned and operated the facility.
I will be sending a copy of your letter and my response to the President of Life Time Fitness, so
he is aware of your concern.
Thank you for taking the time to express your feelings in writing. If I may be of further assistance
to you, I can be reached at 509-5201.
Sincerely,
Eric J. Blank, Director
Parks and Recreation
EB/np
cc: City Manager
Bahram Akradi, Life Time Fitness
Bob West, Life Time Fitness
We Listen - We Solve - We Care
3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD - PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447 - TELEPHONE (612) 550-5000
TRACIE WOLLMAN
17705 24th AVENUE NORTH
PLYMOUTH, MN 55447 10
612-476-2711
August 15,1996
Eric Blank; Director of Parkes and Recreation
G:r,-:,: Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, MN 55447
Dear Eric,
I am writing to you regarding a policy of the Lifetime Fitness Center. The policy at issue is their exclusion of
dull ren under 3 years old from the pool facilities.
It was not until I read this in our Plymouth Update that I knew ofthis policy. Had I known of this policy, I most
surely would have voted differently. I see no justification for this policy for reasons of "health concens". I have
never heard of any health threat specifically related to the age of the swimmer. True, babies and toddlers do not have
control of their bodily functions, but I know of at least two incidents where an older child has defecated in a pool.
The only difference was that these children were not wearing diapers. I doubt it stops there either. Surely,
everyone has known a child who would not stop what they're doing to go to the bathroom. Why would a public
r col be any different?
Further, it would seem to me that the chemical treatments used to "keep us safe from biological pathogens" (which
would include various communicable dieases as well as AIDS) might themselves be harmful to me. So we strive for
halance.
I would lice to make the point that there is no shortage of babies being born in this suburb. Why I have to stand in
line at 6:00 AM just to get into an Early Childhood Family Education class! Why, in a city such as Plymouth where
families are such a big part of the population, are you excluding a substantial number of users from this long overdue
farW,Where are the substantiated facts that point to a "health threat" above and beyond the "health threat" to the
babies and toddles from the older swimmers?
I would appreciate your response to these questions, as I find this policy unwarranted as well as unrealistic.
Srint
Trade Wolhmen
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Objection Memo
Data 10/19/95
Ta Mayor Joy Tierney & Council Members
Rata Glenn Flekke & Patti Ullibridge
3495 Pilgrim Lane
RL Road improvement assessment and meeting of 10116196
We are writing to express our concern regarding the assessment on our property. We understand that
the assessment will amass $222,000 more than actual costs incurred to complete this project. We do
not mind paying for the improvements, however, we do not like paying towards a kitty that will be used
for some unknown project or pocket.
Please re -assess the profess by which this dollar amount is determined. We understand that the
Engineering estimate was much closer to the actual costs. Perhaps this is a way to be more equitable
in determining assessments.
Finally, we are dismayed by the way the final speaker to this issue was treated. We are only citizens
who want to be taxed fairly...
Internet Contact 4
To: patrick mckee
Subject: RE: Mission Hills Neighborhood Park
Mr. McKee
Thanks for visiting the City of Plymouth Web site. 1 have forwarded your e-mail with your concerns about soccer
at Mission Hills Park to Park and Recreation Director Eric Blank. He will be getting back to you with more
information.
If you have not heard from Eric or someone from the Park and Recreation staff by Nov. 5, please let me know
either via e-mail or by calling me at 509-5090.
Thank you for sharing your concern with us.
Helen LaFave
Communications Coordinator
From: Patrick mckee[sMTP:skywayoskypoiat.comi
Sme Saturday, October 19, 1996 5:45 PM
To: contact
Subject: Mission Wills Neighborhood Park
Hello,
I hope you can help me with some information. I am
a resident in Mission Hills with property that backs
up to the Mission Hills Park off of Zachary Lane. My
concern is that this park has always been a neighborhood
park and just this past summer it began being used as
a playfield for several soccer leagues and goal post
were erected and some bench seating was installed.
I know that there are many soccer fields available for
use and I can not figure out why this has occurred.
My concern arises from the fad that none of the residents
whose property adjoins the park were notified of this new use
and the noise and the interruption are a little annoying.
I understand that soccer programs for children are very important,
however, I am concerned that this beautiful small park may
become just another scarred and abused playfield and directly
impact the quality of life that we were enjoying prior to
the decision to provide the park to whichever league is
currently being granted rights to play there.
I would like to know who I can contact and whether or not this
actually Is going to be a new use for the park. If the park is
going to be re-classified, I would like to know the time and place
of any meetings that I can attend in order to put forth a petition
to prevent this small park from being used in a manner
that interferes with the residents continued enjoyment of this once
quiet and peaceful small park where neighborhood children could play a
little game of baseball, or enjoy the playground without the loud,
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cheering fans of pre -teen soccer screaming at the top of their lungs.
I know 1 may have painted a vivid picture, however, I am merely
concerned for preserving the quality of life we have enjoyed here
In Mission Hills.
Thank You for your help in this matter.
Patrick James McKee
3955 Arrowood Lane
Plymouth
ph. 577-0109 (home)
339-0313 ext. 341 (work)
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October 18, 1996
Plymouth Charter Commission
c% Virgil Schneider, Chair
Dear Commission Members:
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The Plymouth City Council has taken action to request your assistance with establishing
staggered terms for the City's Charter Commission members. As you know, the terms
of the Charter Commission members are not currently staggered due to an unusual
circumstance in Plymouth not contemplated by existing statutes.
Research by staff and the City Attorney shows that Plymouth originally had a charter
commission appointed in 1968. It met for several years and then became inactive. The
original commission was appointed to staggered terms by the District Judge as provided
by law ( Minnesota Statutes 410.05, Subdivision 2). The original charter commission
was never officially abolished. In 1991, the Charter Commission was reactivated with
new appointments. Because the'
pointments in 1991 were not "initial" appointments,
the all-new commission in 1991 was appointed to four year terms. Commissioners
were then reappointed in 1995. With no change in law, no charter commission
members terms will expire in 1997. Except for three members appointed to fill
unexpired terms, the members of the charter commission will all depart in 1999 since
there is a two term limit in the statutes.
The clear intention of the statutes is that charter commissions should be created with
and maintain staggered terms. In Plymouth's unusual else, the clear intention was not
achieved. The City Council asks for your help in considering methods that would
restore staggered terms to the Charter Commission. The City Attorney has identified
special legislation as one possible way to accomplish this. It may also be possible for
the Charter Commission to request an order from the Chief Judge to remedy the .
situation. The Charter Commission may be able to devise other solutions. City staff
and the City Attorney will be happy to work with you to consider the options.
Thank you for your consideration of the City Council's request.
Sincerely, ,�
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Dwigh D. Jo n
City Manager
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3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD • PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447-1482 • TELEPHONE (612) 509-5000
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Representative Ron Abrams
Representative Peggy Leppik
Representative Richard Stanek
Representative Todd Van Dellen
Senator Gen Olson
Senator Martha Robertson
Senator Warren Zimmer
Dear Plymouth legislators:
The Plymouth City Council has asked that you be informed about a possible need for
your assistance with special legislation relating to creating staggered terms for the City's
Charter Commission members. The terms of the Charter Commission members are not
currently staggered due to an unusual circumstance in Plymouth not contemplated by
existing statutes.
Plymouth originally had a charter commission appointed in 1968. It met for several
years and then became inactive. The original commission was appointed to staggered
terms by the District Judge as provided by law ( Minnesota Statutes 410.05, Subdivision
2). The original charter commission was never officially abolished. In 1991, the
Charter Commission was reactivated with new appointments. Because the appointments
in 1991 were not "initial" appointments, the all-new commission in 1991 was appointed
to four year terms. All commissioners were then reappointed in 1995. With no change
in law, no charter commission members terms will expire in 1997. acept for three
members appointed to fill unexpired terms, the charter commission members will all
depart in 1999 since there is a two term limit in the statutes.
The clear intention of the statutes is that charter commissions should be created with and
maintain staggered terms. In Plymouth's unusual case, the clear intention was not
achieved. The City Council is seeking to work with the Charter Commission to remedy
the situation. The Chief Judge of the Hennepin County District Court maybe able to
restore staggered terms in cooperation with the Charter Commission. However, it is not
legally certain that the Chief Judge can do this. At this point, we simply want to inform
you of this issue and the eventual possible need for legislation that would restore
staggered terms to the Charter Commission. We will keep you informed in the coming
weeks before the session begins. If you have any questions, please call me at 550-5051.
PLYMOUTH ABeautifulPfau?o Live
3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD • PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447-1482 • TELEPHONE (612) 509-5000
Thank you for your consideration and attention.
Sincerely,
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Dwight D. Johnson
City Manager
BOARD OF
October 16, 1996
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Joy Tierney
Mayor 8
City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, 55447
Dear Ma ey:
Last January, nnepin County Commissioners held several meetings with suburban officials to hear
about the needs and challenges that municipalities face in addressing affordable housing and
maintaining quality communities. Municipal representatives suggested a number of ways the county
could assist communities in these efforts. Foremost among these was the needed for greater technical
and financial assistance for the rehabilitation of aging housing stock (both rental and ownership).
Following these meetings, and based�on the municipal input they provided, the County Board and
Hennepin County Housing and Redevelopment Authority (HCHRA) Board adopted housing policies
designed to complement and support city housing activities and achieve greater results.
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The purpose of this letter is to provide you with a brief update on the progress Hennepin County has
made in implementing these policies.
Establishment of Rental Rehabilitation Program:
In April, the county board allocated $350,000 in HOME funds to establish a rental rehabilitation loan
program. Maximum loans are $150,000, having a ten-year term and bearing simple interest. The loan
funds may fund up to 80 percent of the rehabilitation costs. Properties must be affordable and owners
may not refuse to lease to individuals receiving tenant assistance. It's already become apparent that
funding will be exhausted quickly. County staff is working with the Minnesota Housing Finance
Agency (MHFA) to leverage county HOME funds with state funding to the greatest extent possible.
Additional Resources for the Rehabilitation of Single -Family Homes:
This morning, the Hennepin County Board provided the necessary funding to enable the Hennepin
County HRA to expand single-family rehabilitation programs available to homeowners in suburban
Hennepin County. This action will significantly add to the existing $1 million allocated annually to
single-family rehabilitation loan programs in suburban Hennepin County. It will also allow
communities to access state rehabilitation funds for targeted neighborhoods.
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Potential for Expanding Home Ownership Opportunities:
In recognition of the importance of Home ownership for maintaining viable communities, the HRA
will be working with municipalities to expand the amount of mortgage funds utilized by first-time
home buyers in suburban Hennepin County. The HRA is pursuing an application for the MITA
Minnesota Mortgage Program to enable us to utilize all state mortgage assistance funds that are
available to Hennepin County residents but not fully utilized at the present time. Communities would
have the option of applying individually or be part of the HRA application. We hope that we'll able to
announce later this year the significant expansion of first-time home buyer assistance and its
accessibility to all suburban residents.
Members of the Hennepin County and HRA Boards are pleased with these accomplishments. They
have strengthened our relationships with suburban communities and promise to help us achieve '
important, mutual housing objectives. In this and many other ways we are putting our communities
fust.
We look forward to continuing to work with you in implementing these programs and developing
additional innovative approaches for addressing critical housing and community development needs.
Sincerely,
Peter McLaughlin
Chair, Hennepin County Board of Commissioners
Sandra Hilary
Chair, Hennepin County Housing and, Redevelopment Authority
cc: City Manager/Administrator
Thomas J. Campbell
Roger N. Knutson
Thomas M. Scott
Gary G. Fuchs
James R. Walston
Elliott B. Knetsch
Suesan Lea Pace
CAMPBELL, KNUTSON, SCOTT & FUCHS, P.A.
Attorneys at Law
(612) 452-5000
Fax (612) 452-5550
,2, 1996
Andrea McDowell Poehler
Matthew K. Brokl*
John F. Kelly
Marguerite M. McCarron
George T. Stephenson
*Alai licensed in Wisamsin
Mr. Dale Hahn
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Finance Director
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City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Blvd.
Plymouth, MN 55447-1482
Re:
AETNA We Insurance Company v.
City of Plymouth
Tax Court Nos. 20062 (93), 21114 (94), 23119 (95), 23791 (95)
Dear Mr. Hahn:
The State Supreme Court has denied Aetna's request to reconsider its previous
Order dismissing Aetna's appeal. The matter is finally and officially concluded.
If you have any questions, please call.
Best regards,
CAMPBELL, KNUTSON, SCOTT
& FUCHS' P.A.
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Thomas M. Scott
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cc: Nancy Bye, Assessor
Dwight Johnson, City Manager
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October 21, 1996
Dear City of Plymouth,
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It's my strong conviction that if one whines, one should equally thank.
So here's a big thank you for responding so quickly to my request that the
unwanted porta-potty be moved from across the street from our house.
God bless you for your prompt action.
We are excited about our street and the W.MedLake Park coming to
closure. Glen and I believe that you've worked very hard to keep us the
park neighbors happy, while at the same time, addressing the larger issues
of the city's needs.
Sincerely, ✓��' ' ,
Glen & Dorothy Hansen & family t
P.S. We're still waiting to hear from the appraiser I mentioned in my last
letter. Our out-of-town guests had a wonderful time. They really thought
it was beautiful here. Thanks for ordering up that great Oct. weather, too.
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