HomeMy WebLinkAboutPark and Recreation Advisory Commission Packet 05-09-2002Regular Meeting of the Park and Recreation Advisory Commission
May 9, 2002, 7 p.m.
AGENDA
1. Call to Order
2. Approval of Minutes
3. Visitor Presentations
a. Athletic Associations
b. Staff -Diane Evans
c. Others
4. Report on Past Council Action
a.
b.
5. Unfinished Business
a. Millennium Garden update
b. Hilde Performance Center update
c. Greenwood youth sports update
d. Skate park update
e. Mud Lake park update
f. Plymouth Creek Center basement finishing update
6. New Business
a. Talk about summer park tour
b.
7. Commission Presentation
8. Staff Communication
9. Adjourn
Next regular meeting - June 13, 2002
Minutes of the Park and Recreation Advisory Commission Meeting
April 11, 2002
Page 13
Present: Chair Anderson, Commissioners Rezabek, Singer, Musliner, Krahulec, and Fiemann;
staff Blank and Pederson; Planning Commissioner Neset
Commissioners took a moment to introduce themselves to the new member Richard
Krahulec. Krahulec stated that he has lived in Plymouth near Bass Lake Playfield for
three years and has a 16 year old daughter. He served on the Golden Valley Park
Board for 12 years prior to moving to Plymouth.
Absent: Commissioner Meyer
1. CALL TO ORDER
Chair Anderson called the April meeting to order at 7:05 p.m.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Singer moved and Rezabek seconded a motion to approve the March minutes. The motion
carried with all ayes.
3. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS
a. Athletic Associations. None were present.
b. Staff. Director Blank discussed a number of handouts that had been distributed to
commissioners. In the teen newsletter, he pointed out the special music event scheduled
at Parkers Lake on July 11 and the Youth Town Forum on May 13 at the Plymouth Creek
Center. Our Volunteer Coordinator is looking for people to help out during the History
Fest. We need tour guides that take school children from station to station during the
Education Days portion. Beginning Friday evening is the Primavera Fine Art Show.
There are 122 pieces of art work this year compared to 78 last year. Blank discussed
some statistics for summer recreation registration, which began on Tuesday, April 9,
beginning at 12:01 a.m. Within the first 24 hours of registration, we took in $104,000.
Sixty—six percent of the registrations were being done electronically, either using TTR or
registering on—line. Last weekend was the Yard and Garden Expo, which also saw an
increase this year in exhibitors.
c. Others. See item 6a.
4. PAST COUNCIL ACTION
The City Council awarded the bid for the Heritage park playground; we will start landscaping
some of the Plymouth Boulevard medians. Eight medians need to be done, we'll get two
done this year. We are purchasing new artificial turf for the fieldhouse. It was guaranteed for
five years, but blemishes started to appear after two years. The turf is useable, but there are
still some cosmetic flaws. We've reached a compromise with the company. We'll get a new
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field for $90,000, guaranteed for eight years, and they will remove the old turf and give it to
us to use at an outdoor location to be determined by us. This will be scheduled for the first
week of September. The Mud Lake neighborhood park plan was presented at the Council
meeting. The Council approved the master plan and a budget increase to $400,000. The
biggest unknown is the cost of the floating boardwalk. The main picnic shelter will be larger,
and a basketball court has been added. We have over $800,000 in the neighborhood park
account. We'll take in money over the next five years in park dedication, so all future
neighborhood park projects will be able to go forward. We expect to be under construction
by July, with most of the project completed by September. By mid-June we may begin
draining the lake. Singer asked if the lake had been renamed. Blank stated that a public
hearing was held last Tuesday and that there was no opposition. It is likely the name will be
changed to Lake Camelot. By the May or June meeting PRAC may be able to name the park.
Blank said the Council is having a joint meeting with the Hennepin County Board. They will
discuss County Road 47 at that meeting.
5. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
a. Northwest Greenway update. All commissioners have the final documents now. We have
maps available in the office. Blank will send a letter to everyone around the Greenway
informing them that the master plan has been adopted.
b. Millennium Garden update. The contractors will be back in there soon. We are looking at
an August grand opening.
c. Hilde Performance center update. Everything is on schedule at this time.
d. Greenwood youth sports update. We expect to be playing baseball there on June 1.
e. Skate park update. We have a meeting scheduled for next week with all the kids involved
with this project. We will be talking with them about the option of allowing bikes on the
course as well as grand opening and ribbon cutting plans. Sports Hut wants to donate
prizes, etc. We have money to buy one more skate ramp. We may build another skate
park in the future. Blank says he has seen children as young as five or six years old using
the facility.
6. NEW BUSINESS
a. Review proposal from Medicine Lake Sailing Club. Director Blank introduced the topic
of the Medicine Lake Sailing Club wishing to use the southerly 400 feet of shoreline
along East Medicine Lake Beach to install three docks for mooring their sailboats, plus
10 boat lifts. They would use the parking lot at Ryerson Steel on Saturdays and Sundays.
They originally looked north of Harty's for property, but no parking was available there.
Next they contacted Joe Harty about parking on his land, but he declined. Then they
came back to the City to discuss the possibility of using property south of East Beach.
They discussed parking and other issues. They also spoke to AMLAC, the Association of
Medicine Lake Area Citizens. AMLAC will discuss this item at their next meeting and
will make their thoughts available to PRAC prior to the May meeting. Blank discussed
his many concerns — is this a type of business we want to get into — should we compete
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with the private sector — do we want to enter into an exclusive use with Sailing Club, or
open it to the general public — should we charge rent for use of public park land and if so,
how much — how many boats should be allowed — how long should docks be — where
would we store docks and lifts in winter — should we limit use to residents or allow non-
residents use as well? Blank recommends taking no action this evening. We need to
formally notify the City of Medicine Lake and Mr. Harty. The general public needs to be
notified, too. We also need to consider AMLAC's thoughts on this.
Larry Leistiko from the Medicine Lake Sailing Club spoke. He stated that what they
really need is access to the lake. They've been in business since 1979. If they don't get
affordable docking, they cannot afford to continue. The boats they sail are very small.
The cost of mooring is significant and in some cases prohibitive for the type of boat they
sail. These boats are well suited to Medicine Lake, because they are non -keel boats. They
have a center board which comes up, allowing them to use shallow waters. There is no
other sailing club on the lake that promotes sailboat racing. They don't want exclusive
use of the lake, just three docks for access, which could be phased in over a few years.
They think the City charging rent is reasonable, perhaps based on a per boat charge. The
question of how many boats the lake can handle is an interesting one. Sailboats are
completely different from fishing boats, skiing boats, etc. They think their use of the
water's surface is complimentary to the other uses. Two hundred feet of dock would be
desirable, because they think there are other docks at least that long on the lake. The
Sailing Club agrees that off season storage is an issue. Their members are from Plymouth
and other cities. Fiemann asked how the City of Minneapolis does their docks? Leistiko
said the City provides the docks, the buoys, and motorized power craft and rowboats.
Singer asked about buoys. Leistiko said their boats don't lend themselves well to buoys.
Singer asked if they would consider a combination of buoys and docks. Walter Barniscus,
from New Hope, has been on the lake since 1978. He stated that Medicine Lake is full of
growth and this growth attaches to sailboats. Attaching boats to buoys makes them
vulnerable to this growth. Fiemann asked what the Sailing Club members pay for slips at
Harty's. Leistiko said a Flying Scott costs $800 or $850 a year. He said there would be
about five sailboats moored for now. They envision 18 boats per pier, eventually, which
comes to a total of 54, assuming three docks. Singer credited the Sailing Club with
solving their parking problem by parking at Ryerson's. Singer asked what about
bathrooms and trash disposal? A small portable facility would solve the bathroom issue,
and a single trash barrel would be sufficient, Leistiko said. Singer asked if they envision
hosting their own races? Leistiko said they start racing around Mother's Day through
Labor Day. In the past, they hosted the Midwest Flying Scott Districts. They hope if they
had a facility with docks that they could do this more often. Krahulec asked how many
members they had? Leistiko said 25 is the estimate for this year. Fiemann asked where
they keep their boats now. Leistiko said half of the members are Plymouth and Medicine
Lake residents, and they keep sailboats on their own property. That equates to 12-15
members with their boats on the lake moored at Harty's. Rezabek sees Harty's as a
monopoly, and he feels that $850 per year is a rather hefty fee for these boats. Rezabek
asked about the public launch. Blank said it's located at French Park. Rezabek says there
is a lot of work involved to launch these sailboats. On a Sunday afternoon it's almost
impossible to launch a boat at French Park, if you're not there by 9 a.m. Fiemann said he
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is worried about competition with the private sector. He wondered should the city own
the dock and lease it out, or should the Sailing Club own it and lease it out? The City of
Madison has an agreement similar to what the Sailing Club wants. They have a park with
a pier in it, the city owns it, allowing lessee to use it. They give Sailing Club access to the
lake. Lessee has to keep leased premises clean and in working order. Leistiko says they
cannot limit access to the pier. It's not realistic. Singer believes we need to hold a public
forum on this issue. Karl Shafer, a Medicine Lake resident and an ex—board member of
AMLAC, said there is a sailing school that operates on Medicine Lake called Blue
Waters Sailing School. Sailing activities are very non—invasive. He feels it would be a
good venue. Sabin Peterson, from Robbinsdale, is a member of the Sailing Club. He
came from the Madison, Wisconsin sailing club. They owned and maintained the docks
there, leasing them from the City of Madison. They paid $150 per year in rent. Land that
was leased to them was 12.5 feet square. Anderson questioned the size of the beach at
Madison. It's much larger than our East Beach. Blank said AMLAC is scheduled to meet
next week. Fiemann asked how long it would take to notify people. Blank said we'll put a
notice in the newspaper and on Cable TV. We will also notify AMLAC. It will be an
agenda item for our May meeting. The City Council meets May 28. Singer explained to
the Sailing Club that she's a volunteer on the Commission as is everyone else on PRAC.
Blank said there is no public hearing required and that we do not need a motion. Blank
said the closest property owners would be notified. This will spread word of mouth. Ron
Malone lives right along the south shoreline. He said there are 12 homes along there. He
is a member of AMLAC. He's very interested in the shoreline restoration that's going to
go on there. He thinks the use of that part of the lake for sailboats is ideal. He does not
have a problem with this proposal. He feels that the majority of the homeowners will
agree. They would prefer sailboats over powerboats and jet skis. He was asked how deep
the water is in the middle of the area where he moors his boat. He said about a foot.
Practically, you need about 2.5 feet of depth. This will be on the agenda for the next
PRAC meeting. The Sailing Club asked what they should do in preparation for the next
meeting. Anderson said they should plan to make a similar presentation at the May
meeting. Blank said he assured the President of AMLAC that the City would not take any
action until after AMLAC has their meeting. Blank will notify every member of AMLAC
if the President feels this is necessary.
Anderson asked what PRAC should prepare for at next month's meeting. Blank feels next
month's meeting may be more negative. He thinks AMLAC may be opposed. Joe Harty
will likely be at the meeting and could also be opposed. Singer's concern is the length of
the docks. In between Harty's docks and the proposed sailboat docks is the beach.
Rezabek says the stays make a clanging noise if the boats are not stored properly. Singer
says it does get crowded at the East Beach on weekends. Rezabek says you need a permit
to run big regattas. These would likely happen only on Lake Minnetonka. Musliner thinks
the issue of the public wanting to have their slip on the lake will definitely come up.
Harty's rates are similar to Wayzata Yacht Club rates. The wait to get a slip on Lake
Minnetonka is two years. Blank will get a good diagram of the shoreline for next month's
meeting. PRAC has the right to come up with a proposal different from the one presented
by the Sailing Club, Blank said. The winter ice fishing access to Medicine Lake is
through Harty's launch. We paved a five foot area there. Other than the ice fishing access
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at Harry's, there is no other relationship between Harty's and the City. Blank explained
that Harty's cannot grow or expand, because he is a non -conforming use. He can have
only so many slips and moorings. He is running a retail business in a residential zone. We
are a regulatory agency that monitors what he does.
7. COMMISSION PRESENTATION
There was no presentation.
8. STAFF COMMUNICATION
Prior to leaving on her vacation, Diane did some quick research on other cities tobacco use
policies in their parks. More information will be provided as it is gathered. One step is to post
signs prohibiting smoking within 50 feet of the playground, etc. Blank said this is a good
research project for us.
9. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 8:45 p.m.
DATE: May 6, 2002
TO: PRAC
FROM: Eric J. Blank, Director, Parks and Recreation
SUBJECT: Pork Chop Dinner
This is just a short note letting you know about the pork chop dinner at the Plymouth Creek
Center, Thursday, May 9, from 5-7 p.m. The cost is $7 for one chop, $9 for two. This is a
fundraiser for senior programs at the Plymouth Creek Center. Drop in prior to the Park
Commission meeting and have a bite to eat.
EB/np
2002 Calendar of Events - Parks and Recreation
Dates/Time Event/Coordinator Location Notes
May 8-9-10 &
11
History Fest Parkers Lake
May 9
5-7 pm
Pork Chop Dinner Plymouth Creek
Center
May 10-12 Ice Skating Show Ice Center
May 17 Dance Recital Armstrong High
School
May 17-19 Wings Soccer Tournament All Fields
May 24
6 pm
Wayzata High School Parkers Lake Stage
June 1 Beaches Open -
Unguarded
East/West Med &
Parkers Lake
June 7 Lifeguards Start Parkers/West Med
June 9
6:30-10 am
Walk at East Beach East Beach
June 11 Concert in the Park Parkers Lake
June 13 Summer Teen Volunteer
Training
Plymouth Creek
Center
June 14-16 WSC Tournament All Fields
June 18 Concert in the Park Parkers Lake
June 20 Water Ski Show Parkers Lake
June 25 Concert in the Park Parkers Lake
June 29 5K Fun Run Plymouth Creek Park Fundraiser for
Plymouth Civic League
June 30 Youth 3 x 3 BKB Tourney Elm Creek
July 2 Music in Plymouth/Eric Hilde Performance
Center
July 9 Concert in the Park Parkers Lake
July 11 Teen Music Event Parkers Lake
July 14 Concert in Amphitheater Hilde Perf. Center
July 16 Concert in the Park Parkers Lake
July 18 Water Ski Show Parkers Lake
July 23 Concert in the Park Parkers Lake
July 30 Concert in the
Park/Summer Carnival
Parkers Lake
Aug 2 Shakespeare in the Park Hilde Perf. Center
Aug 6 Concert in the Park Parkers Lake
Aug 13 Concert in the Park Parkers Lake
Aug 15 Pie Day Plymouth Creek
Center
Revised 05/06/02
2002 Calendar of Events - Parks and Recreation
Dates/Time Event/Coordinator Location Notes
Aug 15 Water Ski Show Parkers Lake
Aug 18 All Beaches Close
Aug 24-25 Co-Rec A/B & C State
Softball Tournament
Elm Creek
Sept 11 American Spirit Concert Hilde Perf. Center
Sept 14 Autumn Art Fair Parkers Lake
Oct 5 Plymouth on Parade Downtown Plymouth
Nov 7 Chocolate Sampler Plymouth Creek
Center
Dec 1 Old Fashioned Christmas Plymouth Creek Park
Dec 31 New Year's Eve Event Ice Arena/LifeTime
Fitness
Revised 05/06/02
Featuring Olde Fashioned Family Fun
Ongoing Voyager Encampment - Voyageur life, Native American culture,
bead making, birchbark canoes, blacksmith, cannon, finger weaving,
hawk throwing, life of a free trapper, log cabin trading post, Minnesota
settlers, Norwegian immigration, pottery, spinners, story tellers and
wood turner
Antique Car Show
Children's Games and Activities
Walton's Hollow Petting Zoo
Old Fashioned Farm Equipment
Olde Tyme Refreshments
Event will be held rain or shine - bring blankets and/or lawn chairs. For more information, call 763-509-5200.
FREE ADMISSION
Plymouth Historical Society Display
Plymouth Wood Carvers
10:00 a.m. Bob Gasch - Log Building Construction Methods
10:45 a.m. Ruben Fast Horse - Native American Culture
11:30 a.m. Backroads Junctions - Period Music
12:15 p.m. Cake Walk
12:45 p.m. The Plymouth Community Band
1:30 p.m. Bob Gasch - Log Building Construction Methods
2:00 p.m. Car Parade
2:30 p.m. Ruben Fast Horse - Native American Culture
3:15 p.m. Twin Cities Classics
3:45 p.m. Cake Walk
Event will be held rain or shine - bring blankets and/or lawn chairs. For more information, call 763-509-5200.
FREE ADMISSION
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Ace Billiards Dundee Nursery & Landscaping Hedberg Aggregates Precision Tune
Anchor Bank Forster's Herb's Servicenter, Inc. Roto Rooter
Associated Bank Foursome Family Clothing Holiday Stationstores Superior Ford
Begin Oaks Golf Course Franklin National Bank Luther Lincoln Mercury TCF Bank
Buhler, Inc Gearty-Dehnore Funeral Chapel Inc. Nilfisk-Advance, Inc. Von Hanson's Meats
Community Bank Plymouth Hamel Building Center Plymouth Framery Woody's Hardware
Cottonwood Plaza Hans Hagen Homes Plymouth Schwinn
Event will be held rain or shine - bring blankets and/or lawn chairs. For more information, call 763-509-5200.
FREE ADMISSION