HomeMy WebLinkAboutPark and Recreation Advisory Commission Packet 10-14-1999Regular Meeting of the Park and Recreation Advisory Commission
October 14, 1999, 7 p.m.
Note We will tourthe Plymouth Creek Center beginning at 6:15. Please
meet at the Plymouth Creek Center parking lot.
AGENDA
1. Call to Order
2. Approval of Minutes
3. Visitor Presentations
a. Athletic Associations
b. Staff
c. Others
4. Report on Past Council Action
a. Council took no action on the Ferndale North open space
b. Council approved budget for Elm Creek Playfield shelter
5. Unfinished Business
a. Comprehensive plan — bring material sent to you for the Sept. 29 City Council
meeting. We will be reviewing this material.
1. Open space
2. Trails
b. Plymouth Creek Center update
6. New Business
a. 2000-2005 CIP — begin review. This will be handed out at meeting.
b. Name for mini park at Vicksburg & 22nd Avenue.
c. Pick meeting date for November due to holiday on the 11th.
7. Commission Presentation
8. Staff Communication
9. Adjourn
Next regular meeting — November 7
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MINUTES OF THE PARK AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION MEETING
September 9, 1999
Page 43
Present: Chair Anderson, Commissioners Wahl, Priebe, Willegalle, Musliner, Thompson;
Fiemann; staff Bisek, Blank, Pederson; Councilmember Black; SRF staff
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Chair Anderson called the meeting to order at 7 p.m. in the Medicine Lake Room.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Commissioner Wahl moved to approve the minutes of the August meeting. Commissioner
Willegalle seconded. The motion carried with all ayes.
3. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS
a. Athletic Associations. None were present.
b. Staff. Mary Bisek distributed flyers on the arts fair and the parade. The art fair will be
back at Parkers Lake after being at the amphitheater last year. It is Saturday, September
18, 10-5 p.m. There are 100 units signed up so far for the parade, which is Saturday,
October 9. This year, there's a shorter parade route. Some of the paving is done at the
new activity center so this area may be used for lining up during the parade. All activities
are free. The parade will not be broadcast live, due to a fire that damaged equipment in
the broadcast truck. Fall soccer has started, with more teams registered than last year.
Fall swimming lessons will soon begin. We hired some additional staff, so more lessons
are being offered than originally anticipated. Mary announced that Cindy Anderson, our
aquatics coordinator, is expecting a baby and will be taking a leave of absence from
January through mid-April. Staff will start working on winter programs at the end of this
month.
c. Others. None.
4. REPORT ON PAST COUNCIL ACTION
The City Council endorsed PRAC's recommendation on the rental fees for the banquet
facilities at the Plymouth Creels Center. We're getting requests for weddings, receptions, etc.
We have sent out a request for proposal for catering services to several firms. The Council
will make the final decision on the caterer. Only one caterer will be hired, and they will hold
the liquor license. We will get 15% of the gross liquor sales and 10% on the net sales of the
food through the caterer. Having only one caterer means one set of china, glassware, utensils,
etc. This makes things much less confusing.
The Council authorized the City to go ahead on upgrading the dehumidification system at the
Ice Center. Currently we have a mold and mildew problem there and by improving the
dehumidification system, this will be resolved. It will take about six months to design and
build this new system.
PRAC Minutes/September 1999
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The Planning Commission held their meeting on the Ferndale North issue September 8.
Seven citizens spoke. After deliberating, a motion was made to not hold a public hearing,
which ended in a tie vote of 3-3. Another motion was made to hold a public hearing, which
also ended in a 3-3 tie. Then, after more discussion, they moved to send it to the City
Council asking them for direction. It will be on the Council agenda September 21. The city
attorney reaffirmed that the City can do whatever it wants with this property. We are not
bound by the contract from 20 years ago between Lundgren Bros. and the City.
Regarding the use of police personnel at the banquet hall, Chief Gerdes still wants two
officers to be present when liquor is served. Director Blank said we will have to go with the
Chief's recommendation.
5. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
a. Comprehensive Plan study session. There are seven park types within the City of
Plymouth: city parks, community playfields, neighborhood parks, mini parks, school
parks, special use parks and school recreational facilities. Commissioner Musliner asked
for some explanation of primary users. Is this who is anticipated to use the facility, or is
this based on current users? Adam said the general ages reflect who the park is geared to
serve and includes present as well as potential users. Director Blank clarified that
Plymouth Creek Park is also a neighborhood park, as well as a city park and a community
playfield. Commissioner Priebe asked about the elderly park user. How are they using
it? Walking, said Director Blank. There was a lot of discussion that followed among the
commissioners and staff regarding the use of the terms "primary users." It was felt that
the primary users of neighborhood parks are adults, youth, and the elderly, not just small
children and the elderly. It was suggested that the primary users of neighborhood parks
should be changed to families, rather than just children and seniors. Director Blank stated
that when you consider the facilities in a neighborhood park, they are geared for small
children (the playground equipment) and seniors (the walking trails). As a compromise,
it was decided to use children and adults as the primary users of neighborhood parks,
because this covers more age categories. Discussion continued on who the primary users
are at each type of park. The most crucial thing about park types is what is actually there
in terms of facilities. The amenities tell you what may be installed there, such as trails,
sports fields, skating rinks, play apparatus, picnicking, etc. Mary then asked why even
list the primary users. She felt it would be better to list just the amenities. Director Blank
then suggested changing teen to youth. Commissioner Willegalle asked about being
consistent when listing users. He said that for a city park, the primary users are listed as
adults and then teens, but for a community playfield, it's listed as teens and then adults.
Adam said it's listed that way, because the major primary user is listed first.
Commissioner Fiemann asked how we know we're meeting the needs of the residents
when we develop a neighborhood park. Director Blank said that prior to developing any
neighborhood park, we survey the residents to find out what amenities they'd like in their
park.
PRAC Minutes/September 1999
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Adam then explained the "city-wide facilities analysis" and the "neighborhood facilities
analysis" on pages 4 and 5 of the handout. Commissioner Thompson suggested that the
number of parks along with the acreages should be listed. Commissioner Fiemann asked
if the parks we have now are meeting the needs of the current population. If you include
French Park in the calculations, then we are meeting the needs, explained Director Blank.
Eagle Lake Park isn't included in current park acreages, but is included in the figures for
2020 and beyond. Director Blank said there may not be a large City park in the northwest
Plymouth area, but the Greenway will serve this area. Councilmember Black asked about
the impact of Maple Grove residents using our facilities when the trails are completed
connecting to Eagle Lake Regional Park. Commissioner Wahl said you can use the
Zachary Lane trail now to get to Maple Grove. Councilmember Black is concerned about
the increased use of our parks. Mary Bisek said there will be crossover with Plymouth
residents going into Maple Grove, as well. Since the trail was put in on Zachary Lane it
is used all the time. If trails become overcrowded, they will likely be widened from 8 to
10 feet, said Director Blank. We may have to go to 12 feet in really busy areas.
Discussion then moved to the neighborhood park service areas. Commissioner
Thompson had a question about the word inadequate. Director Blank said inadequate
means that the majority of residents living in the service area are more than one half mile
from a neighborhood park. Moderate means portions of that neighborhood are within one
half mile of a park. A lot of the park areas labeled inadequate are rural and undeveloped,
said Commissioner Willegalle and are outside the Municipal Urban Service Area
MUSA). Director Blank explained some of the new areas that will get parks as the area
develops. On Hadley Lake, the Rusten property is being called a special use park. This is
a potential open space parcel, and we want to turn a portion of it into a public lake access,
said Director Blank.
The open space map was discussed next. This map will be in the comprehensive plan and
is essentially what was identified in the 1994 study and what's left to purchase.
Commissioner Wahl asked why The Kids for Saving Earth Park doesn't show up as city
owned open space. Director Blank explained that it's in the category special use park. He
said he was skeptical about labeling it as open space, which could lead to some citizens
saying it cannot be used for anything other than walking, observing nature, etc.
Director Blank said there are eight chapters that have to be meshed together in the entire
comprehensive plan. The whole plan has been pushed back by two or three months,
because all densities are being recalculated. At the October and November meetings,
draft copies of the plan may be available for review. Around mid-December, there will
be a joint meeting to look at the entire park plan with the Council and Planning
Commission. The plan will not be final until after the public has had an opportunity to
comment and make suggestions for changes.
b. Plymouth Creek Center update. The weather has not been great, but things are coming
along. Crews are laying drain fields today; Friday and Saturday, they're spreading sand.
Astroturf will take over Monday or Tueday of next week. That will take two or three
PRAC Minutes/September 1999
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days. The bubble will go up around the end of October. Two thirds of the parking lots are
paved. We're getting calls daily now from soccer associations, etc., trying to book time.
There will be open gym time at the fieldhouse. Three primary users are Plymouth Soccer
Association, Wings Soccer, and Wayzata Soccer.
6. NEW BUSINESS
There was no new business.
7. COMMISSION PRESENTATION
The Ferndale North issue will likely come back to PRAC in the months ahead.
8. STAFF COMMUNICATION
The City Council has a study session next week. Open space will be on the agenda. All
PRAC members are invited to attend if they wish.
The meeting adjourned at 8:40 p.m. The next meeting is October 14.
DRAFT
OPEN SPACE MANAGEMENT PLANS
October 11, 9999
City -owned open spaces" are natural areas, stormwater management areas, tax forfeit land, and other City -
owned parcels that are not intended for active recreation. The City owns many such parcels that it
maintains at varying degrees. In order to ensure the preservation and restoration of high quality native
ecosystems, and to economize maintenance efforts, it is important to develop a management plan for each
City -owned parcel. These management plans should accomplish several goals
Ensure preservation of rare and high quality ecosystems, especially by protecting them from intrusion
by exotic species.
Determine appropriate level of maintenance for each City -owned open space parcel
Increase species and ecosystem diversity within the City through managed preservation and restoration
efforts
Each City -owned open space parcel should have its own, stand-alone management plan, even if the parcel
is to be left completely alone. The management plans should be prepared by the Parks and Recreation
Department, with review by other City staff and the Open Space Committee as needed. Any new parcels
acquired after the initial management planning process should have a plan prepared following acquisition.
Each management plan should contain the following information.
Parcel identification name or number
General location, size, and surrounding land uses
History of the site, including how it was acquired and any existing restrictions on the site, due to
agreement, deed restriction, zoning, or other factors
Detailed description of ecosystem (if any), including dominant species and any exotics present
General management style:
Preservation. Resources of high enough quality and stability that they need only be left alone in
order to flourish. Least maintenance.
Protection. Highly sensitive resources, which require monitoring. No maintenance required
unless the resource is threatened by development impacts or exotic species
Enhancement. Resources are near their ideal species diversity, but require minimal infill of
appropriate plants, and possible removal of non -natives. Ongoing maintenance and monitoring.
Restoration. Most intensive management type. Recreation of a resource nearly from scratch or
from a few remnant species. Reserved for native ecosystems that have become locally extinct.
Requires the highest maintenance.
Maintenance. Parcels where no resource exists and none is desired. Maintenance may include
mowing and other routine tasks.
Detailed description of planned maintenance practices
Description of the intended level of public access
It is important to note that ecosystems are constantly changing. By accurately describing an existing
resource and by effectively applying appropriate management strategies, the City can begin to safeguard its
current resources. These resources, however, may change gradually over time -- Oak Forests cycling into
other hardwood forest types, emergent wetlands becoming more boggy. Resource management should not
stall or interrupt these natural changes, but should ensure that diversity and quality is maintained, and that
threatened or endangered species are protected. Resource management is a very specialized undertaking,
and any enhancement or restoration should be undertaken by staff with the consultation of an ecologist or
other natural scientist.
OPEN SPACE
INVENTORY
LEGEND
City Owned Open Space
Parcels
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October 8, 1999
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2000-2004 CIP
Greenwood/Central Middle School - yoi.{ L t, je{s
Ridgemount Playfield — building, tennis, basketball, track, sand volleyball
Mud Lake land acquisition - $117,000
Mud Lake neighborhood park development
Zachary building — baseball fields
Picnic shelter — Zachary
Shelter next to Plymouth Creek playground
Sand volleyball - Elm Creek Playfield
Bleacher replacement (required by law)
West Beach rock shoreline
Skateboard park
Land acquisition— 10th playfield
Acquisition of neighborhood park space
Art in the Park
West Medicine Lake pavilion
Lights along Plymouth Creek trail
West Medicine Park lights
Community bulletin board signs
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To, Number Project Year and can - s . traction i Playfields Neighborhood l mprovern ei FundingF Otherher Funding Sources Notes
Design Trails Parks Funding and (CIF) t Sources
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1 Trails -Bridge -CR 9 and 1494 99 98 99 j X185,000 185,000,
PR2 Portable Stage 22,079 22,079i
PR3 Activity Center and Field He. 99 98 99100 70,000 70,000
PR4 Wast Medicine Lk. Park 99 98 99 25,000 60,000 95,000
TR5 El.CrackPl.yfieldBuildi-g 16M 99 98 i 99 140,00 1 140,000
PRIS Playground Replacement (3) 99 99 99 290,000 290,000
PR7 Oakwood School Playground Donation, w 99 99 LX5,0001 15,000
PR8 Youth Spon Field Upgrade 99 99 99 0,000 90,000
PR9 An in the Park 99 99 99 10,000 5,000 15,000
PRIO Shiloh Park Swings 99 999977 V6,000 6,000
PRI I Zachary Piayfield Lights --- 99 99 1 99/ i 50,000 50,000 A1
PRIla ZcharyPlayli.ldbcah. fVMWO 99 99 25,000 25,000
PR12 Vickuburga2nd Ave NM Park Phasc 1 99 99 9 L/ 35,000 35,000 7
FR13 Tnualbr to Park Replacencent, 99 99 1 29,000 14,000 43,000
S.bt.W 556,0791 100,000 425,000 0 0 0 1,081,079
PR1A Trail. 1 00 00 00 75,000 7_5,000KRA
P Portable StageR2 00 00 00- 2 "00' 1,000 21,000
PR3 Activity Center/Field HousePR3 00 00 00 100,000 100,000
P 6 Playground ReplacconatePR6 00 00 M00 180,000 180,000
PR8 Youth Sports Field UpgradesR 00 00 00oo 90,00090'000
PR9 Ad in the Peak 00 00 00 I 10,000 5,000
PR12 lVicksburgI22nd Ave Mini Park Phavc It 00 00 0000 90,00
P 13 Transfer to Pink Replacement 00 00 00 1 30,000 ID,L 0
PR14 Activity Center GardIMAoadcouPing 00 00 00 1 75,000 75,000
S.btow 401,000 110,000 180,000 0 0- 0 691,000
PRIA Tradi. 01 01 of 1001000 100,000
PR2 Portable Stege- 01 1 01 1 01 1 20,000 20,000
FR6 Playground Replacement 01 01 01 90,000 90,00020,000
PR9 Art in the Park 01 of 01 20,000,
M13 Transfer to Park Replacement 01 01 0, 31 A01 16,0001 47,M1
Subt.ftl I 171,000 16,000 90,000 0 0 0 277,000
PRlA Tuna: 02 02 1 02 100,000
100,000
PRPortable Stage 02 02 1 02 iv00
19,000
90,00020,000PR6PlaygroundReplacement0202102190,000
PR9 M in the ParkPR9 02 02 02
48,00,0
PR13 Transfer to Park Replacement 02 02 02 32,000 16,000
0 277,000
Subloul 171,000 16,000 90,0001 0 0
500 000'
PRI5 Land acquisition, northwest Plymouth 03 03 03
i 500,00 - 01 100,000,
Trail, 03 03 03 100,0001 100,000i
ITRB 6 _ Playground Replacement 03 03 31 100,0001
52,0001
PR13 Transfer to Park Replacement 03 03 03 1 35,000; 17,000 1
01 752,000
Subtotal 635,0001 17,000 100,00W 001
ITOTAL 1,934,0791 259,OOOF 885,0001 00 -
7- 10 3,078,0 ly I
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