HomeMy WebLinkAboutPark and Recreation Advisory Commission Minutes 06-14-2007MINUTES OF THE PARK AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION MEETING
June 14, 2007
PRESENT: Commissioners: Fiemann, Krahulec, Singer, Anderson, Smith,
Planning Commissioner: Weir
Staff: Blank, Evans, Miller
ABSENT: Knight, Mohagen, Griwac, Pederson
PACKET INCLUSIONS: Agenda, 5/10/07 Minutes, Neighborhood Park Development Memo with
Master Plan graphics, SRF Comprehensive Plan memo with future neighborhood and mini park
location graphics, 2007 trail improvement Project memo and graphics.
CALL TO ORDER
Meeting was called to order at 7:05 pm in the council chambers by Chairperson Commissioner
Fiemann.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Commission Fiemann asked for a motion to approve the minutes. Commissioner Singer motioned
to approve the minutes. Commissioner Anderson seconded the motion. All ayes and the motion
was carried.
3. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS presented by Evans:
a. Athletic Associations: None were present at the meeting.
b. Staff: None
c. Updates:
Summer seasonal employees have been hired and have just completed training
Most summer programs will start June 18. Swimming started Monday, June 11.
Parkers Lake
Water quality issues are stemming from an abundance of weeds in the lake.
Fiemann asked what type of weeds and what the remedy would be. Evans replied the majority is
milfoil and they are waiting for DNR permits to allow for cutting and another spray. The City will take
care of the swimming area and boat launch as it is too costly to do the entire lake. Blank interjected
that they will be cutting around 8 acres with a depth of approximately 3-4 feet. The lake will continue
to be monitored.
Due to the weed conditions the Water Ski Show has been cancelled. Looking at options for
July or August shows.
First swimmer's itch was reported this week.
I- Events
Evans reported that the Star and Tribune did a piece on wakeboarding. Plymouth Park and
Recreation is offering wakeboard classes this season and both courses are full.
Roll the dice bike rally is Saturday June 16, 2007. Pre -registration is $6.00 and $8.00 the
day of the rally. We are offering both long and short courses.
Big Walter Smith and Groove Merchants are currently playing at the Hilde Amphitheater for
the start of Entertainment in the Park.
Evans encourages everyone to take advantage of the musicians that will be performing over the
summer.
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I- Recreation Brochure
Currently working on the fall Plymouth Leisure Times.
Scheduled to go the printer on Monday, June 18, 2007.
Fall registration is scheduled to begin on July 11 for Plymouth residents and July 17 for
non-residents.
Evans concluded her presentation.
4. REPORT ON PAST COUNCIL ACTION
None reported
5. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
a. Approve Neighborhood Park Master Plan- Seven Greens
Blank started the topic by providing some background information to the commissioners. This
small neighborhood area was turned over to the city by Swanson's Developers. Upon deciding to
create a neighborhood park, letters were sent to residents inviting them to attend two
neighborhood meetings to get their thoughts and ideas. Also in attendance at those meetings was
the consulting agency that would work with staff to formulate the master plan, Brauer and
Associates.
Blank introduced, from Brauer and Associates, Amanda Prosser and George Watson. Both
Prosser and Watson will present the master plan to the commissioners. Neighborhood residents
were sent an invitation, along with the master plan, to attend this commission meeting to voice
their opinions. The process this evening will be to present the master plan and ask that the
commissioners accept, modify or send it back for continual work. Staff is recommending that the
plan be accepted as it is currently outlined. Watson presented the following: (Refer to the master
plan packet for complete details)
Background information
This site is natural with existing water ponds
Two access points. One off Quantico Lane and the other off Terraceview Lane.
Portions of the property have been cleared of buckthorn creating more space.
Prosser completed the presentation by pointing out the following highlights. (Refer to the master
plan packet for complete details)
Recommending that nature species be reintroduced to the outer portion of the park.
Pointed out the paved asphalt trail.
Parking provided along Quantico Lane. Reviewed the plan which showed that a parking lot
could be built that would accommodate 6-8 cars, but will not be included in the initial build.
Play equipment has a nature theme.
Other site amenities would include:
o Open space picnic shelter and grills.
o Lawn and games area.
Arbor with associated seating
Seating- benches and picnic tables
Trails- both paved and unpaved.
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Enhanced landscaping including rock boulders provide seating and border of the
lawn/game area.
Prosser stated the trails would be field staked. She indicated there was a concern about the trails
being to close to property line. They reviewed and realigned to get more space between the trails
and the resident homes. Reintroducing natural species would also provide an additional buffer for the
park and homeowners.
The following dialogue ensued after Prosser concluded her presentation.
Anderson questioned whether the west entrance was compliant with ADA standards. Prosser
responded that they need to bring in a substantial amount of fill for it to be 88% compliant. Creating
switch backs is something that they would have to look at. Smith wondered if there was need for
lighting. Prosser stated that there is not lighting in any neighbor parks. Singer inquired if all the paved
trails would be asphalt. Prosser replied that the trails will be 8 ft. wide and paved with asphalt for
maintenance purposes. Blank requested that Prosser address the Southwood Park. Prosser
explained that one of the reasons they decided to go with a smaller play area and nature theme for
the new park, is that just one block south is an existing playground park. Per the neighborhood
meetings, it was determined that by adding a few extra elements to the existing park, they could
accommodate the needs of the neighborhood. The neighborhood meetings brought out residents
requesting a set of swings and overhead structures. Krahulec asked if these items are available on
the market and Prosser replied with a yes. He also inquired about the storm water ponds. Prosser
informed the commissioners that the storm water ponds hold water to collect all run off from the
adjacent development.
Fiemann asked Blank if charcoal grills are generally placed in neighborhood parks and questioned if it
posed a fire hazard. Blank replied that neighborhood park grills are waist high- not on the ground.
Residents are not encouraged to bring grills. On that same note, Anderson mentioned that he heard
an inquiry about having an above ground fire pit in the park. Blank stated it's not on the plan to add a
fire ring at this time, but may look at that option later on. Singer questioned the need for paved trails
in the park. Blank replied that the paved trails here are put in for recreational use such as walking,
rollerblading, etc. It is easier to do these activities on a hard surface. Wood chips and/or rocks are
high maintenance and also deteriorate quickly.
In reviewing the plan, Smith stated that there is no indication of where the portable bathrooms will be.
Blank replied it will be easier to determine placement once construction begins and they are able to
walk the park to insure that the portable bathrooms are out of view of people's homes. He asked the
commission to remember that this is a very high level plan, and as the process moves forward, further
details will be provided. Singer questioned the statement of possibly bringing this park in under the
budgeted amount of $300,000, wondering how much below budget the amount could be. Blank
answered the biggest dollar amount would be the asphalt trails. The arbor structure will also be a
deciding factor. Blank feels very comfortable with the budgeted amount and that the project will not
exceed that amount.
Fiemann asked for other questions. Krahulec referred to the informal lawn area, wondering how it
would be maintained. Prosser replied that this would be level open space that would be manicured
and mowed. Fiemann asked attending residents if they had any question or comments. None were
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submitted. Fiemann questioned if further discussion was needed or a motion be made to approve the
plan as is. Singer moved that the PRAC commissioners adapt the staff's recommendation of the
master plan as presented to commissioners this evening. Krahulec seconded the motion. All were in
favor and the motion was carried.
Blank interjected that the plan will now be moved to the June 26, 2007 City Council meeting. If
approved at City Council, construction would possibly begin in August with a completion date of
October.
b. Comprehensive Plan
Blank explained to the commissioners that SRF has been contracted as the consulting firm to work
with staff to complete the comprehensive plan. They were the same consulting team that updated the
City's comprehensive plan in 2000. They were also the team that worked on the Northwest
Greenway, along with strategy to link the trails together. They have been asked to follow through by
working with staff on several components of the City's park, trail and open space plan as part of the
City's larger effort to update the City's Comprehensive Plan. SRF team members are present at
tonight's meeting to review the Northwest Plymouth- Future Neighborhood and Mini Park Locations.
Staff is not asking for any action by the commissioners at this time. The next four meetings will be to
present pieces of the comprehensive plan, and to give commissioners the opportunity to understand
all components of the plan. This first presentation of the plan is at its highest level. Staff will not ask
for a final motion until all components have been presented, reviewed and understood. The timeline is
expected to move as follows:
PRAC commissioners approve in October.
Public hearing with the planning commission in November or December.
To the City Council by December or January.
Blank turned the presentation over to Barry Warner. (Refer to Northwest Plymouth Future
Neighborhood and Mini Park Location hand-out for complete details).
The highlights of this presentation included:
I- Park Definitions
o Prototypes that guide the development of neighborhood parks
Neighborhood Parks
Parks within Plymouth are proposed to be approximately 12 acres.
5 acres of the park are dedicated towards recreational activities.
Remaining 7 acres are dedicated to passive facilities such as ponds,
wetlands and woodlands.
Parks are typically located to serve residents located within 0.5 miles of
the park without having to cross barriers such as high volume roadways or
railroad tracks.
Mini Parks
Proposed to be approximately 2 acres in size.
Recreation facilities such as open play fields.
Serves small residential pockets that are bounded by City boundaries
and/or high volume roads.
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Located to serve residents within 0.5 miles with having to cross barriers
such as high volume roadways and/or railroad tracks.
o Land Use
City updated the land use plan for the northwest area.
Analysis is based on projected residential uses and densities.
o Northwest Greenway Corridor Master Plan
City Council adopted a master plan for future open space amenities extending
across a large portion of northwest Plymouth.
Greenway will preserve existing natural resources and provide an integrated trail
network for this area.
Potential parks will be evaluated as to their relationship to the greenway.
The presentation was turned over to Joni Giese to address the park site analysis. (Refer to Northwest
Plymouth Future Neighborhood and Mini Park Location hand-out for complete details).
Park Area 1
o Service Area
Abuts the western city limits, immediately south of Highway 55.
Existing land use is primarily agricultural with some commercial and single family
residents.
Natural resources include large wetlands and some woodland.
Two existing parks located just outside of the functional park service area.
o Special Considerations
Service area has very few streets.
Future development will include an internal street system to provide park access.
o Park Alternatives
Site 1A- located in western service area with wooded hillside and lower wetlands.
Access for future residential development along Brockton Lane.
Site 113- more centrally located than 1A with two wooded hillsides, wetlands, and
flat, agricultural land. A roadway or trail will need to be developed through the
wetlands to provide park access along Brockton Lane.
Site 1 C is centrally located a little further to the south and predominantly consists
of wetlands.
o Recommendation
Providing either a roadway or trail can make a connection through the wetland,
staff recommends site 1 B.
If this is not feasible, then SitelA would be the alternative because of its close
proximity to the residents to the west.
Fiemann asked how wide the wetland between 1A and 1 B is. Giese responded her quick estimation
is approximately 200-250 ft. Fiemann then asked if you moved the site to 1 A, houses just to the east
of site 1 B could not get to the park. Giese admitted this is a problematic area with the wetlands
centered in the middle of the area. Smith questioned if in situations like this, would they consider
developing two mini parks rather than one big park. Blank responded that planning is usually stopped
at this level because when developers buy the land, it depends on who assembles the land and how
many parcels they are able to assemble. The more parcels a developer can assemble the more
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leeway they have in developing their road system. Utility systems also need to be considered and the
cost of running those systems through the wetlands come into play. Blank stated they will sit with the
developer to determine which site is more feasible 1A or 1 B. We can use a trail to link the two
neighborhoods.
Park Site Area 2 (Refer to handout for complete details)
o Service Area
Abuts the western city limits immediately south of Cty. Rd. 47.
Park service area is bound by Cty. Rd 101 to the west, Cty. Rd. 47 to the north,
the future Peony Lane extension to the east and green space and Elm Creek
Golf Course to the south.
Land is primarily rural, low density, single family residents.
Natural resources include large wetland, bounded wooded slop and some rolling
woodlands.
o Special Considerations
Elm Creek Golf Course may be redeveloped into residential land.
It is anticipated that future residents will utilize the existing community play field
located immediately west of Wayzata Senior High if Elm Creek goes residential.
The City is planning on extending Peony Lane northward to connect to Lawndale
Lane.
o Park Alternatives
Site 2A- located in the northern portion of the service area. Existing wetlands and
associated drainage with an agricultural field that can be converted to an active
recreation area.
Site 213- located immediately south of site 1A and centrally located. Captures
portions of a natural drainage corridor. Large portion can be created in to active
recreational area. Large portion of the site will need to be re -vegetated to provide
an enhanced passive recreational experience.
Site 2C- located in the southern portion of the service area. Site will provide
attractive views towards a large wetland complex. Potential to be connected to
the Northwest Greenway
Site 2D- location of a new church that will be constructed immediately east of
Cty. Rd 101. Church site is not central within the neighborhood. Conflicts in
facility programming and use may also exist.
o Recommendations
Site 2B is recommended as it is centrally located in relation to the residential
land.
Provides ample opportunity for active recreation and will preserve a natural
drainage corridor.
Krahulec asked how they could connect 2C to the Greenway. Giese replied that they would have to
review if these would be additional roadways being built in that area providing an intersection
crossing to the wetland complex.
Park Site Area 3 (refer to handout for complete details)
o Service Area
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Bound by the City limits on the north and Cty. Rd. 47 on the west and south.
Vicksburg to the east.
Existing land is primarily rural, low density, single family or agricultural.
Number of isolated wetlands.
o Special Considerations
Service area has very limited streets within it. Any proposed park would require
access be built.
Potential for pedestrian underpass of Cty. Rd. 47.
o Alternatives
Site 3A - located in the western portion of the service area. The site is flat which
allows for development of active recreation area and takes advantage of wetland
views.
Site 3B - centrally located and provides scenic view for park users.
Site 3C - located east central within the service area. The site is relatively flat
which facilitates the potential of an active recreation area.
o Recommendations
Site 3A is recommended as a future mini park site. Significant residential
development is likely to occur. It will provide an active recreation area as well as
scenic views of the wetlands.
Fiemann asked if the blue areas noted on the graphic were wetlands or required wetland buffers.
Giese replied that there are designated wetlands covering all categories. Fiemann responded that
the City has required buffers around the wetlands which further restricts option 3B and 3C. Fiemann
then questioned whether Maple Grove is building anything that we could latch onto. Blank replied that
he is not currently aware of any, but will be communicating with Maple Grove in the months ahead.
We will be connecting with Maple Grove at Elm Creek, bringing the trail to the Greenway.
Park Site Area 4 (Refer to handout for complete details)
o Service Area
Bounded by Cty, Rd. 47 on the north, Vicksburg on the east, the SOO Line
Railroad and Schmidt Lake Rd. on the south and Peony Lane on the west.
Area contains a number of wetlands. This wetland is planned to be incorporated
into the Northwest Greenway.
City's only dog park is located in the northwest portion of the service area.
A gun club operates a shooting range on a wooded parcel in the southern portion
of the service.
o Special Considerations
Two parcels in the NE quadrant of the service area are currently under
consideration as a potential location for a new community playfield.
Few streets exist within this area. New neighborhood park access would
improve existing local streets or new internal streets.
o Park Alternatives
Site 4A- Egan Park current use is a dog park. Converting five acres to an active
recreation area could not be done without adversely affecting the site's natural
resources.
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Site 413- Southeast of Egan Park. High demand for parking associated with the
dog park could pose issues for a new neighborhood park. This site also has the
potential to function as a portion of the Northwest Greenway, completing the link
between Dunkirk Land and the Elm Creek wetland complex.
Site 4C -centrally located with convenient access to the existing multi -family
neighborhood.
Site 4D- located immediately northeast of the existing multi -family housing in the
portion of the service area. This site is envisioned to be a mini park. While a mini
park will provide recreation opportunities, it will be offset by the passive
recreational opportunities that will be available in the Northwest Greenway.
o Recommendation
Site 4B has been recommended, with Site 4D recommended as a mini park.
Site 4B provides access to the natural resources within Egan Park as well as
being a component for the Northwest Greenway.
Site 4D will provide convenient active recreation for residents.
Singer questioned why Site 4C was not chosen. Giese responded that the City is considering two
potential playfields in that NW area and those playfields would have some recreational equipment.
Residents close to that site would be in close proximity of those playfields.
Anderson had a question about the Greenway and gaining access to it from other parks within the
city. Giese replied that they are looking at Holly Lane and crossing of the railroad. She stated there
are still issues surrounding some of the concepts they are presenting tonight and may need to revisit
the site location based on the resolution of some of those issues. Blank identified three areas
available to cross the railroad. One at the far east at Three Ponds Park, Holly Lane, which has
retained right of way for future trail and Dunkirk Lane, which would have a north/ south corridor that
would take you to the Greenway. The issues of the train and the whistles will be a matter that the
consultants will be looking into. More issues may be identified as they continue through the process,
especially as they begin to look at the trail system.
Fiemann asked Blank if he was aware if Dunkirk is being planned to connect into the south at any
point. Blank replied that there is a sign that reads Dunkirk Lane will be extended. He stated that all
planning efforts also indicate that this will be done. Giese asked for additional comments on Site 4.
Krahulec asked if the mini park would serve a high density area. Giese replied that she felt the
recreational area would be sufficient and that it will also meet the residential passive needs. Blank
interjected that they may do a household survey to see the number of children that reside in that area
or ask the school for a census list. If a larger structure is deemed necessary, it will be considered.
Park Site Area 5 (Refer to handout for complete details)
o Service Area
Bounded by Cty. Rd 47 on the north, the future Cheshire Lane extension on the
east, the Northwest Greenway on the south, and Vicksburg Lane on the west.
Envisioned as a mini park.
The border area is planned to be incorporated into the Northwest Greenway.
o Special Considerations
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New housing developer has provided space within the development for a mini
park.
Private parks have been provided in the newly developed residential housing
located north of Cty. Rd 47.
o Park Alternatives
Site 5A is the only site under consideration. The park is centrally located with
one side of the park directly abutting the future Northwest Greenway.
o Recommendations
Site 5A in the recommended future site of a mini park.
Park Site Area 6 (Refer to handout for complete details)
o Service Area
Bound by the Northwest Greenway on the north, Cheshire Lane on the east, the
SOO Line Railroad on the south, and Vicksburg on the west.
Lake Pomerleau is located on the eastern portion of the service area.
o Special Considerations
Service area has very few streets.
Three Rivers Park trail runs along the west side of Cheshire Lane. Plans are
continue this trail northward.
o Park Alternatives
Site 6A - centrally located. Provides a safe and convenient access for future
residents west of the lake.
Site 6B - located southwest of the lake. Residents west and east of the lake will
have easy access to the park.
Site 6C - located between Lake Pomerleau and a wetland located southeast of
the lake. Provides direct access to the lake.
o Recommendations
Site 6A is recommended as it is centrally located and can successfully protect
the natural resources while providing topography to accommodate active
recreation.
Anderson asked how this relates to possible future trails and if there has been consideration to have
a connection over the railroad into the Providence Academy area. Blank replied that Providence
Academy had been in contact with the railroad and talked about tunneling under the railroad track to
develop soccer fields on the north side of the tracks. The railroad grade would allow for tunneling
under the tracks. They are exploring all possibilities with developers, the railroads and school.
Park Site Area 7 (Refer to handout for complete details)
o Service Area
Bounded by the SOO Line Railroad on the north, Hollydale Golf Course on the
east, Old Rockford Road on the south and Peony Lane on the west.
Significant feature within the area is the golf course which will remain an active
facility.
West of Holly Lane contains a mini park provided by the homeowners
association.
o Special Considerations
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Two trails have to be constructed to connect the new residential area. Current
trails terminate at the edge of the new development.
o Park Alternatives
Site 7A will allow for the extension of the existing trails into the woodland areas.
Site 7B has direct road access and parking could be shared by the park users
and golf course.
o Recommendations
Site 7A is the recommended future site as it will allow for the extension of the
existing trails into the woodlands. Given the unique character of this woodland, it
is recommended that the City acquire the entire woodland, if adequate resources
exist.
Singer asked what is in the private park and Blank responded "a swimming pool". Fiemann asked if
the blue area, as shown on the graphic, should be considered wetlands. Giese stated that there are
many different categories of wetlands. Sometimes woodlands are classified as wetlands as they flood
during the spring melting months. Graphics were not broken down into different wetland categories.
Singer asked Blank how many of their neighborhood parks are without parking. Blank replied that 25
parks out of 30 probably do not have parking.
Singer asked for overall big picture which was presented on the last slide outlining the overall service
areas and proposed sites. Some overlap is due partially as a result of railroads and roadways
Smith commented on the nice coverage. Giese asked for next steps and Blank asked if the
commissioners have any questions or additional research they would like the consultants or staff to
do. He also stated that the park tour would include these proposed areas or they bike through them
on their own. In the months ahead, staff will be coming back with updates to the maps, adding
continuous layers as they move towards the final park integrated system. This final system should be
ready by October, 2007.
Staff and consultants will be working on the next four items to present for the July commission
meeting.
6. New Business
Fiemann introduced the next agenda item: Approve 2007 Trail Improvement Projects.
Blank presented the following.
There are 100 miles of off road trails.
Most trails are built by developers. They are required to build trails as they construct the
roadways, but there are always gaps in the system
Staff and engineering do an annual analysis of trails making recommendations based on the
following:
o Where the gap are.
o The safety concerns of each location.
o The financial impact to improve or build the trails.
Budget allocated this year is $75,000.00. It takes approximately $100,000.00 to build one mile
of new trail.
As previously reported, a number of trails where looked at for improvement.
o 2 trail improvement projects would fall in the $75,000.00 budget and based on
engineering analysis. Recommendation is:
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The trail on Bass Lake Road between Deerwood Lane and Zachary Lane.
The trail on Old Rockford Road at the intersection of Revere Lane and Highway
55.
Anderson asked Blank if he considered the Bass Lake Road connection a completion or a safety
factor and Blank responded that he felt it was a combination of both. Anderson stated that he can't
picture how this would be routed through on the southern section as there is no connection to
Saratoga. Blank replied that three different plans are being considered. The decision will be left to
the traffic engineers.
Fiemann asked the commissioners if there were further questions. There were none. He then asked
Blank if there was an action he was requesting from the commissioners. Blank stated that he would
like to get a motion in order to move the recommendation to the City Council meeting on June 26.
Singer made a motion to recommend the trail improvement segments in 2007 be approved. Smith
seconded the motion. All ayes and the motion was carried.
Blank reported the damage at Parkers Lake Park from the May storm.
Lost 5-6 trees on the beach side. This has now been cleaned up.
On the north side of the park, the wind picked up a five year old bleacher and embedded it in
the fence, thus tipping the fence to a 45 degree angle.
Damage to all back stops and a few trees. The build went unscathed.
Public works had a well roof come off and smash on to an employee's car. Also lost a few
trees.
In addressing the Parkers Lake weed issue, Blank is hoping that they will receive the DNR permits
tomorrow so they can begin spraying. After spraying, they will commence cutting the weeds.
7. Commission Presentation
Mike Misk, residing at 1800 Magnolia for the past 15 years, was present to represent the Medicine
Sailing Club. He first commented on what a phenomenal job the park and recreation department does
and how the programs have been a part of their family activities. His purpose to present at tonight's
meeting is to ask that a sailing park be included in the City's Comprehensive Plan. Misk stated that he
has over thirty years in sailing. Blank asked him to mention races he has competed in. Misk
responded that he has competed both regionally and nationally. He also mentioned that Larry Kick
races and is one of the founders of the Minnetonka Sailing Club.
Misk went on to ask that the Medicine Lake Sailing Club collaborate with the City of Plymouth to have
events similar to the Minneapolis Aquatenial working with the Minneapolis Calhoun Beach Club.
Misk could envision the Medicine Lake Sailing Club, in conjunction with the City of Plymouth, offering
sailing, with an emphasis on racing.
Blank stated that recreation and sports are addressed in the comprehensive plan and to take note
that sailing has not been included. Discussion will continue with the sailing club.
8. ADJOURNMENT
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Chairperson Commissioner Fiemann asked for a motion to adjourn the meeting. Commissioner
Singer motioned to adjourn the meeting. Commissioner Krahulec seconded motion. All ayes and
the meeting adjourned at 8:59p.m.
The next meeting will be held on Thursday, July 12, 2007.
Respectfully Submitted,
Mary Miller
PRAC recorder
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