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DECEMBER 12, 1997
1. COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULE.-
NOTE:
CHEDULE.NOTE: Ward I Councilmember Tim Bildsoe meets with residents and receives their
comments in the Administration Library, beginning at 6:00 PM before each
Regular Council meeting.
DECEMBER 17 7: 00 PM REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING
Council Chambers
JANUARY 7 7:00 PM REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING
Council Chambers
2. PLANNING COMMISSION, TUESDAY, DECEMBER 16, 7:00 PM, Council Chambers.
Agenda is attached. (M-2)
3. COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE ONBUSINESS RELATIONS, WEDNESDAY,
DECEMBER 17, 5:30 PM, Medicine Lake Room. Agenda is attached. (M-3)
4. HRA, THURSDAY, DECEMBER 18, 7: 00 PM, has been canceled.
S. PUBLIC SAFETYAD VISOR Y BOARD, THURSDAY, DECEMBER 18, 7: OO PM, Public
Safety Training Room. Agenda is attached. (M-5)
6. PLYMOUTH CITYEMPLOYEE HOLIDAYLUNCHEON, TUESDAY, DECEMBER 23,
11: 00 AM -1:30 PM, Plymouth Radisson. City offices will close for the luncheon.
7. CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY, THURSDAY, DECEMBER 25, City offices closed.
8. NEW YEAR HOLIDAY, THURSDAY, JANUARY], 1998, City offices closed.
9. MEETING CALENDARS —December `97 and January `98 meeting calendars are
attached. (M-9)
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DECEMBER 12, 1997
1. COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULE.-
NOTE:
CHEDULE.NOTE: Ward I Councilmember Tim Bildsoe meets with residents and receives their
comments in the Administration Library, beginning at 6:00 PM before each
Regular Council meeting.
DECEMBER 17 7: 00 PM REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING
Council Chambers
JANUARY 7 7:00 PM REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING
Council Chambers
2. PLANNING COMMISSION, TUESDAY, DECEMBER 16, 7:00 PM, Council Chambers.
Agenda is attached. (M-2)
3. COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE ONBUSINESS RELATIONS, WEDNESDAY,
DECEMBER 17, 5:30 PM, Medicine Lake Room. Agenda is attached. (M-3)
4. HRA, THURSDAY, DECEMBER 18, 7: 00 PM, has been canceled.
S. PUBLIC SAFETYAD VISOR Y BOARD, THURSDAY, DECEMBER 18, 7: OO PM, Public
Safety Training Room. Agenda is attached. (M-5)
6. PLYMOUTH CITYEMPLOYEE HOLIDAYLUNCHEON, TUESDAY, DECEMBER 23,
11: 00 AM -1:30 PM, Plymouth Radisson. City offices will close for the luncheon.
7. CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY, THURSDAY, DECEMBER 25, City offices closed.
8. NEW YEAR HOLIDAY, THURSDAY, JANUARY], 1998, City offices closed.
9. MEETING CALENDARS —December `97 and January `98 meeting calendars are
attached. (M-9)
CITY COUNCIL INFORMATION MEMO Page 2
December 12, 1997
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1. NEWS ARTICLES, RELEASES, PUBLICATIONS, ETC.
a. Invitation to the Hennepin County Sheriffs Office holiday open house,
Wednesday, December 17,1-5 PM, Room 6, Minneapolis City Hall. (I -la)
b. Transportation Information newsletter from the Stanley Consultants Group. (I -1b)
C. Notice from the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency of the granting of a permit
for construction and operation of a sanitary sewer extension system in Conors
Meadows. (I-1 c)
d. Notice from Campbell Knutson, PA, of oral arguments scheduled before the
Minnesota Supreme Court on Wednesday, January 1, 1998 at 9:00 AM. (I -Id)
2. CHARTER COMMISSIONANNUAL REPORT
Submitted to Chief District Judge Daniel Mabley, by Assistant Manager Lueckert.
(1-2)
3. MEETING MINUTES
a. Public Safety Advisory Board November 20, 1997 meeting. (1-3a)
b. Steering Committee for the Cities of the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District
November 20, 1997 meeting draft notes. (1--3b)
C. City Officials and District 281 Social Studies Teachers December 3, 1997
meeting. (I -3c)
d. Planning Commission December 9, 1997 meeting. (I --3d)
4. CITIZEN COMMUNICATIONS POLICY— CORRESPONDENCE
A status report on the most recent correspondence is attached. (I--4)
S. CORRESPONDENCE
a. Letter to Planning Commission Chair Michael Stulberg from Sugar Hills
Townhome Association Vice President Donald Butler regarding the Moen-Leuer
request for conditional use permit for manufacturing construction project near 36'
Street and Zanzibar Lane. (I -5a)
b. Letter to Plymouth Business Council Chair Ken Mosher from John Sweeney,
Assistant to Public Works Director, regarding the proposed Spring 1998 Regional
Job Fair. (I -5b)
CITY COUNCIL INFORMATION MEMO Page 2
December 12, 1997
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1. NEWS ARTICLES, RELEASES, PUBLICATIONS, ETC.
a. Invitation to the Hennepin County Sheriffs Office holiday open house,
Wednesday, December 17,1-5 PM, Room 6, Minneapolis City Hall. (I -la)
b. Transportation Information newsletter from the Stanley Consultants Group. (I -1b)
C. Notice from the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency of the granting of a permit
for construction and operation of a sanitary sewer extension system in Conors
Meadows. (I-1 c)
d. Notice from Campbell Knutson, PA, of oral arguments scheduled before the
Minnesota Supreme Court on Wednesday, January 1, 1998 at 9:00 AM. (I -Id)
2. CHARTER COMMISSIONANNUAL REPORT
Submitted to Chief District Judge Daniel Mabley, by Assistant Manager Lueckert.
(1-2)
3. MEETING MINUTES
a. Public Safety Advisory Board November 20, 1997 meeting. (1-3a)
b. Steering Committee for the Cities of the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District
November 20, 1997 meeting draft notes. (1--3b)
C. City Officials and District 281 Social Studies Teachers December 3, 1997
meeting. (I -3c)
d. Planning Commission December 9, 1997 meeting. (I --3d)
4. CITIZEN COMMUNICATIONS POLICY— CORRESPONDENCE
A status report on the most recent correspondence is attached. (I--4)
S. CORRESPONDENCE
a. Letter to Planning Commission Chair Michael Stulberg from Sugar Hills
Townhome Association Vice President Donald Butler regarding the Moen-Leuer
request for conditional use permit for manufacturing construction project near 36'
Street and Zanzibar Lane. (I -5a)
b. Letter to Plymouth Business Council Chair Ken Mosher from John Sweeney,
Assistant to Public Works Director, regarding the proposed Spring 1998 Regional
Job Fair. (I -5b)
CITY COUNCIL INFORMATION MEMO Page 3
December 12, 1997
C. Letter to the Editor of the Star Tribune from Ward 1 Councilmember Bildsoe
regarding the December 3, 1997 article by Mike Myers discussing use of tax
increment financing in cities. (I -Sc)
d. Correspondence between Nicolae Teisanu and City staff regarding a drainage
problem at their Medicine Ridge Road home. (I -SD)
CITY COUNCIL INFORMATION MEMO Page 3
December 12, 1997
C. Letter to the Editor of the Star Tribune from Ward 1 Councilmember Bildsoe
regarding the December 3, 1997 article by Mike Myers discussing use of tax
increment financing in cities. (I -Sc)
d. Correspondence between Nicolae Teisanu and City staff regarding a drainage
problem at their Medicine Ridge Road home. (I -SD)
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PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA A/� Z
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 16, 1997 � '
WHERE: Plymouth City Center
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, MN 55447
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
CONSENT AGENDA
All items listed with an asterisk (*) are considered to be routine by the Planning Commission and will
be enacted by one motion. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless a Commissioner,
citizen or petitioner so requests, in which event the item will be removed from the consent agenda and
considered in normal sequence on the agenda.
1. CALL TO ORDER 7:00 P.M.
2. PUBLIC FORUM
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
5. *CONSENT AGENDA
6. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. Eagle Crest Northwest, Inc. Rezoning from FRD (Future Restricted Development) to RMF -1
(Multiple Family 1), Preliminary Plat and Site Plan to allow construction of a 48 -unit townhome
development on the 9.7 acre site located southeast of Fernbrook Lane and 43`d Avenue. (97089)
B. United Properties. Preliminary Plat, Site Plan, and Conditional Use Permit for two office
buildings totaling 180,000 square feet for property located at the southeast corner of Fernbrook
Lane and 34' Avenue. (97160)
C. Moen Leuer Construction.' Conditional Use Permit Amendment to allow up to 40 percent of
the total building area for assembly, manufacturing and warehousing as accessory uses in the B-
C (Business Campus) Zoning District for their office/showroom building to be located north of
Highway 55, south of 36' Avenue, east of Rockford Road. (97170)
7. NEW BUSINESS
A. Northwest Associated Consultants. Comprehensive Plan Update, Tactics Study Report.
8. ADJOURNMENT
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PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA A/� Z
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 16, 1997 � '
WHERE: Plymouth City Center
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, MN 55447
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
CONSENT AGENDA
All items listed with an asterisk (*) are considered to be routine by the Planning Commission and will
be enacted by one motion. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless a Commissioner,
citizen or petitioner so requests, in which event the item will be removed from the consent agenda and
considered in normal sequence on the agenda.
1. CALL TO ORDER 7:00 P.M.
2. PUBLIC FORUM
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
5. *CONSENT AGENDA
6. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. Eagle Crest Northwest, Inc. Rezoning from FRD (Future Restricted Development) to RMF -1
(Multiple Family 1), Preliminary Plat and Site Plan to allow construction of a 48 -unit townhome
development on the 9.7 acre site located southeast of Fernbrook Lane and 43`d Avenue. (97089)
B. United Properties. Preliminary Plat, Site Plan, and Conditional Use Permit for two office
buildings totaling 180,000 square feet for property located at the southeast corner of Fernbrook
Lane and 34' Avenue. (97160)
C. Moen Leuer Construction.' Conditional Use Permit Amendment to allow up to 40 percent of
the total building area for assembly, manufacturing and warehousing as accessory uses in the B-
C (Business Campus) Zoning District for their office/showroom building to be located north of
Highway 55, south of 36' Avenue, east of Rockford Road. (97170)
7. NEW BUSINESS
A. Northwest Associated Consultants. Comprehensive Plan Update, Tactics Study Report.
8. ADJOURNMENT
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Plymouth City Council P.....s
Business Relations Subcommittee
December 17, 1997 5:30 p.m.
I. Call to Order
II. Business Focus Group
--date: March 12, 1998, Plymouth Ice Center
--discussion with consultant
--discussion of businesses to invite
--next steps
III. Plymouth Business Council
IV. Next Meeting
Plymouth City Council P.....s
Business Relations Subcommittee
December 17, 1997 5:30 p.m.
I. Call to Order
II. Business Focus Group
--date: March 12, 1998, Plymouth Ice Center
--discussion with consultant
--discussion of businesses to invite
--next steps
III. Plymouth Business Council
IV. Next Meeting
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AGENDA
City of Plymouth
111me liff,#F Advisory Basi
Thursday, December 18, 1997
7.00 p.m.
Training Room of the Public Safety Building - 2"d floor
I. Call to order
II. Approval of minutes from November 20, 1997 meeting
III. Animal Ordinance - review of issues and questions for citizen survey
Nov 1997
Review all issues and gather all pertinent information for
making a decision on each issue.
Nov 1997
Final decision on whether to do entire change to ordinance at
one time or separate out major issues.
IV. Adjournment
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AGENDA
City of Plymouth
111me liff,#F Advisory Basi
Thursday, December 18, 1997
7.00 p.m.
Training Room of the Public Safety Building - 2"d floor
I. Call to order
II. Approval of minutes from November 20, 1997 meeting
III. Animal Ordinance - review of issues and questions for citizen survey
Nov 1997
Review all issues and gather all pertinent information for
making a decision on each issue.
Nov 1997
Final decision on whether to do entire change to ordinance at
one time or separate out major issues.
IV. Adjournment
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STANLEY CONSULTANTS
A Member of The Stanley Consultants Group MW
5775 Wayzata Blvd., Suite 955
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55416
612.546.3669 r / i ML,
e-mail: lnfo@stanleygroup.com
SUPERPAVE: THE NEW MARVEL IN
HIGHWAY ASPHALT
It's not a super hero, and it does not come without its complications, but early
indications are that Superpave is the wave of the future for highway construction.
Superpave stands for Superior Performing Asphalt Pavements and is a result of a $50
million in research performed under the Federal Strategic Highway Research
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Program. It represents an improved system for specifying the components of asphalt
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concrete, asphalt mixture design and analysis, and asphalt pavement performance
prediction. It is intended for interstates, highways, and secondary roads with large
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traffic volumes. In 1996 there were almost 100 Superpave projects in 28 states and
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over 300 were planned in 44 different states for the 1997 construction season.
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An AASHTO task force assigned six states to lead the implementation effort of the
Superpave system. The lead states of Florida, Indiana, Maryland, New York,
` Texas and Utah are charged with implementing, documenting, and sharing
♦ their Superpave experiences.
The early indications are positive despite a few complications. This is
fi, ♦ a radical change for the pavement industry requiring consultants
♦ and contractors to learn new methods. The idea is to increase the
stone on stone contact in the hot mix asphalt. Improved
♦ capacity to carry heavy traffic loads is the result.
One of the major challenges has been
compacting to the specified
density. However, any pavement
mixture which '' provides good rutting
resistance under heavy ` traffic will also re -
If you have used Superpave for
quire more compactive effort to 4 ♦ build it. Some of
a project, let us know about it.
the 1996 density problems were resolved , ♦ using any one or
a combination of the following:
We will compile your success or
Having the mix placed at the appropriate
unsuccessful stories for a future
temperature (for the binder used)
edition of INFO. You can e-mail
Using a heavier (12-15 ton) breakdown roller
us at info@stanleygroup.com or
Keeping the breakdown roller up close to the paver
call Sam Snyder at 3191264-6276.
Many states are easing into the Superpave system by letting out
only a few projects the past couple of years. Indiana was one of the
leaders in 1996. Indiana awarded 16 projects utilizing 448,000
metric tons of Superpave.
"We are behind it 100 percent," said Richard Smutzer, Chief, Materials
and Test Division of the Indiana Department of Transportation.
It will still be a couple of years before the longevity hypothesis can be proven,
but the number of projects are continuing to grow on an annual basis.
...for more information on Superpave, call the office listed above.
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STANLEY CONSULTANTS
A Member of The Stanley Consultants Group MW
5775 Wayzata Blvd., Suite 955
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55416
612.546.3669 r / i ML,
e-mail: lnfo@stanleygroup.com
SUPERPAVE: THE NEW MARVEL IN
HIGHWAY ASPHALT
It's not a super hero, and it does not come without its complications, but early
indications are that Superpave is the wave of the future for highway construction.
Superpave stands for Superior Performing Asphalt Pavements and is a result of a $50
million in research performed under the Federal Strategic Highway Research
♦
Program. It represents an improved system for specifying the components of asphalt
♦
concrete, asphalt mixture design and analysis, and asphalt pavement performance
prediction. It is intended for interstates, highways, and secondary roads with large
`
traffic volumes. In 1996 there were almost 100 Superpave projects in 28 states and
— —
over 300 were planned in 44 different states for the 1997 construction season.
`
An AASHTO task force assigned six states to lead the implementation effort of the
Superpave system. The lead states of Florida, Indiana, Maryland, New York,
` Texas and Utah are charged with implementing, documenting, and sharing
♦ their Superpave experiences.
The early indications are positive despite a few complications. This is
fi, ♦ a radical change for the pavement industry requiring consultants
♦ and contractors to learn new methods. The idea is to increase the
stone on stone contact in the hot mix asphalt. Improved
♦ capacity to carry heavy traffic loads is the result.
One of the major challenges has been
compacting to the specified
density. However, any pavement
mixture which '' provides good rutting
resistance under heavy ` traffic will also re -
If you have used Superpave for
quire more compactive effort to 4 ♦ build it. Some of
a project, let us know about it.
the 1996 density problems were resolved , ♦ using any one or
a combination of the following:
We will compile your success or
Having the mix placed at the appropriate
unsuccessful stories for a future
temperature (for the binder used)
edition of INFO. You can e-mail
Using a heavier (12-15 ton) breakdown roller
us at info@stanleygroup.com or
Keeping the breakdown roller up close to the paver
call Sam Snyder at 3191264-6276.
Many states are easing into the Superpave system by letting out
only a few projects the past couple of years. Indiana was one of the
leaders in 1996. Indiana awarded 16 projects utilizing 448,000
metric tons of Superpave.
"We are behind it 100 percent," said Richard Smutzer, Chief, Materials
and Test Division of the Indiana Department of Transportation.
It will still be a couple of years before the longevity hypothesis can be proven,
but the number of projects are continuing to grow on an annual basis.
...for more information on Superpave, call the office listed above.
Stanley Consultants, Inc.
Suite 955
5775 Wayzata Blvd.
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55416
MS JOY TIERNEY
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
CITY HALL
17915 20TH AVENUE N
PLYMOUTH MN 55447
For Your INFO...
TRACKING Transportation
Dollars: How Does Minnesota
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The graph shows how Minnesota compares
to other states. The competition for federal
transportation funds is fierce. Shaded states
contribute more funds than they receive.
Source: Federal Highway Administration -1996
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5775 Wayzata Blvd.
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55416
MS JOY TIERNEY
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
CITY HALL
17915 20TH AVENUE N
PLYMOUTH MN 55447
For Your INFO...
TRACKING Transportation
Dollars: How Does Minnesota
Fare?
The graph shows how Minnesota compares
to other states. The competition for federal
transportation funds is fierce. Shaded states
contribute more funds than they receive.
Source: Federal Highway Administration -1996
STANLEYCONSULTANTS, INC. • Street and Highway Design
7R4NSP0RTA770NSERVICES . Traffic Engineering
• Bridge Design
• Construction Management
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Minnesota Pollution Control Agency
December 9, 1997
The Honorable Joy Tierney
Mayor, City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, Minnesota 55447-1482
Dear Mayor Tierney:
Enclosed is Permit Number 21574 for the construction and operation of a sanitary sewer
extension system to be located in Plymouth, Minnesota.
Please carefully review the permit, including any Special Conditions, General Conditions
(No. 1-20) and information relative to plans and the permit application. Please let us
know if you have any questions regarding these documents. If you do have questions, you
may contact me at the address listed below or call me at (612) 296-7762. If you like, you
may also use our toll free number, which is 1-800-657-3864.
Since ely,
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Donald K. Perwien, P.E., Staff Engineer
Compliance Unit 1
Point Source Compliance Section
Water Quality Division
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Enclosures: Sewer Extension Permit
General Conditions
cc: City Council c/o Dwight Johnson, City Manager
Fred Moore, Director of Public Works
McCombs, Frank, Roos Associates, Inc.
Metropolitan Council - Environmental Services c/o Don Bluhm
Metropolitan Council - Environmental Services c% Marcel Jouseau
520 Lafayette Rd. N.; St. Paul, MN 55155-4194; (612) 296-6300 (Voice); (612) 282-5332 (TTY)
Regional Offices: Duluth • Brainerd • Detroit Lakes • Marshall • Rochester
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Minnesota Pollution Control Agency
December 9, 1997
The Honorable Joy Tierney
Mayor, City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, Minnesota 55447-1482
Dear Mayor Tierney:
Enclosed is Permit Number 21574 for the construction and operation of a sanitary sewer
extension system to be located in Plymouth, Minnesota.
Please carefully review the permit, including any Special Conditions, General Conditions
(No. 1-20) and information relative to plans and the permit application. Please let us
know if you have any questions regarding these documents. If you do have questions, you
may contact me at the address listed below or call me at (612) 296-7762. If you like, you
may also use our toll free number, which is 1-800-657-3864.
Since ely,
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Donald K. Perwien, P.E., Staff Engineer
Compliance Unit 1
Point Source Compliance Section
Water Quality Division
DKP:gar
Enclosures: Sewer Extension Permit
General Conditions
cc: City Council c/o Dwight Johnson, City Manager
Fred Moore, Director of Public Works
McCombs, Frank, Roos Associates, Inc.
Metropolitan Council - Environmental Services c/o Don Bluhm
Metropolitan Council - Environmental Services c% Marcel Jouseau
520 Lafayette Rd. N.; St. Paul, MN 55155-4194; (612) 296-6300 (Voice); (612) 282-5332 (TTY)
Regional Offices: Duluth • Brainerd • Detroit Lakes • Marshall • Rochester
Equal Opportunity Employer • Printed on recycled paper containing at least 20% fibers from paper recycled by consumers.
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Minnesota Pollution Control Agency
PERMIT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF
A DISPOSAL SYSTEM
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
Hennepin County
Pursuant to authorization by the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency (MPCA), and in
accordance with the provisions of Minn. Stat. chs. 115 and 116, plans are approved and a
permit is hereby granted to the above -referenced Permittee for the construction and
operation of a sanitary sewer extension in Plymouth, Minnesota.
The facilities will consist of 2,353 linear feet of 6 -inch and 8 -inch -inch sanitary sewer pipe
including 485 linear feet of 4 -inch diameter forcemain and a lift station equipped with two
submersible pumps.
The facilities are further described in MPCA approved standard specifications and plans
designated as:
"Conor Meadows Plat Two, Utility and Street Improvements" received October 27, 1997,
prepared by McCombs, Frank, Roos Associates, Inc. for the city of Plymouth.
It is the Permittee's responsibility to assure compliance with any special conditions and the
general conditions that are required by this permit. This includes taking all necessary
measures needed to comply, including, but not limited to, the notification of contractors or
others who may be carrying out this work.
PERMIT NUMBER: 21574
DATED: December 9 ; 1997
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Douglas A. Hall, Supervisor
Permits/Technical Review Unit
Point Source Compliance Section
Water Quality Division
520 Lafayette Rd. N.; St. Paul, MN 55155-4194; (612) 296-6300 (Voice); (612) 282-5332 (TTY)
Regional Offices: Duluth - Brainerd - Detroit Lakes - Marshall - Rochester
Equal Opportunity Employer - Printed on recycled paper containing at least 20% fibers from paper recycled by consumers.
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Minnesota Pollution Control Agency
PERMIT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF
A DISPOSAL SYSTEM
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
Hennepin County
Pursuant to authorization by the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency (MPCA), and in
accordance with the provisions of Minn. Stat. chs. 115 and 116, plans are approved and a
permit is hereby granted to the above -referenced Permittee for the construction and
operation of a sanitary sewer extension in Plymouth, Minnesota.
The facilities will consist of 2,353 linear feet of 6 -inch and 8 -inch -inch sanitary sewer pipe
including 485 linear feet of 4 -inch diameter forcemain and a lift station equipped with two
submersible pumps.
The facilities are further described in MPCA approved standard specifications and plans
designated as:
"Conor Meadows Plat Two, Utility and Street Improvements" received October 27, 1997,
prepared by McCombs, Frank, Roos Associates, Inc. for the city of Plymouth.
It is the Permittee's responsibility to assure compliance with any special conditions and the
general conditions that are required by this permit. This includes taking all necessary
measures needed to comply, including, but not limited to, the notification of contractors or
others who may be carrying out this work.
PERMIT NUMBER: 21574
DATED: December 9 ; 1997
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Douglas A. Hall, Supervisor
Permits/Technical Review Unit
Point Source Compliance Section
Water Quality Division
520 Lafayette Rd. N.; St. Paul, MN 55155-4194; (612) 296-6300 (Voice); (612) 282-5332 (TTY)
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CAMPBELL KNUTSON�
Professional Association
Attorneys at Law
Thomas J. Campbell
Roger N. Knutson
Thomas M. Scott
Elliott B. Knetsch
Suesan Lea Pace
Mr. Mark Rossow
Senior Claim Supervisor
Berkley Risk Services, Inc.
145 University Avenue West
St. Paul, MN 55103-2044
(612) 452-5000
Fax (612) 452-5550
Writer's Direct Dial: 234-6218
December 4, 1997
Re: Don D. Myron v. City of Plymouth
Our File No. 3268/46
Dear Mark:
Joel J. Jamnik
Andrea McDowell Poehler
Matthew K. Brokl*
John F. Kelly
Matthew J. Foli
Marguerite M. McCarron
George T. Stephenson
'Also licensed in Wisconsin
Of Counsel:
Rk •' ` `
Gary G. Fuchs
nFr
We have received notice that the oral argument before the Minnesota Supreme
Court on this matter is scheduled for Wednesday, January 14, 1998 at 9:00 a.m.
Please call if you have any questions. I will report to you after the oral
argument on January 14th.
Best regards,
CAMPBELL KNUTSON
Professional Association
By: l S /
Tho as M. Scott
TMS:cjh
cc: Ms. Anne Hurlburt
Mr. Joe Ryan
Mr. Bob Pemberton
Mr. Dwight Johnson
45846
Suite 317 9 Eagandale Office Center 0 1380 Corporate Center Curve 9 Eagan, MN 55121
CAMPBELL KNUTSON�
Professional Association
Attorneys at Law
Thomas J. Campbell
Roger N. Knutson
Thomas M. Scott
Elliott B. Knetsch
Suesan Lea Pace
Mr. Mark Rossow
Senior Claim Supervisor
Berkley Risk Services, Inc.
145 University Avenue West
St. Paul, MN 55103-2044
(612) 452-5000
Fax (612) 452-5550
Writer's Direct Dial: 234-6218
December 4, 1997
Re: Don D. Myron v. City of Plymouth
Our File No. 3268/46
Dear Mark:
Joel J. Jamnik
Andrea McDowell Poehler
Matthew K. Brokl*
John F. Kelly
Matthew J. Foli
Marguerite M. McCarron
George T. Stephenson
'Also licensed in Wisconsin
Of Counsel:
Rk •' ` `
Gary G. Fuchs
nFr
We have received notice that the oral argument before the Minnesota Supreme
Court on this matter is scheduled for Wednesday, January 14, 1998 at 9:00 a.m.
Please call if you have any questions. I will report to you after the oral
argument on January 14th.
Best regards,
CAMPBELL KNUTSON
Professional Association
By: l S /
Tho as M. Scott
TMS:cjh
cc: Ms. Anne Hurlburt
Mr. Joe Ryan
Mr. Bob Pemberton
Mr. Dwight Johnson
45846
Suite 317 9 Eagandale Office Center 0 1380 Corporate Center Curve 9 Eagan, MN 55121
CITY OF
PLYMOUTI-F
December 10, 1997
Honorable Daniel H. Mabley
Chief Judge
Fourth Judicial District Court
Hennepin County Government Center
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55487
Dear Judge Mabley,
The Plymouth Charter Commission is pleased to present to you the annual report
of its activities during 1997, pursuant to Minnesota Statutes 410.05, Subd. 2. During
1997, the Charter Commission dealt with two issues. The Commission's annual meeting
was held on December 2, 1997.
Amendment Requiring Supermajority Vote for Tax Rate Increase. The Charter
Commission met three times during 1997 to discuss the proposed charter amendment
which would require a supermajority vote of the city council for a tax rate increase. The
amendment is slated for the November 1998 ballot. The Charter Commission opposes
the amendment in its current form, but is interested in discussing possible alternatives
with the Plymouth City Council.
Charter Commission Terms of Office. With your assistance, the terms of charter
commission members were adjusted to comply with state law. Five new members joined
the Plymouth Charter Commission during the summer of 1997. An orientation session
was held for them by city staff and current commission members.
PLYMOUTH A Beautifiuf Pface To Live
3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD • PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447-1482 • TELEPHONE (612) 509-5000
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CITY OF
PLYMOUTI-F
December 10, 1997
Honorable Daniel H. Mabley
Chief Judge
Fourth Judicial District Court
Hennepin County Government Center
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55487
Dear Judge Mabley,
The Plymouth Charter Commission is pleased to present to you the annual report
of its activities during 1997, pursuant to Minnesota Statutes 410.05, Subd. 2. During
1997, the Charter Commission dealt with two issues. The Commission's annual meeting
was held on December 2, 1997.
Amendment Requiring Supermajority Vote for Tax Rate Increase. The Charter
Commission met three times during 1997 to discuss the proposed charter amendment
which would require a supermajority vote of the city council for a tax rate increase. The
amendment is slated for the November 1998 ballot. The Charter Commission opposes
the amendment in its current form, but is interested in discussing possible alternatives
with the Plymouth City Council.
Charter Commission Terms of Office. With your assistance, the terms of charter
commission members were adjusted to comply with state law. Five new members joined
the Plymouth Charter Commission during the summer of 1997. An orientation session
was held for them by city staff and current commission members.
PLYMOUTH A Beautifiuf Pface To Live
3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD • PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447-1482 • TELEPHONE (612) 509-5000
@PW --*WP " www.d.plymouth.mmus
The 1998 officers of the Plymouth Charter Commission are Robert Sipkins, Chairman;
Ellie Singer, Vice Chairman; Terry Donovan, Secretary.
Thank you for your guidance and assistance, and we look forward to working with you in
the coming year.
Sincerely,
V IY iI �!l�nG��1w
Virgil Schneider
Chairman, Plymouth Charter Commission
The 1998 officers of the Plymouth Charter Commission are Robert Sipkins, Chairman;
Ellie Singer, Vice Chairman; Terry Donovan, Secretary.
Thank you for your guidance and assistance, and we look forward to working with you in
the coming year.
Sincerely,
V IY iI �!l�nG��1w
Virgil Schneider
Chairman, Plymouth Charter Commission
City of Plymouth
Public Safety
Advisory Board
Minutes of Meeting
November 20, 1997
7:00 p.m.
Present at the meeting were Councilmember Saundra Spigner, City Manager
Dwight Johnson, Citizen Representatives Ed Albro, Dan Freese, Charlie Honke,
Cathy Kaufman, and Janet Perrin, staff representatives Public Safety Director Craig
Gerdes, Police Sgt. Mike Goldstein, Firefighter Chris Dore, and recording secretary,
Public Safety Tech Svcs Supervisor Barb Cox.
Councilmembers Christian Preus and Tim Bildsoe were unable to attend.
As this was the first meeting with the new citizen representatives, Director Gerdes
informed them that Councilmember Preus is the current Chair of this group and
Gerdes is the Vice -Chair. In Preus' absence, Gerdes will be chairing this meeting.
The meeting was called to order at 7:08 p.m.
Gerdes asked that first we go around the room and introduce ourselves for the
benefit of all the new members.
The next item on the agenda was a request for consideration by the Mayor of a
possible public education campaign to get people to voluntarily slow down to 25
mph, especially in residential neighborhoods. Gerdes and Johnson gave background
information for the group on this issue. Gerdes noted that in a citizen survey that
was completed residential speeding was the top concern. He added that the Police
Department added a special Traffic Enforcement Unit just to deal with this problem.
Johnson added that the City receives requests from neighborhoods for some type
of speed controls very often. He noted that methods used to assist with these
problems have included some Public Safety answers, some Engineering, and some
educational. Some of the Engineering answers include speed humps, traffic circles,
curves, and stop signs.
Both noted that the City cannot control speed limits as they are set by the State.
The process involves requesting traffic studies done on the roadway. After the
study is conducted, the State uses a system called the 85"' percentile, meaning
that 85% of the drivers go that speed or less on the roadway. Johnson noted this
can be dangerous because in some instances the speed has actually gone up. He
noted that in some special circumstances we can do some things; for example, in
one neighborhood we painted a trail on the edge of the roadway which is one case
where the City can lower the speed limit form 30 to 25. Although in this case the
City of Plymouth
Public Safety
Advisory Board
Minutes of Meeting
November 20, 1997
7:00 p.m.
Present at the meeting were Councilmember Saundra Spigner, City Manager
Dwight Johnson, Citizen Representatives Ed Albro, Dan Freese, Charlie Honke,
Cathy Kaufman, and Janet Perrin, staff representatives Public Safety Director Craig
Gerdes, Police Sgt. Mike Goldstein, Firefighter Chris Dore, and recording secretary,
Public Safety Tech Svcs Supervisor Barb Cox.
Councilmembers Christian Preus and Tim Bildsoe were unable to attend.
As this was the first meeting with the new citizen representatives, Director Gerdes
informed them that Councilmember Preus is the current Chair of this group and
Gerdes is the Vice -Chair. In Preus' absence, Gerdes will be chairing this meeting.
The meeting was called to order at 7:08 p.m.
Gerdes asked that first we go around the room and introduce ourselves for the
benefit of all the new members.
The next item on the agenda was a request for consideration by the Mayor of a
possible public education campaign to get people to voluntarily slow down to 25
mph, especially in residential neighborhoods. Gerdes and Johnson gave background
information for the group on this issue. Gerdes noted that in a citizen survey that
was completed residential speeding was the top concern. He added that the Police
Department added a special Traffic Enforcement Unit just to deal with this problem.
Johnson added that the City receives requests from neighborhoods for some type
of speed controls very often. He noted that methods used to assist with these
problems have included some Public Safety answers, some Engineering, and some
educational. Some of the Engineering answers include speed humps, traffic circles,
curves, and stop signs.
Both noted that the City cannot control speed limits as they are set by the State.
The process involves requesting traffic studies done on the roadway. After the
study is conducted, the State uses a system called the 85"' percentile, meaning
that 85% of the drivers go that speed or less on the roadway. Johnson noted this
can be dangerous because in some instances the speed has actually gone up. He
noted that in some special circumstances we can do some things; for example, in
one neighborhood we painted a trail on the edge of the roadway which is one case
where the City can lower the speed limit form 30 to 25. Although in this case the
City conducted speed studies before and after the trail was implemented and the
actual speed on the roadway did not change. Gerdes stated that we have found
that in order to make an impact on speed we need to do zero tolerance ticketing or
major educational campaign. Johnson added that one of our educational efforts is
the sign we place around the City that shows your actual speed compared to the
speed limit.
Kaufman stated she had a question on the type of educational campaign we would
have. She asked if it would educate on the dangers of speed. If so, she noted we
would need to have examples of 30 versus 25 mph dangers. Gerdes stated the
campaign could talk about dangers or advantages. Albro asked if it is legal or
proper to do this. Gerdes answered that this proposal is two -fold. The City is
supporting legal action through the Minnesota League of Cities to lobby to change
the speed limit legally from 30 to 25 in residential areas state-wide. This program
would be non -enforceable and we would not involve ourselves in lobbying with the
legislature. He noted in our original discussions on this issue there was discussion
about posting 25 mph speed limit signs. He stated the Police Department will not
do this as he has an issue with posting signs that are not enforceable.
Honke stated he had an idea and a question on this issue. He stated in the past
there was a program where a group put some green ribbons on speed signs for
some reason. He stated perhaps this program could include putting yellow ribbons
on signs because yellow indicates caution and could go along with slowing down.
His question is how we would measure the success of the program. He stated he
feels it is important to have some measurable device to study the success of any
program. He wondered if a measure would be that less people were bringing
concerns to the City Council.
Perrin asked if there have been other communities that have had success with this
program. She noted specifically she has seen "Think 25" signs in Wisconsin.
Gerdes stated we are not aware of anyone using this program in Minnesota and are
unsure of any success. Goldstein noted the City of Minnetonka has several 25 mph
zones and we should check with them to see what they are doing.
Freese asked if we have a profile as to who the offenders are. He noted in order
for the campaign to be successful, we should target the individuals who are the
most likely to offend without spending a lot of City dollars. He added that he
believes teenagers and young adults could be the most likely offenders. Perrin
agreed that most of the time in her neighborhood it is the teenagers and young
adults who are speeding. Goldstein stated in the Police Department's experience it
is usually that case when we work neighborhood areas the most likely offenders are
the individuals that live in the neighborhood; although it is often their perception
that it is people cutting through their neighborhood that is the problem. Gerdes
added that when we work an area at least 60 to 70% of the tickets issued go to
individuals that live directly in that neighborhood.
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City conducted speed studies before and after the trail was implemented and the
actual speed on the roadway did not change. Gerdes stated that we have found
that in order to make an impact on speed we need to do zero tolerance ticketing or
major educational campaign. Johnson added that one of our educational efforts is
the sign we place around the City that shows your actual speed compared to the
speed limit.
Kaufman stated she had a question on the type of educational campaign we would
have. She asked if it would educate on the dangers of speed. If so, she noted we
would need to have examples of 30 versus 25 mph dangers. Gerdes stated the
campaign could talk about dangers or advantages. Albro asked if it is legal or
proper to do this. Gerdes answered that this proposal is two -fold. The City is
supporting legal action through the Minnesota League of Cities to lobby to change
the speed limit legally from 30 to 25 in residential areas state-wide. This program
would be non -enforceable and we would not involve ourselves in lobbying with the
legislature. He noted in our original discussions on this issue there was discussion
about posting 25 mph speed limit signs. He stated the Police Department will not
do this as he has an issue with posting signs that are not enforceable.
Honke stated he had an idea and a question on this issue. He stated in the past
there was a program where a group put some green ribbons on speed signs for
some reason. He stated perhaps this program could include putting yellow ribbons
on signs because yellow indicates caution and could go along with slowing down.
His question is how we would measure the success of the program. He stated he
feels it is important to have some measurable device to study the success of any
program. He wondered if a measure would be that less people were bringing
concerns to the City Council.
Perrin asked if there have been other communities that have had success with this
program. She noted specifically she has seen "Think 25" signs in Wisconsin.
Gerdes stated we are not aware of anyone using this program in Minnesota and are
unsure of any success. Goldstein noted the City of Minnetonka has several 25 mph
zones and we should check with them to see what they are doing.
Freese asked if we have a profile as to who the offenders are. He noted in order
for the campaign to be successful, we should target the individuals who are the
most likely to offend without spending a lot of City dollars. He added that he
believes teenagers and young adults could be the most likely offenders. Perrin
agreed that most of the time in her neighborhood it is the teenagers and young
adults who are speeding. Goldstein stated in the Police Department's experience it
is usually that case when we work neighborhood areas the most likely offenders are
the individuals that live in the neighborhood; although it is often their perception
that it is people cutting through their neighborhood that is the problem. Gerdes
added that when we work an area at least 60 to 70% of the tickets issued go to
individuals that live directly in that neighborhood.
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Albro inquired whether the program would target a particular location or be city-
wide or if that has been quantified.
Councilmember Spigner arrived at 7:30 p.m.
Johnson noted that the City does speed studies on areas of concern that come up.
A lot of the problems are not quantified, but some have been shown in the speed
studies to be in the 36-37 mph range. A complaint we often get is that there is too
much "cut through" traffic. Gerdes stated he believes the purpose of this group is
to evaluate the proposal as an overall city-wide project and then do projects within
neighborhoods having problems. He stated we need to decide what we want to do
and how we should do it and the Council will likely accept our recommendation.
Spigner added that the group should know this is not a directive from the Council
and the group can decide we should not do anything with the project.
Kaufman stated on the educational issue, if "Think 25" is voluntary, people will ask
why should they. We need to be able to say is it safer and it should be some
compelling reason that would affect them. Dore added the safety of kids playing in
the neighborhood is a good reason that would affect most. Spigner added that
often our extensive trail system connects going across streets and there are not
many sidewalks and there are hidden driveways with curves and all of these could
be used as safety issues.
Perrin noted if we are looking for a neighborhood to try something out on hers may
be a good one as she lives behind Armstrong High School and there is also a new
trail. She stated there is a lot of traffic after school and at lunch when they have
open campus. Freese added we could work with the school to make it a school
project to make a "Drive 25" tape that could be shown on Cable 25 and in the
school in conjunction with the program. Perrin noted they could use it in
conjunction with their driver's education program in the high school.
Goldstein noted the Mayor could address the issue in her monthly message column
in the newsletter. He stated he would like to see the program city-wide rather than
in one neighborhood. He also added there is no sound way to measure the success
of the program as you cannot measure how many people are not speeding because
of the program.
Gerdes stated he would like to take all the suggestions and put them together and
have the Public Safety Education Specialist put some framework around a possible
program. He added that he believes this should be a spring program rather than
this time of year, so he would suggest bringing the issue back with the education
proposal again in February for further review targeting a spring program. Johnson
added that we do not have to use the "Think 25" slogan but can just do a speed
campaign to get people to be conscious of the speed limit and not exceed it and
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Albro inquired whether the program would target a particular location or be city-
wide or if that has been quantified.
Councilmember Spigner arrived at 7:30 p.m.
Johnson noted that the City does speed studies on areas of concern that come up.
A lot of the problems are not quantified, but some have been shown in the speed
studies to be in the 36-37 mph range. A complaint we often get is that there is too
much "cut through" traffic. Gerdes stated he believes the purpose of this group is
to evaluate the proposal as an overall city-wide project and then do projects within
neighborhoods having problems. He stated we need to decide what we want to do
and how we should do it and the Council will likely accept our recommendation.
Spigner added that the group should know this is not a directive from the Council
and the group can decide we should not do anything with the project.
Kaufman stated on the educational issue, if "Think 25" is voluntary, people will ask
why should they. We need to be able to say is it safer and it should be some
compelling reason that would affect them. Dore added the safety of kids playing in
the neighborhood is a good reason that would affect most. Spigner added that
often our extensive trail system connects going across streets and there are not
many sidewalks and there are hidden driveways with curves and all of these could
be used as safety issues.
Perrin noted if we are looking for a neighborhood to try something out on hers may
be a good one as she lives behind Armstrong High School and there is also a new
trail. She stated there is a lot of traffic after school and at lunch when they have
open campus. Freese added we could work with the school to make it a school
project to make a "Drive 25" tape that could be shown on Cable 25 and in the
school in conjunction with the program. Perrin noted they could use it in
conjunction with their driver's education program in the high school.
Goldstein noted the Mayor could address the issue in her monthly message column
in the newsletter. He stated he would like to see the program city-wide rather than
in one neighborhood. He also added there is no sound way to measure the success
of the program as you cannot measure how many people are not speeding because
of the program.
Gerdes stated he would like to take all the suggestions and put them together and
have the Public Safety Education Specialist put some framework around a possible
program. He added that he believes this should be a spring program rather than
this time of year, so he would suggest bringing the issue back with the education
proposal again in February for further review targeting a spring program. Johnson
added that we do not have to use the "Think 25" slogan but can just do a speed
campaign to get people to be conscious of the speed limit and not exceed it and
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ask them to pay special care in their own neighborhood. Gerdes closed discussion
on the subject and asked for general consensus to move the issue forward with the
ideas suggested and bring back with a proposed campaign in February. All agreed.
The next item on the agenda was discussion of the City's animal ordinance. Freese
stated his first question is what are the enforcement issues with this. Gerdes
noted the review of the ordinance items came from requests from several areas
including City Council, Planning Commission, citizens, and staff. Johnson and
Spigner stated we should check the Council minutes to determine exactly what the
Council directive on this issue was.
Spigner stated part of her concern is currently we have a limit of two dogs, but
there is no limit on cats. She believes the limit should be three dogs and three cats
and that we need to deal with all issues at the same time and not separate them.
Goldstein agreed that issues should all be dealt with at once. He added that we
need to continue working on the issue and stay with the timetable set as we have
several people waiting for answers on this issue. Honke asked what the problem
with the number of animals is and why we would want to regulate it at all. Freese
noted there is a large health issue with large numbers of animals and there needs to
be some regulation.
Spigner added there are also health and nuisance problems with cats running loose
through the City. Perrin added there is a large health issue with cat fecal matter,
especially in pregnant women.
Gerdes stated in relation to the regulation of the number of animals, it can become
a nuisance issue with barking and damage to property with large number of animals
also. He stated the issue is finding the right limit. Johnson stated one of the
alternatives we have discussed is allowing an option for additional animals with a
process something like a conditional use permit. Kaufman asked if this group
suggests something like a review process would the City be able to maintain the
program. Gerdes noted that we list all calls in our computer and checking on the
history could easily be done now. He noted the process could lead to a budgetary
request for additional CSO assistance to keep up with the process, but we have
much of the process in place now and can provide this type of service.
Kaufman stated she would like to see some definite controls in place, but we would
need to decide if there would be no exceptions or what the exceptions would be
and in what conditions. Goldstein stated the problem with exceptions is how to
enforce them. He added we would not want the burden of annual inspections, but
agreed that the current limit of two dogs is too low. Perrin suggested there could
be a requirement they could not have more than the limit if they had more than a
certain number of violations within a year. Dore asked what we do now for
violations. Goldstein noted we have a process involving warnings and citations.
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ask them to pay special care in their own neighborhood. Gerdes closed discussion
on the subject and asked for general consensus to move the issue forward with the
ideas suggested and bring back with a proposed campaign in February. All agreed.
The next item on the agenda was discussion of the City's animal ordinance. Freese
stated his first question is what are the enforcement issues with this. Gerdes
noted the review of the ordinance items came from requests from several areas
including City Council, Planning Commission, citizens, and staff. Johnson and
Spigner stated we should check the Council minutes to determine exactly what the
Council directive on this issue was.
Spigner stated part of her concern is currently we have a limit of two dogs, but
there is no limit on cats. She believes the limit should be three dogs and three cats
and that we need to deal with all issues at the same time and not separate them.
Goldstein agreed that issues should all be dealt with at once. He added that we
need to continue working on the issue and stay with the timetable set as we have
several people waiting for answers on this issue. Honke asked what the problem
with the number of animals is and why we would want to regulate it at all. Freese
noted there is a large health issue with large numbers of animals and there needs to
be some regulation.
Spigner added there are also health and nuisance problems with cats running loose
through the City. Perrin added there is a large health issue with cat fecal matter,
especially in pregnant women.
Gerdes stated in relation to the regulation of the number of animals, it can become
a nuisance issue with barking and damage to property with large number of animals
also. He stated the issue is finding the right limit. Johnson stated one of the
alternatives we have discussed is allowing an option for additional animals with a
process something like a conditional use permit. Kaufman asked if this group
suggests something like a review process would the City be able to maintain the
program. Gerdes noted that we list all calls in our computer and checking on the
history could easily be done now. He noted the process could lead to a budgetary
request for additional CSO assistance to keep up with the process, but we have
much of the process in place now and can provide this type of service.
Kaufman stated she would like to see some definite controls in place, but we would
need to decide if there would be no exceptions or what the exceptions would be
and in what conditions. Goldstein stated the problem with exceptions is how to
enforce them. He added we would not want the burden of annual inspections, but
agreed that the current limit of two dogs is too low. Perrin suggested there could
be a requirement they could not have more than the limit if they had more than a
certain number of violations within a year. Dore asked what we do now for
violations. Goldstein noted we have a process involving warnings and citations.
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Gerdes added that we have an extensive program currently in place regarding dog
bite situations and that is working good and we would not like to see any changes
to that process. He also stated that we would like the changes to include reducing
the cost of the licenses and working with veterinarians to provide cost effective
vaccination clinics.
Kaufmann suggested the number of animals allowed could be tied to the amount of
land the owner has as it made sense someone with five acres could have more than
three dogs. Perrin and Johnson both stated they agreed that made some sense.
Gerdes stated we need to establish a number and no exceptions would be the
easiest to enforce; however we could have some type of process which would
allow exceptions. We need to look at whether that is reasonable.
Albro noted he likes the current number of two dogs as the City has a historical
basis for that number. He does think cats should be in the same category and
shared an animal ordinance he obtained over the internet from a city in California.
Honke suggested we limit the number of pets; for example instead of 2 dogs and 2
cats allowing 4 animals. He stated he could see individuals saying they are allowed
2 dogs and 2 cats, but they want 3 dogs instead. Johnson stated he believes cats
and dogs are different and should be separate. Freese agreed.
There was a discussion regarding problems with cat licensing in that often owners
believe their cats cannot wear collars. Gerdes noted there is an electronic option
now in the "chips" which can be implanted and then used to identify owners of
pets. Kaufman asked if we could also arrange for a company to come and be
available to chip animals at a special cost similar to the vaccination clinic.
Goldstein asked if there is anyone who wants to separate issues regarding this
ordinance or if everyone feels we should do them all together. Gerdes moved that
we proceed with all animal issues at once. Motion seconded by Perrin. Spigner,
Albro, Honke, Kaufman, Perrin, Johnson, Gerdes, Goldstein, and Dore voted in
favor. Freese voted against. Motion carried.
Gerdes stated looking at our timetable this issue also calls for public meetings in
January. He noted we need some framework for how to conduct these meetings.
He stated we could give a draft proposal, but this usually shuts down discussions
and causes anger. Honke stated the timeline states Ward meetings, do these need
to be by Ward? Johnson stated at the time we had the discussion we were looking
at doing Ward meetings anyway and were going to have this as one item for
discussion at these, but they do not need to be by Ward for any reason. Gerdes
stated he would suggest we look at one or two meetings, possibly one day and one
night meeting. Albro stated he would like to see a matrix of what other cities have,
including leash laws, penalties, and number restrictions before these meetings.
Gerdes stated we would provide this information to the group.
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Gerdes added that we have an extensive program currently in place regarding dog
bite situations and that is working good and we would not like to see any changes
to that process. He also stated that we would like the changes to include reducing
the cost of the licenses and working with veterinarians to provide cost effective
vaccination clinics.
Kaufmann suggested the number of animals allowed could be tied to the amount of
land the owner has as it made sense someone with five acres could have more than
three dogs. Perrin and Johnson both stated they agreed that made some sense.
Gerdes stated we need to establish a number and no exceptions would be the
easiest to enforce; however we could have some type of process which would
allow exceptions. We need to look at whether that is reasonable.
Albro noted he likes the current number of two dogs as the City has a historical
basis for that number. He does think cats should be in the same category and
shared an animal ordinance he obtained over the internet from a city in California.
Honke suggested we limit the number of pets; for example instead of 2 dogs and 2
cats allowing 4 animals. He stated he could see individuals saying they are allowed
2 dogs and 2 cats, but they want 3 dogs instead. Johnson stated he believes cats
and dogs are different and should be separate. Freese agreed.
There was a discussion regarding problems with cat licensing in that often owners
believe their cats cannot wear collars. Gerdes noted there is an electronic option
now in the "chips" which can be implanted and then used to identify owners of
pets. Kaufman asked if we could also arrange for a company to come and be
available to chip animals at a special cost similar to the vaccination clinic.
Goldstein asked if there is anyone who wants to separate issues regarding this
ordinance or if everyone feels we should do them all together. Gerdes moved that
we proceed with all animal issues at once. Motion seconded by Perrin. Spigner,
Albro, Honke, Kaufman, Perrin, Johnson, Gerdes, Goldstein, and Dore voted in
favor. Freese voted against. Motion carried.
Gerdes stated looking at our timetable this issue also calls for public meetings in
January. He noted we need some framework for how to conduct these meetings.
He stated we could give a draft proposal, but this usually shuts down discussions
and causes anger. Honke stated the timeline states Ward meetings, do these need
to be by Ward? Johnson stated at the time we had the discussion we were looking
at doing Ward meetings anyway and were going to have this as one item for
discussion at these, but they do not need to be by Ward for any reason. Gerdes
stated he would suggest we look at one or two meetings, possibly one day and one
night meeting. Albro stated he would like to see a matrix of what other cities have,
including leash laws, penalties, and number restrictions before these meetings.
Gerdes stated we would provide this information to the group.
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Albro added with regard to the public meetings, he agreed that if you come with
partially completed documents people are angry and discussions do not go well. He
suggested we compile some type of questionnaire or survey for them to return.
Johnson stated we did a citizen survey in 1996 that included some animal issues
and this group should also receive that information. Gerdes stated we will put that
information together with the matrix to get out to the Advisory Board members.
Albro stated he is still unsure what the issues are. Perrin noted there is an issues
sheet which lists them all. Honke stated he likes the questionnaire option and
would like to proceed along those lines. Gerdes agreed the questionnaire sounds
like a good idea. He stated we will provide the matrix and draft questionnaire for
the group's review and we can finalize it at our next meeting. We can then stay
with the timeline and put the questionnaire in the January newsletter that gets
delivered to all homes. He noted there are other animal issues and/or concerns
that could come up, including wild animal issues such as deer and geese. Cox
noted we did a recent questionnaire in the deer hunt zone and got good response
by allowing people to respond by mail, by phone (voicemail box), by fax, or over
the internet (e-mail). Spigner clarified that our goal is then to have our survey in
the January newsletter.
Gerdes stated this then completed the issues we have on the agenda. As he does
with his staff, he would like to go around the table and see if anyone has any
issues for discussion or questions. Goldstein stated he had nothing.
Freese stated he read in the Lakeshore Weekly News the City has contracted with
the State for labor from the workhouse for in our parks and the ice center. He
stated he is very concerned with this. Spigner clarified that the labor force is not
form the workhouse, but is from Lino Lakes. She added the program has been
working for 18 months with no incidents. She noted these are individuals who are
minimum security risks and no threat to the public. Gerdes added that this issue is
a City Council issue and has not been assigned to this group. By our mission
statement, it is not ours to deal with as it is being handled directly by the Council.
Spigner stated she would like to take this opportunity to state she has received a
lot of positive feedback regarding Sgt. Goldstein and would like to take this
opportunity to say that he is doing a great job and she has heard from citizens and
co-workers alike a lot of information putting him in a very positive light.
Johnson noted that this group has dealt with issues regarding recruitment for the
Fire Department in the past and will again in the future, so he wanted to mention
the Fire Department is getting involved with the Twin West Chamber to assist with
recruiting daytime response firefighters out of the business community. Perrin
asked what kind of training requirements there were for firefighters and Dore
explained the basic training requirements.
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Albro added with regard to the public meetings, he agreed that if you come with
partially completed documents people are angry and discussions do not go well. He
suggested we compile some type of questionnaire or survey for them to return.
Johnson stated we did a citizen survey in 1996 that included some animal issues
and this group should also receive that information. Gerdes stated we will put that
information together with the matrix to get out to the Advisory Board members.
Albro stated he is still unsure what the issues are. Perrin noted there is an issues
sheet which lists them all. Honke stated he likes the questionnaire option and
would like to proceed along those lines. Gerdes agreed the questionnaire sounds
like a good idea. He stated we will provide the matrix and draft questionnaire for
the group's review and we can finalize it at our next meeting. We can then stay
with the timeline and put the questionnaire in the January newsletter that gets
delivered to all homes. He noted there are other animal issues and/or concerns
that could come up, including wild animal issues such as deer and geese. Cox
noted we did a recent questionnaire in the deer hunt zone and got good response
by allowing people to respond by mail, by phone (voicemail box), by fax, or over
the internet (e-mail). Spigner clarified that our goal is then to have our survey in
the January newsletter.
Gerdes stated this then completed the issues we have on the agenda. As he does
with his staff, he would like to go around the table and see if anyone has any
issues for discussion or questions. Goldstein stated he had nothing.
Freese stated he read in the Lakeshore Weekly News the City has contracted with
the State for labor from the workhouse for in our parks and the ice center. He
stated he is very concerned with this. Spigner clarified that the labor force is not
form the workhouse, but is from Lino Lakes. She added the program has been
working for 18 months with no incidents. She noted these are individuals who are
minimum security risks and no threat to the public. Gerdes added that this issue is
a City Council issue and has not been assigned to this group. By our mission
statement, it is not ours to deal with as it is being handled directly by the Council.
Spigner stated she would like to take this opportunity to state she has received a
lot of positive feedback regarding Sgt. Goldstein and would like to take this
opportunity to say that he is doing a great job and she has heard from citizens and
co-workers alike a lot of information putting him in a very positive light.
Johnson noted that this group has dealt with issues regarding recruitment for the
Fire Department in the past and will again in the future, so he wanted to mention
the Fire Department is getting involved with the Twin West Chamber to assist with
recruiting daytime response firefighters out of the business community. Perrin
asked what kind of training requirements there were for firefighters and Dore
explained the basic training requirements.
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Albro stated he had no issues or comments.
Honke stated in reviewing our mission statement he noted one of the educational
components is carbon monoxide safety and wondered with the winter coming on, if
we are doing anything in particular. Gerdes stated we had done a major campaign
last year regarding smoke detectors and included carbon monoxide and greatly
reduced the number of false alarm calls we had received.
Kaufman noted on the issue of enhancing fire staffing, she had seen a fire truck
responding to a call that took a wrong turn. She stated she believes it is very
important that they are familiar with the area and this would help response.
Goldstein noted that the fire department's response time over the years has been
improving. He stated the police department has an easier time because they are
out there all the time driving through the area, but a big part of the problem in
Plymouth is all the cul-de-sacs. Dore added there could have been a couple of
things that caused her to see the wrong turn. He stated they may have been
responding to a call of smoke without an exact address. He added that we have
three fire stations within Plymouth and the firefighters assigned to each station
usually know their area very well, but if a truck from another station rolls to assist
for any reason they could make a wrong turn as they are not often in the other
areas.
Perrin added she had been told once to have a sheet laminated and keep by the
phone with directions to your own home on it in case you have visitors or a
babysitter who needs to call 9-1-1 and can help with directions. Dore noted that
our 9-1-1 dispatchers do have information in their computer and can tell what the
cross street is. He stated the sheet is a good idea for medical services and there
was discussion on including this idea with National Night Out.
Spigner moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:00 p.m. Motion seconded by Feese.
Approved unanimously.
Next meeting Thursday, December 18, 7:00 p.m. in the Public Safety Training
Room.
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Albro stated he had no issues or comments.
Honke stated in reviewing our mission statement he noted one of the educational
components is carbon monoxide safety and wondered with the winter coming on, if
we are doing anything in particular. Gerdes stated we had done a major campaign
last year regarding smoke detectors and included carbon monoxide and greatly
reduced the number of false alarm calls we had received.
Kaufman noted on the issue of enhancing fire staffing, she had seen a fire truck
responding to a call that took a wrong turn. She stated she believes it is very
important that they are familiar with the area and this would help response.
Goldstein noted that the fire department's response time over the years has been
improving. He stated the police department has an easier time because they are
out there all the time driving through the area, but a big part of the problem in
Plymouth is all the cul-de-sacs. Dore added there could have been a couple of
things that caused her to see the wrong turn. He stated they may have been
responding to a call of smoke without an exact address. He added that we have
three fire stations within Plymouth and the firefighters assigned to each station
usually know their area very well, but if a truck from another station rolls to assist
for any reason they could make a wrong turn as they are not often in the other
areas.
Perrin added she had been told once to have a sheet laminated and keep by the
phone with directions to your own home on it in case you have visitors or a
babysitter who needs to call 9-1-1 and can help with directions. Dore noted that
our 9-1-1 dispatchers do have information in their computer and can tell what the
cross street is. He stated the sheet is a good idea for medical services and there
was discussion on including this idea with National Night Out.
Spigner moved to adjourn the meeting at 9:00 p.m. Motion seconded by Feese.
Approved unanimously.
Next meeting Thursday, December 18, 7:00 p.m. in the Public Safety Training
Room.
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STEERING COMMITTEE
FOR THE CITIES OF THE
MINNEHAHA CREEK WATERSHED DISTRICT
Thursday, November 20, 1997
DRAFT MEETING NOTES
Attendees: Steering Committee Members:
Phil Zietlow, Councilmember, Medina
Terry Schwalbe, Project Coordinator, Wayzata
Ed Shukle, City Manager, Mound
Mike Eastling, Public Works Director, Richfield
Others:
Bill Goff, City of Victoria
Absent: Steering Committee Members:
Howard Bennis, Mayor, Deephaven
Fred Richards, Edina
1. Notes from the October 23, 1997 meeting were accepted without revision.
2. Bill Goff, City Planner for the City of Victoria, reported that Victoria is nominating
Jerome Keehr and possibly others from Victoria. Mike Eastling reported that
Richfield is nominating Ron Baumbach. Howard Bennis phoned while the meeting
was in progress to report that Deephaven is nominating Warren McNeil. Other
candidates are being considered in other cities.
The Steering Committee will be serving as a clearing house for candidates. Any
City or candidate can request that the Steering Committee endorse a candidate.
Candidates which are endorsed by the Steering Committee will have their names
forwarded to the cities of the District for endorsement consideration.
4. The next Steering Committee meeting will be held Thursday, December 11; 1997 at
the Minnetonka City Hall.
Prepared by: Michael J. Eastling, Richfield Public Works Director
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STEERING COMMITTEE
FOR THE CITIES OF THE
MINNEHAHA CREEK WATERSHED DISTRICT
Thursday, November 20, 1997
DRAFT MEETING NOTES
Attendees: Steering Committee Members:
Phil Zietlow, Councilmember, Medina
Terry Schwalbe, Project Coordinator, Wayzata
Ed Shukle, City Manager, Mound
Mike Eastling, Public Works Director, Richfield
Others:
Bill Goff, City of Victoria
Absent: Steering Committee Members:
Howard Bennis, Mayor, Deephaven
Fred Richards, Edina
1. Notes from the October 23, 1997 meeting were accepted without revision.
2. Bill Goff, City Planner for the City of Victoria, reported that Victoria is nominating
Jerome Keehr and possibly others from Victoria. Mike Eastling reported that
Richfield is nominating Ron Baumbach. Howard Bennis phoned while the meeting
was in progress to report that Deephaven is nominating Warren McNeil. Other
candidates are being considered in other cities.
The Steering Committee will be serving as a clearing house for candidates. Any
City or candidate can request that the Steering Committee endorse a candidate.
Candidates which are endorsed by the Steering Committee will have their names
forwarded to the cities of the District for endorsement consideration.
4. The next Steering Committee meeting will be held Thursday, December 11; 1997 at
the Minnetonka City Hall.
Prepared by: Michael J. Eastling, Richfield Public Works Director
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Minutes of the
City Officials and District 281 Social Studies Teachers
December 3, 1997
The purpose of this meeting was to have the District 281 teachers share information
about the curriculum content related to local government. Following that discussion
city officials and teachers "brainstormed" ideas for actions and collaborations that
would be helpful in teaching students about local government.
Following are the ideas which the group agreed to pursue:
1. Each City will determine one person to be the primary contact for teachers to
use to seek information and/or City personnel for use in the classroom. The
Cities will report who that person is at the next Superintendents Government
Advisory Committee in January, 1998 and send it to Gail Leipold who will
distribute it to teachers.
2. Several persons committed to develop a video on local government to be used
in the schools. They are Jerry Dulgar, Crystal City Manager, Judy Johnson,
Plymouth Council Member, and Gail Leipold, District 281 Social Studies
Curriculum Associate, and Paula Caron, Plymouth Middle School Teacher.
3. Cities would continue to respond to teacher requests for staff and/or elected
officials to talk to students in the school setting. There was time at the meeting
to establish several personal contact between teachers and City officials.
4. Develop a list of services or activity opportunities by cities for student
volunteers.
Some of the other ideas talked about were:
• Student/Local Government Fair.
• E-mail connections.
• City officials visit classes to observe what is going on.
• City web pages.
• Field trips to city offices etc., (transportation cost is a factor).
• An intern or shadowing program for students and/or teachers to work with a local
staff or elected official.
Attached is an agenda and a list of persons attending the meeting.
Minutes of the
City Officials and District 281 Social Studies Teachers
December 3, 1997
The purpose of this meeting was to have the District 281 teachers share information
about the curriculum content related to local government. Following that discussion
city officials and teachers "brainstormed" ideas for actions and collaborations that
would be helpful in teaching students about local government.
Following are the ideas which the group agreed to pursue:
1. Each City will determine one person to be the primary contact for teachers to
use to seek information and/or City personnel for use in the classroom. The
Cities will report who that person is at the next Superintendents Government
Advisory Committee in January, 1998 and send it to Gail Leipold who will
distribute it to teachers.
2. Several persons committed to develop a video on local government to be used
in the schools. They are Jerry Dulgar, Crystal City Manager, Judy Johnson,
Plymouth Council Member, and Gail Leipold, District 281 Social Studies
Curriculum Associate, and Paula Caron, Plymouth Middle School Teacher.
3. Cities would continue to respond to teacher requests for staff and/or elected
officials to talk to students in the school setting. There was time at the meeting
to establish several personal contact between teachers and City officials.
4. Develop a list of services or activity opportunities by cities for student
volunteers.
Some of the other ideas talked about were:
• Student/Local Government Fair.
• E-mail connections.
• City officials visit classes to observe what is going on.
• City web pages.
• Field trips to city offices etc., (transportation cost is a factor).
• An intern or shadowing program for students and/or teachers to work with a local
staff or elected official.
Attached is an agenda and a list of persons attending the meeting.
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area schools
INVOLVING STUDENTS IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT
A DL4GLOGUE BETWEENLOCAL CITY OFFICL4LSAND S0CL4L STUDIES TEACHERS
WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 3,1997
1:00-3:00
GOLDEN VALLEY CITY HALL
AGENDA
1. Welcome — Mary Anderson, mayor Golden Valley
2. Introductions/Background — Gail Leipold, curriculum associate
3. School board link with League of Minnesota Cities - Bev O'Connor, school
board
4. Current local government curriculum — Robbinsdale teachers
• Elementary
• Middle school
• High school
S. Local government suggestions and possibilities — city officials
6. Making connections/meeting needs
Education Service Center • 4148 Winnetka Ave. N. 9 New Hope MN 55427-1288 • (612) 504-8000 0 Fax: (612) 504-8973
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area schools
INVOLVING STUDENTS IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT
A DL4GLOGUE BETWEENLOCAL CITY OFFICL4LSAND S0CL4L STUDIES TEACHERS
WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 3,1997
1:00-3:00
GOLDEN VALLEY CITY HALL
AGENDA
1. Welcome — Mary Anderson, mayor Golden Valley
2. Introductions/Background — Gail Leipold, curriculum associate
3. School board link with League of Minnesota Cities - Bev O'Connor, school
board
4. Current local government curriculum — Robbinsdale teachers
• Elementary
• Middle school
• High school
S. Local government suggestions and possibilities — city officials
6. Making connections/meeting needs
Education Service Center • 4148 Winnetka Ave. N. 9 New Hope MN 55427-1288 • (612) 504-8000 0 Fax: (612) 504-8973
NAME SCHOOUCITY
Jerry Dulgar
City of Crystal
Mary Anderson
City of Golden Valley - Mayor
Shari French
City of New Hope
Kathy Lueckert
City of Plymouth
Judy Johnson
City of Plymouth - Council Member
Dennis Kraft
City of Robbinsdale
Andy Hoffe
Cooper Senior
Bev O'Connor
District - Board Member
Gail Leipold
District - Staff
Jenna Kubitshek-O'Brien
Forest
Lanny Orning
Highview Alternative Program
Terry Loushin
Hosterman Middle
Cheryl Tozer
Lakeview
Mark Quinn
Language Immersion
Ann Higgins
League of Minnesota Cities
Peter Eckhoff
Meadow Lake
Erik Thomly
Neill
Judy Helstrom
New Hope
Heidi Behnker
Noble
Bev DeValk
Pilgrim Lane
Paula Caron
Plymouth Middle
Amy Derwinski
Sandburg Middle
Sally Sarff
Sonnesyn
Deborah Quast
Sunny Hollow
Chris Ebner
Technical Learning Center
Beth Huntley
Zachary Lane
NAME SCHOOUCITY
Jerry Dulgar
City of Crystal
Mary Anderson
City of Golden Valley - Mayor
Shari French
City of New Hope
Kathy Lueckert
City of Plymouth
Judy Johnson
City of Plymouth - Council Member
Dennis Kraft
City of Robbinsdale
Andy Hoffe
Cooper Senior
Bev O'Connor
District - Board Member
Gail Leipold
District - Staff
Jenna Kubitshek-O'Brien
Forest
Lanny Orning
Highview Alternative Program
Terry Loushin
Hosterman Middle
Cheryl Tozer
Lakeview
Mark Quinn
Language Immersion
Ann Higgins
League of Minnesota Cities
Peter Eckhoff
Meadow Lake
Erik Thomly
Neill
Judy Helstrom
New Hope
Heidi Behnker
Noble
Bev DeValk
Pilgrim Lane
Paula Caron
Plymouth Middle
Amy Derwinski
Sandburg Middle
Sally Sarff
Sonnesyn
Deborah Quast
Sunny Hollow
Chris Ebner
Technical Learning Center
Beth Huntley
Zachary Lane
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
DECEMBER 9, 1997
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Michael Stulberg, Commissioners Allen Ribbe,
Kim Koehnen, Bob Stein, Jeff Thompson and Roger
Berkowitz
MEMBERS ABSENT: Commissioners John Stoebner and Roger Berkowitz
STAFF PRESENT: Community Development Director Anne Hurlburt,
Planning Supervisor Barb Senness, Planner Kendra
Lindahl, City Engineer Dan Faulkner, and Clerical
Supervisor Denise Hutt
1. CALL TO ORDER:
2. PUBLIC FORUM:
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA:
4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
MOTION by Commissioner Koehnen, seconded by Commissioner Stein recommending
approval of the November 25, 1997 Planning Commission Minutes. Vote. 5 ayes.
MOTION approved unanimously.
5. CONSENT AGENDA: No Items.
6. PUBLIC HEARINGS:
A. RYAN COMPANIES (97172)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Ryan Companies for a Site Plan and
Variance to construct a new 30,000 square foot office building for Employers
Association, Inc. located on 451h Avenue, east of Nathan Lane.
Planner Lindahl gave an overview of the December 4, 1997 staff report.
Commissioner Koehnen questioned if the comments made by the DNR in their letter
dated December 5, 1997 were taken into account since the staff report is dated December
4, 1997. Planner Lindahl responded affirmatively and explained that she spoke verbally
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
DECEMBER 9, 1997
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Michael Stulberg, Commissioners Allen Ribbe,
Kim Koehnen, Bob Stein, Jeff Thompson and Roger
Berkowitz
MEMBERS ABSENT: Commissioners John Stoebner and Roger Berkowitz
STAFF PRESENT: Community Development Director Anne Hurlburt,
Planning Supervisor Barb Senness, Planner Kendra
Lindahl, City Engineer Dan Faulkner, and Clerical
Supervisor Denise Hutt
1. CALL TO ORDER:
2. PUBLIC FORUM:
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA:
4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
MOTION by Commissioner Koehnen, seconded by Commissioner Stein recommending
approval of the November 25, 1997 Planning Commission Minutes. Vote. 5 ayes.
MOTION approved unanimously.
5. CONSENT AGENDA: No Items.
6. PUBLIC HEARINGS:
A. RYAN COMPANIES (97172)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Ryan Companies for a Site Plan and
Variance to construct a new 30,000 square foot office building for Employers
Association, Inc. located on 451h Avenue, east of Nathan Lane.
Planner Lindahl gave an overview of the December 4, 1997 staff report.
Commissioner Koehnen questioned if the comments made by the DNR in their letter
dated December 5, 1997 were taken into account since the staff report is dated December
4, 1997. Planner Lindahl responded affirmatively and explained that she spoke verbally
Planning Commission Minutes
December 9, 1997
Page #262
with the DNR to discuss issues and had all their information and concerns prior to
preparing the staff report.
Commissioner Stein asked what the percentage of impervious surface structural coverage
could be if it wasn't located in a shoreland district. Director Hurlburt replied that there is
no percentage.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Kent Carlson, the petitioner. Mr. Carlson thanked staff for
their help and concurred with the staff report.
Chairman Stulberg opened and closed the public hearing as there was no one present to
speak on the issue.
MOTION by Commissioner Koehnen, seconded by Commissioner Thompson
recommending approval of a Site Plan and Variance for Ryan Companies U.S. Inc. for
Employers Association, Inc. located on 45`h Avenue, east of Nathan Lane.
Roll Call Vote. 5 Ayes. MOTION approved unanimously.
Chairman Stulberg questioned if it would make sense for the City to remove Lost Creek
from the shoreland ordinance since it is not a true stream. Planner Lindahl responded that
staff is currently reviewing that option, but did not know if it would get DNR support.
The City requested that Lost Creek be removed from the shoreland district when the
shoreland ordinance was originally approved, but it did not get DNR support at that time.
Chairman Stulberg stated that if we can't control it since it is in a pipe, it shouldn't be in
the Ordinance and questioned how we remove it from the ordinance. Planning
Supervisor Senness replied that based on conversations, there may be a change in the
DNR's position, but we wouldn't want to go through the process if we can't get the
support. Director Hurlburt stated that we could initiate the change as a zoning ordinance
amendment. Commissioner Thompson agreed with Chairman Stulberg. Director
Hurlburt stated that maybe the next time we take on the shoreland district, we may want
to address this issue.
B. HANS HAGEN HOMES, INC. (97173)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Hans Hagen Homes, Inc. for a Planned Unit
Development (PUD) Amendment to increase the size of the berm on the south side of the
commercial PUD known as Plymouth Station. The portion of the berm proposed to
change lies between the west side of the site entrance at Dunkirk Lane and the alignment
of Garland Lane.
Planning Supervisor Senness gave an overview of the December 4, 1997 staff report.
Planning Commission Minutes
December 9, 1997
Page #262
with the DNR to discuss issues and had all their information and concerns prior to
preparing the staff report.
Commissioner Stein asked what the percentage of impervious surface structural coverage
could be if it wasn't located in a shoreland district. Director Hurlburt replied that there is
no percentage.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Kent Carlson, the petitioner. Mr. Carlson thanked staff for
their help and concurred with the staff report.
Chairman Stulberg opened and closed the public hearing as there was no one present to
speak on the issue.
MOTION by Commissioner Koehnen, seconded by Commissioner Thompson
recommending approval of a Site Plan and Variance for Ryan Companies U.S. Inc. for
Employers Association, Inc. located on 45`h Avenue, east of Nathan Lane.
Roll Call Vote. 5 Ayes. MOTION approved unanimously.
Chairman Stulberg questioned if it would make sense for the City to remove Lost Creek
from the shoreland ordinance since it is not a true stream. Planner Lindahl responded that
staff is currently reviewing that option, but did not know if it would get DNR support.
The City requested that Lost Creek be removed from the shoreland district when the
shoreland ordinance was originally approved, but it did not get DNR support at that time.
Chairman Stulberg stated that if we can't control it since it is in a pipe, it shouldn't be in
the Ordinance and questioned how we remove it from the ordinance. Planning
Supervisor Senness replied that based on conversations, there may be a change in the
DNR's position, but we wouldn't want to go through the process if we can't get the
support. Director Hurlburt stated that we could initiate the change as a zoning ordinance
amendment. Commissioner Thompson agreed with Chairman Stulberg. Director
Hurlburt stated that maybe the next time we take on the shoreland district, we may want
to address this issue.
B. HANS HAGEN HOMES, INC. (97173)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Hans Hagen Homes, Inc. for a Planned Unit
Development (PUD) Amendment to increase the size of the berm on the south side of the
commercial PUD known as Plymouth Station. The portion of the berm proposed to
change lies between the west side of the site entrance at Dunkirk Lane and the alignment
of Garland Lane.
Planning Supervisor Senness gave an overview of the December 4, 1997 staff report.
Planning Commission Minutes
December 9, 1997
Page #263
Commissioner Ribbe asked who is responsible for the maintenance. Planning Supervisor
Senness replied that the applicant is and then later an association would be set up for the
commercial center who would then take over responsibility of the maintenance.
Commissioner Thompson asked if a letter of credit would address staff's concern.
Planning Supervisor Senness responded that it could, but it may also end up that the City
could become responsible. Director Hurlburt explained that a letter of credit is an
administrative burden which only requires that the landscaping survive one winter. She
pointed out that maintaining the landscaping in accordance with the ordinance versus
aesthetic appearance are two different things. Planning Supervisor Senness stated that the
City doesn't have a lot of power if the developer does not maintain the landscaping.
Commissioner Koehnen questioned if the ordinance addresses a maximum berm allowed,
as it only refers to a minimum berm. Planning Supervisor Senness replied that the
ordinance addresses up to ten feet for screening.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Hans Hagen, the petitioner. Mr. Hagen stated that the
citizens requested the height of the berm and in an attempt to be a good neighbor, they are
complying with their request. Mr. Hagen commented that the berm is not a financial
issue, as it would allow them to maintain the excess material on site rather than incurring
the cost of hauling it off site. Mr. Hagen objected to Condition #2 of the approving
resolution. He commented that it would be too difficult to determine what the amount of
the letter of credit should be. He said an owner could refuse to maintain it, and the City
would cash it in and use the funds to clean it up, but it would only address one year of
maintenance. Mr. Hagen stated that the standard of the weed ordinance becomes an issue
of interpretation.
Commissioner Ribbe asked Mr. Hagen if they are willing to do the berm, aside from the
objection of #2. Mr. Hagen replied affirmatively, and stated that he would be willing to
redesign the landscaping on the berm if it is a concern that the proposed berm is high
maintenance. Commissioner Ribbe commented that the highway department maintains
many steep berms. Mr. Hagen said that the landscaping plan should be changed instead
of requiring a letter of credit.
Commissioner Ribbe asked the applicant if the berm would be a detriment with respect to
the day care. Mr. Hagen replied that it may only be a marketability issue pertaining to
sight view, but there is plenty of room for the playground.
Commissioner Stein asked if anything was approved for the south side of Medina Road.
Planning Supervisor Senness stated that a berm, construction of a fence and landscaping
were approved. She explained that the applicant is to construct a fence on the south side
of Medine Road and maintain the fence for a period of four years, at which time the
developer shall contract with a third party to estimate the annual maintenance costs for
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December 9, 1997
Page #263
Commissioner Ribbe asked who is responsible for the maintenance. Planning Supervisor
Senness replied that the applicant is and then later an association would be set up for the
commercial center who would then take over responsibility of the maintenance.
Commissioner Thompson asked if a letter of credit would address staff's concern.
Planning Supervisor Senness responded that it could, but it may also end up that the City
could become responsible. Director Hurlburt explained that a letter of credit is an
administrative burden which only requires that the landscaping survive one winter. She
pointed out that maintaining the landscaping in accordance with the ordinance versus
aesthetic appearance are two different things. Planning Supervisor Senness stated that the
City doesn't have a lot of power if the developer does not maintain the landscaping.
Commissioner Koehnen questioned if the ordinance addresses a maximum berm allowed,
as it only refers to a minimum berm. Planning Supervisor Senness replied that the
ordinance addresses up to ten feet for screening.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Hans Hagen, the petitioner. Mr. Hagen stated that the
citizens requested the height of the berm and in an attempt to be a good neighbor, they are
complying with their request. Mr. Hagen commented that the berm is not a financial
issue, as it would allow them to maintain the excess material on site rather than incurring
the cost of hauling it off site. Mr. Hagen objected to Condition #2 of the approving
resolution. He commented that it would be too difficult to determine what the amount of
the letter of credit should be. He said an owner could refuse to maintain it, and the City
would cash it in and use the funds to clean it up, but it would only address one year of
maintenance. Mr. Hagen stated that the standard of the weed ordinance becomes an issue
of interpretation.
Commissioner Ribbe asked Mr. Hagen if they are willing to do the berm, aside from the
objection of #2. Mr. Hagen replied affirmatively, and stated that he would be willing to
redesign the landscaping on the berm if it is a concern that the proposed berm is high
maintenance. Commissioner Ribbe commented that the highway department maintains
many steep berms. Mr. Hagen said that the landscaping plan should be changed instead
of requiring a letter of credit.
Commissioner Ribbe asked the applicant if the berm would be a detriment with respect to
the day care. Mr. Hagen replied that it may only be a marketability issue pertaining to
sight view, but there is plenty of room for the playground.
Commissioner Stein asked if anything was approved for the south side of Medina Road.
Planning Supervisor Senness stated that a berm, construction of a fence and landscaping
were approved. She explained that the applicant is to construct a fence on the south side
of Medine Road and maintain the fence for a period of four years, at which time the
developer shall contract with a third party to estimate the annual maintenance costs for
Planning Commission Minutes
December 9, 1997
Page #264
the fence and make a cash payment based on that estimate to the homeowners association
for the present value of the maintenance costs over a period of 30 years. Mr. Hagen
commented that the tape of the City Council would indicate 20 years, but the resolution
shows 30 years. Director Hurlburt read several excerpts from the ordinance pertaining to
general landscaping and maintenance, sodding and ground cover, and berming. She
stated that the proposed landscaping is very different from the character of a residential
neighborhood.
Chairman Stulberg opened the public hearing.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Tom Krueger of 3310 Garland Lane. Mr. Krueger stated
the berm would screen the back yards to the commercial property across the street. He
said that he spoke with all the neighbors on Dunkirk, Everest Court and Garland Lane,
and they all agreed to the higher berm as it would aid them to maintain their quality of
life.
Chairman Stulberg closed the public hearing.
MOTION by Commissioner Ribbe, seconded by Commissioner Thompson
recommending approval of a PUD General Plan Amendment for Hans Hagen Homes,
Inc. to increase the height of the berm at Plymouth Station located southeast of the
intersection of Highway 55 and Country Road 24.
MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Thompson, seconded by Commissioner Koehnen
to add the following wording to Condition #2 "...berm, or submit a new landscape plan
agreeable to the city forester".
Commissioner Stein said that the application should be tabled if the landscape plan is
going to be revised, to allow the Commission to look at it again. Commissioner
Thompson stated that he is comfortable leaving the approval up to the city forester.
Chairman Stulberg commented that he did not think this is a precedent issue, as the
Commission has allowed landscaping to go above and beyond what the ordinance
dictates. He said that what bothers him is the berm is in excess of a 3:1 slope. Chairman
Stulberg commented that he doesn't mind a big berm that is sodded and turn it over to the
homeowners association. He said that if it isn't turned over to the homeowners
association, you have to tie it to something to make sure it is maintained.
Commissioner Koehnen questioned the city forester approving the landscaping plan.
Director Hurlburt stated that staff relies on the landscape architect in instances such as
this, and the city forester mainly for questions regarding trees. She said that staff could
certainly look at another landscape plan. Commissioner Koehnen stated that she was not
ready to vote since staff would have to see another landscape plan.
Planning Commission Minutes
December 9, 1997
Page #264
the fence and make a cash payment based on that estimate to the homeowners association
for the present value of the maintenance costs over a period of 30 years. Mr. Hagen
commented that the tape of the City Council would indicate 20 years, but the resolution
shows 30 years. Director Hurlburt read several excerpts from the ordinance pertaining to
general landscaping and maintenance, sodding and ground cover, and berming. She
stated that the proposed landscaping is very different from the character of a residential
neighborhood.
Chairman Stulberg opened the public hearing.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Tom Krueger of 3310 Garland Lane. Mr. Krueger stated
the berm would screen the back yards to the commercial property across the street. He
said that he spoke with all the neighbors on Dunkirk, Everest Court and Garland Lane,
and they all agreed to the higher berm as it would aid them to maintain their quality of
life.
Chairman Stulberg closed the public hearing.
MOTION by Commissioner Ribbe, seconded by Commissioner Thompson
recommending approval of a PUD General Plan Amendment for Hans Hagen Homes,
Inc. to increase the height of the berm at Plymouth Station located southeast of the
intersection of Highway 55 and Country Road 24.
MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Thompson, seconded by Commissioner Koehnen
to add the following wording to Condition #2 "...berm, or submit a new landscape plan
agreeable to the city forester".
Commissioner Stein said that the application should be tabled if the landscape plan is
going to be revised, to allow the Commission to look at it again. Commissioner
Thompson stated that he is comfortable leaving the approval up to the city forester.
Chairman Stulberg commented that he did not think this is a precedent issue, as the
Commission has allowed landscaping to go above and beyond what the ordinance
dictates. He said that what bothers him is the berm is in excess of a 3:1 slope. Chairman
Stulberg commented that he doesn't mind a big berm that is sodded and turn it over to the
homeowners association. He said that if it isn't turned over to the homeowners
association, you have to tie it to something to make sure it is maintained.
Commissioner Koehnen questioned the city forester approving the landscaping plan.
Director Hurlburt stated that staff relies on the landscape architect in instances such as
this, and the city forester mainly for questions regarding trees. She said that staff could
certainly look at another landscape plan. Commissioner Koehnen stated that she was not
ready to vote since staff would have to see another landscape plan.
Planning Commission Minutes
December 9, 1997
Page #265
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Commissioner Stulberg stated that basically is comes down to whether it should be a
commercial type separation or residential, which is sodded, treed and mowed.
Commissioner Stein commented that he wasn't so hung up on whether it be sod or
sumac, but that the city forester is not a landscape architect. Commissioner Thompson
stated that he didn't think sod is necessary under the ordinance, and that the neighbors
wants something different. Commissioner Thompson said he would be happy to amend
the motion to say landscape architect instead of the city forester. He stated that the
landowner should have the option to use the property and build, and 100 percent of the
neighbors agree. The developer should be able to do what he wants, whether it be a letter
of credit or a revised landscape plan. Director Hurlburt stated the motion could indicate
staff approval versus specifying the city forester. Commissioners Thompson and
Koehnen concurred.
Roll Call Vote on MOTION to Amend. 2 Ayes. MOTION denied on a 2-3 Vote.
(Commissioners Kohenen, Stein and Chairman Stulberg voted Nay.)
MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Ribbe, seconded by Commissioner Thompson to
amend Condition #2 to read "Prior to issuance of building permits for Plymouth Station,
the developer shall with the consultation and agreement of city staff develop a landscape
plan and a plan to maintain the perennial landscaping."
Discussion centered around the reasgning for staff requiring Condition #2 in the first
place. Director Hurlburt explained the procedures involved if someone is in violation of
the zoning ordinance. She stated the advantages of requiring a letter of credit.
Commissioner Thompson disagreed with staff's interpretation and stated that the City
would have legal recourse which would be sufficient to resolve any potential problems.
Roll Call Vote on MOTION to Amend. 3 Ayes. MOTION approved on a 3-2 Vote.
(Commissioners Koehnen and Stein voted Nay.)
Roll Call Vote on Main MOTION. 3 Ayes. MOTION approved on a 3-2 Vote.
(Commissioners Koehnen and Stein voted Nay.)
Chairman Stulberg commented that he had no problem with a berm, bus was concerned
with ensuring the maintenance of the berm and how to achieve compliance so that the
issue doesn't come back to the City.
Commissioner Koehnen noted that she may not make the January 6" meeting.
Commissioner Ribbe commented that he would not be at the January 6"' meeting.
Commissioner Thompson said he was unsure about the January 6`h meeting.
MOTION by Commissioner Ribbe, seconded by Commissioner Thompson to adjourn.
Vote. 5 Ayes. The meeting was adjourned at 8:22 p.m.
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December 9, 1997
Page #265
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Commissioner Stulberg stated that basically is comes down to whether it should be a
commercial type separation or residential, which is sodded, treed and mowed.
Commissioner Stein commented that he wasn't so hung up on whether it be sod or
sumac, but that the city forester is not a landscape architect. Commissioner Thompson
stated that he didn't think sod is necessary under the ordinance, and that the neighbors
wants something different. Commissioner Thompson said he would be happy to amend
the motion to say landscape architect instead of the city forester. He stated that the
landowner should have the option to use the property and build, and 100 percent of the
neighbors agree. The developer should be able to do what he wants, whether it be a letter
of credit or a revised landscape plan. Director Hurlburt stated the motion could indicate
staff approval versus specifying the city forester. Commissioners Thompson and
Koehnen concurred.
Roll Call Vote on MOTION to Amend. 2 Ayes. MOTION denied on a 2-3 Vote.
(Commissioners Kohenen, Stein and Chairman Stulberg voted Nay.)
MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Ribbe, seconded by Commissioner Thompson to
amend Condition #2 to read "Prior to issuance of building permits for Plymouth Station,
the developer shall with the consultation and agreement of city staff develop a landscape
plan and a plan to maintain the perennial landscaping."
Discussion centered around the reasgning for staff requiring Condition #2 in the first
place. Director Hurlburt explained the procedures involved if someone is in violation of
the zoning ordinance. She stated the advantages of requiring a letter of credit.
Commissioner Thompson disagreed with staff's interpretation and stated that the City
would have legal recourse which would be sufficient to resolve any potential problems.
Roll Call Vote on MOTION to Amend. 3 Ayes. MOTION approved on a 3-2 Vote.
(Commissioners Koehnen and Stein voted Nay.)
Roll Call Vote on Main MOTION. 3 Ayes. MOTION approved on a 3-2 Vote.
(Commissioners Koehnen and Stein voted Nay.)
Chairman Stulberg commented that he had no problem with a berm, bus was concerned
with ensuring the maintenance of the berm and how to achieve compliance so that the
issue doesn't come back to the City.
Commissioner Koehnen noted that she may not make the January 6" meeting.
Commissioner Ribbe commented that he would not be at the January 6"' meeting.
Commissioner Thompson said he was unsure about the January 6`h meeting.
MOTION by Commissioner Ribbe, seconded by Commissioner Thompson to adjourn.
Vote. 5 Ayes. The meeting was adjourned at 8:22 p.m.
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DEC U 8 READ.
December 8,
Michael Stulberg
Chair City of Plymouth, Planning Commission
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, MN. 55447-1482
T -15a
1997
RE: MOEN-LEUER CONSTRUCTION,FILE 92170
Request for Conditional Use Permit
to Allow 40% use for manufacturing (Hearing Date 12/16/97)
Dear Mr. Stulberg:
At previous sessions of both the Planning Commission and the City
Council, a 25% conditional use permit was granted for the above
proposed project. The 25% was a compromise between the 40% requested
by Moen-Leuer and the 0% desired by the residents of Sugar Hills
Townhomes. The need for a compromise resulted from the problems
associated with a "single access" to the property through the
residential area at 36th and Zanzibar Streets.
At the time the 25% figure was arrived at, Mr. Moen was advised that
if he demonstrated to the townhhome residents that there would be
no problem with truck traffic through the area, the City. Council
would consider a higher rate. The City Council also indicated that
Mr. Moen could request a higher rate on an individual tenant basis.
To date, there has been no change in the access situation and the
potential increase in truck traffic through this residential area.
By this letter, I am requesting on behalf of the Sugar Hills Town -
home Association, that the 25% conditional use permit shall be
retained, and no increase be granted until another access is
developed. This is both a safety issue and our continued belief
that our property values would be.considerably reduced by allowing
additional truck traffic on 36th Street.
Very truly yours,
DONALD E. BUTLER
Vice-President,Sugar Hills
3640 Black Oaks Ln.No.
Plymouth,Mn. 55446
557-6876
Townhome Assoc.
cc: All residents of Sugar Hills
City Council Members .
DEC U 8 READ.
December 8,
Michael Stulberg
Chair City of Plymouth, Planning Commission
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, MN. 55447-1482
T -15a
1997
RE: MOEN-LEUER CONSTRUCTION,FILE 92170
Request for Conditional Use Permit
to Allow 40% use for manufacturing (Hearing Date 12/16/97)
Dear Mr. Stulberg:
At previous sessions of both the Planning Commission and the City
Council, a 25% conditional use permit was granted for the above
proposed project. The 25% was a compromise between the 40% requested
by Moen-Leuer and the 0% desired by the residents of Sugar Hills
Townhomes. The need for a compromise resulted from the problems
associated with a "single access" to the property through the
residential area at 36th and Zanzibar Streets.
At the time the 25% figure was arrived at, Mr. Moen was advised that
if he demonstrated to the townhhome residents that there would be
no problem with truck traffic through the area, the City. Council
would consider a higher rate. The City Council also indicated that
Mr. Moen could request a higher rate on an individual tenant basis.
To date, there has been no change in the access situation and the
potential increase in truck traffic through this residential area.
By this letter, I am requesting on behalf of the Sugar Hills Town -
home Association, that the 25% conditional use permit shall be
retained, and no increase be granted until another access is
developed. This is both a safety issue and our continued belief
that our property values would be.considerably reduced by allowing
additional truck traffic on 36th Street.
Very truly yours,
DONALD E. BUTLER
Vice-President,Sugar Hills
3640 Black Oaks Ln.No.
Plymouth,Mn. 55446
557-6876
Townhome Assoc.
cc: All residents of Sugar Hills
City Council Members .
December 9, 1997 CITY C
PLYMOUTR
Mr. Ken Mosher, Chair - Plymouth Business Council
Ms. Julie Hoff, Director of Community Affairs
TWIN WEST CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
10550 Wayzata Boulevard
Minnetonka, MN 55305
SUBJECT: TWIN WEST REGIONAL JOB FAIR PLANNED FOR THE SPRING OF 1998
Dear Mr. Mosher and Ms. Hoff:
Your letter to Mr. Dwight Johnson, Manager of the City of Plymouth, was forwarded to me for
response. Your letter was also shared with the Plymouth Job Fair steering committee which has
been diligently working on planning the Second Annual Job Fair for the cities of Plymouth and
New Hope. Their last meeting was held on December 3, 1997 at Plymouth City Center at 11:45
a.m.
As you indicated, Plymouth did host a reverse commute job fair on March 13, 1997 which by all
accounts was an overwhelming success. Based on that success and interest expressed in
subsequent job fairs, the City of Plymouth again hosted a meeting of business owners and
community leaders on August 13, 1997, as a kick-off effort for planning another reverse
commute job fair for the Spring of 1998. The committee has established a date for that job fair
of March 12, 1998 and the Radisson Hotel in Plymouth will again be hosting this event.
The steering committee received your December I" letter at their monthly planning session on
December 3, 1997. After discussing this matter it was their recommendation to continue
working on plans for Plymouth's Second Annual Reverse Commute Job Fair due to the fact that
a great deal of planning has already gone into this matter, and because of the belief that our job
fair has a very specific target market. We also have been very successful in promoting our
already existing Plymouth Metrolink reverse commute routes and ridership continues to grow.
With the above information in mind, we do plan to co -host the Second Annual Reverse
Commute Job Fair in the City of Plymouth on March 12, 1998. We also will be more than happy
to have City staff members join you in your planning efforts.
In analyzing comments from participants of our first job fair in the Spring of 1997 there was a
fair amount of desire to have another job fair in the fall. At that time, it was determined by our
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Mr. Ken Mosher, Chair - Plymouth Business Council
Ms. Julie Hoff, Director of Community Affairs
TWIN WEST CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
10550 Wayzata Boulevard
Minnetonka, MN 55305
SUBJECT: TWIN WEST REGIONAL JOB FAIR PLANNED FOR THE SPRING OF 1998
Dear Mr. Mosher and Ms. Hoff:
Your letter to Mr. Dwight Johnson, Manager of the City of Plymouth, was forwarded to me for
response. Your letter was also shared with the Plymouth Job Fair steering committee which has
been diligently working on planning the Second Annual Job Fair for the cities of Plymouth and
New Hope. Their last meeting was held on December 3, 1997 at Plymouth City Center at 11:45
a.m.
As you indicated, Plymouth did host a reverse commute job fair on March 13, 1997 which by all
accounts was an overwhelming success. Based on that success and interest expressed in
subsequent job fairs, the City of Plymouth again hosted a meeting of business owners and
community leaders on August 13, 1997, as a kick-off effort for planning another reverse
commute job fair for the Spring of 1998. The committee has established a date for that job fair
of March 12, 1998 and the Radisson Hotel in Plymouth will again be hosting this event.
The steering committee received your December I" letter at their monthly planning session on
December 3, 1997. After discussing this matter it was their recommendation to continue
working on plans for Plymouth's Second Annual Reverse Commute Job Fair due to the fact that
a great deal of planning has already gone into this matter, and because of the belief that our job
fair has a very specific target market. We also have been very successful in promoting our
already existing Plymouth Metrolink reverse commute routes and ridership continues to grow.
With the above information in mind, we do plan to co -host the Second Annual Reverse
Commute Job Fair in the City of Plymouth on March 12, 1998. We also will be more than happy
to have City staff members join you in your planning efforts.
In analyzing comments from participants of our first job fair in the Spring of 1997 there was a
fair amount of desire to have another job fair in the fall. At that time, it was determined by our
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NIS. Julie Floff, Director of Community Affairs
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steering committee that the individual steering committee members did not feel that they could
devote the time necessary to host a second event that year.
It is our thinking at this time, that we will continue in our planning efforts and host another job
fair in the City of Plymouth while at the same time having staff work with you to ensure that
your first job fair is a success. It is also possible that we could combine efforts in the future on
other job fairs perhaps having one in the spring and another in the fall or combining our efforts to
try to promote one very successful job fair.
Therefor, it is the steering committee's recommendation that Plymouth staff work with you and
others in the planning efforts necessary for your job fair with the understanding that the City of
Plymouth and Plymouth Metrolink will each have booths at the Twin West Chamber Fair when
it is held.
Based on their recommendation, George C. Bentley, a transit consultant for Plymouth Metrolink
and John Sweeney, the City's Transit Administrator, will be in attendance at your neat
community focus meeting on December 15`" at 4:00 at the Winnetka Cinema Cafe.
We look forward to working with you on this matter and if you have questions, please contact me
at 509-5521.
incerely,
/ ;6hn R. Sweeney
--� Transit Administrator
cc: Dwight D. Johnson, City Manager
Fred G. Moore, Director of Public Works
George C. Bentley, Consultant
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Nlr. Ken Mosher, Chair - Plymouth. Business Council
NIS. Julie Floff, Director of Community Affairs
Page 2
steering committee that the individual steering committee members did not feel that they could
devote the time necessary to host a second event that year.
It is our thinking at this time, that we will continue in our planning efforts and host another job
fair in the City of Plymouth while at the same time having staff work with you to ensure that
your first job fair is a success. It is also possible that we could combine efforts in the future on
other job fairs perhaps having one in the spring and another in the fall or combining our efforts to
try to promote one very successful job fair.
Therefor, it is the steering committee's recommendation that Plymouth staff work with you and
others in the planning efforts necessary for your job fair with the understanding that the City of
Plymouth and Plymouth Metrolink will each have booths at the Twin West Chamber Fair when
it is held.
Based on their recommendation, George C. Bentley, a transit consultant for Plymouth Metrolink
and John Sweeney, the City's Transit Administrator, will be in attendance at your neat
community focus meeting on December 15`" at 4:00 at the Winnetka Cinema Cafe.
We look forward to working with you on this matter and if you have questions, please contact me
at 509-5521.
incerely,
/ ;6hn R. Sweeney
--� Transit Administrator
cc: Dwight D. Johnson, City Manager
Fred G. Moore, Director of Public Works
George C. Bentley, Consultant
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December 10, 1997
Editors
Minneapolis Star Tribune
425 Portland Avenue
Minneapolis, MN 55488
Dear Sirs: -
ary OF
PLYMOUTFh
The Wednesday, December 3, 1997 Business section article ("Relocation Subsidies Target of Minge
Bill" by Star Tribune National Economics Correspondent Mike Meyers) raised legitimate questions
about the use of billions in public money for grants, cheap loans and other forms of subsidies used by
states and cities to lure businesses. The article cited as an example a grant and loan offered to Value
Rx in return for creating jobs by consolidating their operations in Plymouth, Minnesota.
This article may have created some incorrect perceptions about the City of Plymouth's role and the
City's use of subsidies including Tax Increment Financing (TIF) for attracting businesses. As chair of
the Plymouth City Council's Business Relations Committee, I'd like to correct those perceptions.
The City of Plymouth has not used any local taxpayer dollars to subsidize Value Rx. The loan and
grant were offered by the State of Minnesota Department of Trade and Economic Development
(DTED) to Value Rx. Plymouth was asked to act as a conduit for the state funds. In return, the City
may eventually receive a portion of the proceeds to be used locally to assist other companies.
However, Value Rx has not yet requested any of the funds that were allocated by DTED and has not
yet received any public money.
The City of Plymouth has not used any TIF funds to assist Value Rx, nor was any such assistance
requested by the company. In fact, the City of Plymouth has been very conservative in its use of TIF
funds to provide direct subsidies to businesses. Most of the TIF funds collected by Plymouth have
been used to finance major infrastructure investments. In the rare occasions Plymouth used TIF to
benefit an individual business, it has been used only in the amount needed to provide a "level playing
field" and not to give an unfair advantage to one business or location over another.
Because we have been conservative with public assistance, Plymouth has watched businesses leave
our community for other cities and states that offered TIF money, free land or other subsidies. We
are sorry to see them go, but Plymouth has not participated in bidding wars. We have been
successful in building a healthy tax base and attracting jobs by offering good locations, solid
infrastructure, excellent services and the lowest municipal tax rate of any Minnesota City with a
population over 10,000.
'Jill Irl y6innesota
Tim ildd O e City Councilmember
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Editors
Minneapolis Star Tribune
425 Portland Avenue
Minneapolis, MN 55488
Dear Sirs: -
ary OF
PLYMOUTFh
The Wednesday, December 3, 1997 Business section article ("Relocation Subsidies Target of Minge
Bill" by Star Tribune National Economics Correspondent Mike Meyers) raised legitimate questions
about the use of billions in public money for grants, cheap loans and other forms of subsidies used by
states and cities to lure businesses. The article cited as an example a grant and loan offered to Value
Rx in return for creating jobs by consolidating their operations in Plymouth, Minnesota.
This article may have created some incorrect perceptions about the City of Plymouth's role and the
City's use of subsidies including Tax Increment Financing (TIF) for attracting businesses. As chair of
the Plymouth City Council's Business Relations Committee, I'd like to correct those perceptions.
The City of Plymouth has not used any local taxpayer dollars to subsidize Value Rx. The loan and
grant were offered by the State of Minnesota Department of Trade and Economic Development
(DTED) to Value Rx. Plymouth was asked to act as a conduit for the state funds. In return, the City
may eventually receive a portion of the proceeds to be used locally to assist other companies.
However, Value Rx has not yet requested any of the funds that were allocated by DTED and has not
yet received any public money.
The City of Plymouth has not used any TIF funds to assist Value Rx, nor was any such assistance
requested by the company. In fact, the City of Plymouth has been very conservative in its use of TIF
funds to provide direct subsidies to businesses. Most of the TIF funds collected by Plymouth have
been used to finance major infrastructure investments. In the rare occasions Plymouth used TIF to
benefit an individual business, it has been used only in the amount needed to provide a "level playing
field" and not to give an unfair advantage to one business or location over another.
Because we have been conservative with public assistance, Plymouth has watched businesses leave
our community for other cities and states that offered TIF money, free land or other subsidies. We
are sorry to see them go, but Plymouth has not participated in bidding wars. We have been
successful in building a healthy tax base and attracting jobs by offering good locations, solid
infrastructure, excellent services and the lowest municipal tax rate of any Minnesota City with a
population over 10,000.
'Jill Irl y6innesota
Tim ildd O e City Councilmember
PlymouthPLYMOUTH A Beautiju(T(ace To Line
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Plymouth City Hall
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, MN - 55447
Attn. Dwight D. Johnson
City Manager
Dear W. ,Johnson,
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We have received your letter of Nov. 5th, 1997.
We cannot accept your $300 offer to correct the
Problem created by my neighbor. poor drainage
As we have mentioned several times , we consider that the city
inspectors who performed the inspections on my neighbor's house at
different stages should have noticed the drainage problems and t
actions to get them corrected. take
We shall follow your advice and contact the city clerk Laurie
Ahrens, to refer the matter to the city's insurance carrier.
Sincerely,
Nicolae Teisanu
CC: Plymouth City Council 1
Fred Moore J
Bob Pemberton
Speranta Teisanu
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Plymouth City Hall
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, MN - 55447
Attn. Dwight D. Johnson
City Manager
Dear W. ,Johnson,
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We have received your letter of Nov. 5th, 1997.
We cannot accept your $300 offer to correct the
Problem created by my neighbor. poor drainage
As we have mentioned several times , we consider that the city
inspectors who performed the inspections on my neighbor's house at
different stages should have noticed the drainage problems and t
actions to get them corrected. take
We shall follow your advice and contact the city clerk Laurie
Ahrens, to refer the matter to the city's insurance carrier.
Sincerely,
Nicolae Teisanu
CC: Plymouth City Council 1
Fred Moore J
Bob Pemberton
Speranta Teisanu
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November 5, 1997
Nicolae Teisanu
2540 Medicine Ridge Road
Plymouth, Minnesota 55441
Dear Mr. Teisanu,
We received your letter of October 22, 1997. City staff have reviewed your
situation. The offer extended on August 25, 1997 remains available to you. If the offer is
still unacceptable to you, you can refer the matter to the city's insurance carrier. It will
then be considered a claim against the city and will be investigated accordingly.
Should you have questions about filing a claim against the city, please contact
City Clerk Laurie Ahrens at 509-5080.
Sincerely,
Dwight D. Johnson
City Manager
Attachment
cc: Plymouth City Council
Fred Moore
Bob Pemberton
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November 5, 1997
Nicolae Teisanu
2540 Medicine Ridge Road
Plymouth, Minnesota 55441
Dear Mr. Teisanu,
We received your letter of October 22, 1997. City staff have reviewed your
situation. The offer extended on August 25, 1997 remains available to you. If the offer is
still unacceptable to you, you can refer the matter to the city's insurance carrier. It will
then be considered a claim against the city and will be investigated accordingly.
Should you have questions about filing a claim against the city, please contact
City Clerk Laurie Ahrens at 509-5080.
Sincerely,
Dwight D. Johnson
City Manager
Attachment
cc: Plymouth City Council
Fred Moore
Bob Pemberton
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NICOLAE TEISANU October 22 1997
2540 Medicine Ridge Rd., Plymouth, MN. 55441
Ph: 612-949-9869
To: ELYMOU`I'H�CITY-C-OUNC-EL
Cc: KATHY LUECKERT—Assistant City Manager
FRED MOOR — Public Work Director
Re: Drainage/ Damage
Dear Madam:
While I do appreciate your response from 251b August 1997 in regard to the damages affecting my
property located on 2540 Medicine Ridge Rd., I can not agree with your suggested solution.
The fact that you understand my frustration with this issue doesn't improve the drainage and the
amount of money that the City of Plymouth is offering does not cover the necessary repairs.
For your better understanding of the situation as well for the purpose of clarification, I would like to
point out a few facts:
• Before the house located at 2550 Medicine Ridge Rd. was built, I have never had any drainage
problems. The reason was that the fact that before construction, the land level was the same and
wore no obstructions of drainage. More so, on that specific piece of land was drainage for the
purpose of collecting water overflow and deferring it from our house.
• It appears that your approval for the construction of the mentioned house was given with out a
thorough verification of the consequences. As a result, the house that was built at 2550 Medicine
Ridge Rd. is at the present time at a higher level of elevation than my house.
Foils of black plastic, covered with stones are covering now the small land surface that is around
the house preventing the natural drainage.
The before the construction existing drainage tub has been totally removed.
Basically, there are no more possibilities of drainage, natural or man made and as a result of that
my property is affected.
From the very beginning of the construction I have informed City Council about the situation,
but no measures wore taken.
• Since this situation is a result of overseeing an elevation/drainage control while approving a new
construction, I consider City Council responsible for the situation and for the present and future
damages to my property.
In view of the mentioned facts and of the justice, since this is not an issue between two neighbors but
a result of wrong decision and construction approval misjudgment by the City Council, I suggest the
following:
• City Council to select and send a specialist to determine the situation, recommends the
appropriate solutions and to fix the drainage problem.
• City Council to select and send a specialist to determine the necessary repairs to my house.
• The party in fault should support the cost for those issues.
I hope that I will receive a positive response to this situation ASAP.
Sincerely,
NICOLAE TEISANU
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NICOLAE TEISANU October 22 1997
2540 Medicine Ridge Rd., Plymouth, MN. 55441
Ph: 612-949-9869
To: ELYMOU`I'H�CITY-C-OUNC-EL
Cc: KATHY LUECKERT—Assistant City Manager
FRED MOOR — Public Work Director
Re: Drainage/ Damage
Dear Madam:
While I do appreciate your response from 251b August 1997 in regard to the damages affecting my
property located on 2540 Medicine Ridge Rd., I can not agree with your suggested solution.
The fact that you understand my frustration with this issue doesn't improve the drainage and the
amount of money that the City of Plymouth is offering does not cover the necessary repairs.
For your better understanding of the situation as well for the purpose of clarification, I would like to
point out a few facts:
• Before the house located at 2550 Medicine Ridge Rd. was built, I have never had any drainage
problems. The reason was that the fact that before construction, the land level was the same and
wore no obstructions of drainage. More so, on that specific piece of land was drainage for the
purpose of collecting water overflow and deferring it from our house.
• It appears that your approval for the construction of the mentioned house was given with out a
thorough verification of the consequences. As a result, the house that was built at 2550 Medicine
Ridge Rd. is at the present time at a higher level of elevation than my house.
Foils of black plastic, covered with stones are covering now the small land surface that is around
the house preventing the natural drainage.
The before the construction existing drainage tub has been totally removed.
Basically, there are no more possibilities of drainage, natural or man made and as a result of that
my property is affected.
From the very beginning of the construction I have informed City Council about the situation,
but no measures wore taken.
• Since this situation is a result of overseeing an elevation/drainage control while approving a new
construction, I consider City Council responsible for the situation and for the present and future
damages to my property.
In view of the mentioned facts and of the justice, since this is not an issue between two neighbors but
a result of wrong decision and construction approval misjudgment by the City Council, I suggest the
following:
• City Council to select and send a specialist to determine the situation, recommends the
appropriate solutions and to fix the drainage problem.
• City Council to select and send a specialist to determine the necessary repairs to my house.
• The party in fault should support the cost for those issues.
I hope that I will receive a positive response to this situation ASAP.
Sincerely,
NICOLAE TEISANU
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CITY OF
PLYMOUTF+
August 25, 1997
Nicolae Teisanu
2540 Medicine Ridge Road
Plymouth, Minnesota 55441
Dear Mr. Teisanu,
Thank you for appearing earlier this month before the Plymouth City Council. I
can certainly understand how frustrated you must be with the drainage problem. It is
unfortunate that the suggestions made by city staff two years ago have not been
implemented to alleviate some of the drainage. As was determined two years ago, this
problem remains one that is primarily the responsibility of you and your neighbor to
resolve. All of the city's usual and customary practices were followed when the plan for
your neighbor's home was approved in 1994. City staff can make suggestions, but
cannot direct either of you to correct the problem.
However, in the spirit of trying to help you resolve your drainage problem, the
City is willing to contribute an amount not to exceed $300 to correct the poor drainage.
This contribution depends on you and your neighbor presenting an agreement, signed by
both of you, indicating how the drainage problem will be corrected. The City will not
contribute financially unless you and your neighbor present this written agreement.
If you and your neighbor are having difficulty agreeing on a solution, I would
suggest mediation. The city supports the West Suburban Mediation Center. They have
staff who are skilled at helping people resolve disputes and disagreements such as your
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August 25, 1997
Nicolae Teisanu
2540 Medicine Ridge Road
Plymouth, Minnesota 55441
Dear Mr. Teisanu,
Thank you for appearing earlier this month before the Plymouth City Council. I
can certainly understand how frustrated you must be with the drainage problem. It is
unfortunate that the suggestions made by city staff two years ago have not been
implemented to alleviate some of the drainage. As was determined two years ago, this
problem remains one that is primarily the responsibility of you and your neighbor to
resolve. All of the city's usual and customary practices were followed when the plan for
your neighbor's home was approved in 1994. City staff can make suggestions, but
cannot direct either of you to correct the problem.
However, in the spirit of trying to help you resolve your drainage problem, the
City is willing to contribute an amount not to exceed $300 to correct the poor drainage.
This contribution depends on you and your neighbor presenting an agreement, signed by
both of you, indicating how the drainage problem will be corrected. The City will not
contribute financially unless you and your neighbor present this written agreement.
If you and your neighbor are having difficulty agreeing on a solution, I would
suggest mediation. The city supports the West Suburban Mediation Center. They have
staff who are skilled at helping people resolve disputes and disagreements such as your
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drainage problem. The director is Sue Nelson, her number is 933-0005. 'r
Should you have questions about this offer, my number is 509-5052.
Sincerely,
Kathy L eckert
Assistant City Manager
cc: Plymouth City Council
Fred Moore, Public Works Director
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drainage problem. The director is Sue Nelson, her number is 933-0005. 'r
Should you have questions about this offer, my number is 509-5052.
Sincerely,
Kathy L eckert
Assistant City Manager
cc: Plymouth City Council
Fred Moore, Public Works Director