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AUGUST 1, 1997
UPCOMING MEETINGS AND EVENTS
1. COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULE.
NOTE: Ward I Councilmember Tim Bildsoe meets with residents and receives their comments in the
Administration Library, beginning at 6: 00 p.m. before each Council meeting.
AUGUST 6 7:00 P.M. REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING
Council Chambers
AUGUST 7 7:00 P.M. SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING BUDGET
STUDYSESSION
Public Safety Training Room
AUGUST 20 5:00 P.M. SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING BUDGET
STUDY SESSION
Public Safety Training Room
AUGUST 20 7:00 P.M. REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING
Council Chambers
AUGUST 27 5:00 P.M. SPEC]AL COUNCIL MEETING (IF NEEDED)
BUDGET STUDY SESSION
Public Safety Training Room
2. PLANNING COMMISSION STUDY SESSION ON PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE
AMENDMENTS, MONDAY, AUGUST 4, 7:00 P.M., Medicine Lake Room. Agenda is attached.
(M-2)
3. NATIONAL NIGHT OUTACTIVITIES, TUESDAY, AUGUST S.
4. COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY, THURSDAY, AUGUST 7, 6:00 P.M.,
Public Safety Library.
5. COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE ON BUSINESS RELATIONS, MONDAY, AUGUST 11, 7:00
P.M. Medicine Lake Room.
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August 1, 1997
6. MEETING CALENDARS — August and September meeting calendars are attached. (M-6)
1. NEWS ARTICLES, RELEASES, PUBLICATIONS, ETC.
a. City news release soliciting applications for citizens to serve on the Public Safety
Subcommittee. (I -1a)
b. Announcement/invitation to the CONECT Collaborative "Boat Project" launching event,
Tuesday, August 12, 6:30 p.m., at Parkers Lake Pavilion. (I -lb)
c. City news release announcing the closure of Vicksburg Lane at the Canadian Railroad
crossing to allow replacement of the crossing panel. (I -1c)
d. Plymouth Business Update from TwinWest Chamber of Commerce. (I -2d)
2. MINUTES
a. CONECT Collaborative July 9, 1997 meeting. (I -2a)
b. Council Subcommittee on Public Safety June 25, 1997 meeting. (I -2b)
3. CITIZEN COMMUNICATIONS POLICY- CORRESPONDENCE
a. Letters to Ernest and Gerda Erickson from Public Works Director Fred Moore Housing
Specialist Milt Dale discussing application for assistance in water damage cleanup of their
home. The Erickson's original correspondence is attached. (I -3a)
b. Letter to the Plymouth Housing Alliance from Community Development Director Anne
Hurlburt regarding a proposed plan for property along County Road 61 just north of Sunset
Trail and south of Carlson Parkway. The original correspondence is attached. (I -3b)
c. Letter to Pamela Parker from Public Works Director Fred Moore responding to concerns
about the Cimarron East development street construction. The original correspondence is
attached. (I -3c)
d. Letter to Dwight S. Harvey of Laukka Development Company from Public Works Director
Fred Moore discussing concerns of homeowners in the Parkers Lake North 3' Addition
about street conditions. The original correspondence is attached. (I -3d)
e. Letter to John Donovan III from Public Works Director Moore responding to concerns
about the wetlands behind the Len Bush Roses property along Medina Road. The original
correspondence is attached. (I -3e)
A status report on the most recent correspondence is attached. (1-3)
AGENDA
City Council Subcommittee on
Community Po/icing
Thursday, August 7, 1997
6:00 p.m.
NOTE: Location change -
Due to the schedule of the Council Meeting
This meeting will now be held in the
Library of the Public Safety Building - 2"d floor
I. Call to order
II. Approval of minutes from June 25, 1997 meeting
III. Partnership for Safe Communities Symposium through the Minnesota
Community Policing Institute
IV. Graffiti Ordinance
V. Animal Ordinance issues
VI. Citizen representative selection process
VII. Set next meeting/meeting schedule
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For Immediate Release Contact:
July 28, 1997 Laurie Ahrens, 509-5080
City of Plymouth Seeks Citizens to Serve
on Public Safety Subcommittee
Plymouth residents who have an interest in public safety issues are encouraged
to apply to serve on the Plymouth City Council Subcommittee on Public Safety. The
City is seeking one person from each of the four City wards.
Applications will be accepted through Fri., Aug. 22. Call 509-5080 to have an
application mailed to you. Be sure to leave your name, mailing address and phone
number.
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PLYMOUTH A Beautiful Place?o Live
3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD • PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447-1482 • TELEPHONE (612) 509-5000
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"The Boat Project"
CONECT Collaborative cordially
invites you to participate in the
GREAT BOAT LAUNCHING!
Where: Parker's Lake Pavilion
County Road 6 & Niagra, Plymouth, Minnesota
When: Tuesday, August 12,1997
Time: 6:30
Actual launching time depends on many variables.
Please come early and join in the fun!
R.S.V.P. to Kris Korsmo at CONECT 476-8477
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PLYMOUTR
For Immediate Release
July 31, 1997
Contact:
Dan Faulkner, 509-5520
Vicksburg Ln. to be closed at Canadian Pacific Railroad crossing Aug. 11 -15
For a few days in August, motorists who routinely cross the Canadian Pacific
Railroad crossing at Vicksburg Ln. in Plymouth will have to find a new route.
Vicksburg Ln. will be closed at the crossing for approximately three days starting
Aug. 11 to allow the Canadian Pacific Railroad Company to install a replacement
crossing panel. The railroad crossing is expected to be closed through Fri., Aug. 15.
In addition to the railroad company's work, City street crews will also do some minor
approach paving. The railroad will post signs at Co. Rd. 47 and Co. Rd. 9 alerting
motorists of the upcoming closing.
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3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD • PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447-1482 • TELEPHONE (612) 509-5000
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Important Plymouth Business Update, PleaseRoute
The recently developed TwinWest Chamber of Commerce Plymouth Business Council has determined that
improving the communication between the business community and the City of Plymouth is a priority issue.
Therefore, TwinWest and City staff have developed the following information sheet to keep YOU up to date on
upcoming business issues that could impact you...
Development/Construction Updates
The City Council unanimously adopted a "bill of rights' for builders and developers. The Plymouth Business
Council provided input to the City.
=> There is a 64 unit proposal in the Parker's Lake area which will be mixed income unit project. Members of the
community have voiced pros and cons of this development. Some feel that this mixed use is needed in the City
of Plymouth, while others feel that having low income housing may increase crime.
Business News
• City Budget preparation is underway. TwinWest will monitor the process and keep you informed. Watch for
updates with meeting times and dates.
• An upcoming "hot" issue is modification to the city's sign ordinance.
• In May, Shenandoah Townhomes residents petitioned the City to finance $1.4 million to re -side their units.
The townhome association has not collected sufficient funds to pay for this service. A 1996 state law allows the
City to do the work, finance it, and then assess the residents over time to recoup the cost. Numerous banks
have turned down the association for financing. If the City does not participate the area may become blighted.
If the City does participate it could be construed that they are rewarding poor financial planning and setting a
precedent. City Council recently requested staff to further develop the option of the City financing the entire
amount of the re -siding project. The rationale is the simplicity and the possibility of lower interest rates with City
bonding.
• The Plymouth Business Council was developed by the TwinWest Chamber to address local public policy
issues in the city of Plymouth and enhance the communication between the City and the business community.
• City Council is still interested in a referendum for a bond levy for an activity center. A vote is likely for 1998.
• If this fax is not directed to the appropriate representative at your office, please inform us!
• What is a business concern you have? Let us know and maybe we can be your united voice.
_ In the future, please fax this update to
Name
Business
at
Phone
This information is provided to you as a courtesy of the TwinWest Chamber of Commerce and the City of Plymouth.
These updates will continue for a three month period at which time you will receive an evaluation on the value of
this business communications tool. We would love to hear your input prior to that, call any of the individuals below
with your suggestions and/or feedback. If you have any feedback, questions or would like to get involved with the
Business Council, please call Sterling Patterson at TwinWest ph: 540-0234; fx: 540-0237, City Manager, Dwight
Johnson, at 509-5051 or Director of Community Development, Anne Hurlburt, at 509-5401, city fax: 509-5060.
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Minutes
Lakeview Commons ; ,b
July 9, 1997
Attendance: Joyce Heyer, LaDonna Hoy, Kristina Korsmo, Carol Vannelli, Nancy Scott, Mary Bisek,
Jim Schaffer, Cindy Keefer, Cathy Fischer, Joy Tierney
1. June 4, 1997 Minutes - The minutes were amended to reflect:
ECFE's attendance at Regency Pointe has been minimal. Joyce and Kris will be conducting an
interest survey at Lakeview Commons.
Plymouth Library will have the Readmobile at Lakeview Commons on alternating Thursdays.
Carol moved to accept the minutes as amended. Mary seconded. The motion passed unanimously.
2. Financial Report - Kris reported that Lutheran Brotherhood has donated money as follows:
$400 - for 2 picnics at Lakeview Commons
$600 - treats and crafts for Lakeview Commons Clubhouse
$400 - for a spa at Vision of Glory for Regency Pointe and Lakeview Commons residents
Refreshments for Lakeview Commons will be coded under special events. Joyce moved to accept the
financial report. Nancy seconded. The motion passed unanimously.
3. Coordinator's Report -
Demographics at Regency Pointe are changing
Community Dinners serving 39-60 people
Time to begin thinking about 1998 and these dinners. Possibly offer them at other locations.
Demographic info from Regency Pointe is needed. Kris will call Laura. LaDonna will call Ed Goldsmith
(City of Plymouth)
At the August meeting Kris and LaDonna will report on what they find and ideas for transitional plan.
CONECT needs a new copy machine. Carol Bergenstahl will call Cargil, Carlson Companies. LaDonna will
talk to Norwest Bank.
Judy Hoy, family therapist, will do volunteer work for CONECT to help us evaluate and asses our issues
with the families we serve.
Gerring's have donated a monthly washing of the van (inside & out) Thank You!
Cindy Keefer was welcomed as a summer intern at CONECT. She has been a hard worker and greatly
appreciated. Thank You!!!!
4. Agency Reports-
ECFE surveying Regency Pointe residents with young chiidren to find out their interest and
availability to attend Play Time.
5. Library - Readmobile at Lakeview Commons is highly successful. Readmobile staff are very
pleased.
The library is collecting donations of books to be set up in the Clubhouse for residents to check out.
6. Next Meeting
Wednesday, August 6, 1997
Regency Pointe Apartments
Overlook Lounge
1:30 p.m.
Submitted by Joyce Heyer
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Plymouth Subcommittee on
Community Policing
Minutes of Meeting
June 25, 1997
6. 00 p.m.
Present at the meeting were Councilmembers Christian Preus, Tim Bildsoe and
Saundra Spigner, City Manager Dwight Johnson, Citizen Kim Koehnen, Chief Craig
Gerdes, Sgt. Mike Goldstein, and recording secretary, Public Safety Tech Svcs
Supervisor Barb Cox.
Guests from the Fire Department present were Deputy Fire Chief Dave Burke,
Firefighter Gretchen Hurr, and Firefighter Greg Leuer.
Chair Christian Preus called the meeting to order at 6:10 p.m.
The first item on the agenda was approval of the minutes from the May 21, 1997
meeting: Koehnen moved to approve the minutes; Gerdes seconded the motion.
There was no discussion. Spigner abstained, all other members voted in favor,
motion passed.
The next item on the agenda was the report on staffing issues from the Fire
Department. The three members of the Fire Department present were introduced to
the subcommittee. Firefighter Hurr gave a brief history of the department's review
of staffing issues. For those members not on the subcommittee in 1996, she
distributed copies of part 1 of the department's report. She noted at that time they
were directed to proceed with research on some of the items discussed. They are
back at this meeting to present part 2 of their report and update the subcommittee.
Deputy Chief Burke noted that there were five areas to be explored to increase fire
response outlined in the part 1 report. Those items are:
1. Technological advancements
2. Use of City workers to increase daytime response
3. Duty crew
4. Increase the number of paid staff
5. Increase the number of volunteer personnel
Burke then gave a brief update on the progress with these items. Under #1,
technological advancements, this would be the traffic signal preemption system.
He stated there are a number of intersections within the City that are equipped with
this system. The City has authorized funds and the Public Safety Department is
currently in the process of purchasing emitters for the use of both fire and police
department personnel. Bildsoe asked what the plans were for getting the signals at
all intersections completed. Gerdes noted that the State is currently finishing a
project to upgrade all signals on Hwy 55 and they have a policy that all new signals
are equipped when installed. He noted the County has a similar policy for new
signals and this was done as part of the Co Rd 9 project. He stated he has met
with Public Works Director Fred Moore and the City is also committed to including
this on all new intersections. He stated for the other existing intersections, the
police and fire have made a priority list of intersections that would be the most
benefit to us and we hope to begin the transition process of them.
Burke noted the #2 item from the list was use of city workers. He stated they
have met with the City Attorney and Human Resource Manager on this issue and
they are very limited under Federal Labor Laws pertaining to overtime. He stated
they have a proposal to allow the two current fire inspectors to respond during the
day and they are working with city staff to change our internal policy to allow this.
Next is the duty crew option. Burke noted the department developed an internal
committee to look at this option and Greg Leuer was present this evening to
discuss this issue. He noted Leuer served as chairman of the internal committee.
Leuer noted the group had looked at several options and worked with all members
of the department to come up with a workable proposal. He stated they are
proposing the crew work shifts between 12:00 noon and 6:00 p.m. Monday
through Friday and man one stations during that time. He stated the benefits
would include a decrease in the response time on emergency runs, an increase in
public education activities, time availability to work on pre -plans throughout the
city, and training time.
Burke noted #4 on the list was to increase the number of paid staff members on
the department. He stated they currently have one, the Fire Chief. He stated part
of their proposal on the duty crew is to add one additional full-time Fire position.
He stated the position will have responsibility over managing the duty crew, as well
as taking some of the administrative responsibilities of the Deputy Fire Chief and
other officers.
The last item on the list, #5, is to increase the number of volunteer fire personnel.
He this has been a continuing problem for the department as shown by the fact
that we currently do not have as many as we are authorized.
Burke then asked if anyone had any questions on these items. Johnson asked if we
had tapped resources within the city for the daytime response question. For
instance, whether we had contacted businesses to see if they would allow their
workers to help fight daytime fires within the City. Burke noted this has not been
done for some time, but they have had problems with employers not wanting their
personnel to leave during the day as that creates other staffing problems for them.
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Preus asked if there is any means of encouraging employers within the city to help.
The possibility of a tax break or utility break for employers was brought up. Bildsoe
noted that we could try to get a bigger pool so that not everyone must respond; for
example their employees would only need to respond on Thursdays or only two of
their employees would respond at any one time. Gerdes noted that the problem for
the employees is that it also impacts on their personal time for training and other
duties they must pull and often individuals do not want to commit to this. Hurr
noted that the average firefighter's commitment in 1995 was 284 hours.
Koehnen stated she would like to have this issue go further and increase the citizen
input. She noted she has spoken with a firefighter and has some concerns with the
duty crew proposal. She stated she believed we could loose some of our existing
volunteers who do not like this proposal. She also stated she understood that if
scheduled for specific times in the duty crew the individuals would be on call three
times more than currently.
Leuer responded that initially they had looked at a 12 hour day for the duty crew to
cover, but that was cut back to 6 hours because their computations showed that
the 12 hour coverage would result in being on call three times more than now with
their current staff and they did not believe this was reasonable. He stated there is
credit toward the minimum percentage of calls a firefighter must make which would
be a benefit to those involved. He also stated there are some who do not like the
proposal, but others who may look more favorably on getting involved if they knew
they only needed to do one six -hour shift a week and not be on call all the time.
Johnson noted that the entire membership of the department was surveyed on this
issue. Koehnen stated there is a trade off, but she believes there is concern over
the loss in flexibility. Gerdes asked if there was a requirement to participate in the
duty crew. Burke noted that the way the program is developed, all who have
selected daytime availability times must participate. He also noted that there is a
trade off in scheduling of family events as you are not on call. Hurr stated that
many felt this was an advantage that you could schedule your time in two three-
hour or one six -hour block and then have more personal flexibility the rest of the
week. Leuer also noted that if we are able to increase the number of firefighters on
the department with daytime flexibility, that will ease the number of hours required
to be committed each week.
Koehnen noted that with all she knows currently, if she had to pick today she
would go for paying for a full-time department.
Preus asked what action we need to take with this report at this time and whether
it needs to go to the Council for approval. Johnson noted that option 1,
(technological advancements) had already been dealt with by the Council allocating
funds and further requests have been included in 1998 budget requests. Option 2,
use of city employees is an administrative internal policy we are proceeding with.
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Option 3, duty crew management could do as no additional funds are required, but
he would want City Council support. Option 4, additional full-time staff is a budget
issue which has already been submitted for consideration in the 1998 budget
request. Option #5, to increase the number of volunteers is a problem as we
currently only have about 60 firefighters and are authorized 71.
Bildsoe asked what the $26,000 in the traffic signal preemption request authorized
in 1997 included. Burke noted that we are currently in the process of purchasing
several emitters for both the fire and police departments. Bildsoe asked if we
could do all the signals in the City at one time, what that would be the cost. Burke
stated he believed it could be two million or more. Gerdes stated he thought it may
be in the half million dollar range. Bildsoe asked what the cost is per signal.
Gerdes stated that the cost varies depending on the age and configuration of the
signal. He stated that is why we are prioritizing the intersections that would be the
most benefit. He stated that intersection of Co Rd 9 and Larch is the number one
priority as it is a major feeder intersection out of a fire station.
Gerdes noted that we are purchasing 20 emitters at $795 each to be split 10 for
fire and 10 for police. We have also requested to purchase additional ones in the
1998 budget request.
Preus asked if we need to make a recommendation to the Council from this report.
Gerdes recommended that the subcommittee accept the report and forward copies
to the Council for their review and information. Koehnen stated she would support
that recommendation. Bildsoe made a motion to accept the report from fire
department staff and direct staff to include cost items in the budget request and
forward copies of the report to the City Council. Spigner seconded the motion.
Preus asked if there was any further discussion on this item.
Goldstein stated he would like to express the importance of the duty crew. He
noted other departments have something similar and it is a very valuable program.
Bildsoe noted he would also encourage staff to pursue some type of incentive with
local business employers to aid daytime response. Preus noted he would like to
thank the fire department for a good realistic plan. He stated the Public Safety
Department is good at taking economic realities and financial consequences into
account when making recommendations on programs. Koehnen asked the fire
department to keep this subcommittee updated on further developments. Preus
called for a vote on the motion; all voted in favor, motion passed.
Gerdes noted that at the last meeting with the Fire Department there was a request
made for the training schedule as some members wanted to attend some sessions.
A copy of the training schedule was attached to the minutes for review. The
subcommittee members thanked the fire department for their presentation and the
fire department members left the meeting.
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The next item on the agenda was the graffiti ordinance. Gerdes noted this item
was previously before the subcommittee as the result of an issue with "Can -Do
Recycling" which the Council is aware of. He noted at that time the subcommittee
was concerned about a possible double victimization of the property owner when
they had to pay for the clean-up as well. The issue was referred to the internal
police community policing committee for review and recommendations. As the
issue is not a significant problem within the city, we had not addressed it again.
Goldstein noted that the police community policing committee had put the issue on
the back burner. They addressed it when the issue had been brought forward again
from Saundra Spigner through the Chief. He noted the committee thought the
ordinance was a good idea; but they had three areas of concern. First, if it was
commercial property, they thought the property owner should be responsible for the
cost of cleanup. Second, if it was private property, the private resources of the
owner should be evaluated and City should be able to help with the labor costs at
least. Last, if the City was helping with labor, there should be a waiver signed by
the property owner and we could have the labor provided by a program such as the
PAYS program or the Hennepin County minimum security details if reasonable.
Preus asked if we have instances of gang graffiti. Goldstein noted we have had
gang -like graffiti but believe it is most likely kids emulating and replicating what
they have seen. Gerdes stated we have had an incident of satanic graffiti in a city
park and that turned out to be not an organized satanic group, but something they
had seen.
Spigner stated her concerns were keeping control over the upkeep of the city and
nothing to do with bias or gang crime. She stated from her perception she saw a
sign saying "I LUV YOU DICK" on Lancaster Apartments for over 3 weeks that it
was not dealt with and this is graffiti. Her concerns are that this type of problem is
cleaned up quickly and dealt with in a timely fashion.
Preus asked what the committee's preference on this issue was. Koehnen asked if
the three recommendations from the police committee would be added as she
thought they were good. Goldstein added the committee would also like to know
who would enforce the ordinance, the police or housing. He noted officers on the
committee were not in favor of looking for these problems, but would enforce
cleanup compliance. Koehnen stated she really liked the evaluation of financial
means component as she has concerns about elderly residents.
Johnson asked if coverage would be included in most insurance policies for this
type of cleanup. Gerdes noted we could check this out. Koehnen asked Goldstein
why the officers were concerned about who would enforce. Goldstein explained
they believed the inspection component was more appropriate for housing. Spigner
asked if there was anything that would make the officers more comfortable with
this. Goldstein stated he did not believe it is a comfort issue, but more an
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appropriate issue. Preus noted there is a difference in the nature of enforcement.
Goldstein noted the police and housing departments are currently working together
to enforce the numbering on houses requirement and a cooperative effort like that
would work for this issue also. Bildsoe stated he also has experience on this and
the problems are identified by Reserves, patrol officers or inspectors and then
letters are sent and this has worked well. He also noted if the graffiti is in a public
area the city would take care of it.
At this point Kim Koehnen left the meeting.
Spigner stated it is her belief that with this kind of law it is more appropriate for the
police to enforce rather than tie up attorneys and staff. She stated she believes the
public has more respect for officers than housing inspectors.
Johnson stated he believed we are getting ahead of ourselves. He stated we need
to decide what we should do with the ordinance and staff can work out
enforcement details and make a recommendation. Gerdes agreed staff would work
out details of enforcement, but asked if we would bring the recommendation back
to this group, or send to the Council. Goldstein stated he thought everyone here
was in support of the ordinance. Spigner made a motion to have staff add the
recommendations from the police committee to the ordinance, work out the details
of enforcement and bring it back to the subcommittee. Preus seconded the motion.
All in favor, motion passed.
The next item on the agenda was the issue of parking on 36" Avenue near
Zanzibar. This item was referred to the subcommittee by the Council and involves
a request made to the Council in conjunction with a project. The request was to
post 36" Avenue from Vicksburg lane to Rockford Road with signs stating "NO
PARKING 2 a.m. to 4 p.m., Monday through Friday.
Gerdes recommended the subcommittee table this item from consideration at time
and wait for the development as this is not an issue at this time and is dependent
on the development. There was consensus from the group in discussion this was a
good idea. Gerdes moved this issue be tabled until or unless it becomes an issue
again with the development. Bildsoe seconded the motion. All in favor, motion
passed.
The next agenda item was discussion of the City's animal ordinance and issues
surrounding its revision. Spigner noted that this is an important item to her and she
has some issues. Gerdes noted this will be a controversial issue no matter what is
done. We are looking for direction from the subcommittee on how to proceed, for
example with public meetings.
Spigner stated she believes it is good to discuss the issues at this level. She stated
one of her concerns is the fact that we limit residents to two dogs, but they can
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have as many cats as they like and the cats can do whatever. She stated she
would like to see something done with the ordinance and believes it is time to put
the issues on the table. Bildsoe asked if there is really any problem with cats
within the city. Goldstein and Cox both related that we do have many cat
complaints on a regular basis.
Gerdes stated we need at least a direction from the subcommittee on how to
proceed. Johnson noted first we need to decide if we want to move forward.
Gerdes agreed the first question is if and then how. He noted one of the ways to
proceed is to divide into separate issues. Johnson stated the key questions the
subcommittee needs to decide are if, what, and how.
Spigner noted she is concerned and would like to see us deal with the number of
dogs issue right away, then deal with cats. Gerdes noted that historically the
Council has taken a strong stand on the limit of two dogs. We could then leave the
basic ordinance at two and allow a permit for three or more. Spigner noted she has
a problem with this and believes the minimum allowed without a permit should be
three. Gerdes noted we currently have several locations where families have more
than two dogs and we have notified them with agreement from the City Attorney,
that we will not be enforcing the number at this time as it is under review. He
noted that it is important to move this issue forward to deal with these situations.
Bildsoe asked if these cases are ones where the multiple dogs are creating a
nuisance that we need to deal with right away. Gerdes explained that as we have
looked at these situations, we found this is usually not the case. In most of the
cases there is some other concern the neighbors are feuding over and they have
turned in the neighbor with more than two dogs as part of the feud. In one of the
cases, the issue is one of where one neighbor is parking a vehicle and has
escalated. We are working with these neighbors currently and attempting to get
them into mediation.
Spigner stated this is an issue for her as she does not want anyone telling her she
cannot have three dogs. Bildsoe stated he is in favor of a permit for three.
Johnson stated from the discussion it appears the majority believe we should
consider some changes to the ordinance. The big question is how; sequentially or
all at once. He stated he favors the sequential option.
Spigner stated the direction she would like to see is the ordinance divided up fair
and equally across the board for both cats and dogs. Bildsoe he has one of each
and there is a huge difference as far as care and feeding between cats and dogs.
Spigner stated she believes this is a individual basis as some people cannot take
care of one pet of any kind.
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Preus asked the group what is the recommendation of where we go from here. Do
we consider the question of dogs first? Bildsoe asked if we could get a list of the
options. Spigner agreed this is step one in the process of the entire ordinance.
Preus noted for practical reasons we may want to separate the issues, but
philosophically it would be easier to handle all at once. He agreed as previously
stated that it is not necessarily the number of dogs that is the problem, it is the
owner. Gerdes noted that is the point of the permit as we would have a chance to
review the care of the animals. Spigner agreed with the concept of the permit, but
again stated she believes it should be three dogs without a permit. Preus stated it
appears we all agree there should be a permit process, but need to determine at
what number. Johnson noted it will be hard to go backward. Goldstein noted we
have an individual who is extremely ill and has the dogs for comfort. If we allowed
them to have more dogs, it would be hard to later tell them they had to get rid of
one.
Spigner stated if we go ahead and go for a permit after two dogs, it should
automatically include cats and deal with the number issue on both right away.
Johnson clarified whether Spigner was saying she would like to be two dogs and
two cats and more of either would require a permit, then we go on to other
regulations. Spigner answered that was what she stated. Further she stated she
thought the last thing we need to address is licensing of cats. She stated she
believes this is important as we have more leverage with the license on the record.
Johnson noted that Gerdes had said something about technological advancements
to aid in licensing and identifying cats if they could not wear a collar. Gerdes
stated there have been advancements in the "chip" which is implanted in the animal
and identifies the owner and this is what he was referring to. He further stated we
have more background information regarding animals and could provide a lot more
background to members before that meeting. He stated that then he would
suggest we really get out the information to the public for input and come back to
the committee one more time.
Spigner noted that she would like to see the public meetings be by Ward as the
demographics for each Ward are different. Johnson suggested we could include
this topic in the regular Ward meetings which are scheduled for this fall. There was
discussion whether that would be timely enough to deal with the issue. Gerdes
noted that we would be discussing the issue one more time at the next
subcommittee meeting which would be August and we had a proposed timeline to
have the ordinance to Council in October. He stated the regular Ward meetings
would fall in with this schedule.
The next item on the agenda was the Mission Statement. Gerdes gave the
background that the draft was made in March and then the subcommittee members
met with representatives of both the police and fire departments. We were then to
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come back and review the document one last time before making our
recommendations to the Council. Preus asked if any changes were made to the
document from the discussions with the police and fire department groups. Gerdes
replied there were none and from discussions there was general acceptance from
the groups. All were in favor of changing the name to the Subcommittee on Public
Safety and adding a fire representative to the group.
Preus stated he agreed with the Chief's comments and stated further we need
more citizen representation on the subcommittee. He noted Kim Koehnen has been
gracious to continue to assist us while serving on the Planning Commission, but he
thought we need more citizen involvement. Bildsoe noted as stated earlier, all the
Wards of the City are different and he would like to see one representative from
each Ward. Gerdes stated this would be a balanced make-up of four citizens, four
staff members and then the City Council representatives. Johnson stated it does
not matter to him whether he is a voting member or not. Preus stated he thought
all members should be voting members.
Goldstein asked when we would bring the new members on. Preus answered that
as soon as the recommendation is approved by Council we would begin the
process. Goldstein noted we would need to schedule a special meeting to get them
up to speed. Gerdes stated we now have the structure of the subcommittee set
up, so that will help, but agreed we will need to educate the new members.
Preus agreed we have the structure in place and subcommittee working well and he
believes future meetings will be similar to today's meeting. Johnson stated he
would like to see the citizens added sooner rather than later. He added he would
suggest perhaps two citizen representatives rather than four, simply because he is
concerned the group may get too large. Preus states'he shares the concern about
the group getting too large, but believed four with one from each Ward is the right
number.
He then asked how the rest of the group felt about who should vote. Spigner
stated she agreed all members should vote, as did Bildsoe.
Bildsoe stated he thought more citizens are a benefit as they have no preconceived
notions so you get pure opinions on issues. Goldstein asked if we have a current
list of people to consider. Spigner stated yes, that when the Council did the
process in December for people interested in committees and commissions, they
asked all -if they would be interested in this subcommittee. They do have a list of
those who said they were. Spigner stated these individuals should be considered
and at least interviewed for the openings. Bildsoe stated we should also put it out
to solicit more names.
Spigner asked if we decided to select them by Ward. Goldstein stated that sounds
like a good idea, but would the committee be too big. He stated he didn't think so.
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Preus agreed that it is a good idea to have one from each Ward and the size is
manageable. Bildsoe agreed and stated he would like to have four. He then asked
what staff needs to be directed to put out the information to solicit interested
citizens. Preus stated we first need to make our recommendation to the Council
and have it approved. In that we will recommend staff be directed to advertise for
one representative from each Ward.
It was the consensus of the subcommittee to put the recommendations on the
upcoming Council meeting consent agenda and that the subcommittee members
will conduct interviews, make selections, and recommendations to the Council who
then appoints.
The next meeting of the subcommittee was set for Thursday, August 71h at 6:00
p.m. The group also stated they need to get a regular meeting date for each month
set to be easier on the citizens.
Gerdes made a motion to adjourn, Spigner seconded the motion. All in favor,
motion passed.
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July 25, 1997
CITY OF
PLYPIOUTR
Ernest and Gerda Erickson
2520 West Medicine Lake Drive
Plymouth, MN 55441
Dear Mr. and Mrs. Erickson:
This letter is to confirm that you have made application for the City of Plymouth's
Housing Rehabilitation Loan program. It appears from the information you have
provided that you will be eligible for assistance under that program. I will schedule
Glenn McL.earen of the City's Building Inspection Department to provide a Scope of
Improvements outlining the work to be done. In the meantime, please secure at least
two written work proposals from contractors stating the cost and work to rebuild your
north foundation wall and to make any other structural repairs necessary.
Assistant City Building Official Don Munson and I inspected the damage to your house
on Thursday, July 24'b, and were greatly impressed with your pioneer spirit and
determination to stay in your home. You both are to be commended for your
marvelous attitude and hospitality even in the farce of such trying chzumstances.
During the weeks of July 281b through August 8`h, I will be on vacation. While I am
away you may contact either Ed Goldsmith, HRA Supervisor, at 509-5412 or Barb
Peterson at 509-5411 regarding any specific questions you may have on this matter. At
any other time, you may call me at 509-5413.
Sincerely,
Milt Dale
Housing Specialist
cc Mayor Joy Tierney"
HRA Supervisor Ed Goldsmith
Assistant Building Official Don Munson
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Ernest and Gerda Erickson
2520 West Medicine Lake Drive
Plymouth, MN 55441
Dear Mr. and Mrs. Erickson:
I am responding to your July 23 letter to Mayor Tierney on the wall collapse of your
home. It was very unfortunate that this took place, but it is very fortunate that no one
was injured. It appears that you have taken the appropriate temporary measures until a
decision can be made on the permanent repairs.
Councilmember Saundra Spigner and I met with Ernest on July 31, to review your
concern. There is a drainage problem between you and your neighbor to the north which
must be corrected as part of any reconstruction of the basement wall. The City has
constructed a curb along West Medicine Lake Drive in order that water from the street
does not flow into your properties. The drainage problem, which was likely the cause of
the wall collapse, is from the channeling of water between yours and the neighbor's
property immediately along your foundation wall.
The professional advice that you get on reconstructing the wall should address how to
correct the drainage.
You are also working with Milt Dale, in the City Housing Department, on any possible
funding programs for the repair of the basement wall. You should continue to work with
Milt Dale and the City Housing Department on this issue.
Sincerely,
Fred G. Moore, P.E.
Director of Public Works
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July 29, 1997
Jay P. Nelson
Plymouth Housing Alliance
P.O. Box 41-202
Plymouth, MN 55441
Dear Jay:
We have looked into the history of the property along County Road 61 that you are asking the
City to consider donating to the Plymouth Housing Alliance. The first step in determining
whether such a donation might be possible would be to place your request on a City Council
agenda. Staff would present all the relevant background in a report to the Council as part of their
consideration.
Given current projects underway, I would estimate that the earliest we could schedule this matter
for Council consideration would be September 17, 1997. Planning Supervisor Barbara Senness
will be preparing the information for the City Council. You may contact her at 509-5452.
If you have any further questions about this matter, please contact me at 509-5401.
Sincerely,
Anne W. Hurlburt, AICP
Community Development Director
cc: Kathy Lueckert, Assistant City Manager
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July 17, 1997
Plymouth City Council
Plymouth City Hall
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, MN. 55447
Dear City Council Member;
I am enclosing a proposed plan for a piece of property along County Road 61 just north of Sunset
Trail and south of Carlson Parkway. The Plymouth Housing Alliance and The Carlson Companies
are working together to develop affordable housing on this site. The Carlson Companies expressed
a willingness to donate the south end of this land to the PHA. The City of Plymouth owns the south
most triangle of the site. If Plymouth could donate this unused and otherwise unusable piece of
land, we could inventory two more sites for affordable• housing.
We have met with Ann Hurlbert, John Rask, and the city engineering department. The property is
only accessible from County Road 61. We can bring utilities to the south end of the site from
Sunset. A narrow strip of land is available for this purpose. That strip is along the east side of
County Road 61.
If the City of Plymouth can donate this land, the PHA can provide affordable housing for two more
families in need. Please feel free to contact me at 373-4628 w or 478-2325 h.
Sincerely;
J y N lson, President of the Plymouth Housing Alliance
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August 1, 1997
Ms. Pamela Parker
1870 Juneau Lane North
Plymouth, MN 55447
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SUBJECT: CIMARRON EAST STREET RECONSTRUCTION
CITY PROJECT NO. 7002
Dear Ms. Parker:
As you are aware, the City Council has approved the acceptance of the private streets in
the Cimarron East development and construction has begun on the project. After a
public hearing on July 9, 1997, the City Council adopted the assessment for this project.
You had submitted a letter dated May 20, 1997, which was made a part of the hearing
when the City Council considered this matter. Of the 184 property owners in this
addition, yours was the only objection that the City Council received. The City Council
does appreciate and consider all input from citizens on a project.
You had two questions in your letter. A response to those questions is as follows:
1. How did the City arrive at the 70%/30% cost sharing?
The reconstruction of private streets is financed through both property
taxes and direct special assessments to the benefited properties. The
general concept of the program is that 70 percent of the cost to
reconstruct the private streets is financed through special assessments
and 30 percent through property taxes. A committee of the City
Council was established in 1995 to consider whether the City should
accept private streets into the City's public street system. When some
developments were approved by the City, they used private streets to
receive advantages regarding right-of-way width, setback of buildings,
and construction standards. If there had been public streets when the
development was approved, there would have been different standards
which would have been met. The 7050 percent cost sharing
established as part of accepting private streets took into consideration
original standards of development and that the properties with private
streets would have been paying into the street reconstruction fund
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since it was established in 1988. A major consideration was that the
streets should be brought to a public street standard by the current
owners before the City accepted them and assumed the maintenance
responsibility.
2. Will homeowner's property taxes go up after the road reconstruction?
The amount of the special assessments will be included as part of your
property taxes along with the interest, and will be paid over a five year
period. You do have the option of paying the amount of assessment to the
City at this time, and not accruing any interest. You previously received a
letter outlining your options on paying the special assessment. As a result of
the street reconstruction projects, the City will not re -value your property
which determines the amount of property taxes you pay. The City Assessor is
required to consider values of all properties within the City on an annual
basis. In townhome areas such as yours where there are a large number of
similar type units, one of the main factors in determining the fair market value
of the properties is the actual selling price of units throughout the year. This
is a major factor which the City Assessor uses in determining the market
value of the properties. If, as a result of street reconstruction or other
improvements by your association, the market value of the properties increase
as demonstrated by actual sales, this will be reflected by the City Assessor.
The overwhelming majority in your area submitted petitions favoring the reconstruction
of the streets and existing private streets becoming public streets as part of the city's
street system. This is the first development in the city for where this option has been
chosen by the property owners. As the streets are reconstructed, if you have any
concern, please do not hesitate to contact the City Engineering Department. You are
receiving news letter updates from both the City and your property association.
Sincerely,
Fred G. Moore, P.E.
Director of Public Works
cc: Kathy Lueckert, Assistant City Manager (C/R 97-48)
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May 20, 1997
Mayor Joy Tierney
City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Blvd.
Plymouth, MN 55447
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RE: Cimarron East Townhome Development
Takeover of Private Streets
Dear Mayor Tierney,
I was not able to attend the hearing meeting which was held on May 7, 1997 for
the proposed takeover of Cimarron East's private streets by the city of Plymouth.
Therefore, I would like to take a few lines to express my concerns with regard to
I'lis project.
Neither during the 1996 or 1997 Annual Homeowners meeting or during the
informational meeting held on April 21, 1997 by the City of Plymouth were my
questions answered. The reply I received was I do not know.
How did the city officials arrive at the final formula for the private street owners
paying 70% and the city paying 30% for the cost of first time partial reconstruction
and mill/overlay projects?
Will homeowners property taxes go up after the road reconstruction project is
completed? I am not talking about the 5 or 7 year assessment for the cost of the
^/ork.
"°y point of view is as follows: If property taxes will not be impacted, why would
homeowners who's homes are on private streets be expected to pay for 70% of
L! e initial cost of repairs. This would mean homeowners on private streets have
been paying taxes at the same rate as any other Plymouth resident who happens
to live on a public street, but not having been receiving any benefit for road repair
and snow removal unlike the other residents. Therefore the city should be paying
'.he higher percentage and not the homeowner who happens to live on a private
street.
If City Council's concern was and is that every private street in Plymouth would
want to become public and the city may have not been kept up with the costs.
Than why was a road condition rating system not put into place which would
reflect the amount of work required to bring streets up to city code vs. the actual
cost. I.E.
Complete reconstruction
Partial reconstruction
Mill/overlay
Private Party Pays Ci Pays
70%
30%
50%
50%
30%
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Either of the above plans seem fair and more reasonable than a cut and dry 70/30
split to no explanation for the arrangement. From my point of view, the only
re•-ason the City would have adopted a 70130% initial rating system was that you
Gid not think any association would be stupid enough to accept the offer and pay
the outrageous price.
The fact of the matter is that many associations will probably agree to pay the
outrageous price, but only because the city is a large volume buyer of road repair
services and can still get a lower price and faster service. Unfortunately, what it
shows me is once again the indifference all forms of government seem have to
with regard to the cost of life for the common working individual, let alone the
r,;any seniors on fixed incomes and pines collar works earning a lower wage, but
still trying to own a modest -home. You should all me ashamed of yourself.
I did riot want `^Wu or other Council members to believe everyone agrees with the
concept of Cimarron's private street becoming public at such an unreasonable
cost. I believe Plymouth City Council Members all know you are taking advantage
of the situation that many townhome developments have been put into by land
developers. The Plymouth Council members and the Cimarron Board members
were both looking for an easy out or to save face at the expense of homeowners
put into a bad situation. If this weren't so new laws governing the way townhome
associates are developed, would not have been enacted. I have said my peace.
Thank you for taking the time to read and listen to a fellow Plymouth resident,
taxpayer and active voter.
Respectfully,
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Pamela Parker
1870 Juneau Lane North
Plymouth, MN 55447
473-3986
CC. Cimarron East Board
August 1, 1997
Mr. Dwight S. Harvey
General Manager
LAUKKA DEVELOPMENT COMPANY
3300 Edinborough way #201
Edina, MN 55435
SUBJECT: PARKERS LAKE NORTH 3RD ADDITION
Dear Mr. Harvey:
I am responding to your letter of June 13, 1997, and the statement in that letter from you
that four homeowners in the Sun Court (Parkers Lake North 3`d Addition) recently called
City offices to complain about the condition of the streets in their part of town. You got
the understanding from these four homeowners that City employees blame the condition
of the streets on Laukka Development. I have inquired of all employees within
Engineering and the Public Works Maintenance Departments of the City on any
questions or comments they received on the streets in this area. No one can recall
receiving any inquiries or making comments. There is no correspondence from any
citizens. Of course, a comment could have been made directly by a maintenance worker
to a property owner at the site of which we would have no knowledge. If this did occur
and there was any misunderstanding, please accept my apology.
I am aware of only two maintenance problems within this area. They are, placement of
snow from private properties in the street right-of-way, and some slight curb settlements
as a result of the sewer and water services installed to the properties.
As you are aware, this development was a new and innovative type proposed by Laukka
and Associates to the City. As part of the City approval, there was a concern because of
our long winter conditions on adequate space for snow removal from the private
driveways and the public streets. For this reason, a condition was entered into between
the City and Laukka Development. This condition stated that no snow from the private
driveways was to be placed on the public street right-of-way or cul-de-sac islands.
Because of the large amount of snow that the City received last snow season, this was a
problem throughout the year. Both the City, in removing snow from the public streets,
and the contractor working for the homeowner's association on private driveways had
difficulty in finding a place to store the snow. Toward the end of the year, a great deal
of snow had to be stored in the cul-de-sac islands and actually into the street within this
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area. If you are not directly familiar with this requirement, I am attaching a copy of a
page from the development contract between the City and Laukka Development. This
item is numbered 14.6.
The only other issue that we are aware of is some minor curb settlements within the area.
These curb settlements are where the sanitary sewer and water services were installed by
the contractor from the public sewer and water in the center of the street into each lot.
The City does require the contractor to provide a maintenance bond and make any
corrections within two years of the construction of the utilities. These curb settlements
did not appear until the third year after construction. Through the City's street
maintenance program, a curb settlement which is posing a hazard will be corrected. The
City does not have the funding to address curb settlements which only are objectionable
from an aesthetic point of view.
If you have any other questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Sincerely,
Fred G. Moore, P.E.
Director of Public Works
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3300 Edinborough Way #202
Edina, MN 55435
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14. Other Requirements (continued)
14.4 Compliance with Policy Resolution No. 79-80 regarding minimum floor
elevations for new structures in subdivisions adjacent to, or containing
any open storm water drainage facility.
14.5 Yard setbacks shall be per approved final plans.
14.6 Appropriate legal documents regarding Homeowner Association documents,
covenants and restrictions as approved by the City Attorney, shall be
filed with the subsequent Final Plats. They shall include the
prohibition from placing snow from private driveways onto -all public
street right-of-way and cul-de-sac islands; and the responsibility to
maintain the landscaping in the City right-of-way.
14.7 The Developer will provide copies of the approved overall PUD Plan and
its conditions as an addendum to their purchase agreements.
14.8 Development shall comply with the approved Environmental Impact
Statement and related permits.
14.9 No Building Permits shall be issued until a contract has been awarded
for sewer and water and the MPCA Permit issued.
14.10 A development identification sign shall be placed on the property at the
main entrance showing the approved PUD Plan and Staging prior to
issuance of Building Permits.
14.11 Driveway access shall be limited to internal public roads and restricted
from Vicksburg Lane, County Road 6 and 18th Avenue North.
14.12 Final Plat Mylars shall refer to MPUD No. 83-1.
14.13 Rezoning shall be finalized with filing of the Final Plat.
14.14 No Building Permits shall be issued until the Final Plat is filed and
recorded with Hennepin County. No Building Permit shall be issued for
the lots adjoining or abutting the trails or emergency road until the
trails and emergency road are surfaced.
14.15 No future yard setback variances are granted or implied.
14.16 The Homeowner's Association shall be responsible for the maintenance and
restoration, as needed, of the landscaping in the median
divider/ islands, and in the boulevard and/or easement areas adjacent to
the streets this accounts in part for the reduced yard setback
dimensions due to the street width and- desired arrangements.
14.17 An emergency vehicle access with appropriate surface approved by the
City Engineer shall be provided as an easement, to be duly dedicated,
from the Southeast corner to County Road 6.
14.18 Landscape islands in cul-de-sacs shall be approved for Phase I only and
approval of landscape islands for Phase II cul-de-sacs shall be withheld
until it is determined that they are acceptable and appropriate, per
experience with Phase I.
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LAUKKA DEVELOPMENT COMPANY
3300 EDINBOROUGH WAY, #201
EDINA, MINNESOTA 55435
612 896-1971
FAX 896-1192
June 13, 1997
Mr. Fred Moore,
Director of Public Works
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth MN 55447-1482
Dear Mr. Moore:
Four homeowners in the Suncourt at Parkers Lake (Parkers Lake North 3`d Addition) detached
home neighborhood we developed in Plymouth have recently called the City offices to complain
about the condition of the streets in their part of town. We understand from these homeowners
that City employees have blamed the condition of these streets on L.A. Laukka Development.
The homeowners have subsequently complained to the management company for the
homeowners' association which has reported these comments to us..
I would like to remind you and your fellow City employees that all streets in the 3`d Addition of
Parkers Lake were designed to the City's engineering standards under terms of specific
Developer Agreements. The engineering firm involved was BRW, Inc., a firm thought to be weli
respected in the industry, who provided on site inspections on the installation of all streets in the
neighborhood. City employees also periodically made inspections throughout the process.
Without digging back through the records, it is my recollection that the City accepted the
contractors maintenance bond and assumed responsibility for on-going maintenance of those
streets back in 1990 or 1991 after a final inspection by City employees.
For a City employee to blame the problem on the developer some 8 or 7 years after the City
accepted responsibility for these streets is a "cheap -shot" and not appreciated. We expect you
to remind your employees that these streets belong to the City of Plymouth and that repairs, if
any, are to be made by the City using tax collections paid by these homeowners. Lets stop
shifting the "blame."
Thank you for hearing me out.
Sincerely,
Dwight S. Harvey,
General Manager
Cc: LAL , Parkers Lake Homeowners Association,
Mayor Tierney
Mr. John J. Donovan III
18720 - 39`h Avenue North
Plymouth, MN 55446
Dear Mr. Donovan:
I am responding to, your letter and petition to the City dated June 25, 1997, concerning the
wetlands in the Len Busch property along Medina Road. Shane Missaghi, City Water Resources
Engineer, a representative of the Hennepin Conservation District, you and two other property
owners, and I met at the site on June 30 to discuss the wetland issues in your letter. At the
conclusion of that meeting, we stated that the City would do a thorough research of the wetlands
in the Len Busch property.
The research has taken longer than expected, but we wanted to do a thorough examination.
Attached is a report from Shane Missaghi, Water Resources Engineer, on the wetlands which you
stated in your letter had been filled. As stated in the memorandum from Mr. Missaghi, maps
from over the past 25 years were used to conduct this research. For these wetlands, the State of
Minnesota only adopted wetland protection in 1991. Any activities before 1991, were not
regulated by the State of Minnesota or the City of Plymouth.
After a thorough examination, we have determined that there have been no wetland filling
violations since 1991. Any impacts prior to this date are exempt under the State Wetland Laws.
During our previous meeting, we did clarify several points or statements in your letter. They
were as follows:
1. Wetlands were partially filled in last year and a citation was issued to
Len Busch, but no action has been taken to restore the lost wetlands.
When a complaint was made about two years ago that Mr. Busch was filling the
wetland, the City did a thorough examination at that time. No wetland filling
was taking place and there was no citation issued to Mr. Busch. Any citations
for wetland violations are not issued by the City of Plymouth, but are issued by
the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources.
2. A new culvert has drained the level in the wetlands.
For over ten years, a culvert has existed under an access driveway in the
property. This culvert was extended a few years ago to widen the driving
surface of this driveway. The elevation of the culvert was not changed from
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that which has existed; and therefore, the culvert extension had no impact on
the water level within the wetlands.
3. Sloppy operations, leaving trucks parked outside, and empty pallets in clear
view of the subdivision behind the greenhouse.
Joe Ryan, Building Official, was also in attendance at our meeting along with Pat, a
representative from Len Busch. They will address the operation of the greenhouse facility and the
regulations of the City of Plymouth. As defined by State law, this operation is classified as an
agriculture use and therefore by State law they are exempt from many other urban regulations that
can be established by the City.
A few months ago, as part of a land division process, the large wetland in the northerly portion of
the Busch property was delineated and markers set along its boundaries. This was not required of
the wetland, which you are addressing along Medina Road, since it had no impact from the
building of the single family home. To clarify future issues of whether there are any wetland
impacts or filling, I am requesting Len Busch to delineate the wetland along Medina Road. There
is no legal obligation for the property owner to do this, but if completed, there could be a clear
understanding of the wetland boundaries.
If you or other residents in the Bridlewood/Saddlewood Development along Medina Road have
other concerns or comments, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Sincerely,
Fred G. Moore, P.E.
Director of Public Works
enclosur
cc:',Kathy Lueckert, Assistant City Manager (C/R 97-50)
Lisa and Rick Halverson
18710 - 39' Avenue North
Plymouth, MN 55446
Gail and Roger Gangste
18600 - 39 h Avenue North
Plymouth, MN 55446
Len Busch
4045 Highway 101
Plymouth, MN 55446
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DATE: July 23, 1997
TO: Fred Moore, Director of Public Works
FROM: Shane Missag i, ater esources Engineer
SUBJECT: WETLAND HISTORY AND ACTIVITY
LEN BUSH PROPERTY
Background: Wetland history - Len Bush property is located on Medina Road in
southwest, northwest Section 18 . (Fig. 1 & 2). Reviewing the available aerial
photography and the property tax records, the property seems to have been primarily used
for farming.
Various resources were used to establish an approximate area of the possible
jurisdictional wetland areas on this property. These resources included: Department of
Natural Resources Map of Protected Waters; U.S. Fish and Wildlife National Wetland
Inventory; Hennepin County Soil Survey; Area Topographic maps; Plymouth 1994
Wetland Inventory; and Aerial photography of the past 25 years were reviewed
It appears that up to 1979 and early 1980's the western half of the property was plowed
and farmed with few structures and livestock/pasture covering the rest of the property. A
narrow water drainage also traveled through the middle of the property, from west to east.
This drainage area can also be seen on the 1964 contour map (Figure 8) which also
corresponds well with the 1971 aerial photo (Fig. 3). No wetland basins appear to have
been on the property, prior to the 1970's. In the later years, the extent of the on-site
wetland basins was limited to the narrow water drainage, with two small basins appearing
along the new fence line in the 1979 and '84 aerial photos (Fig. 3, 4, & 5).
By 1985 (Fig. 6), these small wetland basins were connected with the adjacent wetland on
the northeast corner of the property. The new basin also extends westerly surrounding
the dwelling on the property. These additional wetland areas could have been created
because of the new fence line, lack of livestock, and not being farmed.
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LEN BUSH PROPERTY
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The 1989 aerial photo (Fig. 7), shows the wetland area reduced by additional farming,
grading, and removal of some of the buildings. By now, the basin begins to take the
shape of its present area. The 1994 aerial photo (Fig. 2) depicts approximately the same
area of wetland -with some additional wetland areas on the east side due to less farming
and plowing.
DNR Protected Water: No DNR protected waters or wetlands are identified on this site.
National Wetland Inventory: The Federal NWI maps a small basin on the south border of
the property east of the buildings as a seasonally flooded basin (PEMC) (Fig. 9).
Plymouth 1994 Wetland Inventory: A large medium quality wetland is identified the City
inventory (Fig. 9). The boundaries of the medium quality wetland basin identified in the
inventory corresponds with that of the 1994 and 1989 aerial photos.
Conclusion: After reviewing the past aerial photos (1971-1994) and the history, it
appears that all or some of the current wetland basins are the results of:
• enlargement of the original waterway
• installation of fences in the early 1980's
• change of farming practices.
Minnesota Wetland Conservation Act (WCA): We were informed on June 17, 1997
and again on June 25, 1997 of possible WCA violations on the site. The alleged
violations were referring to the street sweepings that the City was placing on the property.
After site investigation, it was found that all street sweepings were placed outside the
wetland boundaries and that no wetland violations were made. Some wetland areas were
observed to have been previously filled or graded. However, considering the history of
these wetlands, these impacts are considered exempt under exemptions for incidental
wetlands or wetland de minimis.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
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John A Donovan /11
18720 30 Aveerve North
Plymouth, Minnesota 35446
Mayor Joy Tierney
City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, Minnesota 55447
Shane Missaghi
City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymoutli, Minnesota 55447
June 25, 1997
Dear Mayor and Mr. Missaghi:
Please find enclosed a Petition concerning tho wetlands along Medina Road next to the
Bridlewood subdivision. The Petition is signed by the residents who live near Medina Road and
can see the wetlands area and the Lon Bush greenhouse operations. Note that signatures for the
entire subdivision were not solicited but can be readily attainod if it is necessary to facilitate the
process.
The Petition represents our concern about the filling and draining of the statutorily protected
wetlands next to our subdivision and, in addition, the unnecessarily sloppy operations of the Len
Bush greenhouse operations. As tho Petition states, the wetlands were partially filled in last year
and a citation was issued to Lon Bush but no actions have been taken to restore the lost wetlnnds
as required by Minnesota Law and. we beliovo, the new Plymouth wetland protection law. In
addition, a new culvert has drained the level of water in the wetlands. Finally, the Petition
addressed the sloppy operations of leaving trucks parked outside, stacking mulch, and leaving
empty pallets in clear view of the subdivision and not behind the greenhouses.
All of the above mobilized the residents of Bridlewood to file this Petition. Remarkably, before
the Petition was circulated for signature, Len Bush had the city street department dump roughly
20 dump truck loads of sand into the wetlands. This was caught on video tape by a rosident who
also called the city's environmental group. This group stopped the dumping and had the sand
removed from the wetlands. It now sits on the edge, eroding back into the wetlands. Having the
city fill in the wetlands in light of the prior citation of one year earlier is probative of a complctc
disregard of state law and city ordinances. The concern stated in the Petition about the
possibility of future wetland violations turned out to be true.
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Accordingly, the Petition requests the following:
• Wetlands restoration as required by Minnesota law and city ordinances;
• Clear demarcation of the wetlands edges as it existod at the time the laws were
enacted;
• A binding contract that trucks not in use will not be parked in view of the
subdivision;
• A binding contract that pallets, unused sholving, piles of brush and other debris will
not be stored in view of tho subdivision;
• Any dirt resulting from wetlands restoration and the sand from the city will be used
to begin an earthen hill between the greenhouses and the subdivision;
• Trees will be planted botween the greenhouses and the subdivision on the south side
of the wetlands where an earthen hill is not possible.
Please contact the first three signatories of the Petition concerning any input and/or
representation of the subdivision concerning the above objectives. It should be noted the
residents are very concerned about this issue in light of the recent debacle of dumping and the
apparent desire of Len Bush hoses to fill in the wetlands.
Kindest Regards,
John J. Donovan 111
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PETITIONBYBRIDLEWOOD/SADDLEWDO RESIDENT'S
CONCERNING LEN BUSH QPERA TIO1V
Jane 23,1997
Persons signing this complaint assert the following:
1. We are concerned that the statutorily protected wetlands just on the north side of Medina
road and across from Bridiewood/Saddlebrook have been compromised. This area was
partially filled in on the west side on the north side along the access road during the
construction of the greenhouses in the summer of 1996. The city issued a citation to Len
Bush during construction but no actions have been taken to restore the lost wetlands.
2. It appears that culvert placed under the access road reduced the level of water in the
wetlands. This drainage has reduced the amount and quality of vegetation, including the
presence of cattails. We believe this is a violation of Minnesota law. In addition, this may
compromise drainage capacity of rain water flows from Bridlewood through the wetlands
and on to Elm Creek. '
3. In light of the recent past, we are concerned about the possibility of future wetland violations
of either further filling or draining. To determine what wetlands restoration is required by
Minnesota law and protect against future violations, we hereby request a copy of city maps
that show the site of the wetlands as it existed from some time ago and currently.
4. We did not have a reasonable chance to understand the nature of these greenhouse operations
because the public meeting was held well after 11:00 PM at night. We presumed that, worst
case, the operations would mirror existing operations. The new greenhouse operations do not
mirror existing operations.
• Trucks are accessing the greenhouses throughout the day and night, including semi -
trucks with full size trailers and three yard front loaders past midnight.
• Trucks not in use are parked outside 24 hours s day, creating an eyesore. This is
inconsistent with representations of Len Bush representatives that parking would not
occur with sight of the subdivision.
• pallets, unused shelving, piles of brush and other debris is stored in clear view of the
subdivision creating an additional eyesore.
• No earthen hill exist between the greenhouses and the subdivision.
• No trees have been planted between the greenhouses and the subdivision.
We hope this petition will make the city and Len Bush aware of our concerns so that both Len
Bush and the residents of Bridlewood can happily co -exist without unnecessarily compromising
the ability of Len Bush to operate greenhouses (on rurally, not commercially, zoned property),
Plymouth taxpayers to live in the Bridlewood subdivision without unnecessary visual or noise
pollution, and, most importantly, ensure the protection of wetland and wildlife resources.
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THE FIRST THREE PEOPLE CAN BE CONTACTED BY THE CITY
CONCERNING RESOLUTION THIS PETITIQN
NAME STREET ADDRESS PHONE
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