HomeMy WebLinkAboutPark and Recreation Advisory Commission Minutes 12-04-1980Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Commission
December 4, 1980
Commissioners Present. James Rice,, Betty Threinen, Steve Chesebrough, Alam Brass,
Barbara Edwards, John Mul?an, and Frank Dvorak
Staff Present; Eris Blank and Nancy helgeson.
Others Present: Ron Anderton, Curt, Swanson Ronald Davidson, and
Pete Thomsen from the Bass Lake Improvement Association
1 CALL TO ORDER
Commissioner `Dhreinen.called the meeting to order at 7:40 p.m, in the Plymouth
City Center Council Chambers. (tiairman Rice had not yet arrived.)
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The minutes of the November meeting were approved as read by a motion from
Commissioner Brass.. The motion was seconded. by Commissioner Ch esebrough and
carried with a vote of six ayes.
S. 'VISITOR PRESENTATIONS
A) No Athletic Association representatives were present..
B) Others inattendance came interested in the Bass Lake access issue.
C) Jane Sletten and Rick: Busch gave written reports to the Commissioners
but were not present at this month's meeting.
4. REPORT ON PAST COUNCIL. ACTIONS
Commissioner Threinen pointed that a new mayor (David Davenport) and a
new council member ("Jim Threinen) had been sworn in at the. December
1 City Council. meeting. W,vector Blank had nothing further to report
on past council actions.
S, UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
A) Bass Lake Accessd Report from FRAC Subco maittee _ Report from Staff on
Status of Timbers -hones Access. Poten al -Conm ssioner Brass paesente-& his
committee's report to PW and DriTa—tor Blank which pointed out five major
concerns: 1) the City should develop a policy regarding the availability
of lake shore and lake access to Plymouth residents, 2) PRAC should adopt
land acquisition guidelines within the next master plan, S) there should
be some way to control boat and motor size, as well as controlling launch
and park areas; and resident parking stickers need to be examined as practiced
in other communities, 4) certain lakes should be identified for use by
only sailboats and canoes, and 5) joint policy guidelines need to be established
with the DNR, Hennepin. County,, and the cities of Wayzata, Orono, and
Medicine Lake.
Directtr Blank 'Chen gave his report which stated that the DNR has formally
accepted Boyer Palmer's property, Our, own city crews will be surveying
Bass Lame and Timbershores Park to see if access is possible from this
location, and a report on this survey will be presented at the January
PRAC meeting. Pete 'Thomsen asked if, the City had stated a position on
aeration and; maintenance of Bass Lake, and Director Blank said that this
question would also be addressed in his retort next month..
B) Playfield Update Oakwood and Plymouth Jr, High shelter buildings should,
be finisTiTTy eceAber 25, and LaCompte and Fernbrook buildings completed
by January 1. Fernbrook and Rdgemount playfields have been grader, and
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sod installation is scheduled for next spring.. The purchase of 33 acres.
from Carl Lee for the Zachary playfield has: been completed also.
Director blank is. meeting with representatives from Pilgrim United Methodist
Church on Tuesday, December 9. regarding swapping,54,,000 square feet of
land for the Zachary playfield.
the hockey prinks are in the process of being flooded, and they wi,.,, be
ready for use before the buildings are finished.
C) Prudential Drvelo scent - Trail - Director Blank shared a report and maps
with the Commissioners regar ing the Prudential Development and stated
that two trails are called for in the Comprehensive Park Plan He also
discussed several areas in, this development that !night be suitable for
small neighborhood parks. Chai rrAn; Rioa arrived at this moment and stated
his concern regarding developing small parks. Discussion cont nued,on
the development of trails in this area, and
COMMISSIONER BRASS MOTIONED THAT FRAC SHOULD ADOPT DIRECTOR BLANK.`S
RECOMMENDATION IN ITEM l OF HIS STAFF REPORT WHICH INCLUDES A TRAIT,
FROM XENI;I iLANE TO THE TRAIL UNDERPASS AT I-444, COWiISSIONER
MULIAN SECONDED THE NOTION W4.101 SUBSEQUENTLY CARRIED WITH SIX
COMMISSIONERS VOTING AYE.
There followed further discussion on the location of three neighbor-
hood parks in; this area. FRAC asked staff to report back. to them on
the viability of three sites and what development would cost the
city. Items to consider in; determing if these sites. are acceptable
included; 1) population served, 2) resident's access to the sites,
3) conversation with Church representatives, and 4) cost of purchasing,
land from Prude*tial.
D) Comprehensive Park Plan Director Blank had no new information on this
item.,
E) Carlson Center -'there was no additional information to report on the
Carlson Center at this time.
F) Discuss Commission Training Workshop Director Blank announced that a.
training session for commissioners would be held at the MRPA'headquarters
on January 1.3 which would include items such as agenda brainstorming and
topics for discussion.. Director Blank and Chairman Rice have been dis-
cussing holding a -workshop for commissioaers regarding "recreation in
the 801s." There would;be two components to this workshop: first, the
educational component dealing with the future of leisure activities in
society; and second, a presentation by our park consultant dealing with
th,e•update of the park plan. Chairman Rice and Director Blank will,
put together a memo regarding dates and;a location.
6.. NEW BUSINESS
A) Now Plats - There are no new plats to discuss.
B) DowntownnPP1 mouth Sidewalk Plan The first commercial development for
downtown Plymout as been approved; however, it does not include any
sidewalks. We now need a comprehensive sidewalk plan for immediate
implementation. Director Blank shared a map of proposed sidewalk system.
with the Commissioners as well as presenting a,staff memo explaining the.
system..
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is COMMISSIONER 'THREINEN "`MOTIONED THAT TETE CITY OF PLYMOUTH ADOPT
INE SIDEWALK NETWORK OF STAFF'S DECEMBER I NIEMO, COINCIDING WTIN
STATED CONSIDERATIONS,, COALS, AREAS OF 1NI REST AND TRAIL SYSTEM
PLAN. THESE SIDEWALKS WILL BE CUNSTRLXPEDBY '14iE DEVELOPER IN
ACCORDINANCF WITH CITY ADOPTED REGULATIONS, C01 falISSIONER
BRASS SECONDED THE MOTION,
Discussion on this itom, continued, and (ommissioner Mullan requested
that, policy be revised to say "sidewalk within road right-of-way,"
and,that the matter of maintenance by developer be made more clear
regarding the sidewalk crossing the developer's property. A vote:
was then called for and Commissioners Edwards, Brass, and 7hreinen
voted aye, Commissioners Mullan, Dvorak, and Chesebrough voted nay,
Chairman Rice voted aye, and.the motion passed.
7 COMMISSION PRESENTATION:
Community Education's Quarterly meting, will be on December 10 at the
Wayzata Administration Building announced Commissioner Threinon, The
program will focus on Latch Key Child Care being offe"A at Widsten,
Oakwood or Greonwood, She also mentioned that she bad been impressed
with: the: annual fall MRFA conference. Other commissioners who attended..
parts of the conference were Chairman Rice and: Commissioner Chesebrough,
Chairman Rice stated that he was interested in. having an updated telephone
survey done in 1981 which would. get the impressions of citizens' leisure
time needs.. He z`uggested doing this in the fall to get feedback on; the
new play -fields.
8. STAFF COMMMICATIONS
Director Blank asked if commissioners were receiving their Park and
Recreation magazines, and Commissioner Dvorak said that he was not
getting his, copies.
The commissioners and Director Blank then discussed a memo that, PRAC
had received earlier in 1980 from Frank Boyles regarding citizen input
in planning and designing new parks. It was decided that staff should,
outline a new proposal. far, citizen involvement and present it to BRAC
for their review.
The next PRAC meeting gill be held on January 8 instead of January 1,
and will begin at 5;30 p.m, due 'to the numerous agenda items that will
have to be discussed and the possibility of holding a "hearing" on the.
Bass_ Lake access issue.
a.: ADJOURNMENT
Commissioner Brass motioned for adjournment at 9,40 p.m., and Commissioner
Mullan seconded this motion.
Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Commission
December 4, 1980
Commissioners Present .lames Rice, Betty Thr'inen= Steve Chesebrougix, Alan Brass,,
Barbara Edwards, John Air, Ilan, and. Frank Dvorak
StaffPresent; Eric Blank and Nancy, Helgeson
Others Present; Ron Anderton, Curt Swanson., Ronald Davidson, and
Pete Thorsen from the Bass Lake Improvement Association
1, CALL. TQ OR1'*R
Commissioner Threinen called the meeting to order at 7:40 p.m, in the Plymouth
City Center Council Chambers (Chairman 'Rice had not yet arrived,
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The minutes of the November meeting, were approved as read by a motion from
Cissioner Or ---ISS. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Chesebrough and
carried with a vote of six ayes.
3.
1 VISITOR PRESENTATIONS
A) No Athletic Association representatives were present.
B) Others in attendance came interested in the Bass Lake access issue.
C) Jane Sletten and; Rick Busch. gave written reports to the. Commissioners
but were 'Pot present at this month's meeting.
4 REPORT ON PAST' COUNCIL. ACTIONS
Commissioner 'Ihreinen pointed that a new mayor (David Davenport) and a
new council member Pim rN,reinen)l had been, sworn in at the December
1 City Council. meeting. Director Blank had nothing; furrier to report
n past council actions.;
5,: UNFINISHEb BUSINESS
A) Bass Lake Access: Report ftom FRAC Subcommittee - Report from Staff on
Status of Timbershores Access Potential - Commissioner Brass preseztted his
committee's report to PKAC and Director Blank which pointed out five major
concerns 1) the City spiould develop a policy regarding the availability
of lake shore and lake access to Plymouth residents,, 2) PRE\C should adopt
land, acquisition guidelines within the next master plan, 3) there should
be some wty to control boat and motor size,, as well as controlling launch.
and park areas; and,resident parking ,-t ckors 'need to be examined as practiced
in other communities, 4) certain -lakes should be identified for use by
onl7 sailboats and canoes, and S) joint policy guidelines- need to be est,,, ished
with the DNR, Hennepin -County, and the cities of Wayzata, Orono, and
Medicine take.
Director Blan; :yen gave his report which stated that the DNR has formally
accepted Boyer Palmer's property. Our owe city crews, will be surveying
Bass Lake and Timbe~shores Park to see if access is, possible from this
location, and a report on this survey will: be presented at the: January
PRAC meeting. Pete Thomsenas*if the City had sl atec! a position; on
aeration and maintenance of $ass Lake, and Dilrector Blank said that this
question would also be adds ssed in his -report next month..
B) PI,!Xf__ield lindate Oakwood' and Plymouth Jr. High shelter buildings should:
6e fin s a y-6ecewber 2S and LaCowpte and Fernbrook buildings completed
by January 1, Fernbrook and Ridgemount playfields have been graded, and
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bd installation is scheduled. for next spring.. The purchase of 33 acres
from Gari Lee for the Zachary playfield has been comp7'eted also.
Director Blank i; meeting, with representatives from Pilgrim United Methodist
Church on Tuesday, December 9, regarding swapping 54,000 square feet; of
land for the; Zachary pl.ayfield. .
The hockey rinks are in: the process of'being flooded, and they will be
ready for use before the buildings are finished.,
C) Prudential Development. -- Trail - Director Blank shared a report and `maps
with the Commissioners regarding,the Prudential Development and stated
J
that two trails., are called for in the Comprehensive Park Plan, He also
discussed several areas in this development that might be suitable for
small neighborhood parks. Chairman Rice arrived. at this moment and stated
his concern. regarding developing, small parks, Discussion continued on
the development of trails in this area, and
COMIMISSIONER BRASS; MOTIONED THAT FRAC: SHOULD ADOPT DIRECTOR BLANK'S
RECOMMENDATION IN; ITEM 1 OF HIS STAFF REPORT NHIGI INCLUDES A TRAIL
FROM XENIUM;VANE.TO THE TRAIL UNDERPASS ATI -494. CO*IISSIONER
WILL.4N SECONDED THE:, MOTION WHICH SUBSEQUENTLY CARRIED WITH SIX
COMMISSIONERS. VOTING AXE:
There followed further discussion on the location of three neighbor-
hood. parks in this area. PRAC asked staff to report back to them on
the viability of three sites and what development would cost the
city. Items to consider in determxng if these sites are acceptable
included: 1) population served, 2) resident's access to the sites,
3) conversation with Church representatives, and 4) cost of purchasing
land from PTudeAtial..
D) Comprehensive Park Plan w Director Blank had no new information on this
item.
Ej Carlson Center-- There was no additional information.to report on the
Carlson Center at this time,
F) Discuss Cu nission Training Workshoj 4 Director Blank announced that a
gaining session for commissioners would be held at the MRPA headquarters
on January 13 which would include items such as agenda brainstorming and
topics for discussion. Director Blank, and Chairman. Rice have been dis-
cussing, holding a workshop for commissioners regarding "recreation, in
the 801s." There would be two components to this workshop, fixst, the
educational component dealing with the future of leisure activities in
society;. and second, a presentation by our park consultant dealing with,
the update of the park plan: Chairman Rice and Director Blank will
put together a memo rega;,ding dates and a location.
6. NEW BUSINESS
A) New Plats -. There are no new plats to discuss-
B) Downtown Pl mouth Sidewalk Plan , The first commercial development for
downtown Plymouth.has been approved; however, it does not include any
sidewalks: We now need a comprehensive sidewalk plan for immediate
implementation. Director Blank shared a. map of proposed sidewalk system
with the Commissioners as well as: presenting a staff memo explaining the
system,
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COMMISSIONER THRUNEN MOTIONED THAT THE CITY` OF PLY1 O, ADOPT
THE SIDEWALK NETWORK OF STAFF'S DECEMBER. 1 MEMO, COINCIDING WITH
STATED CONSIDERATIONS, GOALS, AREAS OF INTEREST AND TRAIL SYSTEM
PLAN., THESE.SIDEWALKS'WILL BE CONSTRUCTED BY THE DEVELOPER IN
ACCORDINANCE WITH CITY ADOPTED REGULATIM. COMMISSIONER
BRASS SECONDED THE MOTION,
Discussion on this item continued, and; Commissioner lfullan requested
that policy be revised: to. say "sidewalk within road right-of-way,"
and that the matter of maintenance by -develop, ., be made more clear
regarding the sidewalk crossing the developer's, property. A vote
was then called. for and Commissioners Edwards, Brass, and, 'lhreinen
voted ave, Commissioners Mullan., Dvorak, and Chesebrough voted nay.
thai:rman. Rice voted aye, and. the motion passed,
7. COMMISSION PRESENTATION
Community'Education.'s. Quarterly meeting will be on December 10 at the
Wayzata Administration Building' announced. Commissioner 11ireinen. The
program will focus on Latch Key Child Care being offered at Wids.ten,
Oakwood or Greenwood.. She also mentioned that she had,been impressed
with the annual fall ARPA conference. Other commissione-1;s who attended
parts; of the conference were Chairman Rice and Commissioner Chesebrough;
Chairman Rice stated that he was interested in having an updated telephone
survey done. in 1981 which would get, the impressions of citizens' leisure
on thedein : this in the fail, to et feedbacktimeneeds:., He suggestedg g_
new playfiel,ds.
8. STAFF COMMUNICATIONS
Director Blank asked if commissioners were -receiving their Park and
Recreation magazines, and. Commissioner Dvorak said: that he was not
betting his copies
he commissioners and Director Blank then discussed a memo that PRAG
htd received earlier in 1980 from Frank Boyles regarding citizen input
iu planning and designing, new Parks It was decided that staff should
outline a new proposal for citizen involvement and present it to PRAC
for 'thein review.
The next. PRAC meeting will be,held.on January 8 instead of January 1,
and will begin at 5:30 p,m, due to the numerous agenda items that will
have to be discussed and the possibility of holding a tQhearing" on: the
Bass Lake access issue.
9. ADJOURNMENT
Commissioner Brass, motioned.for adjournment at 9«40 p.m., and Commissioner
Mullan seconded this motion,