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Minutes, of the Park and RecreatJion Advisory Commission :Fleeting
July 13, 1984
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Present. Chair Edwards, Commissivner,s Beach, Anderson, Freels, Rosen,; Hanson,
staff Blank, Anderson, and Sankey
h.* Absent. Commissioner LaTour
1. CALL TO ORDER
Chair :Edwards called, the meeting to order at 7:34 p.m. in the Council
Chambers,;
L APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A: motion was made by Commissioner Rosen and seconded by Commissioner
Freels to approve the minutes of the June meeting as presented. T1w
mot,)n carried with all ayes.
3. VISL°AOR PKESENTATIONS
a. Athletic Associations, None Were present at this meeting.
b;.WJ.1, Cindy A,cderson spore on the status of some of the summer
programs, Registration is going well rind is higher in most areas. We
have arranged for the €irvices of a program integration specialist to
help integrate particinAt%ts with disabilities into the classes.. The:
integration specialist has yin extensive backgrounds in this type of
programming. We have several participants taking advantage of this
servict this year.
The new full day day camp is going very well.. We had anticipated that
working parents would use. the camp as an alternat*ve for day care, but
the prevailing registration. seems to be from people just using the
camp as a recreational opportunity. The neer art programresponse was
so high that we expanded into more sessions.
The puppet wagon and playground program participa,on is up. The
swimming clauses are going well. We have had approximately 925
participants so far, and are expecting about 340 more in the fourth
session. Our lifeguards will he participating in a lifeguard
competition. We are starting to gear uta for fall.
c Others. Henry Willegalle (1525 Junea,i Lane) spoke on his propo*a1
that the northeast Say ,of P*rkers Lake be dredged out. He had writteni
a letter to the mayor 4n this subject, and the mayor suggested that he
present his proposal to the Park Commission. Mr. Willegalle feels
that the way the bay is right now Is aesthetically ugly, it hampers
use of the lake by the people who live on it, and 3.t certainly
detracts from the value of his property. He feels that with the
expon&ioci project for County Road: 6, now Would be the opportune time
to complete a dredging project because the area will be torn up
any- ay. Ck—iir Edwards wondered if the lake's: outlet could be adjusted
to raise the level o2 the water at lest; expense to the city. D recto-
Blank stated that- >>e wasn't sure if this could be done because the
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outlet is tied i, Cho- water flow management system for the whole
area. Comissi,oner -.1osen asked if the neighbors would be: willing to
contribute to the cost of the proJect.. Mr. Willegalle indicated that
that would be possible, but he didn't reel they should bear the, entire
cost, since the city caused the problem, in ..he first place when the
outlet was installed, to prevent flooding several years ago. He feels
the project would benefit the entire city because it would create more
water 'surface for, water skiving, fishing, and for park, beautification.
Chair Edwards `recowse:tded that the proposal go back to staff for study
and coss+Vnication vrith the: city engineer and planning departments.
Mr4 Willegale will be kept informed.
4. REPORT ON PAST COUNCIL ACTION
a. ,Sy an Lake Plat.. Director Blank explained how the agreement was
reached on the Swan Lake Plat and approved by the Cocncil.
b. Cowpunity Cen}" The, schematic plans were approved by the Council.
c. West Medicine Lake Drive Trail. The project will probably go out o;
bi,J in September.
I S. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
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a. r rehensive Park & 'Trail Plan - Public Nearing. Director Blank
xplained that the city is, working on updating all comprehensive
p'ans, and that PRBC has been working on updating the Masker Park and
Trail Plan adopted in 1981. Seven parcels have been identifiedas
desirable for park land. This designation does not affect the zoning
or guiding on: the property, When the ;land is developed in the icature,
the city would acquire it through purchase or park dedication. The
outlines of the proposed park land are just approximate at this time.
The final boundaries Would be determiaed.at the time of development.
Parcel 1-A Northeast of County 'Road 9 and Fernbrook. Owned by Harold
Hytjan Bordered by 494 on east and existing parkland on west,
surrounding the north side ops a pond area. Designated as a
neighborhood. park with a main intent of preservit-, ^rees. These were
no citizen comments on this parcel.
Parcel " Southern. side of the poi d. Owned by Harold Hytjan. Tree
preservation important; There were no citizen, comments on this
parcel.
Parcel 1-C Best of 1-A and 1-B and south - the existing parkland.
Owned by Robert Sevy. Liv Horneland (8804 Knollwood Dr.,, Eden
Prairie) with Coldwall Banker, spoke for Mr. Sevy. Mr. Sevy has a.
purchase agreement in place with r developer at the present time. He
is concerned with the size and shape of the proposed park, since it
takes up a conaiderable portion of his land. Since the developer is
purchasing land from two different owners for this development, Mr.
Sevy is: concerned that if the agreement falls through, the large
parkland proposal on his property would adversely affect the value of
his property in the future. The developer is aware of park dedication
requiresents,
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Parcel 2 Located north of Plymouth Creek Park. Preservati.a of the
hillside is a prime. consideration;. Owned by the. Thornton's. Attorney
Wade Anderson representedthe Thornton's., They have a purchase
agreement with a developer, and hope to have the final plat approval
and closing in September. Director Blank, 'stated that he has been in
contact with the developer, and the developer has agreed to the park
dedication a 4how. However, this parcel still needs to be approved
in the Com,. A#,vx sive Plan in case: this purchase agreemnt falls
through.
Parcel 3A Bast of County Road 101 and north of County Road 24. Owned
by RichgLeld Bank. & Trust. Parcel is east of previously designated
parkland. Would. add to the flexi,bil,ity of this neighborhood park.
Preservation of trees and marshland would be important. There were no
citizen comments on this parcel,
fircel 3B West of Parcel 34.. Owned by Clinton Stromseth.
Preservation of trees and marshland also important. There were no
citizen comer?ts on this parcel.
Parcel 4 Southeast of Old; County Rd 9 and Dunkirk Lane, by Plymouth
Creek ';leaaentary School. Owned by Antia Jordan.. Would he designated
as a Playf eld. Bill Pritchard with Orrin Thompson Homes spoke:
against this park site.. Orrin Thompson has a purchase agreement on
this land. The site contains 118 acres, and 50 acres would go toward
the park. When they first approached the city about the Comprehensive
Park Plan, an area to the vest of this parcel was designated as park.
The land on which they have a purchase agreement is zoned as semi-
public, They felt the parkland was workable as originally shown;
They are not opposed to having a neighborhood park in this area, but
are opposed; to the size and type of park; the city is proposirj ,, a.
playfield He, feels it would. have -a negative impact on the
neighborhood and or 1r:using value. He woull like to work with the
Planning Commission and Council to re -guide this land to LA -2 and.
would prefer to dedicate about $217,000 in lieu of land.. He would
like the park to remain on the west. side. of the development. Mr.
Pritchard stated that he is going to the Planning Commission mecting
on. August 9
Parcel 5 Southeast_ of County Road 44 and Juneau. Lane;. Owr,,d by
Sanford Williams. The Comprehensive Plan had showed a playiie?d, by
Pomerleau Lake, however there is a house there now. An alternative
wan sought, Mr. Williams has sold the eastern 200 feet to Hennepin
Parks for a trail corridor, which would bisect our park lands and
provide good public accesai. The 25 acres in this parcel would be good
for a. p'layfield. No sewer is available, and the land=:or'. old probably
not be developed in, the foreseeable future. Sanford Williams (145.11
County Road '47) stated that there is no wetlanu or treei3 to preserv`r<
on this .piece of property; it is farmland.. He objects to the park
because it would not leave him with enough land to develop.
parcel 6 South or thud Lake, connecting to current park land around
the lake. Tree preservation and development of neighborhood park key
goals. Owned by Greg Begin.: Mr. Begin (5525 Xenium Lane) stated that
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lie vas against the park because the city alri&dy has him tied up in
court, and now, they are trying to take his home. His homeis on the
property. Jerome. Begin (5035 Vicksburg Lane) also owns, part of th,'s
property. He stated that there is no way the city can take this land
unless they pay him $10 milliun.
Parcel 7 West of Zachary Playfield and north of County Road 9. Owned
by the Forster's. It would create a buffer zone between housing and.
the playfield. Tom Forster (11420 County Road 9) stated that he was
unhappy with the condemnation of his land for the water treatment
plant, and he probably won't get fair value ior this land. He
disagresas with the size, not the idea of the buffer zone.
Commissioner Freels asked about the idea of a trade for some land
owned by the city south of County road 9. Mr. Forster felt that the
value of that land was not as great. He doesn't feet that, abcffer is
really very necessary because houses do abutt the patk in other
portions of the park. He has had. some layouts done by potential
developers, but none of them contain.a buffer zone.
The commissioners discussed what their next step should be.
Commissioner Rosen, requested that Director Blank set up a working
meeting, perhaps with Planning Department staff or the City attorney,
to better clarify their role. They would like to meet, at 5:30,
sometime soon. Director Blank stated that u September or October
Joint meeting with the Planning Commission had been discussed. Chair
Edwards said the Commission should hold back action at the present
time so that the commissioners can think over the citizens' objections
and come back to the next meeting with some, ideas.
b. Plymouth Creek Parking Lot_ Expansion T?udate,. The parking lot is
nearly done.. It still. needs &, one inch wear layer, lights, and
landscaping.
c. CTP 1990-94. Director Blank pointed out that we are $210,000 short
for 1990 in account 218 (Community Parks, Playfields & Trails) because
we spent $500,000 on land this year. Account 219 (Neighborhood Parks)
is. OK in all the years. The commissioners discussed what should be
cut for 1990. Commissionor Hanson moved to approve the CIP with, the
transfer of the Plymouth Creek Tennis Courts to 1991 and Parkers TAke
Playfield to 1992- Commissioner Anderson seconded the motion.
Commissioner Beach felt that the Parkers Lake Playfield would serve
more Plymouth residents than, the Bass Lake. Playfield. She, ammended
the motion to transfer Bass Lake Playfield to 1991 and Parkers Lake
Playfield to 1990. Ammendment was seconded by Commissioner, Rosen.
Director Blank pointed out that he felt the need was greater for Bass
Lake Playfield because the people in the, Osseo School District have no
playfield at all to use in the city. The ammendment was defeated 5
nays. to I aye.. The original motion was passed 5 ayes to I nay.
d. Community Center Ugjate- Director Blank s'harcd the newest drawings
with with Commission and pointed out. changes. For budget purposes,
the metal roof has been changed to shingles, and the wooden beams in
the pool and gym have been changed to steel. The cupola has been
deleted. These features may be bid as add alternates* Director Blank
to
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explained. how McGoff is planning to grade the site in November and;
December and then let the land sit until February when the weather is
more favorable All of the materials would be on the site by this
time, and the construction could resume. City Manager Willisis
planning to meet with home owners associations and local elected
officials to present. the project and answer questions.
NEW BUSINESS
a. ty Plat, None
b. &gust Meeting.. Would be called by the chair if needed.
7 COMMISSION PRESENTATION
None
8., STAFF COMMUNICATION
Director Blank presented a petition: from citizens living near Gleanloch
Park. They would like the city to purchase some land to expand the park.
There is a permanent easement on it already. Commission will discuss this
at the next meeting.
9. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 10:55 p.m.