HomeMy WebLinkAboutPark and Recreation Advisory Commission Minutes 05-11-1989Minutes of the Park and Recreation. Advisory Commission Meeting
May U, 1989
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Present: Chair Edwards, Commissioners Andersson, Freels, LaTour, Beach, Rosen
and, Hanson; staff Blank, Busch, Patterson and Pederson; Planning
Commissioner Zylla, Counciimember Sisk
1. CkLL,TO ORDER
Chair Edwards called! the May meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. in the Council
Chambers.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES'
A motion was made by Cowmissioner Rosen ,and seconded by Commissioner Beach
to approve the minutes of the April meeting with one correction noted by
Commissioner Freels on the change of date from May 17 to May 24 for the
park tour. The motion carried with all ayes.
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3. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS
a. Athletic Associations. Nonewerepresent at this meeting.
b. Staff. Rick Busch discussed the adult men's softball leagues that are
underway at this time, and women's, co-rec and church, leagues
scheduled to begin the week of May 15. He stated that youth baseball
and softball association leagues have begun their practices and games,
as well as youth soccer. He indicated that summer part-time hiring
has begun, as well as the, ordering of equipment, supplies and t--
shir.ts.. Park and recreation sponsored golf and tennis lessons begin
the week of M.ry 15, and the rest of the summer recreation programs
will all get underway the week of June 12. Zachary Playfield will be
very busy this summer with softball tournaments scheduled at least two
weekends every month.
c. Qjhers. None were present at this meeting.
4 REPORT ON PAST COUNCIL ACTION
a. The City Council approved a contract with; the community center
architect and a contract with a construction manager.
b.
5. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
a. Mooney Lake pat. This item is, on the agenda for the City Council
meeting of May 15. The Planning Commission is recomnending that Lot
20 of the proposed Lundgren Bros-. pkat be, preserved for open space.
b. Comprehensive flan uQdate. Director Blank pointed out that the
comprehensive plan was displayed on the wall in the chambers, and he
briefly reviewed it for PRAC. Planning Commissioner Zylla also made a,
few short statements about the hearings they have held with regard' to
the comprehensive plan's proposed reguiding.
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c. West Medicine Lake Drive trail update. Director Blank stated that he
had talked with Strgar-Roscoe and they are nearly finished with their
preliminary design. It is expected to be submitted to City staff for
review on May 19
d. Community centcr uRdate. A public hearing on the projected operating
costs and fees/revenues is set for Tuesday, May 16. The architect and
City staff have met several, times in the last few days to draw and re-
draw the plans. The proposed schematic plan may be presented to the
Council: on June 5.
e. 1(ilmer Rlalground u2date. Pour, companies Will be, submitting bids for
the new playground equipment on Friday, May 12. Staff has gone to the
site and looked over the issues of the ditch, streets and culverts to
determine what can be dine to: prevent flooding of the park. The
street dept. may be able to help with these items later this year.
f. Plymouth Creek _aarkina lot expansion. Contractor was scheduled to
begin work on the parking lot Monday, May 8, but he was rained out,
and according to Director Blank, still has not shown up there.
g. Park tour - May 24. The bus will leave the City Center at 5:15 p.m..
Ail commissioners indicated they would attend'.
6., NEWS BUSINESS
a. Slan Lake plat. Director Blank. stated that this proposed plat does
not provide adequate park access for this neighborhood, and that staff
Is in, disagreement with the developer on the size of the park and the
issue of the trail on the west side of Swan Lake. It is staff's;
recommendation that, the developer be directed to redesign the park
with specific instructions to allow for more public land to front on a
street and work towardeliminating the overcrowding, of houses and the
trail going around the lake. As a second alternative, staff suggests
that lots 1, 9 and 10 be included in the park property and that the
trail corridor on the west side of the lake be at least 1.00' wide and.
all of i,t above the high water mark. The developer should also be
required to build the Quinwood Lane culdesac on property other than
that which has been dedicated for park. Director Blank's reasons for
wanting the trail corridor 100 feet wide is to help eliminate some of
the problems that could be encountered by having trail too close to
private back yards.
Tom Loucks, project designer for this proposed plat, then addressed
the Park Commission with the following remarks. He stated that the
proposed plat is 34 acres in size approximately, and that they have
dedicated a, total of 3.43 acres with park proposed on the north end of
the plat and on the southeast corner of the lake. This meets the
City's 105 park dedication ordinance. He stated, that his proposal
also ,provides 2.10 Beet of park frontage on public streets, whish,
although it does not meet the. 50% desired ratio, is much greater than
the 99 feet and 50 feet provided by the developments on, the east and
north sides of the park, and he feels that it would, be unfair to
impose this policy on this development if it was not required of the
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other developers. He also argued that the 100 foot wide trail
corridor requirement would take too much land away from Lots 1 through
10, and they would become undesirable for development, He also stated
that it was not, the responsibility of this developer to construct the
Quinwood culdesac, since, it does not benefit the Swan Lake West plat.
It should have been built by the townhouse development to the north,.
In reference to why the plat wasn't designed to extend Quinwood south
and then west to meet up with 44th Avenue, Mr. Loucks responded, that
the City's engineering department said it wasn't necessary to do that.
Dave Putnam, the project engineer, confirmed the statement about the
road connection not being necessary an further indicated that they
will not construct the culdesac either, since it does not benefit
their development.
Todd. Rapp, the developer's attorney, expressed his opinion that; the
City is suggesting departure from their own policy by wanting to
exceed the 10% park dedication. He stated that, if the City desires: to
acquire land from the developer, they will have to pay based on the
developed price rather than raw land cost. He indicated that this
opinion was based on a recent decision by the Supreme Court that. a
developer can ask for compensation based on developed cost, which
I_ would substantially increase the City's expenses,
Chair Edwards commented that her main concern with the Swan Lake West
plat is the 50 foot corridor for trail not being wide enough. She
alsca feels it could. lead to problems with park users trespassing onto
the back yards of private residences as well as noise coming from loud
radios being used by walkers and bikers on the trail.
Craig Scherber, the developer, commented that the front yard setbacks
required of this plat are only 35 feet, and that that puts people in
closer proximity to the homes than the trail does.
Commissioner Freels expressedhis concern with the limited access; to
the park from. the north And wondered where people would park their
cars. Commissioner Anderson was also concerned about this.
Commissioner Beach stated, that it was likely more users would come
down to the park from the north end., because of the townhouse
development thews, and she was concernedabout the Quinwood, culdesac
interfering with the privacy of the lot immediately west of the
Quinwood extension.
Commissioner Hanson commented that she was abstaining from any
discussion on this item, because the project engineer is one of her
clients.
Commissioner LaTour was unclear as to why the, City desired a 100 foot
trail corridor rather than the 50 foot easement proposed by the
developer. Stuff explained that 100 feet will allow for more privacy
between the homeorner's flack yards and the trail itself. It has been
the City's experience in the past that when back yard lot lines extend
right up to the edge of a grail, problems can occur with private
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residents encroaching on park property and that park noise may bother
some home owners.
A MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER ;BEACH RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY
COUNCIL DENY THE PLAN AS PROPOSED AND ASK FOR RE -DESIGN. THE MOTION
FAILED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
Mr. Loucks commented that the message .he was getting from the
Commission: was to: deny the plat and ask for re -design. He suggested
that if trails: cause so many problems, perhaps they should be;
eliminated altogether, which would allow him to have larger lots in
his plat. He also indicated he Was not pleased with PRAC;recommending
denial of the plat without giving him a reason.
Chair Edwards assured Mr. Loucks that the Commission would state their
reasons for recommending denial..
A MOTION WAS MADE .BY COMMISSIONER BEACH RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY
COUNCIL SEND THE PROPOSED PLAT 'BACK FOR REDESIGN BECAUSE PRAC FEELS
THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE PARK AND BECAUSE THE TRAIL
CORRIDOR OF 50 FEET IS NOT SUFFICIENT. THE MOTION WAS SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON,
Commissioner Freels asked if there was suppostd. to be trail proposed
al,l the way around the lake? Director Blank stated that park was
supposed to go all the way around the lake, not just trail..
Mr. Putnam responded that the City can acquire as much property as
they want and can make the trail as wide as they want, if they're,
willing to spend the money,
Commissioner Rosen stated, he was not `comfortable with asking the
developer to replat. He feels that enough park has been proposed and
that what's necessary now is some type of. trail. He would also like
to see more public access and open views into the park:.
Chair Edwards suggested that the City should cdneider the purchase; of
Lot 1, or 10 in order to gain more access into the park
THE MOTION FAILED ON A 2-4 VOTE, WITH COMMISSIONERS =7REFLS, EDWARDS,
ROSEN AND LATOUR VOTING NAY,
A MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROSEN AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER.
LATOUR TO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITYCOUNCILACQUIRE MORE LAND ON. THE
NORTH SI.DE OF THE PARK WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE: VEHICULAR ACCESS AND
TO CONSIDE( THE DEVELOPMENT OF TRAIL CORRIDOR AROUND THE LAKE. THE
MOTION CARRIED WITH ALL AYES.
GIP 1990-94. Because of the late hour, Director Blank only briefly
reviewed the CIP. Commissioner Rosen wondered if the neighborhood
park proposed. in 1994 for County Roads 24 and 101 had always been
planned,. Director Blank indicated that it had been a part of the
comprehensive plan all along.
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Planning, Commissioner Zylla asked if a pl.ayfield is beingplanned for
south of Highway 55 and Director Blank stated that one is proposed for
north of Highway 55. He stated, that the; Greenwood Elementary School
has served as the playfield south of Highway 55,
Councilmember Sisk suggested that when staff plans; for future
playfields, they should meet with the various athletic associations
and find out exactly what their needs are in terms of fields for games
and pract des. He feels that perhaps more practice fields are needed
than.game fields,
Commis.aioner, Beach suggested that FRAC needs to hold a workshop on the
future planning of City parks and playfields.
T. COMMISSION PRESENTATION
Chair Edwards indicated that she would not be at the June 8 FRAC mseting.
Commissioner LaTour will act as Chair.
8. STAFF COMMUNICATION
None
9. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at: 10:10 p.m,
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