HomeMy WebLinkAboutPark and Recreation Advisory Commission Minutes 11-12-1987Minutes of the Park and Recreation Advisory Commission. Meeting
November 12, 1987
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Present: Chair Edwards, Commissioners Reed, Anderson, and LaTbur staff Blank
and Pederson
Absent; Commissioners Beech and Rosen
I. CALL TO CRVER
Chair Edwards called the November meeting to order at 700 p.m. in the
Council Conference Room.
2. APPR{7vAL OF Minim
A motion was made by Commissioner Reed and seconded by Commissioner
Anderson to approve the minutes of the October meeting as presented. The
mction.carried with all ayes.
3. VISITOR PRE MUATICNs
a. Athletic Amociationg. Representatives of the Plymouth -Wayzata Soccer
Club were present. Their presentation is covered under Item 6.c.
b. 2., Mary Patterson stated that beach attendance figures from this
past summer were 11,378 aL Parkers Lake, 10,694 at East Medicine Lake
and 6,347 at West Medicine Lake. Attendance has been steadilyincreasingesinee1985ralthoughattendanceatMedicine. Lake was down
in 1987. She attributes this to an early algae bloom which .resulted
in several reports of swimmrs itch at these beaches. Mary stated
that she, Rick Busch and Mary Tilley spent a planning day in October
discueaesing new program policies and; procedures and preparing a
planning calender. She announced that three programs are coming ;gypthiswintersponsoredbytheMetropolitanRegionalArtsComoil; a
presentation. of "Family" by the Illusion Theatre, a "Hometown blidayConcert" by the St.. Pahl Chamber Orchestra, and a Wbrld Tree Puppet
Theatre performance. These programer will be held at Wayzata Senior
High School. We're also sponsoring a joint program with the Plymouth.
Historical Society; "An Old Fashioned Christmas" will be held at
Plymouth Creek Park on Sunday, December 13, from 2-5 p.m. Horse drawn
sleigh rides will be given as part of the afternoon's activities.
c. Q =. Hen Braman, 4050 Glacier Lane, was present to suggest a name
for Amhurst park. He would like to recommend that the park be named
Hugo G. Bromen Park" after his father, who originally owned the land
the park sits on.
4. REFI' ON PAST C OLINCIL ACTION
a. Reiect Bids on Pa rkers LAke Pav l ; gn_ Council rejected the bids on
Parkers Lake Pavilion as recommended by staff and PRAC.
b. Trail and Sidoolk Standacis. Council accepted the standards for
trails and sidewalks as reamoended by staff and PRAC.
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November 12, 1987
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5. UVWSHW BUSINESS.
a. Lime Perk Plsv Director Blank stated that the Lions: Park
play equipment, ae remanded by staff, will include all the pierces
that residents wanted, as well as the pre-school piece having a flat
deck rather than,a rarsurface. The pieces selectedinclude;
one BigToy PS-12AB
one 9i9Toy PR -37
one Miracle Cyclone Slide.132-3
one backhoe digger
am springed animal.
A MOTION WAS MAIC BY CCbMSSICNER IATCUR AND SECCNDM BY CCWJSSICNM
RM) Ta ACCEPT DIRE C7M BLAWk S RECCMMNMTICN OF TIS LICNS PARK PLAY
EQUIRIM. The motion carried with all ayes.
b. Parkers Lake Pavilion. (The building architect, Del Erickson failed
to appear at this meeting.) Director Blank reviewed the staff report
he: sent to PRAC and discussed the following issues
1) What are the needs of the camunity at this time with regard to
park and frecreation facilities?
2) What its the the, quality of the pavilion that the cam unity
expects, deserves and the Commission feels is necessary?
3) What is the Coitmission willing to pay for this quality and
quantity and what effect will this project have on other projects
that are currently included in the five year CIP?'
Director Blank feels it is the City`s need at this time to-.
first, acquire undeveloped park lana as necessary
second, develop neighborhood park sites on an on --going basis to
keep up with current development trends, and
third, at this time, he believes it is important to develop
indoor recreation space for recreational programa.
He believes that attendance at Parkers Lake Perk could reach anywhere
frau 40,000 to 50,000 by 1989. Based ,on those figures, tie feels that
the pavilion should be of the beat quality possible. Chair Edwards
indicated her concern about the top floor as proposed now not having
much usable spaoe. Director Blank stated that the top floor allows
for direct aocees from the trail and road, contains the lifeguard
room, mechanical/electrical room, and storage space. All of these
areas are important to the building's function.
Director Blank then listed item that Could be eliminated from the
pavilion in order to reduce costa. The Commission reviewed theee
items and made changes as follower;
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FRAC Minuted
Nev enber. 12F 1987
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1) P 3 r 500 from Viral cac itione
2) $19?000 from,ste work
3) $ 61000 from concrete
4) $14,500 from masonry
5) $ 4,000 from carpentry
6) $ 4,000 from moisture protection/insulation
7) $13 r OOO from doors and wa ndm'
8) $ 3,500 from finishes
9) $ 91000 from specialties
la) $14,200 from electrical
11) $ 1,800 from mechanical
i
Director Blank indicated that building a picnic strolter will not add
or subtract from 'the total -coat of the pavilion, but one.must be built
in order to meet the terms of the grant we received.
A :MM N WAS MME BY COWUSSICNE R LAMJ.R AND SECIMM BY COHMSSICNM
RSSDDMRTHAT COLI CIL ACCEPT 11M CHMM PROPOSED TO REDUCE
THE COST CE THE pARKERS TAKE PAVILION WITH THE EXCEPTIM OF ITEM 9A
AND 15D AS STATED IN UM FRICZCW S N 7tM TO DIREC;'ICR BLANK.
PRAC Fr.FMM 'RDS THAT THE MMU CRIGINAL qJA LITY OF THE
PAVILICN SHMW BE MA NTAIRM. The motion carried with all ayes.
It was the general conaNuto of those members present that a special
meeting should be held within the next two weeks to go over these
proposed changes with those members that were not present at this
meeting.
c. Ne 9bjZ&l gW Parte _,,t%date. Director Blank stated that the
neighborhood park projects are, completed, and tkAt the hill at the
34th Avenue: entrance to Heritage park has been lovk-red as requested by
the residents.
d. H2Trai Projects QXbte, Director Blank stated that the trails are
corpleted att.
Highway 101 from 19th to 26th Avenue
Fiernbrook Lane from 46th Avenue to County Road 6
Zachary Lane from 48th Avenue south to Zachary Elementary School.
County Road 9 from Zachary Lane to County Road. 61.
e. m,_'m a of 1989 Construction Projects. Director Blank indicated that
it is necessary to formally reoommend to Council that_ we proceed with
hiring a c'+onsultant to design the St. Mary's neighborhood park in
order to begin the process in time to have it constructed during the
summer of 1988. We also need to begin workon the Plymouth Creek
s000er field,
A MOTICN WAS MADE' BY COMMISSIMM AST AND By
CCP'MISSICN R. REED TD APRM DIRE.MR BLANK'S REM MR"TICN Ta HIRE A
COMXMANT TO BFMN DESIGNING THE Sr. MAWS NEIGfBCRHOM PARK, AND TO
HAVE STAFF 024nETE A FEASIBILITY' SRW OF THE PLYMXMi CREEK SOCCER
FIELD. The motion carried with all ayes.
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6. NQS BUTS
a. Review Park Lb= and cost Study Ib Mt. Director Blank informed the
Canmi:ssion that he had prepared a par usagekandcoststudyreportfor
the. City Manager as part of the City ,Manager's 1988 Goals and
Objectives. This report was then forwarded to the City Council and
after their review, it was requested that it be forwarded to PRAC for
their review. Director Blank indicated that the City Council wants
PRAC to exaaminepossible cost saving .measures and revue enhancing
measures in early 1988. Any number of possible alternatives, such as
additional user. fees for youth athletic associations, could be
considered. Director Blank stated that Can i1 has w.ggeeted that
PRAC hold sane public .information meetings in early 1988 to introduce.
this idea to the residents.; This item will continue to be on future
agendas
b Now Plata. There were no new plats.
c. aggMt frau P1=qtb=W yz to B=ar Club, Janet Bogan, secretary of
the Plymouth -Wayzata SoccerClub was present atthe meeting to request
that Plymouth Part -c and Recreation take over running the house league
sower group, since they wish to delovrote all, their time to the
travel M teams. Ste stated that there are approximately 1,100 soccer
players, and 270 of these children are on traveling teams., She
suggests that we, coo bine, thesummer sooner program with our fall,
soccer program and run it from, early August through mid-October,
Director Blank stated: that August tends to be a big vacation month for
families with children, and it's the same time that we generally start
field renovations. Rick Busch indicated that the ,v^,ger age groups
could possibly play on the hockey rink areas. John Ferris, treasurer
of the club, was present and discuseed the financial aspect of the
program. He stated that they charge $20 per player and they provide
t -shirts and trophies, as well as paying someom to do the scheduling..
He feels that we could charge the same and provide the same things
they have been providing. Director Blank stated that another option
to consider other than Park and Recreation offering the program would'
be to suggest that the in-house parents start their own soccer
association. He indicated that he, Rick Busch, Greg Finn and,Mary
Patterson would meet with the Soccer Association to further review
this item and make some recommendations to PRAC' at their December
meeting.
7. OCMMSSICN PRESENTATION
loge.
8. STAFF COMM MICATIM
Where were; no cam. micati ns by staff
9. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting.adjourned at 10:45, p.m.
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