HomeMy WebLinkAboutPark and Recreation Advisory Commission Packet 09-14-1989Regular Meeting of the Park and Recreation Advisory Commission
September 14, 1989, 7:30 p.m.
AGENDA
1. Cull to Order
2. Approval of Minutes
3. Visitor Presentations
a. Athletic Associations
b. Staff
c. Others
4. Repor_ on Past Council Action
5. Unfinished Business
a. Comprehensive Park & Trail Plan update - .discussion
b. Plymouth Creek parking lot/soccer field update
c. West Medicine Lake Drive trail update
d. Kilmer Park playground update
e Community renter update
6. New Business
a. New plats
b. Request to dredge. Parkers Lake report
c. Joint meeting with Planning Commission date?
7. Coamission Presentation
8. Staff Communication
9. Adjournment
Next Regular PRAC Meeting October 12, 1989
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Minutes, of the Park and RecreatJion Advisory Commission :Fleeting
July 13, 1984
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Present. Chair Edwards, Commissivner,s Beach, Anderson, Freels, Rosen,; Hanson,
staff Blank, Anderson, and Sankey
h.* Absent. Commissioner LaTour
1. CALL TO ORDER
Chair :Edwards called, the meeting to order at 7:34 p.m. in the Council
Chambers,;
L APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A: motion was made by Commissioner Rosen and seconded by Commissioner
Freels to approve the minutes of the June meeting as presented. T1w
mot,)n carried with all ayes.
3. VISL°AOR PKESENTATIONS
a. Athletic Associations, None Were present at this meeting.
b;.WJ.1, Cindy A,cderson spore on the status of some of the summer
programs, Registration is going well rind is higher in most areas. We
have arranged for the €irvices of a program integration specialist to
help integrate particinAt%ts with disabilities into the classes.. The:
integration specialist has yin extensive backgrounds in this type of
programming. We have several participants taking advantage of this
servict this year.
The new full day day camp is going very well.. We had anticipated that
working parents would use. the camp as an alternat*ve for day care, but
the prevailing registration. seems to be from people just using the
camp as a recreational opportunity. The neer art programresponse was
so high that we expanded into more sessions.
The puppet wagon and playground program participa,on is up. The
swimming clauses are going well. We have had approximately 925
participants so far, and are expecting about 340 more in the fourth
session. Our lifeguards will he participating in a lifeguard
competition. We are starting to gear uta for fall.
c Others. Henry Willegalle (1525 Junea,i Lane) spoke on his propo*a1
that the northeast Say ,of P*rkers Lake be dredged out. He had writteni
a letter to the mayor 4n this subject, and the mayor suggested that he
present his proposal to the Park Commission. Mr. Willegalle feels
that the way the bay is right now Is aesthetically ugly, it hampers
use of the lake by the people who live on it, and 3.t certainly
detracts from the value of his property. He feels that with the
expon&ioci project for County Road: 6, now Would be the opportune time
to complete a dredging project because the area will be torn up
any- ay. Ck—iir Edwards wondered if the lake's: outlet could be adjusted
to raise the level o2 the water at lest; expense to the city. D recto-
Blank stated that- >>e wasn't sure if this could be done because the
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outlet is tied i, Cho- water flow management system for the whole
area. Comissi,oner -.1osen asked if the neighbors would be: willing to
contribute to the cost of the proJect.. Mr. Willegalle indicated that
that would be possible, but he didn't reel they should bear the, entire
cost, since the city caused the problem, in ..he first place when the
outlet was installed, to prevent flooding several years ago. He feels
the project would benefit the entire city because it would create more
water 'surface for, water skiving, fishing, and for park, beautification.
Chair Edwards `recowse:tded that the proposal go back to staff for study
and coss+Vnication vrith the: city engineer and planning departments.
Mr4 Willegale will be kept informed.
4. REPORT ON PAST COUNCIL ACTION
a. ,Sy an Lake Plat.. Director Blank explained how the agreement was
reached on the Swan Lake Plat and approved by the Cocncil.
b. Cowpunity Cen}" The, schematic plans were approved by the Council.
c. West Medicine Lake Drive Trail. The project will probably go out o;
bi,J in September.
I S. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
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a. r rehensive Park & 'Trail Plan - Public Nearing. Director Blank
xplained that the city is, working on updating all comprehensive
p'ans, and that PRBC has been working on updating the Masker Park and
Trail Plan adopted in 1981. Seven parcels have been identifiedas
desirable for park land. This designation does not affect the zoning
or guiding on: the property, When the ;land is developed in the icature,
the city would acquire it through purchase or park dedication. The
outlines of the proposed park land are just approximate at this time.
The final boundaries Would be determiaed.at the time of development.
Parcel 1-A Northeast of County 'Road 9 and Fernbrook. Owned by Harold
Hytjan Bordered by 494 on east and existing parkland on west,
surrounding the north side ops a pond area. Designated as a
neighborhood. park with a main intent of preservit-, ^rees. These were
no citizen comments on this parcel.
Parcel " Southern. side of the poi d. Owned by Harold Hytjan. Tree
preservation important; There were no citizen, comments on this
parcel.
Parcel 1-C Best of 1-A and 1-B and south - the existing parkland.
Owned by Robert Sevy. Liv Horneland (8804 Knollwood Dr.,, Eden
Prairie) with Coldwall Banker, spoke for Mr. Sevy. Mr. Sevy has a.
purchase agreement in place with r developer at the present time. He
is concerned with the size and shape of the proposed park, since it
takes up a conaiderable portion of his land. Since the developer is
purchasing land from two different owners for this development, Mr.
Sevy is: concerned that if the agreement falls through, the large
parkland proposal on his property would adversely affect the value of
his property in the future. The developer is aware of park dedication
requiresents,
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Parcel 2 Located north of Plymouth Creek Park. Preservati.a of the
hillside is a prime. consideration;. Owned by the. Thornton's. Attorney
Wade Anderson representedthe Thornton's., They have a purchase
agreement with a developer, and hope to have the final plat approval
and closing in September. Director Blank, 'stated that he has been in
contact with the developer, and the developer has agreed to the park
dedication a 4how. However, this parcel still needs to be approved
in the Com,. A#,vx sive Plan in case: this purchase agreemnt falls
through.
Parcel 3A Bast of County Road 101 and north of County Road 24. Owned
by RichgLeld Bank. & Trust. Parcel is east of previously designated
parkland. Would. add to the flexi,bil,ity of this neighborhood park.
Preservation of trees and marshland would be important. There were no
citizen comments on this parcel,
fircel 3B West of Parcel 34.. Owned by Clinton Stromseth.
Preservation of trees and marshland also important. There were no
citizen comer?ts on this parcel.
Parcel 4 Southeast of Old; County Rd 9 and Dunkirk Lane, by Plymouth
Creek ';leaaentary School. Owned by Antia Jordan.. Would he designated
as a Playf eld. Bill Pritchard with Orrin Thompson Homes spoke:
against this park site.. Orrin Thompson has a purchase agreement on
this land. The site contains 118 acres, and 50 acres would go toward
the park. When they first approached the city about the Comprehensive
Park Plan, an area to the vest of this parcel was designated as park.
The land on which they have a purchase agreement is zoned as semi-
public, They felt the parkland was workable as originally shown;
They are not opposed to having a neighborhood park in this area, but
are opposed; to the size and type of park; the city is proposirj ,, a.
playfield He, feels it would. have -a negative impact on the
neighborhood and or 1r:using value. He woull like to work with the
Planning Commission and Council to re -guide this land to LA -2 and.
would prefer to dedicate about $217,000 in lieu of land.. He would
like the park to remain on the west. side. of the development. Mr.
Pritchard stated that he is going to the Planning Commission mecting
on. August 9
Parcel 5 Southeast_ of County Road 44 and Juneau. Lane;. Owr,,d by
Sanford Williams. The Comprehensive Plan had showed a playiie?d, by
Pomerleau Lake, however there is a house there now. An alternative
wan sought, Mr. Williams has sold the eastern 200 feet to Hennepin
Parks for a trail corridor, which would bisect our park lands and
provide good public accesai. The 25 acres in this parcel would be good
for a. p'layfield. No sewer is available, and the land=:or'. old probably
not be developed in, the foreseeable future. Sanford Williams (145.11
County Road '47) stated that there is no wetlanu or treei3 to preserv`r<
on this .piece of property; it is farmland.. He objects to the park
because it would not leave him with enough land to develop.
parcel 6 South or thud Lake, connecting to current park land around
the lake. Tree preservation and development of neighborhood park key
goals. Owned by Greg Begin.: Mr. Begin (5525 Xenium Lane) stated that
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lie vas against the park because the city alri&dy has him tied up in
court, and now, they are trying to take his home. His homeis on the
property. Jerome. Begin (5035 Vicksburg Lane) also owns, part of th,'s
property. He stated that there is no way the city can take this land
unless they pay him $10 milliun.
Parcel 7 West of Zachary Playfield and north of County Road 9. Owned
by the Forster's. It would create a buffer zone between housing and.
the playfield. Tom Forster (11420 County Road 9) stated that he was
unhappy with the condemnation of his land for the water treatment
plant, and he probably won't get fair value ior this land. He
disagresas with the size, not the idea of the buffer zone.
Commissioner Freels asked about the idea of a trade for some land
owned by the city south of County road 9. Mr. Forster felt that the
value of that land was not as great. He doesn't feet that, abcffer is
really very necessary because houses do abutt the patk in other
portions of the park. He has had. some layouts done by potential
developers, but none of them contain.a buffer zone.
The commissioners discussed what their next step should be.
Commissioner Rosen, requested that Director Blank set up a working
meeting, perhaps with Planning Department staff or the City attorney,
to better clarify their role. They would like to meet, at 5:30,
sometime soon. Director Blank stated that u September or October
Joint meeting with the Planning Commission had been discussed. Chair
Edwards said the Commission should hold back action at the present
time so that the commissioners can think over the citizens' objections
and come back to the next meeting with some, ideas.
b. Plymouth Creek Parking Lot_ Expansion T?udate,. The parking lot is
nearly done.. It still. needs &, one inch wear layer, lights, and
landscaping.
c. CTP 1990-94. Director Blank pointed out that we are $210,000 short
for 1990 in account 218 (Community Parks, Playfields & Trails) because
we spent $500,000 on land this year. Account 219 (Neighborhood Parks)
is. OK in all the years. The commissioners discussed what should be
cut for 1990. Commissionor Hanson moved to approve the CIP with, the
transfer of the Plymouth Creek Tennis Courts to 1991 and Parkers TAke
Playfield to 1992- Commissioner Anderson seconded the motion.
Commissioner Beach felt that the Parkers Lake Playfield would serve
more Plymouth residents than, the Bass Lake. Playfield. She, ammended
the motion to transfer Bass Lake Playfield to 1991 and Parkers Lake
Playfield to 1990. Ammendment was seconded by Commissioner, Rosen.
Director Blank pointed out that he felt the need was greater for Bass
Lake Playfield because the people in the, Osseo School District have no
playfield at all to use in the city. The ammendment was defeated 5
nays. to I aye.. The original motion was passed 5 ayes to I nay.
d. Community Center Ugjate- Director Blank s'harcd the newest drawings
with with Commission and pointed out. changes. For budget purposes,
the metal roof has been changed to shingles, and the wooden beams in
the pool and gym have been changed to steel. The cupola has been
deleted. These features may be bid as add alternates* Director Blank
to
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explained. how McGoff is planning to grade the site in November and;
December and then let the land sit until February when the weather is
more favorable All of the materials would be on the site by this
time, and the construction could resume. City Manager Willisis
planning to meet with home owners associations and local elected
officials to present. the project and answer questions.
NEW BUSINESS
a. ty Plat, None
b. &gust Meeting.. Would be called by the chair if needed.
7 COMMISSION PRESENTATION
None
8., STAFF COMMUNICATION
Director Blank presented a petition: from citizens living near Gleanloch
Park. They would like the city to purchase some land to expand the park.
There is a permanent easement on it already. Commission will discuss this
at the next meeting.
9. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 10:55 p.m.
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CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447
DATE; September 11, 1909
TO; PRAC
FROM: Eric J. Blank, Director of Parks and Recreation
SUBJECT. PARKERSLAKE' DREDGINr'
As per your request, I have met with Fred Moore, Director of Public Works, to
discuss the dredging request of Parkers Lake. Mr. Moore informs me that the
DNR is the. official body which sets the normal 'water elevation, on Parkers
Lake. It is an extremely difficult process, to attempt to have the water level,
adjusted by the, DNR. You are aware that the City uses Parkers Lake as part of
i,tn master storm water retention program. Up to four feet of water is stored
in the lake above the normal water elevation,. If the normal elevation, were to
be rai,sad, this could cause future flooding of property around the lake. This
may include the Parkers; Lake Pavilion, which has its floor set two feet above
the ordinary high water levelof the lake.
Thus, the only way of practically getting water into the bay in the future
would be by dredging this arca. A suggestion was made that the dredging take
place in conjunction with the County Road 6 project, so that the material
could be used. Mr. Moore informs me that the material in, the lake would not
be suitable for any type of work associated' with the County Road. 6 project.
Also the County Road 6 project will have exces3 material of its own which it
will hove to dispose of. Therefore, there does not appear to be any practical
reason, to attempt to tie the timing of the dredging of the lake to the
construction of County Road 6.
I have not attempted to get any quotations o* the cost of dredging the lake,
but I have no doubt that the quoted figure a ''0,004 would be necessary to
undertake a project of this magnitude The ations the commission must
answer then are.
o Would the park. "the public" benefit significantly by
increasing the water acreage of Parkers; Lake?
o Given all the other priority needs for community
playfields, trails, tennis courts, etc., what type
of priority would you place on this project?
I cannot justify.r., high priority for this item. It is, something that could be
done at any time in the future.
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19ZIJ SPRING;SUINER FIELD USE ANALYSIS
Approx. x) - lighted
Plymouth of players of Fields Available in Ply Tatal2 of Players j
Group of Teat, 13/team City Fields Sch Dist. Fields LikIA,
284 BB 13+ 18 234 2, 2) OW 1. WSH 5 47
PCK
284 BB 6-12 32 416 1) LC 1-2, 1 GW' z 6 69
PCK 2
Lions
284 SB 38 494 3 1) 0,W 1-2 4 WSH 1 & 2 8 62
Lions BV 1 & 2
1NHPAA.BB 13+ 11 (19 total)1.43; 1 1) Zach 1 AHS 3 48
1 Home,
1 Away)
1NHPAABB $-12 18 (32 total) 234 2 2) PMS 1 Pilg Ln 5 47
1NHPAA Soccer 7 (13 total 91 2 2) Zch A -B 1 Zach Elem 5 18'
1 Home,
1 Away)
3Ply P & R Adult SB 210 2,730 6 6) Zch 1-4 0 12 228
PMS 1'
PCK l
PAA Soccer 46 598 2 full size 5 all 1/2 10 60
RM A A B size)
3 half size WSH A b B
RM C WWJH A, B, G
PCK Hockey
E & W
Way/Ply 3qccer 27 351. 4 3) OW A,B, 0 7 50
PC A.
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2Lighted fieldo count double,
3All Plymouth groups normally play two games%week plus practice. Plymouth adult softball leagues play one game/week.
LC=LaCompte, GW -Greenwood, AHS -Armstrong, BV=Birchview, OW -Oakwood, PCK=Plymouth Creek, PMS=Ply Middle School,
RX=Ridgemount., WWJH=Wayzata West, WSH-Wayzata Sr. High
Brian P. Carty
Project Manager
Mallard Properties
3500 W 80th Street
Minneapolis, MN 55431
Dear Brian;
1 am in receipt of your August 4 letter regarding canoe storage at Parkers
Lake, Thank you for following up our phone ,conversation with your written
letter.. I will, pass this information on to the City Council and the Park
und. Recreation Advisory Commission for their review. We will give your
suggestion thorough consideration prior to next summer's canoeing season.
Your idea: certainly meets with the overall master planning for the, park and
the community's enjoyment of the water.
The Park and Recreation Advisory Commission and City Council will have to
determine whether or not. this is the appropriate tine for introducing this
program to the park.
Thank you for your time and interest in this mattes. I will keep youinformed.
Sincerely:
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Eric J.. Blank, Director
Parks and Recreation,
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PRAC
3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEYAR6, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447, TELEPHONE (612).%9-2900
MALLARD
PROPERTIES
August 4, s 1989
Mr. Eric J. Blank
Director, Parks and Recreation
City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, Minnesota 554.47
RE: Canoe Storage at Parkers Lake
Dear Eric:
on August 4,, 1989, I called you regarding the installation of a
canoe storage area at Parkers Lake. At that time you mentioned
you had installed two of these storage facilities at Medicine
Lake, only one of which was being used,
Many people who move into the apartments and homes being
developed around Parkers Lake are moving there because of its
proximity to the lake. Naturally, the residents envision them-
selves partaking in various recreational activities at the lake.
One of these activities we have heard a strong demand for was
that of canoeing around the lake. 3n that the lake is relatively
small and sheltered, it provides an ideal location for canoeing.
By means of this letter, I would like to show my support of
providing, a canoe storage facility. Please call me at 893-8802
if there is anything United Properties is able to do to assist
the City of Plymouth in the installation of the storage facil-
ities. Thank you for your consideration of this matter.
Sincerely yours,
Brian P. Carey
Project Manager
BPC/snm
Miglaal I mperties Incorporated
Nortlih,nd 1.seattivc Office (;enter
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Dear Rick:
Or, behalf of the New Hope,/Plymouth Athletic Associatiot,'s Base'rall
Committee, I'would like to thank you and your staff for everything you
have done for us this year.
We, amprecsated the extra effort that Was put in to get the fl.elds.
in Flaying condition for games that could have been rained out. 'rle also
appvlaciated the great effort given by Greg Finn in coordinating the
fields and umpires With our Commissioners,
I would also like to thank you for doing all the scheduling for
the Association, Which made my job a little b1t easier.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
cerely y
Q CLQ
aures Wiczek
3aseball Chairman
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