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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPark and Recreation Advisory Commission Packet 09-14-1989Regular Meeting of the Park and Recreation Advisory Commission September 14, 1989, 7:30 p.m. AGENDA 1. Cull to Order 2. Approval of Minutes 3. Visitor Presentations a. Athletic Associations b. Staff c. Others 4. Repor_ on Past Council Action 5. Unfinished Business a. Comprehensive Park & Trail Plan update - .discussion b. Plymouth Creek parking lot/soccer field update c. West Medicine Lake Drive trail update d. Kilmer Park playground update e Community renter update 6. New Business a. New plats b. Request to dredge. Parkers Lake report c. Joint meeting with Planning Commission date? 7. Coamission Presentation 8. Staff Communication 9. Adjournment Next Regular PRAC Meeting October 12, 1989 i, Minutes, of the Park and RecreatJion Advisory Commission :Fleeting July 13, 1984 Yale. 27 Present. Chair Edwards, Commissivner,s Beach, Anderson, Freels, Rosen,; Hanson, staff Blank, Anderson, and Sankey h.* Absent. Commissioner LaTour 1. CALL TO ORDER Chair :Edwards called, the meeting to order at 7:34 p.m. in the Council Chambers,; L APPROVAL OF MINUTES A: motion was made by Commissioner Rosen and seconded by Commissioner Freels to approve the minutes of the June meeting as presented. T1w mot,)n carried with all ayes. 3. VISL°AOR PKESENTATIONS a. Athletic Associations, None Were present at this meeting. b;.WJ.1, Cindy A,cderson spore on the status of some of the summer programs, Registration is going well rind is higher in most areas. We have arranged for the €irvices of a program integration specialist to help integrate particinAt%ts with disabilities into the classes.. The: integration specialist has yin extensive backgrounds in this type of programming. We have several participants taking advantage of this servict this year. The new full day day camp is going very well.. We had anticipated that working parents would use. the camp as an alternat*ve for day care, but the prevailing registration. seems to be from people just using the camp as a recreational opportunity. The neer art programresponse was so high that we expanded into more sessions. The puppet wagon and playground program participa,on is up. The swimming clauses are going well. We have had approximately 925 participants so far, and are expecting about 340 more in the fourth session. Our lifeguards will he participating in a lifeguard competition. We are starting to gear uta for fall. c Others. Henry Willegalle (1525 Junea,i Lane) spoke on his propo*a1 that the northeast Say ,of P*rkers Lake be dredged out. He had writteni a letter to the mayor 4n this subject, and the mayor suggested that he present his proposal to the Park Commission. Mr. Willegalle feels that the way the bay is right now Is aesthetically ugly, it hampers use of the lake by the people who live on it, and 3.t certainly detracts from the value of his property. He feels that with the expon&ioci project for County Road: 6, now Would be the opportune time to complete a dredging project because the area will be torn up any- ay. Ck—iir Edwards wondered if the lake's: outlet could be adjusted to raise the level o2 the water at lest; expense to the city. D recto- Blank stated that- >>e wasn't sure if this could be done because the July 1.989 FRAC Minutes Page 28 outlet is tied i, Cho- water flow management system for the whole area. Comissi,oner -.1osen asked if the neighbors would be: willing to contribute to the cost of the proJect.. Mr. Willegalle indicated that that would be possible, but he didn't reel they should bear the, entire cost, since the city caused the problem, in ..he first place when the outlet was installed, to prevent flooding several years ago. He feels the project would benefit the entire city because it would create more water 'surface for, water skiving, fishing, and for park, beautification. Chair Edwards `recowse:tded that the proposal go back to staff for study and coss+Vnication vrith the: city engineer and planning departments. Mr4 Willegale will be kept informed. 4. REPORT ON PAST COUNCIL ACTION a. ,Sy an Lake Plat.. Director Blank explained how the agreement was reached on the Swan Lake Plat and approved by the Cocncil. b. Cowpunity Cen}" The, schematic plans were approved by the Council. c. West Medicine Lake Drive Trail. The project will probably go out o; bi,J in September. I S. UNFINISHED BUSINESS i a. r rehensive Park & 'Trail Plan - Public Nearing. Director Blank xplained that the city is, working on updating all comprehensive p'ans, and that PRBC has been working on updating the Masker Park and Trail Plan adopted in 1981. Seven parcels have been identifiedas desirable for park land. This designation does not affect the zoning or guiding on: the property, When the ;land is developed in the icature, the city would acquire it through purchase or park dedication. The outlines of the proposed park land are just approximate at this time. The final boundaries Would be determiaed.at the time of development. Parcel 1-A Northeast of County 'Road 9 and Fernbrook. Owned by Harold Hytjan Bordered by 494 on east and existing parkland on west, surrounding the north side ops a pond area. Designated as a neighborhood. park with a main intent of preservit-, ^rees. These were no citizen comments on this parcel. Parcel " Southern. side of the poi d. Owned by Harold Hytjan. Tree preservation important; There were no citizen, comments on this parcel. Parcel 1-C Best of 1-A and 1-B and south - the existing parkland. Owned by Robert Sevy. Liv Horneland (8804 Knollwood Dr.,, Eden Prairie) with Coldwall Banker, spoke for Mr. Sevy. Mr. Sevy has a. purchase agreement in place with r developer at the present time. He is concerned with the size and shape of the proposed park, since it takes up a conaiderable portion of his land. Since the developer is purchasing land from two different owners for this development, Mr. Sevy is: concerned that if the agreement falls through, the large parkland proposal on his property would adversely affect the value of his property in the future. The developer is aware of park dedication requiresents, July IY5V'PRAC Minutes Page 19 Parcel 2 Located north of Plymouth Creek Park. Preservati.a of the hillside is a prime. consideration;. Owned by the. Thornton's. Attorney Wade Anderson representedthe Thornton's., They have a purchase agreement with a developer, and hope to have the final plat approval and closing in September. Director Blank, 'stated that he has been in contact with the developer, and the developer has agreed to the park dedication a 4how. However, this parcel still needs to be approved in the Com,. A#,vx sive Plan in case: this purchase agreemnt falls through. Parcel 3A Bast of County Road 101 and north of County Road 24. Owned by RichgLeld Bank. & Trust. Parcel is east of previously designated parkland. Would. add to the flexi,bil,ity of this neighborhood park. Preservation of trees and marshland would be important. There were no citizen comments on this parcel, fircel 3B West of Parcel 34.. Owned by Clinton Stromseth. Preservation of trees and marshland also important. There were no citizen comer?ts on this parcel. Parcel 4 Southeast of Old; County Rd 9 and Dunkirk Lane, by Plymouth Creek ';leaaentary School. Owned by Antia Jordan.. Would he designated as a Playf eld. Bill Pritchard with Orrin Thompson Homes spoke: against this park site.. Orrin Thompson has a purchase agreement on this land. The site contains 118 acres, and 50 acres would go toward the park. When they first approached the city about the Comprehensive Park Plan, an area to the vest of this parcel was designated as park. The land on which they have a purchase agreement is zoned as semi- public, They felt the parkland was workable as originally shown; They are not opposed to having a neighborhood park in this area, but are opposed; to the size and type of park; the city is proposirj ,, a. playfield He, feels it would. have -a negative impact on the neighborhood and or 1r:using value. He woull like to work with the Planning Commission and Council to re -guide this land to LA -2 and. would prefer to dedicate about $217,000 in lieu of land.. He would like the park to remain on the west. side. of the development. Mr. Pritchard stated that he is going to the Planning Commission mecting on. August 9 Parcel 5 Southeast_ of County Road 44 and Juneau. Lane;. Owr,,d by Sanford Williams. The Comprehensive Plan had showed a playiie?d, by Pomerleau Lake, however there is a house there now. An alternative wan sought, Mr. Williams has sold the eastern 200 feet to Hennepin Parks for a trail corridor, which would bisect our park lands and provide good public accesai. The 25 acres in this parcel would be good for a. p'layfield. No sewer is available, and the land=:or'. old probably not be developed in, the foreseeable future. Sanford Williams (145.11 County Road '47) stated that there is no wetlanu or treei3 to preserv`r< on this .piece of property; it is farmland.. He objects to the park because it would not leave him with enough land to develop. parcel 6 South or thud Lake, connecting to current park land around the lake. Tree preservation and development of neighborhood park key goals. Owned by Greg Begin.: Mr. Begin (5525 Xenium Lane) stated that July 1989 PRAC Minutes Page, 30 lie vas against the park because the city alri&dy has him tied up in court, and now, they are trying to take his home. His homeis on the property. Jerome. Begin (5035 Vicksburg Lane) also owns, part of th,'s property. He stated that there is no way the city can take this land unless they pay him $10 milliun. Parcel 7 West of Zachary Playfield and north of County Road 9. Owned by the Forster's. It would create a buffer zone between housing and. the playfield. Tom Forster (11420 County Road 9) stated that he was unhappy with the condemnation of his land for the water treatment plant, and he probably won't get fair value ior this land. He disagresas with the size, not the idea of the buffer zone. Commissioner Freels asked about the idea of a trade for some land owned by the city south of County road 9. Mr. Forster felt that the value of that land was not as great. He doesn't feet that, abcffer is really very necessary because houses do abutt the patk in other portions of the park. He has had. some layouts done by potential developers, but none of them contain.a buffer zone. The commissioners discussed what their next step should be. Commissioner Rosen, requested that Director Blank set up a working meeting, perhaps with Planning Department staff or the City attorney, to better clarify their role. They would like to meet, at 5:30, sometime soon. Director Blank stated that u September or October Joint meeting with the Planning Commission had been discussed. Chair Edwards said the Commission should hold back action at the present time so that the commissioners can think over the citizens' objections and come back to the next meeting with some, ideas. b. Plymouth Creek Parking Lot_ Expansion T?udate,. The parking lot is nearly done.. It still. needs &, one inch wear layer, lights, and landscaping. c. CTP 1990-94. Director Blank pointed out that we are $210,000 short for 1990 in account 218 (Community Parks, Playfields & Trails) because we spent $500,000 on land this year. Account 219 (Neighborhood Parks) is. OK in all the years. The commissioners discussed what should be cut for 1990. Commissionor Hanson moved to approve the CIP with, the transfer of the Plymouth Creek Tennis Courts to 1991 and Parkers TAke Playfield to 1992- Commissioner Anderson seconded the motion. Commissioner Beach felt that the Parkers Lake Playfield would serve more Plymouth residents than, the Bass Lake. Playfield. She, ammended the motion to transfer Bass Lake Playfield to 1991 and Parkers Lake Playfield to 1990. Ammendment was seconded by Commissioner, Rosen. Director Blank pointed out that he felt the need was greater for Bass Lake Playfield because the people in the, Osseo School District have no playfield at all to use in the city. The ammendment was defeated 5 nays. to I aye.. The original motion was passed 5 ayes to I nay. d. Community Center Ugjate- Director Blank s'harcd the newest drawings with with Commission and pointed out. changes. For budget purposes, the metal roof has been changed to shingles, and the wooden beams in the pool and gym have been changed to steel. The cupola has been deleted. These features may be bid as add alternates* Director Blank to July 1989 PRAC Minutes Page 31 explained. how McGoff is planning to grade the site in November and; December and then let the land sit until February when the weather is more favorable All of the materials would be on the site by this time, and the construction could resume. City Manager Willisis planning to meet with home owners associations and local elected officials to present. the project and answer questions. NEW BUSINESS a. ty Plat, None b. &gust Meeting.. Would be called by the chair if needed. 7 COMMISSION PRESENTATION None 8., STAFF COMMUNICATION Director Blank presented a petition: from citizens living near Gleanloch Park. They would like the city to purchase some land to expand the park. There is a permanent easement on it already. Commission will discuss this at the next meeting. 9. ADJOURNMENT The meeting adjourned at 10:55 p.m. MEMO CITY OF PLYMOUTH 3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447 DATE; September 11, 1909 TO; PRAC FROM: Eric J. Blank, Director of Parks and Recreation SUBJECT. PARKERSLAKE' DREDGINr' As per your request, I have met with Fred Moore, Director of Public Works, to discuss the dredging request of Parkers Lake. Mr. Moore informs me that the DNR is the. official body which sets the normal 'water elevation, on Parkers Lake. It is an extremely difficult process, to attempt to have the water level, adjusted by the, DNR. You are aware that the City uses Parkers Lake as part of i,tn master storm water retention program. Up to four feet of water is stored in the lake above the normal water elevation,. If the normal elevation, were to be rai,sad, this could cause future flooding of property around the lake. This may include the Parkers; Lake Pavilion, which has its floor set two feet above the ordinary high water levelof the lake. Thus, the only way of practically getting water into the bay in the future would be by dredging this arca. A suggestion was made that the dredging take place in conjunction with the County Road 6 project, so that the material could be used. Mr. Moore informs me that the material in, the lake would not be suitable for any type of work associated' with the County Road. 6 project. Also the County Road 6 project will have exces3 material of its own which it will hove to dispose of. Therefore, there does not appear to be any practical reason, to attempt to tie the timing of the dredging of the lake to the construction of County Road 6. I have not attempted to get any quotations o* the cost of dredging the lake, but I have no doubt that the quoted figure a ''0,004 would be necessary to undertake a project of this magnitude The ations the commission must answer then are. o Would the park. "the public" benefit significantly by increasing the water acreage of Parkers; Lake? o Given all the other priority needs for community playfields, trails, tennis courts, etc., what type of priority would you place on this project? I cannot justify.r., high priority for this item. It is, something that could be done at any time in the future. EB/np 19ZIJ SPRING;SUINER FIELD USE ANALYSIS Approx. x) - lighted Plymouth of players of Fields Available in Ply Tatal2 of Players j Group of Teat, 13/team City Fields Sch Dist. Fields LikIA, 284 BB 13+ 18 234 2, 2) OW 1. WSH 5 47 PCK 284 BB 6-12 32 416 1) LC 1-2, 1 GW' z 6 69 PCK 2 Lions 284 SB 38 494 3 1) 0,W 1-2 4 WSH 1 & 2 8 62 Lions BV 1 & 2 1NHPAA.BB 13+ 11 (19 total)1.43; 1 1) Zach 1 AHS 3 48 1 Home, 1 Away) 1NHPAABB $-12 18 (32 total) 234 2 2) PMS 1 Pilg Ln 5 47 1NHPAA Soccer 7 (13 total 91 2 2) Zch A -B 1 Zach Elem 5 18' 1 Home, 1 Away) 3Ply P & R Adult SB 210 2,730 6 6) Zch 1-4 0 12 228 PMS 1' PCK l PAA Soccer 46 598 2 full size 5 all 1/2 10 60 RM A A B size) 3 half size WSH A b B RM C WWJH A, B, G PCK Hockey E & W Way/Ply 3qccer 27 351. 4 3) OW A,B, 0 7 50 PC A. 1Numbers represent Plymouth portion of the total program. 2Lighted fieldo count double, 3All Plymouth groups normally play two games%week plus practice. Plymouth adult softball leagues play one game/week. LC=LaCompte, GW -Greenwood, AHS -Armstrong, BV=Birchview, OW -Oakwood, PCK=Plymouth Creek, PMS=Ply Middle School, RX=Ridgemount., WWJH=Wayzata West, WSH-Wayzata Sr. High Brian P. Carty Project Manager Mallard Properties 3500 W 80th Street Minneapolis, MN 55431 Dear Brian; 1 am in receipt of your August 4 letter regarding canoe storage at Parkers Lake, Thank you for following up our phone ,conversation with your written letter.. I will, pass this information on to the City Council and the Park und. Recreation Advisory Commission for their review. We will give your suggestion thorough consideration prior to next summer's canoeing season. Your idea: certainly meets with the overall master planning for the, park and the community's enjoyment of the water. The Park and Recreation Advisory Commission and City Council will have to determine whether or not. this is the appropriate tine for introducing this program to the park. Thank you for your time and interest in this mattes. I will keep youinformed. Sincerely: y, ep 6*z— Eric J.. Blank, Director Parks and Recreation, EJ I/np cc! City Manager PRAC 3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEYAR6, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447, TELEPHONE (612).%9-2900 MALLARD PROPERTIES August 4, s 1989 Mr. Eric J. Blank Director, Parks and Recreation City of Plymouth 3400 Plymouth Boulevard Plymouth, Minnesota 554.47 RE: Canoe Storage at Parkers Lake Dear Eric: on August 4,, 1989, I called you regarding the installation of a canoe storage area at Parkers Lake. At that time you mentioned you had installed two of these storage facilities at Medicine Lake, only one of which was being used, Many people who move into the apartments and homes being developed around Parkers Lake are moving there because of its proximity to the lake. Naturally, the residents envision them- selves partaking in various recreational activities at the lake. One of these activities we have heard a strong demand for was that of canoeing around the lake. 3n that the lake is relatively small and sheltered, it provides an ideal location for canoeing. 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AS90' 0111 MNMM' CRY mum FUKIC WM, O aIfy _... now OMECIOR _.. MANN= MOOR ....__ July 23. 1989 rheas WM 4M CM ACMWMRATK AMMM1 PARI( COMWSSItMI Rick 3usch MY AROMY Parks do Recreation Director i6TK R---- Plymouth Mn 554+7 d tc Dear Rick: Or, behalf of the New Hope,/Plymouth Athletic Associatiot,'s Base'rall Committee, I'would like to thank you and your staff for everything you have done for us this year. We, amprecsated the extra effort that Was put in to get the fl.elds. in Flaying condition for games that could have been rained out. 'rle also appvlaciated the great effort given by Greg Finn in coordinating the fields and umpires With our Commissioners, I would also like to thank you for doing all the scheduling for the Association, Which made my job a little b1t easier. THANK YOU VERY MUCH cerely y Q CLQ aures Wiczek 3aseball Chairman N}iFAA