HomeMy WebLinkAboutPark and Recreation Advisory Commission Packet 06-08-1989Regular Meeting of the Park and Recreation Advisory Commission
June 8, 1989, 7;30 p.m,
AGENDA
1. Call to Order
Z. Approval of Minutes
3. Visitor Presentations
a Athletic Associations
b, Staff
c. Others
4. Report on Post Council Action
a. Mooney Lake plat
S. Unfinished business
a. blest Mttdicine Lake Drive trail update
b. Plymoutb CreeU parking lot expansion update
C. Comprehensive plan - review and discuss
d`. Community center update
e. Swan Lake plat update
f CIR 1.990-94
6., New Business
a. New pla;:
b.
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7. Commission Preentation
8. Staff Cowunicati'on
9. Adjournment
Next Regular PRAC Meeting July 13,_1989
Minutes of the Park and Recreation. Advisory Commission Meeting
May U, 1989
Page 1.9
Present: Chair Edwards, Commissioners Andersson, Freels, LaTour, Beach, Rosen
and, Hanson; staff Blank, Busch, Patterson and Pederson; Planning
Commissioner Zylla, Counciimember Sisk
1. CkLL,TO ORDER
Chair Edwards called! the May meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. in the Council
Chambers.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES'
A motion was made by Cowmissioner Rosen ,and seconded by Commissioner Beach
to approve the minutes of the April meeting with one correction noted by
Commissioner Freels on the change of date from May 17 to May 24 for the
park tour. The motion carried with all ayes.
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3. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS
a. Athletic Associations. Nonewerepresent at this meeting.
b. Staff. Rick Busch discussed the adult men's softball leagues that are
underway at this time, and women's, co-rec and church, leagues
scheduled to begin the week of May 15. He stated that youth baseball
and softball association leagues have begun their practices and games,
as well as youth soccer. He indicated that summer part-time hiring
has begun, as well as the, ordering of equipment, supplies and t--
shir.ts.. Park and recreation sponsored golf and tennis lessons begin
the week of M.ry 15, and the rest of the summer recreation programs
will all get underway the week of June 12. Zachary Playfield will be
very busy this summer with softball tournaments scheduled at least two
weekends every month.
c. Qjhers. None were present at this meeting.
4 REPORT ON PAST COUNCIL ACTION
a. The City Council approved a contract with; the community center
architect and a contract with a construction manager.
b.
5. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
a. Mooney Lake pat. This item is, on the agenda for the City Council
meeting of May 15. The Planning Commission is recomnending that Lot
20 of the proposed Lundgren Bros-. pkat be, preserved for open space.
b. Comprehensive flan uQdate. Director Blank pointed out that the
comprehensive plan was displayed on the wall in the chambers, and he
briefly reviewed it for PRAC. Planning Commissioner Zylla also made a,
few short statements about the hearings they have held with regard' to
the comprehensive plan's proposed reguiding.
PRAC Minutes/May 11, 1989
Page 20
c. West Medicine Lake Drive trail update. Director Blank stated that he
had talked with Strgar-Roscoe and they are nearly finished with their
preliminary design. It is expected to be submitted to City staff for
review on May 19
d. Community centcr uRdate. A public hearing on the projected operating
costs and fees/revenues is set for Tuesday, May 16. The architect and
City staff have met several, times in the last few days to draw and re-
draw the plans. The proposed schematic plan may be presented to the
Council: on June 5.
e. 1(ilmer Rlalground u2date. Pour, companies Will be, submitting bids for
the new playground equipment on Friday, May 12. Staff has gone to the
site and looked over the issues of the ditch, streets and culverts to
determine what can be dine to: prevent flooding of the park. The
street dept. may be able to help with these items later this year.
f. Plymouth Creek _aarkina lot expansion. Contractor was scheduled to
begin work on the parking lot Monday, May 8, but he was rained out,
and according to Director Blank, still has not shown up there.
g. Park tour - May 24. The bus will leave the City Center at 5:15 p.m..
Ail commissioners indicated they would attend'.
6., NEWS BUSINESS
a. Slan Lake plat. Director Blank. stated that this proposed plat does
not provide adequate park access for this neighborhood, and that staff
Is in, disagreement with the developer on the size of the park and the
issue of the trail on the west side of Swan Lake. It is staff's;
recommendation that, the developer be directed to redesign the park
with specific instructions to allow for more public land to front on a
street and work towardeliminating the overcrowding, of houses and the
trail going around the lake. As a second alternative, staff suggests
that lots 1, 9 and 10 be included in the park property and that the
trail corridor on the west side of the lake be at least 1.00' wide and.
all of i,t above the high water mark. The developer should also be
required to build the Quinwood Lane culdesac on property other than
that which has been dedicated for park. Director Blank's reasons for
wanting the trail corridor 100 feet wide is to help eliminate some of
the problems that could be encountered by having trail too close to
private back yards.
Tom Loucks, project designer for this proposed plat, then addressed
the Park Commission with the following remarks. He stated that the
proposed plat is 34 acres in size approximately, and that they have
dedicated a, total of 3.43 acres with park proposed on the north end of
the plat and on the southeast corner of the lake. This meets the
City's 105 park dedication ordinance. He stated, that his proposal
also ,provides 2.10 Beet of park frontage on public streets, whish,
although it does not meet the. 50% desired ratio, is much greater than
the 99 feet and 50 feet provided by the developments on, the east and
north sides of the park, and he feels that it would, be unfair to
impose this policy on this development if it was not required of the
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other developers. He also argued that the 100 foot wide trail
corridor requirement would take too much land away from Lots 1 through
10, and they would become undesirable for development, He also stated
that it was not, the responsibility of this developer to construct the
Quinwood culdesac, since, it does not benefit the Swan Lake West plat.
It should have been built by the townhouse development to the north,.
In reference to why the plat wasn't designed to extend Quinwood south
and then west to meet up with 44th Avenue, Mr. Loucks responded, that
the City's engineering department said it wasn't necessary to do that.
Dave Putnam, the project engineer, confirmed the statement about the
road connection not being necessary an further indicated that they
will not construct the culdesac either, since it does not benefit
their development.
Todd. Rapp, the developer's attorney, expressed his opinion that; the
City is suggesting departure from their own policy by wanting to
exceed the 10% park dedication. He stated that, if the City desires: to
acquire land from the developer, they will have to pay based on the
developed price rather than raw land cost. He indicated that this
opinion was based on a recent decision by the Supreme Court that. a
developer can ask for compensation based on developed cost, which
I_ would substantially increase the City's expenses,
Chair Edwards commented that her main concern with the Swan Lake West
plat is the 50 foot corridor for trail not being wide enough. She
alsca feels it could. lead to problems with park users trespassing onto
the back yards of private residences as well as noise coming from loud
radios being used by walkers and bikers on the trail.
Craig Scherber, the developer, commented that the front yard setbacks
required of this plat are only 35 feet, and that that puts people in
closer proximity to the homes than the trail does.
Commissioner Freels expressedhis concern with the limited access; to
the park from. the north And wondered where people would park their
cars. Commissioner Anderson was also concerned about this.
Commissioner Beach stated, that it was likely more users would come
down to the park from the north end., because of the townhouse
development thews, and she was concernedabout the Quinwood, culdesac
interfering with the privacy of the lot immediately west of the
Quinwood extension.
Commissioner Hanson commented that she was abstaining from any
discussion on this item, because the project engineer is one of her
clients.
Commissioner LaTour was unclear as to why the, City desired a 100 foot
trail corridor rather than the 50 foot easement proposed by the
developer. Stuff explained that 100 feet will allow for more privacy
between the homeorner's flack yards and the trail itself. It has been
the City's experience in the past that when back yard lot lines extend
right up to the edge of a grail, problems can occur with private
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residents encroaching on park property and that park noise may bother
some home owners.
A MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER ;BEACH RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY
COUNCIL DENY THE PLAN AS PROPOSED AND ASK FOR RE -DESIGN. THE MOTION
FAILED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
Mr. Loucks commented that the message .he was getting from the
Commission: was to: deny the plat and ask for re -design. He suggested
that if trails: cause so many problems, perhaps they should be;
eliminated altogether, which would allow him to have larger lots in
his plat. He also indicated he Was not pleased with PRAC;recommending
denial of the plat without giving him a reason.
Chair Edwards assured Mr. Loucks that the Commission would state their
reasons for recommending denial..
A MOTION WAS MADE .BY COMMISSIONER BEACH RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY
COUNCIL SEND THE PROPOSED PLAT 'BACK FOR REDESIGN BECAUSE PRAC FEELS
THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE PARK AND BECAUSE THE TRAIL
CORRIDOR OF 50 FEET IS NOT SUFFICIENT. THE MOTION WAS SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON,
Commissioner Freels asked if there was suppostd. to be trail proposed
al,l the way around the lake? Director Blank stated that park was
supposed to go all the way around the lake, not just trail..
Mr. Putnam responded that the City can acquire as much property as
they want and can make the trail as wide as they want, if they're,
willing to spend the money,
Commissioner Rosen stated, he was not `comfortable with asking the
developer to replat. He feels that enough park has been proposed and
that what's necessary now is some type of. trail. He would also like
to see more public access and open views into the park:.
Chair Edwards suggested that the City should cdneider the purchase; of
Lot 1, or 10 in order to gain more access into the park
THE MOTION FAILED ON A 2-4 VOTE, WITH COMMISSIONERS =7REFLS, EDWARDS,
ROSEN AND LATOUR VOTING NAY,
A MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROSEN AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER.
LATOUR TO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITYCOUNCILACQUIRE MORE LAND ON. THE
NORTH SI.DE OF THE PARK WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE: VEHICULAR ACCESS AND
TO CONSIDE( THE DEVELOPMENT OF TRAIL CORRIDOR AROUND THE LAKE. THE
MOTION CARRIED WITH ALL AYES.
GIP 1990-94. Because of the late hour, Director Blank only briefly
reviewed the CIP. Commissioner Rosen wondered if the neighborhood
park proposed. in 1994 for County Roads 24 and 101 had always been
planned,. Director Blank indicated that it had been a part of the
comprehensive plan all along.
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Page 23
Planning, Commissioner Zylla asked if a pl.ayfield is beingplanned for
south of Highway 55 and Director Blank stated that one is proposed for
north of Highway 55. He stated, that the; Greenwood Elementary School
has served as the playfield south of Highway 55,
Councilmember Sisk suggested that when staff plans; for future
playfields, they should meet with the various athletic associations
and find out exactly what their needs are in terms of fields for games
and pract des. He feels that perhaps more practice fields are needed
than.game fields,
Commis.aioner, Beach suggested that FRAC needs to hold a workshop on the
future planning of City parks and playfields.
T. COMMISSION PRESENTATION
Chair Edwards indicated that she would not be at the June 8 FRAC mseting.
Commissioner LaTour will act as Chair.
8. STAFF COMMUNICATION
None
9. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at: 10:10 p.m,
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City of Plymouth
City Council Members
Ref. Lundgren Bros. request for approval of the preliminary pians for the: Reiser farm
development
The Council Meeting of May 24, 1989 to discuss this subject was extremely disappointing
to those of us who attended, tl+ose who signed the petition, the Imperial Hills Home Owners
Association r'nem'uers who unanimously voted at the annual meeting to support a preserve
on Lot 20 block 4, and the residents who boarder the development. Hundreds of people
have said "help us preserve the wild life and natural state of the land of block 20 as a
preserve. it is a positive addition to the lagoon area." Not one person has come forward
to say "build_a house on Lot 20."'
Lundgren Bros. management has been pursuing the Rieser property for years and have
been courting, Mr. and Mrs. Rieser for a long, time. The Riesees sold the property to
Lundgren Bros. because they believed Lundgren Bros. would be good shepherds of the
land and would work closely with the Rieser's to satisfy their personal needs and desires.
Many ocher developers were -rejected
Seven months ago I started to follow the Mans for the development and approached the:
multiple organizations that have some jurisdiction. These include;
The City of Plymouth and its departments and appointed/elected bodies
The DNR of the State of Minnesota
Minnehaha Creek Water Shed District
U.S.. Army Corps of Engineers
Metropolitan Water Control District.
The management in each organization especially the City of Plymouth has .said "work
with our staff to provide input."
havespokenout loudly to leave the lagoon as is, extend the wild fife area by making
lot 20-a preserve, solve the sanitary sewer lift station overflow and noise problem and
solve the storm drainage problem. All normal concerns. about any new development and
all solvable within rules and regulations, of the city. The council members I talked with
said work with the City staff, the Park Commission and the Planning Commission because
the Council heeds their advice. Ifollowed that recommendation and convinced many
ethers to follow the same path• l was shocked and embarrassed when Council ignored
staff completely, rejected Lot 20 as a preserve and embarked on a new direction known
only to the coun-el as to why:
Before the approval of the development was tabled there was discussion about a park
path and viewing a:'ea as well as a house on Lot 20. Additionally there were two major
objections to Lot 20 as a preserve.
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1, It would be extremely difficult to police the area. Not one resident agrees with
you. `Lundgren Bros. management has brought this up at every meeting, private,
public and with homeowners. Not one resident has been scared by this tactic
you have heard no concern from us yet you think it's a major problem. An
interesting change; from the norm and the forum before the council meeting where
residents, wanted more policing and you were reluctant.
2. In everyone's mind who attended the council meeting the #1 issue was the council's
reluctance to have to pay dollars to acquire Lot 20. The issue was not that the
preserve wasn't a good idea, just the city can't: afford to pay.
Someone didn't do their homework. There is absolutely no reason, legal or ethical to
have to pay for the land. Lot 20 and all outlots in their total square footage are less
than the 10% allowed under city rules and regulations for property to be deeded to the
city.
In your own words, the City of Plymouth was tired of receiving swamp land as a. donation
to the city 'so youpassed legislation than says effectively that all land to be, deeded to
the city must be above the ordinary high-water line and all _land _below will not be counted.
Let me repeat -- all land recommended to be deeded by the builder to the City by the
Park Commission, the Planning Commission, by City Staff and every single resident who
has spoken is less than the 10% authorized by city regulations. Let the city now become
good shepherds along with the builder and protect a small piece of land for its natural
beauty and wildlife characteristics. There is; precedence for this kind of action -- the
109'Y, rule was used by the city to get the Parker's Lake shoreline from that developer.
One last comment. If Lot 20 cannot be a preserve in its entirety, then please, please
do not, have, a park path and a house. My home and others will be surrounded by asphalt
30+ feet in front for a street, 4-8 ft. on the side, and 20-30 ft. in the back (driveway
and park path). i can find no other house in Plymouth that is surrounded by that much
pavement. One or the other a park preserve or a house -- not both. Please don't give
us the worst of both worlds.
Thank you for your time, consideration and patience. Call me if there are questions
or you need more information.
Paul I Wirtz Q_`?
Homeowner J _
475-2074(H)
475-9104(0)
cc: City of Plymouth
Planning Commissionf
Park Commission
Minnehaha Creek Water Shed District.
State of MN -DNR_
Fredrickson & Byron - Mr. Larry Berg
Friends of Mooney Lake Association
Imperial Hills Homeowners Association
Greentree West Homeowners Association
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May 30, 1989
Mr,, Eric J. Blank, Director
Parks & Recreation
City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth 81.
Plymouth, MN 55441
Dear Mr. Blank;
This past winter we had a telephone discussion regarding keeping the
pathway along West Medicine Lake Drive (26th St. to Northwest Bl..) and
along Northwest Boulevard(from South of Test Medicine Lake Drive to Co.
Rd. 9) clean of snow.
My observation from my home is that as long as the path is clear, people
use it extensively for running, walking, bike riding, etc. However,
when it is snow covered, the activity slows except for an occasional snow-
mobiler.
I am requesting that these pathways be kept clear to allow running and
other similar physical activities throughout the wi:nteY. As it is, the
residential streets: are not particularly clean, and ruining on more
major roads is potentially dangerous due to auto traff4c.
Your consideration of this request is appreciated.
Si cerely
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Preliminary MasterPlan Cost Estimate
Brauer g Associates Ltd'. /87-05X
I. Tannic Court Area
1 Courts 10 each 127,000.00
6" crushed agg. bass
3" asphalt
Cushion court surfa' X 4
v uts., poata,etc . H
2. Bleachers 40,000.00
Seating 300
3. Faking 34,000.00
1.0 foot black vingl coating 3 ov F_ A
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4. Side , 27,5`00.00
4" concrete
5. Totlot 25,000.00
5000 a.f.
1CAM) 48,000.005. Parking and drives
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6" crushed agg. base
3" asphalt So toy 26 C V
curbing B6-1$
atriping
T. Strip, stockpile i re-spread topsoil 4,000.00r tr.
8. Excavation and Placement 35,000.00 iOjM''
9. Romova13 1,000.00 o'
Sidewalk
curb and Sutter
10. Sod 229000-00
11. Planting 10,0`00.00
12. ConoessionlRestroom Building 60,000.00
1,000 a.f.
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1,500.00 S`
1-1l2" copper, hook-up B valves
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I. Tennis Court Area (continued)
14. Sanitary Sewer Servide 2,800.00 ?St'
4* C.I.P.
15. Building Power Service 5,000.00 tnr'
16. Court Lighting 120,000.00
10 Courts /,, F {drW'r
Subtotal Tennis Court Area $563,100.003nbLo
15% Contingency 859500.00
GRIND TOTAL ?INNIS COURT AREA =648,,600.00 vr)I)
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4. Parking 68,80:0.00
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6. Servi a Dries 2,50040
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COMMUNITY CENTER OPERATING BUDGET/FEES-REVENUES COMPARISON
ESTIMATED EXPENSES
PERSONAL SERVICES... .. .. ... 461,270
MATERIALS i SUPPLIES..... a.............. ...... ..,. 7 5,000
CONTRACTUAL SERVICES.......... ............................. .........................., 33 500,6
CAPITAL OUTLAY..................................................... 7_50o
TOTAL......................................... 74 4
ESTIMATED REVENUES*
Family Memberships-.Res 300 x $250 - 5,000
Non Res 15 x $375 _ 5,625
Individual Memberships-Res 350 x $11.0 = 38,500
Non Res 20 x $165 = 3,300
Daycare Membership 50 x $100 _ 5,000
plus daily fee of 0.75 per child - 31000
Mon-Fri 9am-4pm only, except holidays)
General Admission (90,000 visitors @ $2.67 ea) 240,300
Adults 18 b over $3.00
Youth 2-17 $2.50
Children under 2 free
See attachment on comparable fees)
SUB-TOTAL 370,725
Ice Time A Skate Sharpening 210,000
232,000 four other rinks average)
Pool Retal (special times only) 2,500
Swim Lessons 5,000
Great Hall (60 rentals x $400,) (Brk Pk $22,000) 24,000
Racquetball (4 hr x 3 Courts = 12 hr x $5/hr _
60/day x 365) _ 21,900
Brooklyn Park $23,000, 2 courts
Eden Prairie $40,000, 3 courts.
Gym/Track 2,000
Teen Center (10 coin operated games) 15,000
Dance/Aerobics 9,125
50 per visit charge part of class fee
at 50 per day
Food Vending (net revenue) 18,000
Arts b Crafts 8,000
50 each visit in class fee (20 students
per day per room)
Multi-purpose (two rentals per week @ $25 each) 2,600
Locker Rental 150,000 x .25 537.500 4
TOTAL x,726.350 5688.85
Tax Support Required jjALk7Q> <j85.570>
Note: The user or membership fees have NOT been formally established and are
only preliminary for fiscal forecasting.
DRAFT
May 30, 1989
SENIOR CENTER OPERATING COST 'ESTIMATE
Personal Services
Manager.. .... $54,500
Lead Maintenance . .33,800`
3 Maintenance.. . .. .•.... .85,800
Night cleaning.. .81,760
Clerk/receptionist.. ••23.400
279,260 x 5% = $13,963
Melgriais and'SM22lies
Janitorial...... ... ....$25,000 x 5% w 1,250
nt'c alServices
Fond licenses.. ..... .. ..$1,500 x 50% = 750
SCS......................_........... 1,0 1,0300xlUOX3 00
Liability .insurance .......................40,000 x 5% _ 2,000
Electricity.... .120,000 x 2% 0 2,400
Gas.. ... ..43,000: x 2% _ 860
Water/sewer..........,............. 2,01 00 x 2% a 240
Phone ..................................... 5,000 x 2% _ 250
Buildingreserve.... ..... . x2X5,00.0_ 25
52,963
PLYMOUTH COMMUNITY CENTER
ESTIMATED PROPERTY TAX SUPPORT
Tax
Support Annual Tax- Support by Home Value (SI9000*s)
so 90 100 - 120 140 160 Igo 200
5100, 000S 2.24 S 2.66 S 3.08 S 3.92 S 4.76 S 5.60 IS 6.44 S 7.27
148,000 S 3.32 S 3.94 S 4.56 S 5.60 S 7.04 S 6.29 9 9.53 SI0.76
1851,000 S 4.14 4.92 S 5.70 S 7.25 S 8.81 5I0.36 SII -91 913.45
PARRS 1989-94 CAPITAL D14KNEMEJI'S PROGRAM
1989 Plymouth Creek park tennis courts (4) 210,000
1990 Swan Lake neighborhood park acquisition/development 200,000
Bass Lake playfield/neighborhood park
218) $425,000
219) 75,000 500,000
Ridgemount playfield 75,000
Playfield land acquisition-contract For deed
Trail - 46th Avenue from Zachary to Nathan Lane 35,000
Trail - West Medicine Lake from 18th Ave to RR 115,000
1991 Northeast neighborhood park acquisition/development 135,000
Playfield land acquisition --contract for deed
Parkers Lake playfield 450,000
Shiloh neighborhood park playground 40,000
Trail 50,000
1992 Vicksburg & 22nd Avenue neighborhood park 90,000
County Road.9 & Fernbrook neighborhood park 130,000
Playfield land acquisition-contract for deed
Phase II playfield 350,000
West Medicine 1xike park phase I
Timber Shores parking lot 15,000
Trail - Zachary Lane frorn Old 9 to Co. Rd. 10
10,500 ft x $10 105,000
1993 mad Lake neighborhood park 130,000
Playfield land acquisition
Phase II playfield 400,000
West Medicine: Lake park phase II
Gleanloch playground replacement 35,000
Trail 50,000
1994 Co Rd 101 &,24 neighborhood park 140,000
Playfield/neighborhood park land acquisition
Parkers Lake group picnic grounds 150,000
Trail 50,000
Not in CIP
Forsters property west of Zachary playfield
Shelter building for Ridgerrount playfield
Plymouth Creek pond
Golf course
overall weak on trail development
1989 PARK DEDICATION FUNDS
City Parks/Community Playfields Neighborhood Parks
218) 219)
Date/Com nts $g_venu Expenses Balance Date/Comments Revenue menses Balance
1/1/89 $497,325 1/1/89 195,434
2,244 495,081 4,391 Interest
2,280 492,801
May 1st 188,643 683,688 May ist 80,847 280,672
Oakwd Playground 10,000 270,672
Interest- 11,094 694,782 Greenwood Est. 10,000 260,672
Ply. Crk. Parking 80,000 614,782 Kilmer 20,000 240.,672
Est rest of '89 80,000 320,672
West Med Trail (est) 75,000 534,782
Sup't house. /land 108,000 426,782
Est rest of '89 200,000 626,782
During first five months of 1989, park dedication revenue was $269,490.
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3400 PLYMOUTH BLVD., PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447`
TELEPHONE (612) 559-2800
MEMO
DATE; March 13, 1959 for Council Meeting of Marcn 20, 1989
TO: Mayor & City Council,
FROM: Games G. Willis, City Manager
SUBJECT BOARD/C"ISSION 308 DESCRIPTION
le ACTION REOWSTO: Adoption of the attached board/comisslon Job
description for distribution to all incumbents.
2 BACKGROM: At their February 27 meeting, the City Council directed
that the draft board/commission fob description be distributed! to all
board and commission chairpersons and members for comm. nt. On February
28 the draft description was distributed requesting comments to City
Cler;: Laurie Rauenhorst no later than March 10. As of March 10 we have
received three comments, each of which indicated the job description
appeared to be acceptable. Barb Edwards recommended that additional
performance criteria tse added to the effect: that:
Commissioners remain aware of problems, unique circumstances ar
conditions in other commun3ties which effect the commission's area
of responsibility.
CoW ssioners demonatrate a kno.,a e of national trends in the.
t don's area of responsf,bility.
It it ceeL.;,- ided that the Ci%j Council consider this input and adopt
the job description with appropriate revisions. I will distribute the
final descr:[ption to. existing board and commission members.
CITY OF PLYMOUT
3400 PLYMOUTH BLVD„ PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447
TELEPHONE (612) 559-2800'
MEMODATE:.. February 28, 1989
TO; Board do Commission Members do Cy airs
FROM; 3a nes G. Willis, City Manage ;
SUBJECT REVIEW OF DRAFT BOARO/COMMISSION 308 DESCRIPTION
As part of this year's recruitment efforts to appoint new board and
commission members and chairs, the City Council has directed that the staff
prepare a Job description. The purpose of the description is to better
define the responsibilities of the position for board and commission
applicants and incumbents,
The Council has preliminarily reviewed the attached fob description and is
now requesting your input. Would you please review this job description and
supply your comments to City Clerk Laurie Rauenhorst no later than Friday, March 10, 1989..
Thank you,
3#: kec
cc: Laurie Rauenhorst, City Clerk
S.F. 3/10/89
POSITION WRITE-UP
Position 7itlez Volunteer Board & Commissiorn Member Date February 1989
Accountable To Mayor & Cite Council
Primary Objective of Position
To identify and discuss issues within commission range of responsibilities, receive and
consider public input and provide appropriate recommendations to the City Council in a
fashion; which will facilitate the Input of concerned parties into the City's decision-
making process both through the public hearlogprocess and the individual, input supplied
by each commissioner.
Major Areas of Accountability
Regularly and thoroughly p!•tpares for each agenda item under consideration. 1
Thoroughly reads and reviews agenda materials supplied.
Becomes familiar with the City Comprehensive Plans and other city documents
relating to area of accountability:
Conducts site visitations as appropriate,
Solicits and receives input from affected parties and the general public.
Contacts affected parties to solicit input and remains available for
Meaningfully participates in consideration of agenda items.
Actively listens to ensure a complete appreciation of each proposal and the 2
respective positions of the petitioner, affected parties (businesses, residents,
etc..) and the City staff,
Participates in discussion of issue, including requesting additional data. and/or 3
supplying personal perspective both from a city-wide perspective, as well as
the commissioner's view of the impact of the proposal on the area contemplated..
Disqualifies self from participation where actual or potential conflict of interest 4
occurs.
Participates in pecial study subcommittees or task forces to provide information 5
for commission consideration.
Assumes responsih.11ty For accomplishing necessary research either by calling
other communities, talking to appropriate individuals or requesting that the
staff prepare appropriate: research.
Assumes a constructive and active role in the output of the task force.
Serves as chair of commission or subcommittee If so assigned. 6
Maintains close liaison between City Councilmembers and City staff to maximize
cooperative relationships,
F-jajor,Ardas of Accountabili'tContinued
Discusses problems encounteredwithin the scope of commission activities
or witR staff or Councilmembers to eliminate problem.
Remains aware of and recommends areas for potential improvements in
commission activities or standard operating procedures.
Performance Criteria
Regularly invests sufficient time and energy In conducting the necessirj, review
of agenda materials, obtaining response to questions and visiting: sites as
necessary to he able to meaningfully participate in commission activities.
Commissioners are exrc%,cted to attend 100% of all meetings with an 80% minimum
unless an excused absence has been previously arranged with the chair.
Does not furtheranagenda of staff, Mayor, Councilmember or special interest
group, but rather displays a perspective for the: overall good of the community.
Avoids conflict of interest and annually submits the conflict of interest
disclosure form in accordance with City policy.
Becomes fully familiar with City comprehensive plans, budgets, capital improvement
programs and other documents necessary to have a basic understanding of theroleoftheCityandthecommission.
Active participation at meetings demonstrates completion of background research,
site visitation and homework necessary for understanding and deliberation ofIssues.
Behavior conforms to that of commission standards and commissioner recognizes the
role of the commission as advisory, not policy making.
Commissioner recognizes that the City Council may take final action which varies.
from commission recommendations after further consideration and deliberation.
Since much of the City's ltadership has evolved through advisory commissions, the
commissioner should make citizens feel represented and heard through their
activities on the commission.
The commissioner is to be apolitical with respect to, his/her eomission duties.
Qualifications
Plymouth resident for two or more years.
Prefer previous activity in civic organi+ations or interests.
Most have an ability to detect differences between perception, fact end fiction.
Should possess considerable` ability to assimilate a diversity of facts and
draw a conclusion and position therefrom.
Quai A' f3cat3ons Continued
A commitment to actively seek out the opinions, of those proposinq and affected
by commission actions.
An understanding of the precedential nature of commission decisions.
A willingness to report problems to the chair or CCR in order that they can
be resolved: promptly.
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Sh01W Tich V4dia C01"P Y ..
ViDLUME 5„ NUMBER 22
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GOLF pMLOPMENT` o1.
DRAWS MOS PLAYERS
by Andris Strommmis
3 ou must have been stuck out on
the back nine to not have noticed
that the game of golf _ and golf course ,
development-- is on the upswing,
Hardly a week goes by these days that
sontecme doesnt talk or write about golf and
how it relates to real estates
The current edition of GolfMarket Today,
a newsletter published by the Jupiter, Fla.
based National Golf Foundation, notes in its -
leadheadline, "Golf Course Development
On The Upswing In US"`
A: recent promotional brochure. touts the
benefits of a new tit sheet from Nano, r
i r ,
Calif. -rased, Crittenckn News Service Inc, J) a
For $287 you can get SO issues of Golf Real;
Estate Development. "Cash in on the booth-
inggoif business the brochure offers. Crit 1' t
it also is hosting a June 20.-21 seminar
in Washington, D.C., on the topic. ,
And just received -in last week's mailthe £_• K
latest edition of Appraisal Views, a quarter
Boblett Associates inc. The lead- item is
t
1 newsletter of Minneapolis-based Robert
headlined, Golf Course Valuation- A Dif, ,
ficult Plav:, tion in the Carver Count' cite of Victoria, 400 a year, or about t (100 golf cour ts" sa),
The boom, in golf course developtttent is southwest of Minneapolis. Kit Bradshaw; manager of public relations, for
sDmned by the demograpftics of the "baby "It's got. all the demographics going for it.. the NGF
booth generation, n, notes r Jarvis, presi- Jmvis says of golf. 7 he NGF, a nonprofit research and golf
dent of Mttttteapttlis-based Bennett Ringrosc Indeed„ the growth of the Spon has been market de`elopment organization, figures
Isleld Jarvis Gardner Inc. "It's really a phenomenal. And, according to industry there were. 11.2 million golfers in the United
hwion ofthe aging of ;he bath- boomers" he observers, the nation is starving for more States in IM At the sumo tine, there were t
says. BRW is a arwng consuhant for several courses. One estimate, by the National Golf 10.188 "golf facilities" in the counir) A golf a
oof1f course developments in the Detroit and Foundation. suggests that just to keep pace facility has one or nein golf couru:x.
Phoenix areas, and Jarvis is an individual in- with the demand, one course a day must open Gots
vestor in an 18 -hole course under construe- between now and the year 2000. "% need la pa --i tJ
t
er to Ffi&tions for two parcels of land, While he refersFmmDec7questionsaboutthedeveloper's plains for the
site to First Western officials, Cu.uct does
FIRST WESTERN PLANS NORTN'TOWN PLAZA say that the Colorado company has. had pur-
chise agreements in effect for seven to eight
Andrbyis Straumania
months.
poral a L. One 1C+-acrcpiccc fronting both
Golf
f1otn page 1
Last year, an estimatel 23,4 million
Americans -- or 10,4 percent of the total.
papulatkm played golfat least once, The
number of golf tact ties stood at 12,582,;
1n other words, while the number ofpeo
pie who play the game has more than doubl-
ed in the pest 18 years, the number of facilities
has increased only 23 percent,
GolfWso is a nxxigj-corker, Nationally, it's
a $20 billion industry that could double in
sixc by the vwr 20K says tike NGF, 11w,-
NGF's, 1989Golf Consumer Profile, which
survewd 30,000 golfers to learn their spen-
ding and playing habits, found that the
average golfer spends $448 on the game in a
typical year. Of the total, $131 is spent on
eyunpment, while* $317 is spent on "opera-
tional expenses" such as course, and
clubhouse fees and lessors,.
Oh, and fix those ofyou keeping score; the.
profile also found that tt,t average golfer is 22
strokes over par,
Thr Minnesota Market
By its nature, golf is a warm season game,
So it's no wonder that Florida ranks w,n top in
terms of the number of golfcourses.—a total
of 932 as of the end of last year, says the
NGF's Bradshaw. California is second with
836.
But the Midwest has a strong showing in
those statistics, too. Michigan, im example,
MLfifth - -
after Ncw York and, Texas — with
Irl. And Minnesota, somewhat surprising-
ly, ranks 11th with 387 golf courses.
Of those, 216 are "daily fee" courses,
which are privately owned but open to the
public: 77 are municipal courses, and 94 ane
private courses.
Minnesota's respectable showing in the
statistics is outdone by neighboring Wiscon-
sin, which had 415 courses at the end of 1988.
Wisconsin, also surprisingly, had the highest
pace -mage efparticipation in golfin 1981. An
estimated Gib, percent of the Badger State's
residents P .A* at least once that year, ,corn -
pared to a national average of 9,5 percent,
The face the game tanks high in Minnesota
and Wisconsin is attributable to what Curt
Wealker calls "deprivation golf,' Walker, ex-
ecutive- director of the Blonom,ng:on-based in-
terratnonal Golf Course Association, says
Upper, Midwest golfers are deprived of the
links in, winter, so they makeup for it in the
warm months,
Thal interest in the sport, and the decidedly
upscale demographics of the region, make
the Twin Cities a good place to develop
courses,
The Twin Cities market is a very hot golf
market;" says Bili Maple, president of Deer
Run Managvment Inc, He, Jarvis tit' BRW and
other investors are building the 18 -hole Deer
Run course in Victoria.
Last, fall, the NGF's Golf Market Today
picked the Minneapolis -St. Paul area as 38th
among the top 50 hot spots for golf develop-
ment, A total of 341,293 golfers live in the
area, with 3,235 golfers for every 18 holes,
Responding to the interest here and around
the country,. (l,velopers have been pursuing
golf course projects. And it's no longer jusi
former professional golfers who are in-
terested in the market,
There are developers in the Twin Cities
who have not heretofore considered golf
courses" as,real estate, development prcducts
who are now looking seriously at the market,
says -Jarvis." seed l vKwki rxx be surprised
if they're not alone,"
The majority of courses planned today,
says Bradshaw of the NGF, ate in conjunction
with other real estate development, such as
housing subdivisions, "Prior to 1985, that
was not the case,' Bradshaw says,
Doer Run is an example. While the course
complete with a renovated brick far-
mhouse serving as the clubhouse — will be
run as a profit center, the 123 -acre develop -
men( is in tandem with Deer Run Neighbor-
hoods, Deer Run Neighborhoods is a
4O0 -acre development that, when completed
over an eight- to 10 _year period, will see con-
siruction of 380 single -Family and townhouse,
dwellings, says Canis Oakes, planning and
zoning administrator for Victoria. The
developer is Fred. Plocher, ;a Victoria real
estate broker,
In nearby Shakopee, Laurent Builders is
developing Stonebrooke, a 90-101 upscale
single -family subdivision next to O'Ucrvd
l:ke and an 18 -holt championshipcourse,
While sotn)e courses tied to residential sub-
divisions are reserved just for owners of
homes, the NGF and other industry observ-
ers, are
bserv-
ers,are calling for more development ofdaily
fee and municipal courses,
Around Minnesota; at least three daily fox:
courses arc planned or under construction,
according to the NGF's Golf Market. Today,
They include 18 -hole Ridgewood, Golf
Course planned in Farmington, nine -hole
Perham lakeside Golf Club under construe -
tion in Perham, and the 18 -hole Southerer
Lakes Golf planned, in Roseville:.
Cities, eager to provide green space and a
recreational amenity, also are getting into the
golf course development game, Inver Grove
Heights, for example, is considering building
a 27 -hole facility, including an 18 -hole cham-
pionship course, an executive nine -hole
course, a driving range and a clubhouse,.
The Inver Grove City Council, says Park
and Recreation Dirt ctor Bruce Anderson, is
scheduled to receive a final report June 26
from a task force that's been studying the
issue, If the council approves ofthe plan, the
city wAild move ahead to acquire-nme 225
acres it would need for the golf ficiirty, which
could open in 1991.
The development, Anderson says, likely
would. be financed with the use of net revenue
bonds, which the city would repay from the
fees it collects from golfers,
A bond referendum has not been con-
sidered, and for a very good reason, "Tradi-
tionally; says Jarvis of BRW; "golf courses
have been a hard sell where a bond issue is in-
volved."
Development Factors
Despite the growing interest in golf, it's not
a real estate market made for a quick finan-
cial kill. Many variables, not least of which
is construction costs, must be considered.
Development costs, depending in parton
the day of the land and the desire difficulty
Of the course, can range from MOpo to $3
million for an 18 -hole course, says Jarvis,
Usually about 120 to 150 acres are needed
for an 18 -hole course, The cost of the land,
however, can deterrmw whether a course; is
icasible, "It's a heck, of a lot harder to make
them %4"rk of $30,OW an acre -- almost ini-
possible — than at under $10,000 an: ace`:,'
Jarvis says,
In the Snow Belt states, adds 1 alkcr ofthe
Golf Course Association, typical develop-
mentcosts should, range fro;nS1,5 nubion to
2 mullion. "If you're paying debt service on
2 million; that's $200,000 (a year) in debt
service you have to coni; up with" Ami that
can be tough if gross revenues are less than
600,000 to S7Ct RW a year,
Walker, who runs the state-owned nii t-
hole Fort Snelling Public Golf Course in
Minneapolis, complains that one mistake
some developers make is to not invest enough
in the quality of the course, Another mistake,
Jai v'is adds, is overbuilding a clubhouse and
then not being able to support it,
The latter apparently is the case for the
18 -hale championship Edinburgh USA
municipal course in Brooklyn Park, Opened
in 1987, the acclaimed course grosses about
1 million a year fordw city, says Community
Development: Director Ron West,
Out the clubhouse, privately developed by
Edinburgh Associates, apparently has run in-
to some financial trouble. The city has agreed
to purchase the building from the developer
for $1,8 million — about half the original
development cost.
On rhe whole, however. Edinburgh has
been successful. Besides the course and the
clubhouse, the area has seen the developnxtnt
by Brooklyn Park -based Gracelyn Develop-
ment of single-family and townhouse dwell-
ings, West says. And just recently, Trammell
Crow Co. Residential received city approval
to build X29 luxury apartment units next to the
golf course, while Plymouth -based
Dominium Group has been given the go-
ahead for 172 units of rental apartments and
townhouses. iW
A
M ay 8o 1989
Payor, Virgil Scheider
City of Plymouth `
34001 Plymouth Boulevard .
Plymouth MN. 55417
Regarding: Parkers. Lake Day on Juneau Lane,
Dear mayor Virgil Scheider `
My concern, as well as my neighbors and other residents of
Plymouth., is what, are the cities plans, if any, to clean up
the Parkers Take bay on Juneau Lane.
The question was raised at the City Council meetings on the
Parkers. Lake Watershed as to what depth the lake would be
set at. We were told the depth based on the hundred year
rainfall would leave us with ample water levels to enjoy
the lake. Even in wet years the water is not deep enough
to allow launching our boats without mucking about in the
mud and it is obvious during dry years that we no longer
have lakeshore. It appears the lake was leveled about three
feet lower than it should have been.
There are several solutions; all of which include dredging.
The most expensive part of this operation is the removal of
the dredged material. This seems to be a necessary expense.
It should be noted that Bloomington dredged Penn Lake (84th
and Penn.) about twenty years ago and to my knowledge not!Ang
ever, grew on the island they created with the dredged material
Assuming the city would be interested in dredging the bay; the
remo, 1 material Gould be dumped. into the current county
road a project. The time required to dredge and remove the
material should take approximately two weeks. The amount to
be rmoved (assuming a three foot depth) would be 35,000 cubic
yards at a cosi of approximately $50,000. The DNR has pictures
of the bay on file but a permit wouldhave to be applied for.
This would be the opportune time to do this project with all
the construction planned for this summer in this area. If this
project is not done this summer I am afraid it will never be
done because it would .Iot only be impractical but the cost would'
be prohibitive.
The first thing people see when they jog or go to the beach is
this eyesore; and I have heard many comments to this affect.
The city would gain another seven acres of usable lake, the
lake would be more attractive, and as residents we could once
again use the lakeshore Compared to the money already spent
on the Parkers Lake and. Watershend projects this is a minimal
expenditure for what everyone would gain. This would be a win,
i win.-si'uati,on where the city, its- residents, and the people
F.. who Zive on the lake win and there would be no losers.
May 8, 1989
Eric Blank
Park. and; Recreation Director
City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth M. 55447
Reference my letter to Mayor Virgil Scheider.
Dear Eric Blank;
I thank it would be a shame to lose this opportunity to gain
5--7 acres of usable lake for a small investment. This area
will be under construction for the beach tunnel, County Road 6,
and the sound: barriers.. The area to be dredged is still dry and
I believe the removed material could be used as fill could be
used as fill on the road project.
You can build all the paths,, buildings, and improve landscaping,
but there are few opplartunities to gain a 5% increase in lake
size. There is also the advantage of upgrading the overall
appearance of the beach area. Imagine the additional area.for
fishing and boating. It is, currently hard to get around in the
bay area even with the water at normal levels.
T would appreciate any support you could give to the success
of this project.
Thank you for your support.
Henry Willegalle
1> w'vkkIVUL'71(1111'
1525 Juneau Lane.
Plymouth MN 55441
P MYOURt
Mr.. Henry Willegalle
1525 Juneau Lane
Plymouth, Minnesota 55641
SUBJECT: ,ARKIR' S LAKE BAYON JUNEAU LANE
Dear Mr. Wi'llegalle
Your letter suggests that: the City consider dredging Parker's Lake,
particularly the bay on the northeast corner of the lake.
You expressed concern about the existing lake water level. In 1980 the City
installed an outlet fros the lake to solve flooding which had become an
annual problem. The elevation of the outlet was established through the.
Department of Natural Resources at the historic high water level which
existed' prior to urban development.
The existingwaterlevel is at the outlet elevation.. Lake levels throughout
the state have been affected by the drought-like conditions we have
experienced, last year and this spring. The snow run-off and rain we have
thus far received, have only restored the lake to the outlet elevation. its
sure you have read about other area. lakes which remain well below their
normal water levels.
You suggest that a dredging project be undertaken for Parker's Lake. The
park component of the. City's five year, Capital Improvement Program (CIP)
does not presently include; a dredging project for Parker's Lake. Since this
is the City's planning document for such public, improvements, the project
would have to be included here in order for construction to take place. You
may wish to formally suggest the inclusion of a Parker's Lake dredging
project in the CIP by attending the. Park and Ucreak,. on. Advisory Commission
public hearing scheduled for Thursday, July 13 at 7:30 p.m. in the City
I, Center Council Chambers.
You should be aware of A few things:
1 Any dreiging of the lake to likely to have both a general benefit
to lake users, but also a special benefit to those who live around
the lake. Accordingly, a portion of the dredging cost would likely
be specially assessed against the benefitting properties.
Mr. Henry Yillegalle
May 16, 1989
Page 2
2 The spoil dredged from the lake cannot be used for the. County Road
6 project as it is unsuitable as subsoil for the roadway.
I havesharedyour letter with members of the City Council. I have also
supplied a copy to Park and; Recreation Director blank with the request that
it be distributed with the agenda materials for the Park and Recreation
Advisory Comission CIP Publit, Hearing:
Thank you .for sharing_ your suggestion with so. I hoPe you will pursue it by
attending the upcoming public hearing.
Sincerely,
4Vigil Schneider
Mayor
V&:ljk
cc: City Council,Members'
Eric 'Blank
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