HomeMy WebLinkAboutPark and Recreation Advisory Commission Packet 05-11-1989Regular Meeting of the Park and Recreation Advisory Commission
May ll, 1989, 7:30 p.m.;
AGENDA
1. Call to Order
2. Approval of Minutes
3. Visitor Presentations
a. Athletic Associations
b. Staff
c. Others
4. Report on Past Council Action
a. Hire architect/construction manager for community center
5. Unfinished Business
a. Mooney Lake plat Planning Commission report
b. Comprehensive plan update
c. West Medicine Lake Drive trail update
d. Plymouth Creek parking lot expansion update
e Community center update
f. Kilmer playground update
g. Park tour May 24
6.. New Business
a. Swan Lake plat
b. CIP 1990-94
7. Commission Presentation
8. Staff Communication
9.. Adjournment
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Next Regular PRAC Meeting June 8, 1989
Minutes of the Park and Recreation Advisory Commission Meeting
April 13, 1989
Page 13
Present; Chair Edwards, Commissioners Anderson, Freels, Beach, Rosen, Hanson,
LaTour; staff Blank, Patterson and Pederson; Planning Commissioner
zylla
Absent:
1 CALL TO ORDER
Chair Edwards called the April meeting to order at 7:35 p.m. in the
Council Chambers.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A motion was made by Commissioner Beach and seconded by Commissioner
LaTour to approve the minutes of the March meeting as presented. The
motion carried with all ayes.
3. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS
a. Athletic Associations. None were present at this meeting.
b. Staff_. Mary Patterson stated that the May -June issue of Plymouth on
Parade will be delivered to the post office April 17 and should be in
the homes by the end of that week.
She said that a new summer program called Discovery Lay Camp is being
offered to help fill the need created by District 281's decision to
not have summer school. Fliers advertising this program have gone to
all the schools that Plymouth children attend. The day camp is
organized into weekly sessions with each week having a different
theme. So far, the most popular week is the last one, called Disney
Week, with a trip to Valleyfair.
She stated that all softball leagues were filled with the exception of
one, which has only one spot remaining.
She reminded commissioners of the Ethnic Dance Theatre performance at
Wayzata. High School, Saturday, April 22.
Mary announced that a wedding is scheduled at the Parkers Lake
Pavilion Friday, April. 14.. The couple had their first date in. the
park about a year ago.
c. Others. See item 5a.
4. REPORT ON PAST COUNCIL ACTION
a. The City Council approved a budget for the community center building
and a basic building program. They nlso directed the architect to
include plans for a teen center.
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5 UNFINISHED EUSINESS
a. Mooney Lake Plat Lundgren Bros. Homes. Director Blank began the
discussion on this itembyindicating that the plat proposed by
Lundgren Bros. for the Reiser property has not yet been presented to
the Planning Commission. The purpose of PRAC's review is to address
the issue of whether or not there should be public land included in
this plat.
Mike Pflaum, representing Lundgren Bros., then addressed the
Commission and the audience by stating the reasons Lundgren Bros.
wants the same piece of property for a 'home site that the City wants
for park._ He indicated that the site is a very large, Lakeshore site,
with many trees.; It's private and scenic, and thus, is very valuable
to Lundgren Bros. He further stated that the neighborhoods adjacent
to this property are already well endowed wit.;': parks and that the
City's Comprehensive Plan does not propose a park on this property.
He further indicated that Imperial Hills park, which is nine acresin
size, is only one-half mile away, and their residents will have trail
access to the lake. Also, Green Oaks Park is adjacent to this peat-.
Holy Name Lake on 'County Road 24 has a public canoe access and
parking, and is no farther away from the majority of Greentree West
residents than is Mooney Lake. He argued further that this park would
be pretty isolated and would get little use since it is on the western
boundary of the City and is accessible only by pedestrians. He also
indicated his displeasure with the 38% increase in park dedication
fees, and that it was increased only to fund the purchases which have
been scheduled in accordance with the Comprehensive Plan.
He stated if Lundgren Bros. is allowed to keep this lot for a
homesite, they will construct at their expense a large wooden
observation deck for the residents to use.
Following Mr. Pflaum's presentation, Chair Edwards opened the meeting
for public comment.
Sal Testa, 2305 Walnut Grove "Lane, spoke in support of making the
southeast corner of the development a public park,. He has seen marry
residents walk to the lake to fish using this particular area as the
access.
Dave Volker, 2830 Brockton Lane, has known Mr. Reiser for a number of
years, and Mr. Reiser informally granted access to the lake via his
property for anyone who wanted to use it. Mr. Volker claims that the
overlook proposed by Lundgren Bros. is too far away from the lake to
be enjoyed by the residents. He estimates that the distance is 468'
feet and one would neee, a telescope to see the lake.
Donn Wassink, 2345 Walnut Grove Lane, supporta the recommendation to
make a portion of the Lundgren Bros. plat public land.
Paul Wirtz, 2325 Walnut. Grove Lane,, supports the idea of a public park
area but wants to make sure it's not going to be similar to the park
at Parkers Lake.
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Peggy Cost, 1875 Troy Lane, is concerned that ,the City may not
understand what "kind" of lake Mooney Lake is She stated that it is
very muddy on, the bottom and has lots of snapping turtles that wander
into people's hfiekyards. It isnot a swimming lake. Stye also said
that she didn't want to see big 'boats razing around on it and Wondered
if there was some way to regulate that. Director Blank stated that
there is & five horsepower, motor limitation on this lake, Mrs. Cost
was surprised to hear this, and stated that last summer there were jet
skis being used on the lake. She asked if some sort of notice could
he put in Plymouth on Parade to remind, homeowners that there is a
horsepower limitation in effect., Director Blank suggested that the
homeowner association should co tact all residents on the lake
regarding the horsepower limitation as a first step in enforcing this
policy,
Doris Bullard, 2025 Xanthus L**ne, stated that When they purchased
their home, ,she felt like thfey had moved to paradiae. She described
the area as a bird and wildlife sanctuary, which is very beautiful and
quiet. She supports keeping some of the Reiser property as a public
park rather than letting Lundgren Bros. develop it as a home site.
Doug Miller, 18730 27th Avc lue, also supports public park and thinks -
it would be nice to tie it into the trail system proposed for the east
side of the Lundgren plat,
Following the residents' comments, Chair Edwards asked the
v mmiso overs for their thoughts on thfs issue..
Commissioner Hanson said that she supporte.d.some type. of public access
for those people who wouldnot otherwise have access.. She felt that
the 10% park dedict.ion required of Lundgren should ail be in the form
of land rather than cash
Commissioner Freels supported the idea of bringing, the trail down to
the water's edge and creating some type of public area where people
could sit down on benches, sightsee and fish,
Commissioner Anderson feels that building a home on the southeast
corner of the Lundgren plat would, destroy any natural 'habitat that
exists there, and he feviv. it is important to preserve as much of this
area as possible,
Commissioners Edwards;, LaTour and Rosen also agree that the public has
rights to lake use, and that if Lundgren Bros. wer,1 to build a home on
the southeast corner of the Reiser property, those rights would be
severely limited.
A motion was made by Cotranissioner Hanson and seconded by Consa issioner
Freels to encourage the City Council to require that the lox park
dedication from Lundgren Bros. be in the form of land in order to
provide public access to Mooney Lake for the purpose of canoeing and
k fishing. etc.
4z, A motion to amend the motion was mads by Commissioner Beach to include
that. the City should retain as much natural area as pogsible.
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Commissioner Fr,els then withdrew his second of the motion made by
Commissioner Hanson and amended the main motion to preserve as much of
the southeast corner of the Lundgren plat as possible as authorized by
park dedication. Commissioner Anderson seconded Commissioner Freels'
amendment.
After further discussion, all amendments and the main motion Were
withdrawn
A NOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER HANSON AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
ROSEN TO ACQUIRE A NATURAL PRESERVE AREA IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF
THE REISER PROPERTY ON [GOONEY LAKE,, WHICH WILL GIVE THE PUBLIC LAKE;
RIGHTS WITH THE SAME REGULATIGNS AS THE HOMEOWNERS ON THE LAKE. THE
MOTION CARRIED WITH ALL AYES
A MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER FREELS AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
BEACH THAT THE PRESERVATION OF THIS PARK LAND SHOULD BE MADE WITH AS
MINIMAL DIT STURISANCE AS POSSIBLE TO THE LAKE. THE MOTION CARRIED WITH
ALL AYES
b. C2=rehenaiy2 Plan Update There are only two park issues being
considered in updating the comprehensive plan, therefore, Director
Blank said that the Planning Commission would be the only group
holding public meetings on this issue. He will continue, to meet With
Blair Tremere to provide input on those two issues which includes
keeping the area of County Road 9 and,Vicksburg Lane guided as public,
semi-public; and changing the guiding of Mud Lake from residential to
public, semi-public..
Planning Commissioner Zylla spoke briefly about the numerous meetings
the Planning Commission has held over the: past thrae months regarding
updating the comprehensive plan. tie. indicated that there has been a
lot of "down" guiding. from LA3 to LA2 and LAI. He said that they are
changing some, residential guiding to industrial and vice versa. He
stated they spent a lot of time on; the area west, of Vicksburg. He
bali ves that the last meeting they will have prior to the public.
hearings will be Tuesday, April 18;
c. West lfedicine juke Drive Trail Update, This item has been turned over
to the Engineering Department. Director Blank indicated that there
are seven houses with driveway access to the area that is now proposed,
for trail.. Strgar-Roscoe is still in the process of preparing their
report.
d. Plymouth Creek Parking Lot Uodate., Bids, were opened Tuesday, April
11. Low hid was $67,839. The awarding of the contract is on; the City
Council agenda for Monday, April 1.7, Director Blank is still planning
on the parking lot be -jog tinished by June 1.
e, C,2M=ity Cent 4r Uo ate. Five resolutivjzv'-ore rc .ently passed by the
n Council regarding the community cen..L One of those was for
negotiating a contract with a construe t,iviA ann:zar. A contract, has
not been signed; yet With the architec^ ,--O %. ie City Manager is in the
process of negotiating with them, Iut Rir-,cer of Barker, Rinker and
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Seacat (working with the firm of BWBR), was in; Plymouth last week and
met with a group of senior citizens regarding what they'd,like to have
included in the community center.. The Council has also told the
architect to include plans for a teen center. Erie indicated that he
is in the process of developing an es't;imated operating budget for the
community center. This information will go to. the _Council about May
l5.
f • reported briefly on the recreationMarPyReR2rtonRecreation •• Survey_ Y
survey results., Three hundred seventy-seven questionnaires were sent.
to a random sampling of Plymouth residents. Two hundred thirty-two
were returned for a. 62% return. Of those, 31.% participated in
recreation programs ' in 1988, and 90% of the participants were
satisfied with their experiences. Ninety percent also said they would
recommend our programs to others. One item Bary found somewhat
disturbing is that 24% thought registering for our programs was a
minor or serious probl-tm, but only 37% said they would like to
register by phone and charge the classes to their major credit card.
Not too surprising was the fact that about 32% of the adults
responding said their best time to attend classes was between 6 and 8
P.M. On t'he other hand, it was somewhat surprising to learn that
about, 34Xof the adults, want programming on weekends during the
summer. T'o 'irtost requested indoor facilities are: Wayzata Nigh "
School, Armstrong High School and Parkers hake Pavilion. Outdoor
facilities included Zachary Playfield, Plymouth Creek Playfield and
Plymouth Middle School. Adults requested more programming in the
ureas of fitness and one time special events. Forty-nine percent of
those responding, to the survey have children attending school in the
Wayzata School District.
Mary stated that she would do a written report on these and other
results for distribution at a future meeting.
6. NEW BUSINESS
a New Plats. Director Blank announced that the plat for Swan Lake has
been submitted.; Eric feels that the plat has a substandard park pian,
but PRAC Will be given' an, opportunity to review it before any final
decisions are made.
b. Dalefor-Annual Park Tour, May 1.7 was chosen for the date of the
annual park tour. The bus will leave Plymouth City Center at 5:15
p.m. Invitcation+i will be extended to the Planning Commission and the
City Council.
c. Kilmer Park Playground, Director Blank indicated he. has a budget of
for the improvements at Kilmer Park. Of that, $8,000 will be: 20,000
needed for pea gravel, leaving $12,000 for the new equipment. Half of
those responding to the questionnaire requested leaving the basketball
hoop at eight feet. PRAC recommended raising it to 10 feet, however,
because they feel more, injuries could take place by leaving it at
eight feet. Director Blank stated that he is proposing to talk to
several different playground designers to see what each might offer
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for $12,000, and choosing the one who offers the most for that price.
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A MOTION WAS MADEBY CHAIR EDWARDS AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
ANDERSON DIRECTING. STAFF TO CHOOSE THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR: KILMER
NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, THE MOTION CARRIED WITH ALL AYES.
i. COMMISSION PRESENTATION
None.
8. STAFF COMMUNICATION
Director Blank indicated that he had spoken with Bob Wicklund at Hennepin
Parks regarding the playground surface issue. Mr. Wicklund has been in
touch with the; Consumer Products Safety Bureau, and they indicated that
they have received two studies with different opinions on the use of pea
gravel. The only recommendation they are making at this time is against,
the use of concrete, asphalt or packed soil.. Sometime in 1990, the CPSB
will do their own research on the use of pea. gravel, and Director Blank
indicated he will wait until the results of that report are available
before making any decisions on this issue.
9. ADJOURNMENT
The 'meeting adjourned at 10:40 p.m.
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MEMO
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD,, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447
DATE: May S. 1989
TO: PRAC
FROM: Eric 3. Blank, Director of Parks, and Recreation
SUBJECT:, ATTACHED MINUTES FROM PLANNING COMMISSION
Attached are minutes from the Planning Commission meeting regarding the Mooney
Lake Plat,
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Chairman Plufka stated that a 'change in ownership of the
land could result in a change in the guiding if requested by
the new owner. f.r¢
Commissioner Zylla stated that. the common driveway between4`.`
Lots 7 and 8 was a iimitation.
Commissioner Marofsky stated that this portion of land is
under study and review for reguiding. /
MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by,; Commissioner MOTION TO TABLE
Stulberg to Table the petition until the re ui'ding has been
completed.
Roll Call Vote. 2 Ayes, Commission rs N.ire, Pierce, Zylla - VOTE - MOTION FAILED
and Chairman Plufka Nay. MOTION failed.
MOTION by Commissioner Zylla, econded by Commissioner Wire MOTION TO APPROVE
to recommend approval of he petition sub lct to the
conditions listed.
MOTION by Commissicn, Zylla, seconded by Commissioner Wire MOTION TO AMEND
to amend the Main, tion stating that there will not be a
shared driveway `tween, Lots 7 and 8.
Roll Call Vote. 3 Ayes, Commissioners Pierce, Marofsky and VOTE - MOTION FAILED
Stulberg N' VOTE Failed,
Roll- U. Vote on Main Motion. 4 Ayes, Commissioners VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
Marof`sky and Stulberg Nay. MOTION carried.
Chairman Plufka. introduced the request of Lundgren Brothers LUNDGREN BROTHERS
Construction Con.Spany for a Preliminary Plat and Variances CONSTRUCTION (89005)
for property located at the north end of Mooney take and
west of the end of 25th Avenue North,
Coordinator Dillerud presented the April 17, 1989 Staff
Report.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Peter Pflaum representing the
petitioner.
Mr. Pflaum stated that the extended cul-de-sac was on
Brockton Lane designed so that the Reiser's would have the
area needed to give two lots to their children'.
Mr. Pflaum also stated that the dredging being requested
will be minimal and preserve the wetland area.
Mr. PfIaum stated that the petitioner wanted to build a
residence on Lot 20 as it is the best lot on the property.
He said that the developer should be reimbursedfor the
property if it was regtired for park land.
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representing the petitioner:
Mike Pflaum, related the pe'titioner's desire to. maintain the
wildlife habitat of the area; the dredging plans; and the
plan to make the area more attractive.
Commissioner Marofsky asked who would be responsible for the
maintenance of the drainage pond on Lot 2,
Peter Pflaum responded that the Homeowner's Association
would be responsible:
Commissioner Marofsky asked who is responsible: for
protecting the buffer aroune the lake.,
Peter Pflaum responded that this area is protected by the
Department of Natural Resources.'
Commissioner Marofsky asked if docks would be permitted on
the lake.
Peter Pflaum responded that this would be a decision of the
Homeowner's Association, but that the developer wanted 1
dock for canoes to be owned by the Homeowner's Association.
Chairman Plufka asked wherethe launch point would be.
Mike Pflaum responded that the launch point would be between
Lot 4 and Lot 5.
Chairman Plufka opened the Public Hearing.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Paul Robertson, representing
the Mooney Lakefront Association.
Mr. Robertson statedthat he felt the dissemination of
information prior to the hearing; regarding this petition was
inadequate. He stated that more legal and environmental
information is needed before approval of this petition.
Mr. Robertson used transparencies to aid: hispresentation.
He stated the Association's views on the impact of the
dredging; deed restrictions and who enforces; maintenance of
the holding pond; and, sewage lift station malfunction. He
stated that they would like to see the EAW and DNR
statements, and an independent assessment on the dredging
done before the Commission approved this petition.
Chairman Plufka asked the petitioners to respond to the
concerns of Mr. Robertson and the Mooney Lakefront
Association.
Coordinator Dillerud stated that notices regarding the
petition were done according to law. He said that anyone
wishing to be on a mailing list could leave their name and
address and the Community Development. Department would mail
them any future notices, if required.
Mr. Rick Sather, Sather -Berg quist Engineering, discussed
each of the questions raised by Mr. Robertson relatingt-o
dredging, lake water level, slopes, the lake seal and e
sewage lift station, He also stated that the EAW data is
gathered but it is not required until the Preliminary Plat
is approved;
A recess was called at 9:50 p.m,
The meeting reconvened at 9:57 p.m
Commissioner Marofsky 'asked if the DNR did a review on this
petition.
Coordinator Dillerud responded that the DNRis reviewing
this petition and a permit request to alter Protected
Waters. He stated that the City Council will not act on the
petition until they have the DNR approval.
Rick Sather expanded on the holding pond, stating how the
existing conditions of drainage and debris in the lagoon
will be improved; by the pet,tioner's`nroposals
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Dick Bogen of 2115 Xanthu
Lane.
Mr. Bogen stated his concerns with the dredging; of not
enlarging the lake; the holding pond and,, the boat access:
He said: he did, not want public access to the lake.
Chairman Plufka introduced Ms. Doris Bullard of 2025 Xanthus
Lane.
Ms. Bullard stated her concerns regarding the loss of fish
and wildlife habit that would result in the lake dredging.
She also said that she wants the area of Lot 20 preserved,
as it is needed for the wildlife.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Bill Chesney of 18520 25th i
Avenue North.
Mr. Chesney stated his concern about the increased traffic
that will result on 25th Avenue North. He stated that there
is a playground on the northeast corner, and he would like
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to see traffic slowed with the erection of stop signs,
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Gerald Freeman of 2105
Xanthos Lane.
Mr. Freeman stated his views to the Commission on the need
for more testing on the impact of the proposed development.
He stated that the development will double Vie number of
homes on the lake, and he would like the Commission to take
their time in reviewing the petition, and delay their
approval
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Brian Lokkesmoe of 241.5`
Walnut Grove Lane,
Mr. Lokkesmoe stated his concerns on the dredging, the
driveway proposed for Lot 20; and the drainage of the
Imperial Hills Development. He salad he did not feel the
catch basin proposed' at 25th Avenue North would. be large
enough,
Chairman, Plufka introduced Ms. Marilyn Miller of 2005
Xanthus Lane.
Ms. Miller said she was concerned about the wetlands',
wildlife; and the possibility that the dredging wou d break
the lake seal
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Robert Navara of 2510
Urbandale Lane North.
Mr. Navara stated his concern on the increased traffic on
Urbandale Lane; and the water pressure problems in the area.
Public. Works Director FredMoorestated that the developer's
proposal should improve the water pressurebecause the
loop"` of the water system for the, area would be completed
Chairman Plufka introduced Dr. D. M. Nicoloff of 1492 Hunter,
Drive, Medina.
Dr, Nicoloff stated his concern regarding the holding pond..
He stated that the chemicals used to control it would
collect and would be dangerous to the health of children.
Dr. Nicoloff also stated that he did not think. Lots 4 and 5
were able to meet requirements for lot size, and, because of
the steep incline, should be combined into one lot . Dr.
Nicol.off stated that he was also concerned about who would
police the lake to make sure users were members of the j
Homeowner's Association i
Chairman Plufka. stated that Lot' 4 was 30,000 square feet and
Lot 5 was 20,000 square feet, and exceed requirements.
Chairman Plufka introduced, Mr. Eric Rohde of 2520 -Urbandale
Lane.
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Mr. Rohde expressed his concern over the increased traffic
that will be on 'Urbandale lane, and the. bad water pressure.
He asked vjhether a traffic study had been done'.
Assistant Engineer Sweeney stated that the traffic should
remain constant and wil1 be just the local residents. The
speed limit will be 30 m.p.h.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Keith Seleen of 19025 26th
Avenue North.
Mr. Seleen expressed his concern over the increased traffic
resulting from the construction process, and the impact an
entrance monument would have on his property. He said he
wanted to know the plans for Brockton Lane.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr.. Rick Vanderford of 2615'
Zircon Lane:
Mr. Vanderford stated that he was concerned about the
drainage for the pond and its effect on the Greentree area.
He stated that he thought the pond would raise the water
table,
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Dave Volker of 2830 Brockton
Lane.
Mr. Volker stated that. the Planning Commission should be
mindful of how to govern access to the lake, and he said he
did not think it would be realistic to change the size of
the lake. He stated that an increase in residences would
increase the chemical' content of the lake because; of the:
increased use of lawn chemicals, and this would have an
impact on the lake.
Mr.. Volker said that Lot 20 should be preserved, but should
not be accessible to the public, and that; 'it should be
policed.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Donn Wassink, President of
the Imperial Hills Homeowner's Association, of 2345 Walnut
Grove.
s Mr. Wassink said he supported the idea of keeping Lot 20 as
a preserved area. He said he was concerned that the trail
proposed would impede drainage in his backyard.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Paul Wirtz of 2325 Walnut
Grove Cane,
Mr. Wirtz distributed a letter to the Planning Commission
expressing his concerns over the noise and overflow from the
lift station. He said he preferred that the new development
build their own lift station.
Mr. Wirtz also stated that the , proposed. driveway to Lot 20
would block,drainage from the area.
Chairman Pl0ka. introduced Mr. John. Young of 18540 23rd`
Avenue North;,
g Mr. Young stated his concern with the boat access and:
destruction: of the wildlife. Ne also stated that he did not
feel the Homeowner's Association could be responsible for
policing the lake access.
Chair*an Plufka recognized' Mr. Paul Robertson a second time.
Mr. Robertson stated that the Commission should be mindful
that there had been no one at the Public Hearing who spoke
in favor of the development.
Chairman Plufka directed the petitioners to respond to the
issues of drainage, the holding pond and traffic raised by
the public.
Rick. Sather -explained that the 'lagoon would be excavated to
remain within the size that is currently encompassed by the
Ordinary High Water elevation (988.0).
Mr. Sather stated that access to the lake between Lots 4 and
5 would be only for Association members. He said that the
upland pond would slow the drainage to the lake and that
there was no proposal to chemically treat the water. He
also said that the developers would gradually slope the edge
to the pond, but that 't would be low enough for viewing
from the road.
Mr. Peter Sabee with Barr Engineering, representing the
petitioner, stated that much of the phosphorus which makes
bakes green would settle in the holding pond before the
water. ran into the lake, He said that the lake would fill
with sediment faster without the holding pond.
Mr. Sather stated that the road leading to Lot 20 would need
to be filled and have drainage pipes installed. He said
that the upland pond would improve drainage to the a:orridor
along trail. The lift station would provide more storage
during electrical, outages.
Assistant Engineer Sweeney stated that the overflow from the
lift station only resulted when there was a power failure of
several hours. The air injection system causes the ncise.
Mr. Sather stated that the street design would slow the
traffic. on Urbandale Lane ,and Brockton Lane.
Mr. Sather said that construction vehicles would be parked.
on the development land and not on the road.
Mr, Sather said that it would, be up to the Association and
the neighbors to police the lake area.
Peter Saby explained the value of creating new wetland area
reasulting from the dredging., The water levels and
excavation will keep the area wet and protect the land, the
size of the lake won't change.
Commissioner Marofsky asked how long the excavation would
Last before the lake filled again.
Mr. Sather stated that he had no definite answer on the lake
filling after the excavation and that this would depend on
the wave action and drainage, but that the upland pond'
should slow the process.
Chairman Plufka closed the Public Hearing.
Commissioner Marofsky stated that the home located in Medina
shared the Reiser driveway.
Mr. Sather stated that Lundgren's was working with the
property owner and would build a new driveway,
Conmissioner Pierce asked if the City reviewed the
Homeowner's Association covenants.
Coordinator Dillerud' stated that, this is done at the Final
Plat stage. The document will then be reviewed by the City
Attorney.
MOTION by Commissioner Zylla, seconded by Chairman Plufka to MOTION TO APPROVE
recommend for approval the requested Variance subject to the
following conditions: 1) Dedication of Outlots A, 6, C, E
and Lot 20 2) Forbid any dredging; 3) Make Lot 20 passive
recreation area; and 4) Add conditions to the covenants to
preclude the lake access on lutlot E.
MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Pierce to delete all amendiments/modifications to the staff
recommended resolution. contained in the Main Motion,
Roll Call Vote: 4 Ayes," Commissioners Zylla and Stulberg VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
Nay. MOTION carried.
MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Pierce to remove Condition 8. a. and add' Condition #13 to
read "The Lot width at the setback line for Lot 6, Lot 7,
and Lot 8, Block 4 shall be sufficient to make it 110 feet,
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
MOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner Pierce MOTION TO APPROVE
to have an independent soil boring test done for the lake
bottom seal.
Public Works Director- Moore stated that this would be done
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as part of the. EAW.,
Commissioner Wire withdrew his motion. MOTION WITHDRAWN
MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Pierce to add- Condition #14 stating that there be no
excavation in the lagoon area.
Roll Call Vote. 3 Ayes, Commissioners Pierce, Stulberg and VOTE- MOTION FAILED
Chairman Plufka Nay. MOTION failed.
MOTIONby Commissioner Mar:)fsky, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Pierce to add a Condition stating that the Homeowner's
Association document be submitted along with the Final Prat;
that there will be no private: docks allowed; and there shall`
be no ` individual private party work in the wetland areas.
The protective covenants of the plat: shall give the City the
right of enforcement and maintenance,
Roll Call Vote.' 5 Ayes, Commissioner Wire Nay. MOTION VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
carried.
MOTION by Commissioner Wire to add a Condition stating that MOTION TO APPROVE
if access to the lake from Outlot E becomes a problem, the
City will take stepsa.to assess the. Homeowner'sAssociation.,
MOTION died for lack of a second, MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A
SECOND
MOTION by Commissioner Zylla, seconded: by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Marofsky to add a Condition stating that Lot 20 will be
preserved as a passive area, as recommended by the Director
of Parks and Recreation.
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
K MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commaissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Wire that Lot 20' be added to tot 19 north of the south line
of Lot ` 19.
Roll Call 'Vote. 5 Ayes, Commissioner Stulberg Nay. MOTION VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
carried.
MOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Stulberg that Outlot E be stricken from the plat and that
there will be no lake access from Lots 4 and 5,
Roll Call Vote.; 3 Ayes= Commissioners` Pierce, Zylla and VOTE - MOTION FAILED
Marofsky Nay. MOTION failed.
MOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Marofsky that Lundgren Brothers must provide an auxiliary
generator for the existing sewer lift: station,
Roil Call Vote. I Aye, Commissioners Pierce, Zylla, VOTE MOTION FAILED
Marofsky, Stulberg, and Chairman Plufka Nay. MOTION failed.
MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Wire to add that part of proposed Lot ZO, Block 4 that
extends north to the 24ih Avenue North cul-de-sac to Lot 19.
Roll Call Vote. 5 Ayes, Commissioner Stulberg Nay, MOTION VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
carried. i
MOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Stulberg to eliminate Outlot E from the plat.
Roll Call Vote. 3- Ayes,_ Commissioners Pierce, Zylla and VOTE - MOTION FAILED
Chairman Plufka Nay. MOTION failed.`
Commissioner Wire stated that he was concerned about the
health hazard problem that could be created.
Roil Call Vote on MAINMOTION. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried'. VOTE' ON MAIN' MOTION -
MOTION CARRIED
Chairman Plufka introduced the petition by Jack' JACK SWEDLUND%NORtHFDRK
Swedlund/Northfork for a Preliminary Plan and Rezon .rig (890I6)
located at the northwest quadrant of County Road 9 /and
Vicksburg Lane.
Chairman Plufka waived the reading_ of the Ai)01 17, 1988
Staff Report.
Chairman Plufka opened the Public Hearing.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Rick Sal er representing the
petitioner.
Mr. Sather stated that the YOcommended denial of the
Resolution was because of t access/exit point of the
development. He said th his review of this issue
confirmed his opinion th the access/exit point is the
safest site distance f the intersection. He said it
would be wiser to mov the Church exit because at some time
a center median wo d probably be installed` on Vicksburg
Lane and this woui not allow the Church traffic to exit to
the. south,
Chairman Pluf a introduced Mr: Jim Hart of 4725 Vicksburg
Lane.
Mr. Hart stated that he is in favor of the development. His
only concern was, that his. neighboring property also needs
sewer and water and that he would like the utilities
available to him.
May 11., 1989
COMMUNITY CENTER OPERATING BUDGET/FEES-REVENUES COMPARISON'
ESTIMATED EXPENSES
PERSONAL SERVICES.....,. _. ................ ..................... 4611270
MATERIALS& SUPPLIES ......... ......... 4 ................................... 75,000
0, 650. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES.. ..................... ................. 3_
CAPITALOUTLAY........ ...................................................
S874.42QTOTAL ...,<. ....,...
ESTIMATED REVENUES*
Family Memberships -Res 300 x:$250 - 75,000
Non Res 15 x $375 = 5,625
Individual Memberships -Res. 350 x $110 a 38,500
Non Res 20 x.$165 3,300
Daycare Membership 50 x. $100 5,000
plus daily fee of" 0.75; per child . 3,000
Mon -Fri 9am-4pm only, except holidays)
General, Admission (90,000 visitors @ $2.67 ea) _ 240,300
Adults 18 & over $3.00
Youth ;2-w17 $2.50
Children under 2, free
See attachment on comparable fees)
SUB -TOTAL 370,72.5
Ice Time & Skate Sharpening 210,000
232,000 four other rinks average)
Pool Rental (special times only), 2,500
Swim Lessons 5,000
Great Hall (60 rentals x $400) (Brk Pk.$22,000) 24,000
Racquetball (4 hr x 3 courts _ 12 hr x $5/hr
60/day x 365) 21,900
Brooklyn Park $20,000, 2 courts
Eden Prairie $40,000,, 3 courts
Gym/Track 2,000
Teen Center (10 coin operated games) 15,000
Dance/Aerobics 4,125
50 per visit charge part of class fee
at 50 per day
Food Vending (net revenue) 18,000
Arts 5 Crafts 8,000
50 each visit in class fee (20 students
per day per room)
Multi-purpose (tyro rentals per week @ $25 each)` 2,600
Locker Rental, 150,000 x ..25 37.500 4
TOTAL S726,35
Tax Support Required 4 7 5 <1185.570>
Note: The user or membership fees have NOT been formally established and, are
only preliminary for fiscal forecasting.
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COMPARABLEFEES
YMCA Family 408 reg plus $95 lot year
Family 720 health center plus $125 1st yr
YMCA. Individual 288 reg plus $95 first year
Individual. 420 health center plus: $125 lot yr
BROOKLYN CENTER Family 2.28.00
Individual 127.00
General Admission Adult 2.50
Youth 15-17 2.00
Children 1.75
EDINBOROUCH PARK EDINA)
Family 150.00'
r, Individual 112.00
Non -Edina Family 200.00
Individual 1.50.00
i. Daily Rate 2.50
BUNKER HILLS WAVE POOL
Daily 18 6 over 4.00
17 6 under 3.00'
EDEN PRAIRIE
Family 150.00
Individual 80.,00
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ESTIMATED PROPERTY TAX SUPPORT
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Tax
Support Annual Tax Support by Home Value (51,000's)-
80 90 100 120 140 160 180 200
1001,000 2.24 S 2.66 $ 3.08 S 3.92 S 4.76 S 5.60 S 6.44 S 7.27
1489000 3.32 S 3.94 S 4.56 S 5.80 7.04 S 8.29 S 9.53 S10.76
185,000 4.14 S 4.92 $ 5.70 $ 7.25 8.81 910.36 S11.91 913.45
MEMO
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3410 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447
DATE: May 6 1989
TO: PRAC, City Council, Planning Commission, and Staff
FROM., Eric J. Blank, Director of Parks and Recreation
SUBJECT; PARK TORR MAY 24
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The Park and Recreation Advisory Commission annual park tour is scheduled for
Wednesday, May 24. The bus will leave City Hall at 5:15 p.m. You are all
cordially invited to attend. Please RSVP with Nancy, the Park and Recreation
Secretary, at 559-2800 x 266, no later than 4:30 p.m., May 22.
55447
DATE: May 8, 1989
TO FRAC
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FROMs Eric J. Blank, Director of Parks and Recreation F)
SUBJECT: SWAN LAKE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK
Background Information
Craig Sherber has submitted a plat entitled Swan Lake West. Within this plat
area is property that shows on our comprehensive park plan as a neighborhood
park site. After a number of meetings with Mr. Sherber and his architect, Tom
Louka and Associates, I have not been able to reach an agreement with the
developer, which in my opinion, adequately addresses the neighborhood park
needs at this location. Mr. Sherber wishes to proceed with his plat moving
forward for City Council review. Because of this impasse, this item is being
brought before PRAC for your review and comment, before it, goes to the City
Council.
Mr. Sherber and I have reached an impasse on this matter, because we view the
problem, from two different perspectives. I believe that the plan should,
first and foremost, lay out a well designed and adequately sized park. if
that park size should exceed the 10% that is required by our ordinance for
dedication, then the City must be in a position to reimburse the developer for
the extra land cost. Mr. Sherber would, like to keep the park dedication to
the 10% allowed in the ordinance.
Issues
The one primary issue before the Commission is the matter of park layout and
size. The comprehensive park map clearly shows a large neighborhood park
totally surrounding Swan Lake. Our neighborhood park standards state that a
neighborhood, park shall be between five and 21 acres in size. Adjacent land
use shouldbe. residential or school, but with no more than two sides being
residential. This park standard also goes on to say that the park should be
totally exposed with views into the park from all directions. When I review
this plat, I. do not believe that the proposed park adequately meets the
standards as called for -in the comprehensive plan. On the attached graphic, I
have shown in, green the existing park land that was dedicated from the Swan
Lake Addition. This area consists of 3.18 acres of land and 1.54 acres of
pond. The area in yellow as proposed in the new Swan Lake West Addition
consists of 3.43 acres of ground. The area in orange consists of .78 acres.
My concern. is that currently we have existing residential homes north and east
of this park. As proposed by the Swan Lake development, the end result is
virtually a neighborhood park totally surrounded by homes. I'm especially
concerned that lots 1-10 surrounding the lake would create a very undesirable
situation between single family homes and a park use. Most likely these will
be very Large, very expensive single family homes, which will end up with a
public walking trail going through their back yards.. I think this will make
both the park users and the 'home owners uneasy. Additionally, because of a
lack of public access, the park will feel like a private park owned by a home
owners association.
On, the second graphic colored in yellow the developer has proposed that the
City build the necessary cul-de-sac on the dead end of Quinwood Lane, inside
the proposed park area. Road right-of-way should not be part of park.
dedication land.
Recommendation
I believe the City Council should deny this plat and send it back to the
developer for further redesign, with specific instructions to; 1) allow for
more public Land to front on a street, and 2) work toward eliminating the
overcrowding of residential homes and the trail area going around the lake.
If the Council does not wish to send back for redesign, I recommend that lots
1, 9 and 10, surrounding the lake, be incorporated into park property, and
that the trail corridor around the west side of the lake be a minimum of 100
feet in width above the high water mark; and the developer be required to
build the Quinwood Lane cul-de-sac on property not dedicated for park.
The Commission's options are
approve plan as submitted
approve plan with amendments
deny plan; ask for redesign.
I believe that if we do not adequately address the issue of size and shape of
the park land, we will have a very difficult t i developing a master ;plan for
the park that will be a high quality proc I strongly encourage the
commissioners to visit, and walk this site prior to the Comission meeting. I
would be happy to make myself, available to visit the site with you if you so
desire,
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Mr. Charles Dillerud
Community Development Coordinator
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, MN 55447
Mr. Dillerud:'
The purpose of this letter is to address those issues raised by your
correspondence dated April 24 1989.
1. As of the DRC meeting on Tuesday, April 18, 1989, only the Land
Use Guide Plan Amendment and Rezoning had been accepted for -pro-
cessing. The,PreliminaryPlat had not as yet been accepted, pend-
ing receipt from you of an extension to the 120 -day statutory re-
view period.
On April 19, 1989, the necessary reviews had been completed regard-
ing the extension memorandum that you had submitted, and the 'Pre-
liminary Plat was accepted for processing., No comments were made'
by staff at the April 18 meeting 0,th respect to the Prel imi"nary
Plat, but some comments.have come forth subsequently, which are
included in this letter.
As you are aware, Mr. Scherber provided you with a 120 day waiver
on April 17 1989. You have verbally indicated to me and sub-
sequently indicated in your correspondence of April '24, 1989 that
the Preliminary Plat proposal is, being processed by the City,
2. The Director of Park and Recreation has indicated that the proposed
Swan Lake West plat does, not adequately address the concerns. of
the current Park Pian. Specifically, the Director has indicated
his concerns with respect to the cul-de-sac on Quinwood Lane ex-
tending into the park from the north; the width of the proposed
trail entrance into the park from 44th Avenue cul-de-sac; length
of the frontage on a public road for this, park in total; and the
narrow band of trail that would result around the lake, thereby
bringing large single-family homes into close proximity to a pub -
Tic use. The Director has indicated a willingness to meet with you
and your designer, or bring the matter to the Park and Recreation
Advisory Commission at their May 11 meeting.
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Community Planning • Site Design + Economic Development • Market Research
Charles Dilleruci'
Page 2
May 1, 1989
Most of these matters have been previously addressed by us in
Memorandums dated April 5 and 20, 1989, However, it appears
necessary to revisit these issues to provide additional points
of clarification.
A. A cul-de-sac has been designated for construction at-
tfie southerly of Qtend uinwood Lane note Plan sheetherl
9/11). It is specifically noted on the plan that it
is to be "constructed by others"- because it serves
the future City Park and not the Swan Lake West
Development.
The cul-de-sac has not been designated on the Prelim
inary Plat because the land i.s'going to be conveyed
to the City for public purposes as part.of the park-
land dedication requirement,
B. The width of the trail corridor from the 44th Avenue
cul-de-sac is 30 -feet. It is anticipated that an
8 foot trail will be constructedwithin this corridor.
C. The Swan Lake West proposal provides for 210 feet of
park frontage on a public street., The proposed front
age may not meet the desired 50% ratio, but it is cer-
tainly much greater than the 99 feet provided the single
family development.to the east and 50' by the townhDuse
development to the north.
Lt is unreasonable to impose this policy on the Swan
Lake gest development i.n view of the fact that it was
not previously required.of other developments surround-
ing the park.
C. Acquisition of Outlet A by the City will provide a trail
corridor with high. ground that ranges i.n width. 651• to 90`'.
It is obvious. that there Is, suffic*kent space to build an
8' trail within the framework.,of this corridor.
3. Please provide calculations with respect to the density of the
proposed development after public roads and required 'park land
have been subtracted.
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PARKS 1989-94CNP TAL DFRUVE HENM PROGRAM
91989 Plymouth Creek park tennis courts (4) 210,000
1990 Swan Lake neighborhood park acquisitior0evelopnent 200,000`
Hasa Lake playfield/neighborhood park
218) $425,000
219) 75,000 500,000
Ridgem oL nt playf ield 75e,000
Playfield land acquisition-contractfor deed
Trail - 46th Avenue fram Zachary to Nathan Lane 35,000
Trail - West Medicine Lake £ram 16th Ave to RR 115,000
1991, Northeast neighborhood park acquisitiWdevelopnent 135,000
Playfield land acquisition - contract for deed
Parkers Lake playfield 450,000
Shiloh neighborhood park playground 40,000
Trail 50,000
1992 Vicksburg & 22nd Avenue neighborhood park 90,000
county Road 9 & Fernbrook neighborhood park. 130,000
Playfield land acquisition -contract for deed
Phase II playfield 350,000
Wrest Medicine: Lake park phase 1
T--'-,*er Shores parking lot 15,000
Trail - Zachary Lane frau 01.d 9 to Co. Rd. 10
10,500 ft X,$10 105,000
1993 Mad Lake neighborhood park 1:30,000
Playfield land acquisition
Phase II plryfield 400,000
West Medicill r e Lake park phase II
Gleanloch playground replacement 35,000
Trail 50,000
1994 Co Rd 101,& 24 neighborhood park 140,000
P!,-r.eld/neighborhood park land acquisition
Parkers Lake group picnic grwxIs 150,000
Trail 50,000
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MEMO
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447
DATE: April 18, 1489
TO: PRAc
FROM. Eric J Blank, Director of Parks and Recreation
SUBJECT: ACQUISITION OF SUPERINTENDENT'S HOME AT THE HENNEPIN ADULT
CORRECTIONS FACILITY
For your information, the attached memo dated April 11 Was submitted from the
City Manager to the Mayor and Council at their meeting of April 17. The City
Council approved a resolution authorizing the Mayor and.. City Manager to
purchase this property comprised of 1.7 acres at a price of $100,000.
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Attachment
P.S After reaching all of you except Commissioner Hanson, we will go ahead
with the park tour on May 24 instead of the 17th. The bus will leave
the City Center at 5:15 p.m.
CITY OF PLYMOUTH 10010
3400 PLYMOUTH BLVD., PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 45447
TELEPHONE (612) 559-2600
MEMO
DATE: April 11, 1989 for Council Meeting of April 17, 1989
TO;Mayor & City Council
FROM; Daws G. Willis, City Manage
SUBJECT ACQUISITION OF SUPERINTENDENT'S HOME AT THE HENNEPIN ADULT CORRECTIONS
FACILITY
I. SUMMARY The Hennepin County Board has indicated its willingness to
sell to the City the superintendent's residence, at the Adult
Corrections Facility, comprising 1.73 acres, for S130,000. - I recommend
the Council accept this offer and authorize the City Attorney and City
Manager to constomate the purchase on behalf of the City by adoption of
the attached resolution.
2. BACKGROUND: As previously reported to the Council. (see attached memo),
the Property Management Division. of the County informed us of their
intent to sell to former superintendent's residence. The County had
the property appraised in October 1986 and updated the appraisal in May
1988. Based upon the County's appraisal the fair market value for the
property Including the residence was $170,000. Following the February
6 Council meeting I had an independent appraisal done for the land
only. That appraisal indicated a -value of $84,000.
The County Board has indicated its willingness to sell the property to
the City for $100,000.As noted in my previous memo to the Council on
this subject, I believe the value in acquiring the property lies in the
land and not in the former residence. The residence will promptly be
scheduled for demolition as soon as we have acquired it. We are
currently seeking proposals for the demolition, including capping of
any wells. 3oe Ryan has previously inspected the building and
concluded that the cost to make the building suitable for public use
would be prohibitive.
3. RECON ENMY10q: I recommend that the Council adopt the bttached
resolution which will authorize the acquisition of the property for
100,000 using the Park, Dedication Fund.
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CITY OF PLYMOUTH
Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, a meeting of the City Council of
the City of Plymouth, Minnesota, was held on the day of , 19—.
The following members were present:
1herollowing meibers were absent:
introduced the following Resolution and moved its
adoption;
RESOLUTION NO. 89
AUTHORIZING THE ACQUISITION OF SUPERINTENDENT'S HOME
AT THE HENNEPIN COUNTY ADULT CORRECTIONS FACILITY
WHEREAS, the City Manager in his memo dated April 7, 1989 has recommended that the City
acquire the superintendent's residence at the Hennepin County Adult Corrections
Facility (PIN-28-118-22-33-0001); and
WHEREAS, the Hennepin County Board, of Commissioners has offered the property to the
City for S100,000; and
WHEREAS, the City Council desires to acquire said property for inclusion into the
City's Parkers. Lake Park.
NOW, THEREFORE; BE IT HEREBY RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PLYMOUTH;
MINNESOTA, that the City Manager and City Attorney are authorized to acquire on behalf
of the City the superintendent's residence at the Adult Corrections Facility for
100,000.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the funds necessary for this acquisition are appropriated
from the Park Dedication Fund (Fund 218).
The motion for adoption of the foregoing Resolution was duly seconded by
and.. upon ..vote being. takeniereon, the
o _owng vote. n avor t erto z,
The following vote aga nst or absta ned:
Whereupon the Resolution was declared duly passed and adopted.
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CITY QF PLYMOUTH 8
3400 PLYMOUTH BLVD`.; PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA '5544.7
TELEPHONE (612) 555-2800
MEMO
DATE: February, 2, 1989 for Council Meeting of February 6
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Mayor & City Council
FROM:
James G. Willis, CityManager _i
SUBJECT ACQUISITION OF HENNEPIN COUNTY WORKHOUSE SUPERINTENDENT'S HOME
1. SUMMARY: Hennepin. County is preparing to sell the former
superintendent's home on the Workhouse site. The sales price, which
has been established following a private appraisal, 13.$170,000. 1
recommend that the Council authorize the purchase of the property in
order that it may be incorporated into the Parkers Lake Park.
2. BACKGROUND: The Property Management. Division >of' Hennepin County has
Informed. us of their intent to sell the former superintendent's
residence at the Workhouse. The 1.73 acre property is located on the
north side of County Road 6, immediately adjacent to the Parkers Lake
North Addition of Mr. Laukka•and the City's future Parkers Lake
Community Playfield complex.
The County had the property appralsed in October 1986 and updated that
appraisal in May 1988. Based upon the latter appraisal, the County has
set the fair market value of the property of S170,000. A copy of the
appraisal is attached. I' asked the City Assessor to review the
appraisal and give me his views with respect to the reasonablen-ss of
Its conclusion. He believes the appraisal conclusion does represent a
fair market value of the,property.
I asked Joe Ryan, our Building Official, to tour the home to determine
whether or not it would be adequate for any public purpose. He has
concluded that substantial work would be required to make the building
suitable for public assembly and that, in his view, such costs would be
prohibitive. His memo is attached. Fred Moore, Eric Blank, Mary
Patterson, and I have also toured the residence and collectively agree
that the structure would not meet any City need.
The value to the community,, Iii my opinion, lies in the land and not in
the structure. The property has a good elevation and a lovely view
overlooking Parkers Lake. It would be a beautiful compliment to the
future development of our park system since it abuts land which we
currently own. Civro its elevation, landscaping, and location relative
to the Parkers Lake Park parking, lot, I believe it would be an ideal:
ACQUISITION OF'HENMEPTN COUNTY WORKHOUSE SUPERINTENDENT'S NOME
February ;2, 1989 for Council Meeting of February F
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site for picnicing and general passive recreation without expensive
improvements. Acquisition of the site would, note create substantial
additional maintenance burden. It would not, in my view, be: useful for
active recreational, activities without substantial grading which would
destroy -its natural; beauty.
Councilmembers may wish to visit the, site.. If you are interested in
touring the residence I can make those arrangements.
3. RECOMMENDATION: I recoavmend that the City authorize the staff to
negotiate with Hennepin County to acquire the property for 5170,000,
the funds coming from the Community Parks Account of the Park
Dedication Fund.
3w:kec
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MEMO
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447
DATE: January 18, 1989
TO: James G. Willis, City Manager
FROM: Joe Ryan,, Building Official
SUBJECT: HENNEPIN COUNTY WORKHOUSE - SUPERINTENDENT'S HOME'
Per your request, a building inspection was performed at the above referenced
property on January 5, 1989 by Building Inspector Kevin Mealhouse.
The purpose of the inspection was to identify any code deficiencies found
within the existing 'structure, taking in to consideration the proposed use to
be for assembly purposes.
EXTERIOR CONDITIONS
1 No handicap Accessibility.
INTERIOR CONDITIONS - (BASEMENT)
I Presently the hove is hooked up to municipal water, but is not
connected to the municipal sanitary sewer system..
Ze Improper headroom clearance.
3. No verification could be determined as to the size and spacing of the
floor joists system as the entire basement ceiling was finished.
4. One half bathroom maintained, in an unsanitary condition.
The as fired bowler system appeared, to be sooting u andS. Th_ 9 Y 9 P may beYPP
introducing products of combustion into the remainder of the building.
6. Both stairways from the basement area to the first floor level are of
inadequate construction, and do not meet code.
INTERIOR CONDITIONS(FIRST FLOOR.LEVEL)
1. No bathroom facility provided.
2. Masonry fireplace construction not to code.
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3. All plumbing and electrical systems must be brought. up to code.
4. Both stairways from first floor level to second floor level must be
reconstructed to meet minimum code requirements.
5. Corridor serving second exit on rear side of building of insufficient
width.
6. No required fire separation between the house and garage.
INTERIOR CONDITIONS (SECOND FLOOR LEVEL)
1. An additional exit directly to the outside must be provided'. Depending
upon the: occupant load, two exits may be required.
2._ Full bath roar not handicap accessible or equipped with facilities for
use by the handicapped.
1`n summary, it is our opinion that if the present structure were to be
remodeled and converted for use as an assembly building_, the amount to
renovate the structure would be cost, prohibitive.
Please see me shouldyeu have any further questions.
1
MEMO
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3600 PLYMOtTI'8 Omvap,, PLYMOtTlii, 'NIME30TA 55447
OAT, 5: May 1, 1969
TO: uric flank, Director of Parks and Recreation.
FROW Mary Patterson, Superintendent of Recreation
StaSJEi T: PARM3 LAKE PAVILION USAGE
Parkors Lake Pavilion opened for public use the last weak of September in
1986. In the period of time between opening and the end. of March, 1989 (six
months), the building was used al proximtely 5,820 time for a total of 7,849
participant hours. Please note that the 1,619 warming house users were not
converted into participant hours, since their length of stay is unknown.
During the first six months of use, two major spacial events were hold: the
Plymouth Volksmarch: on October 1, 1988, and the Fire and Ice Festival hold
February 11, 1989.
In addition, the building has been used for ongoing programs., school releasee
day programs, a back-up facility when programs have been cancelled out of
their regular school locations, a warming house and a rental facility.
In the first six months of use, there were three building rentals, all by, non-
profit ccssranity organizations.
Classes and rental, groups have all boon very pleased with the facility. As
you know, we are in the process of acquiring a few new pieces of equipment
that will woke use of the building even more enjoyable.:
Perhaps the biggest test of the building to date will be the up to 11 hour
day seven day a weak operation starting with the opening of beaches in June.
Attached are copies of pavilion schedules for the months of October -March,
with participation and participant hour figures included,.
MP/np
Attochments
PARPMRS LAKE PAVILION CALENDAR
OCTOBER
r THURSDAY FRIDAY SAT"RnAY
C'4 Cit'
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VOUKSMARCH
3 4 5 6 6
6:30-11 SNAU j 10-x:1 moms, 10-11 MOMS, 9-11.30 1EE>!R
1A1E3 i 'TOTS MO BABES i 'TOT MO T9lNBLER3/PLAY-
TIM D13COVKRY
5-5:50 LI 11-2 music WR
5-5:50 Li
10 11 12 13 14 15
8: 30-11 3PW-L i o,-11 Mo 10-11 man, 9-11:30 'TERM
cRAlm SAWS i TOTS VO BABES 4 TOTS Wo TUMB SRS/PIAT--
TIM 013COVUY'
11-2 MUSIC lOt
5-5:50 LI 5-5:50 Li
16, 17 e 19 20 21 22
S : 30-11 SNAU 10-11 mams , 10-11 Hams 9-11:30 im,1
CHOCK BABES & 'TOTS VO BABES & TOTS VO TpMLER3JtLAY-
TIM6 DISCOVERY
11-2 MUSIC HOUR
3-5:50 LI 5-5:50 LI
6: 2Q=7 FIFT
23 24 25 26 27 26 29
6: 30-11 3N&U 10-11 woms, 10-11 moms, 9-11:.30 TIMI S
CNANK BJ11E3 i 'TOTS VO BASES 6 TOTS VO TUMBLERS/PLAT-
TIlM,013COVZRY
11-2 MUSIC HOUR
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Revised I2-1-88 PARIMRS LAKE PAVILION CALENDAR
OOVEMBER
TUESDAY wwnuwcnAY TNt DAY FRIDAY SATURDAY
S MDAY IIQIDAT
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TT/PD
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473-7028
30 21 22 23 24 25 26
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19 20 21 22 23 24 25
MSIDRMt'S DAY 10-11 MOMS MO 10-11 !IONS WN. 9:15-2 TT, PD 9-4 STAIM
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April ;26, 1989
Dear M.R.P.A. Colleague:
Z would like invite you and.your Commission/Board
members to attend a special event to be held Saturday May
20,, 1989. The Minnesota Recreation a Park Association will
locally sponsor the National Recreation and Park
Association's Teleconference on "Re-inventing The Hoard:
Strategic Leadership for public and Son-profit Governanaep,
at North Hennepin Community College from 12 Noon to 3ps. The
3 hour national video teleconference presented by Dr. John
Carver will provide the opportunity to analyze and evaluate
organizational stands on issues and plan for the future.
The enclosed flyer outlines the teleconference topics.
Dr. John Carver is a renowned writer and consultant for
nonprofit and public boards. He has worked in over 40
states and parts of Canada using his models for stratet-
leadership as a basis for governance.
Registrations are being accepted through the IWA
Office. The registration fee is $12 per person. Please
register by May 12, 1989.
Please call the MRPA Office at 544-1592 or Gene Hackett
at 537-E421 (Crystal Parks i Recreation) if you have any
questions ryi the Teleconference.
Hope '.o see you thereIIII
Sincerely,
Liz Reid,
MRPA Board Commission Sectior_
Chairperson
MWesOa Recx NW ParkA=dabm-1111 Douglas Dr n N. •GoWm baNey, MN 55422
Pfwr+*• 812/544-1592 _ ; 804 02-36N
tinnasota Recreation i Park kasociatlon
1111 Douglas Drive Horth Mpls MN 55422,
544-.1502/1-800-662-3659
National Recreation 4 Park Association Ctti:en-Board Member
Branca, and the ftiversity of Georgia Ce%ter for Continuing
Educa_ on Pmsent; RE-INYENTIK THE BOARD:
STRATEGIC LEADENSHIF FOR PUBLIC
AND NON-PROFIT GOVERNANCE
A 'NATIONAL VIDEO TEl'+Lh`'` WnRzXCa
my Mat 20, 3.969
1290= :M
somm jp= Comm== LOLL s
7411 65th Avenue North Brooklyn Park
73st $12.00 per, person includes retreshuonts
R201STRaTSON: Use .lora below, include fee or PO number,
Nail to MRPA, 1111 Douglas. Drive N, Mpls MM 55422. Register
In advance by May 12, loss.
I II Z Y 9,! ILL Boards seldom assume strategic: Leadership
and ars usually reactive not proactive. In this
teleconference participants will develop comprehensive:
understanding of;
The difference between the Boa3d•s job and the
Executive's job.
Rults by which they can avoid getting trapped in
trivial and immediate pr -assures.
Mays to responsibly and safely withdraw from
administrative maC,ters:
PrAnciples to design and evaluate the chief executive
job b. -.xecutive strength, as wall as Board control,
are preserved.
A succinct smA efficiant approach to uncomplicated
Ilicy making.
nnference is split into 2 seventy-five minute segments.
ato'.Io audience will be at the origination sits and
interaction comments and questions from the
t"-, -.Ant sites will be veldred.
The presenter is JOM CARVUBt, a writer and consultant for
nonprofit; and public boards and chief executives for 20
years. No has worked with boards in over 40 states and
Canada. His model for governance is wised as a
breakthrough for strategic leadership by governing Boards.
Mr. Carver holds BS, MEd, and PhD degrees in business,
economics, education and psychology.
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