HomeMy WebLinkAboutPark and Recreation Advisory Commission Packet 03-10-1988Regular Meeting of the Park and Recreation Advisory Commission
March 10, 1988, 1:30 p.m.
AGENDA
1. Call to Order
2.1
Approval of Minutes
3, Visitor- Presenations
a. Athletic Associations.
b. Staff.
c Others:
4 Report on Past Council Action
a. Parkers Lake Pavilion - Award of Bid
b. Annual Report
c St Marx's Master Plan
5. Unfinished Business
a. Park Us=age/Cost, Stuoy Report. Discussion
b. Parkers Lake Update
C. Plymouth Creek Site Planning Update George Watson
d. St. Mary's Neighborhood Park Update
e.
fi.
6. Now Business
a. Now Plats - Review Neighborhood Park. County Road 9 & 494
b. Report on Plymouth Creek Park Soccer Field
ci Joint Meeting with Council April 4
d,
e
7. Commission Presentation
R. Staff Co"unication
9. Adjournment
Next Meeting - April 14
Minutes of the Park and Recreation Advisory Commission. Meeting
February 11, 1988
Page 6
Present: Chair Edwards, Commissioners Hanson, Reed, Rosen, Latour, Beach
and Anderson; Councilman Ricker; Planning Commissioner Tierney;
staff Blank, Busch, Patterson and Pederson
I. CALL M OR]"
Chair Edwards called the February meetirg to order at 7:05 p.m. in the
Council Conference Room.
2, APPROVAL OF, MINUTES
A motion was made by Commissioner Reed and seconded by Commissioner
Roam: to approve the; minutes of the: January meeting as presented. The
motion carried with all ayes.
3. VISITOR PRESENIATIONS
a. Athletic Associations-, Their presentations; are covered under
Item 5-a.
b. Staff, Mary Patterson briefly discussed the hand-out she had
prepared for PRAC on a decade of recreation statistic that she
had mentioned at the January meeting. She also atethat
the Winter Iceman Triathlon is set for Sunday:, February 14,
beginning at 10 a.m. at French Park. She stated that the
recreation department is sponsoring ; another skiing trip to Afton
Alps on Monday, February 15 and that two full xaees would be
going.; She indicated that the Orlando, Florida, Twins Trip is
taking 23 area residents during Spring Break Week, March 26-April
2.
c.. (lone.
4. REPCRr ON PAST CODICIL ACTION
a. Final . enmt -, Fakers Lake Seed- and'_ Scud. The City Council
approved this final payment at their meeting on February 8.
b. Selwted West Site :for Oomninity Center in Ply=th Creek Park.
Council approved .the selection of a westerly site for the
proposed cmumity center. Mayor Schneider recommended that FRAC
look into pursuing the purchase of the 15-acre site as the
possible .location.
c. aMoved the 1988 Fee Schedule/Rental Policies,
5. UNFINISHED BUSniMS
a. Park UwKielcost Study Fenort DiMZ&21 n.. Several athletic
association representatives were present to be a part of the
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February PRAC Minutes,
Page 7
discussion on this item. Director Blank began by reviewing the
document he, had prepared for the City Manager and briefly outlining
the philosophies of the Task. Force on Park and Recreation Program
Financing. He also reviewed the park maintenance operating costs in
the areas of neighborhood parks as well, as playfields. He further
stated that the City Cotmil has asked. the Park Commission, as well
as the Park and Recreation Department, to consider ways to relieve
the escalating costs of park maintenance mWor to raise additional
reverxxs. Director Blank than vmiated that, he believes there are
three possible ways to do this:
1) Cut back some maintenance -(i.e., mowing, trimming, etc.)
2) Solicit, volunteer help firm the :4ssociations (i.e., lining
certain areas of the fields, opening and closing the
shelter building, supervising the field use)
3) Surcharging direct users.
Another option for the City to oormi-`ier is to continuetooperate as
we aiways have witnout any changes, although this does not solve the
problem of rising costs.
Don Vessey, representing the New Hope -Plymouth Athletic Association
baseball),, indicated that their organization is losing the use of
some fields in order to acoamadate Plymouth's adult softball teems.
He's concerned that this is going to continue to happen and
certainly doesn't feel right about paying user fees if that is the
case. He did agree that some maintenance could be cut, but; only in
areas euah as mowing and trimming in locations other than the actual
playing fields. All in all, he's been very pleased with the
maintenance of fields and would like to see things continue as they
have; in the: past.
Ron, Wilmot, representing the Wbyzata Plymouth. Soccer Club, has been
very pleased with the facilities they've, used and wonders just now
much, the maintenance costs could be cut if they did some volunteer
maintenance for us. Director Blank responded that if all
organizations volunteered`, an across-the-board savings, of '$8,000-'
10,000: might be possible.
Gail Dieleman, President of the New Hope Plymouth Athletic
Association, stated that he has also been very pleased with the
maintenance of fields. He is reluctant to pay user fees, because
they try to keep their costs as low as possible. Presently, the
City of New Hope pays for the cost of referees for the children
livOg in New Hope that participate in youth sports. Plymouth kids
re charged an additional $11-$12 for referee fees, since the City
of Plymouth does not subsidize in any way the Athletic Association.
Plymouth does, however, provide fields for these sports. Chair
Edwards asked if participation would drop if the City began charging
a $5 user fee per child? Mr. Dielaman responded that it might drop
slightly for the New Hope children.
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Greg Baufield, representing Wayzata -Minnetonka YouthFootball,
stated that he has lived in Plymouth for many years. He, served in
an advisory capacity on the Park and Recreation Commission when he
was a high school student at Wayzata Senior High during the years
that. Al, Hilde was Fayor of Plymouth. He indicated that he wcrked
very hard on getting the bond passed in 1980 to build our
playfields, and he finds it rather ironic now that the City is
considering charging user fees to youth groups. He said that their
association tries to keep costs down an much as possible inspite. of
the fact that football equipment is sane of the most costly athletic
equipment -there is. They ooWletely outfit the participant with all
the getir they need to play football. He indicated that today a
helmet costs $120, and five years ago, it only cost $30. A child
can participate in football with their organization for $35. For
those children that cannot afford this fee, they do provide some
scholarships. He agreed with other representatives that Plymouth
has the nicest facilities of, any they've used. He was against
charging user fees and cutting back maintenance, but did say they
might be able to volunteer sane. help in certain areas of
maintenance. Rick Busch asked Mr. Baufield if their group is
charged user fees by any other city, and Mr. Baufield raid no.
Janet Bogen, representing the Wsyzata-Plymouth Soccer Club, stated
that user fees would really hurt their association. She indicated
that when they first formed, they did, their own mowing and lining of
soccer fields, but that eventually tbe school district took over
those responsibilities. So far, they have not been charged for this
service, but she eqxcts they will, be billed at some point in, the
future for this. She felt that maintenance costs could be cut by
not building any more neighborhood parks. She feels the City has
enough parks now to meet the needs of all residents.
Carol Beach, representing the Plymouth Athletic ABsociation
soccer), indicated that the younger age groups that join their
organization will be playing soccer on fields at Wayzata West Junior
High,, and she doesn't feel it would be fair to charge user fees to
Plymouth kids if they don't use Plymouth fields. Their organization
is new this year, and kids will be, charged $25 to play soccer this
summer. If this fee proves to be more than they reed to cover their
costs, it will be reduced in the future to $20 or $22-50.
Don Veswy asked if maintenance costs could be reduced by charging
adult users more fees. Rick Busch responded that adult softball
team will be charged $365 this year to play in Plymouth. He feels
that they already pay enough for the one hour a, week. they use the
fields. He further stated that they cause minimal wear and tear on
the fields as compared to soccer and football..
Bob. Losinger, representing Plymouth -Wayzata Youth Baseball, wanted
to know what, percentage of the City's budget is appropriated for
park and recreation maintenance. Director Blank said that for every
100 a Plymouth resident pays in property taxes, $14.69 goes to the
City of Plymouthand of that amount, $12 goes for general fund
purposes and park and recreation activities. Of that $12, $2.73
February PRAC Minutes
goes .into the irk and recreation budget, with a; $1.54 to park
mainterancei whist is 55% of the park and recreation budget, and:
12.55% of the. overall City budget. He further stated that park
maintenance receives no revenues.
Director Blank; staUA that he had received a phone call that day
frau. an Edina Park commissionermissioner who had a number of questions, on our
policies, fees, etc.,, and one, of the questions dealt with user fees.
They're doing a survey of ot wr communities in the metropolitan
area., Ttay have found that Edina residents have two major concerns
about, user fees: they want assurance that the exo es revenue
produced by user fees will go bads into the maintenance budget and
not into the general fund, and families with three and four children.
are concerned about Dow much extra they'd have to pay.
After hearing f rei=n all: the athletic associations, Chair- Edwards
summarized their thoughts, They made it clear that they do not want
surcharges, they don't went maintenance cut back, and they feel they
could offer- a little volunteer help.
Greg Baufield asked what the next step in this process would be
Chair We ards said that PRAC would be discussing their concerns and
ideas in order to cane up with some recommendations for the City
Council. She urged the athletic associations to continue to give
staff their suggestions.
Gail Dieleman requested that PRAC give the athletic associations at
least six months to prepare for any user fees being implemented if
Council decides to choose that cpt on. Staff responded that they
would keep the athletic associations informed of all, meetings and.
progress on this subject.
Commissioner Rosen asked staff to prepare a report on how much money
would be generated if all participants in the youth athletic
associations were charged $5 each. This information will be
available for FRAC by their March meeting.
b. Parkers Iakete, Director Blank announced that all final.
payments have been suede on the: Parkers Lake City Park project. He
stated that so far, 17 'companies have pickedup specs on the
construction of the pavilion, and that this project. is. to be bid on
February 25. If necessary, PRAC will meet on February 29 to review
the bids.
c. EJV_gWth Creek Site Planning LWAte This item will be discussed
further at the March meeting.
d. 1987 Annual B=t , j"roval. A motion was made by Commissioner Reed
and seconded by Commissioner Anderson to approve the 1987 Annual
Report as prepared by staff and to forward it to the City Council.
The motion carried with all ayes.
e. St. Mry's Neighborhood Park iodate. A second meeting notice will
be mailed` to area residents informing then of the meeting on
February PRAiC Minutes
Page 10
February 17 Director Blank indicated, that the first resident
meeting had 'bei poorly attended, but those who did crane, liked the
preliminary, concept pians presented by Parton-Aachmen. If a concept
plan is approved at the meeting on the 17th, it will go to the City
Council on March 7 for their apprmal,
6. NEW BUSIRS.S
a. g&VjGW Camn-nity Attitude a== Paso ts, Director Blank discussed
with the Conmission the results of the comxmity attitude survey,
including the special written its made by the consultants
conducting the survey. It is the opinion of the consultant that if
a c m mitt' center bond is to be successful, a very aggressive
campaign will have to be conducted. This year's survey indicated
that a slightly higher percentage of residents are in favor of a
commity center than two years ago. Director Plank also pointed,
out that the park maintenance part of the survey scored higher (92%)
then any other portion of City services in terms of resident
satisfaction.:
b. 1988 Pte_Tbur., A motion was made by Ca missioner Rosen and
eeccx, led by Commissioner LaTour to hold this year's park tour in the
evening rather than on a weekend. The motion carried with all ayes.
Thursday, May 19, was chosen as the date for the, tour, beginning at
5:00 p.m. and including dinner.
c. Now Plats. "There were no new plats to discuss.
7. 031MISSICN_PRE SERrATICN
None.
8. STAFF OO MMICATIGN
Mone.
9. ADJOUiMwEhTf
The meeting adjourned at 9:45 p.m.
Special Meeting of the Park and Recreation Advisory Canmission;
Wed mliY, February 17, 1988
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Preeent: Cbmmissionera Uft)our, Rosen, Reed, Hanson, Beach; staff Blank
Barton- Aso men consultant Barry Warner
Abeent Chair E&mrds, C avmissioner, Anderson
Following the informational meeting with the residents regarding St.Mary's
neighborhood park, the Park and Recreation Advisory commission called their
meeting to order at 8:25 p.m. in the council chambers.
Commissioner Reed stated that he had heard the citizens say they were very
pleased with the overall master plan as presented, with the: one question
being, was the proposed ponding area large enough? He had heard settimeit
that perhaps making the pond larger would be better. Commissicner Hanson:
asked the consultant if he cou d better explain the storm drainage area on
the southern one. -third of the park. How much water would actually porn in
this area, and for how long? Local residents verified that during big
storms, and during the springtime, about a third of this arra would be
extremely wet.
Commissioner Hanson also asked the consultant what it would roost to use a
variety of wild prairie seeds on portions of the park. Consultant Warner
from Barton Awhman indicated that it would cost approximately $8,000 to do
a four -acre site.
Canmissioner Rosen indicated that although the playground equipment was
approximately 200 feet from the western park boundary, this wouldstill be
the closest area to residential property. He indicated a preference for -
moving' the playground equipment to the east if that could be acomplished
without any extreme difficulty. Owimissioner Reed agreed with that idea
if, again, it could be done without impacting on the wetlands area.
Commissioner Hanson asked what the cost of an open-air shelter would be.
Tt a consultant indicated he thought it would be approximately $12,000. At
this point., the consultant handed out toe preliminary cost estimates on the
project. The subtotal for the work as presented was $98,325. with a 10
percent contingency, the total estimated cost is $108,000. Commissioner
Rosen stated that the budget was the final factor that they had to work
with, and he did not see any area where they could deduct enough to giver
the cost of adding a shelter. C.camissioner Reed stated that he didn't
think, we should spend $12,000 on a shelter, but maybe consider a covered
bench in its place.
Coamissioner Beach. asked the group's consensus on the extent of trails in
the park plan. Generally, the commission group felt that trails were used
by all, segments of the community, it wasthe number 1 requested item in the
survey from the neighborhood, and were well liked by the residents in
attendance at the meeting. Commissioner Rosen stated he would like to see
us try and extend the trail to the south to Ridgemount P1ayfield. r.bis is
shown in the master plan.
Special PW meeting
February 17, 1998:
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A motion was put on the floor by Commissioner Rosen and seconded by
Commissioner Hanson, to approve the master plan as shown without a picnic
shelter, without parking at this time, and if possible, to move the
playground equipment approximately 50 feet east. Commissioner Reed moved
ars amendment to include a civered bench in the bid package. This was
sent irled by Commissioner Harem. Following discussion centering around the
idea that the, covered bench :really would not provide adegvate shade, the
anak nent was defeated, five nays. Commissioner Hanson moved an amendment
that the master plan: and bids include four 5-6 inch diameter shade trees
near the play structure, of the maple, oak, or linden, variety. This was.
sPir!C4 ed by Commissioner LaTour. Amendment carried five ayes. The main
motion was then roved and passed with five ayes.:
Vice Chair LaTbur thanked the members of the audience for attending the two
meetings and invited then; to attend the March 7 City Council meeting when
this item will be preeented for master plan approval
The meeting adjourned at 9 .B p.m..
Minutes of. the Special Meeting of the Park and Recreation Advisory Commission
Monday, Fobruary 29, 1988'
Present: Donald: Anderson, Judy LaTour, Barbara Edwards, Rick Rosen, John
Reed, Eric Blank
Absent: Phyllis. Hanson, Caron Beach
Director Blank handed out the bid tabulations for the Parkers Lake Pavilion.
He explained the low base bidder on the project and the add alternate bids
that were also associated with this project. Based on their review and
discussion, Commissioner Rosen moved, seconded by Commissioner heed, that the
Park and Recreation Advisory Commission recommend* to the City Council that
they award, the base bid to Belair Builders., Inc., in the amount of $305,844
which will include burnished block Walls. Further, that add alternates G_1
large shelter), M-1 (air screens), G-3 (fire place), G-4 (pavers),, E-1 (alarm
system), E-7 (air screens-electricity), and E-4 (baseboard heat) also be
awardedat this time, and that a contingency of approximately $13,850 remain-
on the project. This money could be considered for installation of the small
picnic shelter if .it is not needed or.. other items during the construction of
the project.
Plymouth Creek; Park Harch 100 i986
Plymouth,'Hinnesota
Preliminary Concepts
B E A Project #87-05
Approximate Program Acres
CONCEPT i1
Par Three Golf Course 2$.0 ac.
Tennis Area 5.5 ac.
Group Picnic Area 6.0 ac.
Conservation Area 14.0 ac.
Athletic Area 26.0 ac.
Prairie Restoration Area: 26.,0 ac.
Water Surface Area 16.0 ac; - c.
3030- Education/Wildlife Habitat
49% -- Active Recreation
5% - Passive Recreation
13% - Water
CONCEPT 02
Civic; Plaza,Spectator Tennis
4 FieldGames Area 9.0 ac.
Group Picnic Area 13.0 ac.
Yater Slide Area 5.0 ac.
Tennis Area 5.5 ac.
Conservation Area 114.0 ac.
Athletic Area 26..0 so.
Prairie Restoration Area 24.0 ac.
Water Surface Area 25.0 so.
33% - Education/Wildlife Habitat
31$ - Active Recreation
16% - Passive Recreation
20% - Water
Plymouth Creek Park -2- March 10, 1988
COVCZPT 03
Civic P1aza,Soulpture Garden,
Boat Rental & Tennis Area 8.0 ac.
Group Picnicking Area 15.5 ac.
Water Slide Area 5.0 ac.
Indoor S000er Area 6.0 ac.
Conservation Area 14.0 ac.
Athletic. Area 26.0 ac.
Prairie Restoration Area 23.0 a.c
Water Surface Area 24.0 ac.
30% Education/Wildlife Habitat
32% Active Recreation
18% - Passive Recreation
2011 Water Surface
Additional Acreage Needed for Community Center
Concept #1 . . 5.0 ac
Concept #2 . . . 1.4 ac.
MEMO
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447
DATE': March 9, 1988
TO: PRAC
J
Eric Blank Director of Parks and RecreationFROM.:. ..
SUBJECT: PLYMOUTH GREEK SOCCER FIELD
Att.ached.for your review is. the preliminary engineering report prepared by Dan
Campbell of the City's engineering department. Dan has concluded that an
artificial turf field would cost approximately $361,000 vs. a natural grass
field for about $33,000. To these numbers you have to addapproximately
15,000 for trail realignment work and miscellaneous items. The cost to
maintain a soccer field for a year is approximately $8,000 to $10,000
annually. Based' on a cost difference between these two methods of
construction of approximately $330,000, the payback over 33 years is difficult,
to justify.
On a natural grass field we can play approximately 40-60 games per year. The
artificial turf field could handle very easily 300-400 games per year. The
reality is that without lights on this field, nor the athletic -associations
playing extensive weekend schedules, you would not be able to schedule enough
games at this site in order to justify the cost for the artificial turf. As
the cost of installing artificial turf surfaces decreases in the future, and
our maintenance costs increase, this is an area that we must continue to
explore for possible renovations of our fields in future years.
RECOMMENDATION: Based on the findings of this preliminary cost estimate, I
recommend the City proceed with the installation of a natural turf soccer
field at Plymouth Creek Park with a budget estimated at approximately $50,000
for the project. The cost for this will come from 218-218 community
playfields-park dedication account. This item is .currently proposed in the.
1988 capital improvements budget.
EB/np
Attachment
MEMO
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3400 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447
DATE: March 3, 1488
TO: Erick Blank, Director of Parks and Recreation
FROM: Daniel K. Campbell, Senior Engineering Technician
SUBJECT: PLYMOUTH CREEK PARK SOCCER FIELD
A Preliminary Engineering Report has been prepared dealing with the
construction of a natural grass versus artificial turf soccer field at
Plymouth Creek Park.
My recommendation would be to proceed with. Alternate N^D. l which is the
natural grass soccer field installation
DKC:kh
attachment
cc:- Fred G. Moore, Director of Public Works
Chester J.. Harrison, Jr., City Engineer
REPORT ON THE
PROPOSED SOCCER FIELD
INSTALLATION
AT
PLYMOUTH CREEK PARK
March 3, 1988'
Prepared by
City of Plymouth,
Engineering Department
Daniel K. Campbell
Senior Engineering Technician
Title Page,
Index
Conclusions and Recommendations.............................;....:.1
Location............................................... 2
Existing Conditions... .. ..... ............... ... ..2
Project Scope Alternate 1......................................3
Project Scope Alternate 2................ ..... .. .........._._.. 3
i:stimated Costs. ...... .. ..... ................_.4
Figure I.
Conclusions and Recommendarions
Both alternates outlined in this report are feasible relative to
engineering matters.
1. Alternate No. 1 is the least costly of the two options
proposed and requires more continuous maintenance.
2 Alternate No. 2 is a relatively maintenance free
artificial surface which would be usable from April to
October and is least affected by weather conditions.
3. The existing sanitary sewer manhole located in the middle
of the proposed playing area should be abandoned and a new
structure constructed to the north end and outside of the
playing surface
4. Soil testing should be done to determine poor soil
conditions. These poor soils could result in differential
settlement of the playing surface causing poor drainage
and continual resurfacing of the playing field. A
recommendation from a soils engineer on sand -soil mixtures
for best grass growth. and a favorable low injury surface
should be part of the soils report.
1
Location_:
The proposed soccer field would: be locateddirectly west of and
adjacent to the present soccer field at Plymouth Creek Park (see
Figure No 1);
Existing Conditionsr
The site has an" existing eight inch PVC sanitary sewer line running
through it with a manhole structure in the middle of the proposed.
playing surface. A portion of the site contains a low lying marshy
area which would be filled With on-state excavation material. An
existing eight foot wide bituminous trail crosses the center of the
site:
r
Ptgiect SC.?De - Alternate W. 1
This alternate proposes to construct a typical natural grass soccer
field by doing the following;
1. Grade the site, creating approximately 4,900
cubic yards of excavation.
2. Provide an exten ion to the existing sprinkler
system for irrigation of the playing surface
Construct a five inch sand soil layer to create
a low injury surface:.
4. Sod, the entire playing surface and deed the
remaining,disturbed areas,
rojact Scope: - Alternate. 2
This alternate. proposes to construct an artificial grass soccer
field by doing the following;
1. Grade the site creating approximately 4,9()0
cubic yards of excavation,
2. Place a layer of geotextile fabric over the
subgrade to prevent fine soils from migrating
into the drainage pipe system.. Migrating soils
would eventually cause the drainage system to
fair..
3, Install a perforated PVC pipe draicage system
for vertical drainage through- the artificial
turf layer,
4. Place, four inches of crushed. rock to provide a
porous but stable base.
5. Install; artificial turf fabric and sand fill,yr
layer.
6. Paint permanent playing field lines on surface
3_
4
Alternate No. 1
COST ESTIMATE
Natural Grass Soccer Field
Common. Excavation 4,900 C.Y', at 1,251C.Y. _ 6,12.5
Common Bormw 650 C.Y. at 2.001C.Y. _ 1,300
Sand Borrow 650 C.Y. at 6.50/C.Y. _ 4,22.5
Sod 10,000 S.Y. at 1.10/S,Y. 1.1+000
Sprinkler System Lump Sum 9,000
Construct New Sanitary Manhole Lump. Sum 1,500'
Total 33,150
Site may need placement of a geotextiie fabric prior to fill placement,.
Estimated cost = additional $8,000`
Alternate No. 2 — Sporturf _ Artificial Turf System
Sporturf Economy System
86,400 S.F. r -c 4.00/S.F, g 345,600
Permanent Painted Field Lines Lump Sum 10,000
Common Excavation 4,900 C.Y. at 1.,25/CY. 6,125
Total 361,725
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ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION ENROLLMENTS
Outdoor Sports)
284 Hockey 755 755
Way4ata-Plymouth Soccer 11274 1,274.
Plymouth -Wayzata football 315 315
Plymouth -Wayzata Softball 465 465
Plymouth -Wayzata Baseball 625 625
NHPAA Hockey 370 170 Plymouth)
NHPAA Sumner Soccer 141 59 Plymouth)
NHPAA Fall Soccer 770 388 Plymouth)
NHPAA Football 125 56 Plymouth)
NHPAA Baseball. Plymouth)
Total in all A.A. (using Number of Plym.
outdoor facilities) 5,368 res. in A.A. 4,327
5 charger to all Plymouth residterts it' athletic associations using our outdoor
facilities would yield $21,635 5 x 4,327).
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February 10, 198$
Dear Jerry,
It is my understanding the Plymouth council is comtemplating
user fees for the Plymouth parks, which I feel would be a
mistake for Plymouth; I'm sure ever increasing costs are
a concern but the minimal revenues produced would in no way
offset the negative Complaints from the residents. In my
opinion, singling out a specific group such as the Youth.
Sports Organization as special interest groups is dangerous
Hopefully, as a taxpayer we pay for a total program. When
certain groups are segregated, taxpayers will start to feel
they should only be taxed for the services they receive, and
the attitude of the community, which is vital to the future:
of Plymouth, will be broken.: Alternatives such as volunteer
maintenance assistance and the definite needs for such fees,
hopefully will be explored extensively.
Please accept my thoughts, in the positive spirit in which
they are given. My only interest ih continuing the positive
atirlosphere between the City of Plymouth and its youth organ
izations which I feel; would be jeopordized if user fees
were initiated unless only as a last resort.
1t
Cordially, GGordyEngel
CC: Mr. Erik Blank, Director
Parks and Recreation
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