HomeMy WebLinkAboutPark and Recreation Advisory Commission Packet 07-10-1986Regular Meeting of the Park and Recreation Advisory Commission
Tul,y, to, ,1986, 7:30 p.m:
Council chambers
AGENDA
1. Call to Order
Z. Approval of Minutes:
3. Visitor Presentations
a. Athletic Associations
b. Staff
c. Others
5. Unfinished Business
a. Green Oaks Park Location of Play Equipment Report byPaul Fj,are
of Brauer & Associates
b. Parkers Lake, Upda to
c. 1987-91 CIP - Action Item
d.. Plymouth Greek. Park Site Pl.arroing Discussion
e. Bass Lake. Dock Update
f. 1987 L'1WCON Grant Update
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h.
New Business
a. New Plats - None
b.
C.
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7f Commission Presentation
8, Staff Communication
9.; Adjourn
NEXT MEETING' - UNLESS YOU ARE NOTIFIED,
THE NEW MEETING WILL BE SEPTEMBUR 11.
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Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the Park and. Recreation Advisory Commission
June 12, 1986
Page 16
Present: Chair Edwards, Commissioners Anderson, Reed, LaTour, ,Beach and Rosen;
staff Blank and Pederson; Gouncilmembers Vasiliou andLitur; residents
of Green Oaks
Absent: Commissioner Mullan
1. CALL TO ORDER
Chair Edwards called the meeting to order at 7.43 p.m. in the Council Chambers..
2., APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A motion was made by Donald Anderson ani seconded by Carol Beach to approve
the minutes of the May meeting as presented. The motion carried with all
ayes.
3. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS
a. Athletic Associations. None were present at this meeting.
b.. Staff. Recreation staff members were not present at this meeting.
c. Others. There were no guest speakers present at this meeting.
4. REPORT ON PAST COUNCIL ACTION
a. Award of Bid for Parkers Lake City Park. Council awarded a bid to matt
Bullock Contracting Co. in. the amount of $459,000 for Phase I construction
of Parkers. Lake City Park. Work shouldbegin there by the end of the week.
b. Queensland and Imperial. Hills Neighborhood Park Improvements. Budgets
and concept plans for these two neighborhood parks were approved with
the exception of the pond dredging .for Queensland park.:
c. Council approved the guidelines for requesting City contributions to
school playgrounds.
5. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
a. Play Equipment at Green Oaks Park, Director Blank briefly reviewed the
history of the problems at Green Oaks park which resulted in the Council
directing FRAC to hold a public meeting to hear the concerns of the
residents. Director Blank reviewed his staff report for PRAC which
listed four options for dealing with problems at Green Oaks along with
his recommendation to partially re -locate some of the equipment. Chair
Edwards read aloud letters received from Faye Lang, 18205 30th Place,
who supported leaving the equipment as is; Janice Rakos, 18725 27th
Avenue, who supported moving the equipment; and Audrey Johnson, 1,8835
30th 'Place, who supported moving the equipment. FollotTing the reading
of the letters) Chair Edwards called people from the audience to
speak.
1. Rick Vanderford, 2615 Zircon Lane, favored moving the equipment, but not
to the west side of the hill. He suggested the Southeast side.
2. Dave Volker, 2830 Brockton Lane, spoke on behalf of the Creentree West
Homeowner's, Association. The:Association met recently and passed a
resolution supporting the total relocation of all playground equipment
to an area approximately 30-35 yards north of the undeveloped farm land,
on the south end of the park, maid -way between the two housing develop-
ments. When questioned by the Commission that this location might
interfere with the softball diamond, he stated that it did not. He
further stated the diamond is very rarely used.
Minutes of the June 12, 1986 FRAC "meeting
Page .11
3. .teff Grates, 18630 26th Avenue, stated his home borders the park on
the northeast corner. He is home during the day and also stated that
the ball diamond is rarely used. He favors the total relocation of the
equipments
4. Jim Richter, 2625 Zircon Lane, stated that he enjoys the park very much,
but suggests moving the equipment to an.area near the first base foul
line of the ball field.
5. Kent Carlson, 18705 27th Avenue, stated he borders the park and: his
property is 15-20 feat from the slide. He complimented the Commission
on the fine play equipment, but he feels it attracts older kids. He
favors total relocation to a more central point in the park.
6. Carolyn Sternad, 18415 30th Place, has lived in the Green Qal^s area
for 21; years and: has enjoyed. the park with her children and,adchildren.
She does not think that moving the equipment will solve the nu.&bJa
problem. She .feels it would be better to wait at least a year to see
if use tapers off'. She suggested implementing the curfew if teenagers
are a problem after 10;00 P.M.
7. Chuck Johnson, 275:0 Xanthus Lane, lives around the corner from the park..
He stated that a noise problem existed long before the new equipment, was
installed, and. he favors leaving the equipment as is.
8. Fred Ra.tzloff, 2700 Xanthus Lane, stated that he and his family enjoy
using the park and think that, the equipment should be left where it is.
He agrees it's noisy, but feels regardless of where equipment is located,
there, is going to be noise.. He indicated his concern with the high
tension wires being above the equipment if it is moved to the south
end of the parka He favors leaving equipment alone for at least a,
year to see if situation improves:
9. Peter Busch, 18905 30th Avenue, feels equipment should be left where it
is. He also stated his concern with Rick Rosen being on the Commission
and discussing this issue, Which he felt was a conflict of interest.
He suggested that Commis -7 ner.Rosen remove.himself from the voting
process.
10. Carl Nelson, 18625 26th Avenue, stated that the only solution to the
problem is to move the equipment to a.central location in the park.
1.1. Elliot Kjus,. 2720; Zircon Lane, lives on the northwest end. of the park,
and he recommends moving equipment to an area which would be an equal
distance from all homes. He also suggested the removal of the shelter
building, as it attracts teenagers who throw rocks on the tin roof,
which creates a lot of night disturbances and noise., He also questioned
the planter at the entrance to the park and wondered who was to maintain
it. He indicated that it is full of weeds and looks very unsightly.
12. Dan Barnard., 2210 Xanthus Lane, bikes to the park frequently and
enjoys it very much. He feels equipment should be left where it is
for now to see if situation changes with time. He also indicated his
concern with Commissioner Rosen being involved in any decision-making,
process regarding this issue.
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13. Jim Jestus, 18805 27th Avenue, stated that his backyard is, on the park,
but he has not heard any noise at night from teenagers. He worries
that if equipment is movedto _an aree near the hill, it might not be;
visible by the parents`.
14. Karen Deters, 19020 26th Avenue, lives one block west of the park.
She favors moving the equipment down closer to, the farm land'. She
indicated that she has visited in the Rosen and Carlson homes on
numerous occasions and that the noise.comi,ng into these homes is
unbearable. She also stated she is aware that teens throw rocks on,
the top of the shelter building which is very noisy, since it has
a tin roof. She favors replacing the pea gravel with sand and
suggests better patrol of the park at night..
15. Linda Rosen, 18715 27th Avenue, indicated that she met with a rep-
resentative of the pollution control agency in April. The PCA.
stated that the ideal situation, would be to have the equipment
lower than the homes, but in this case, the equipment is higher.
The PCA also felt that the equipment is too close to the three.
homes in the corner, and that these three homes are -providing
a buffer for the rest of the neighborhood'. Mrs. Rosen favors
moving all, of the equipment to an area southwest of the ballfield..
16. Jean Carlson, 18705 27th Avenue, stated that she did not think the
Park and Recreation Advisory Commission listened to the residents
during the earlier planning stages of this play equipment. She
recommends its total relocation to the south central portion of
the park. She also suggests removing the picnic shelter and
replacing all rocks with sand.
17. Fred Retzloff spoke a second time and said that after heating, all,
the comments made, he understood the problems to be noise,; increased
traffic, and insufficient patrolling of the park at night• He
recommends that before any: decis.on6 be made, the opinion of the
noise pollution control agency should be sought,
18. Carolyn Sternad spoke again, and her finalrecommendation was to
plant trees in the corner where the play equipment is located to act
as a screen for the residents living closest to the playground.
19. Jeff Grates stated again that the noise problem must be dealt with,
and the equipment should be moved.
20. Dan Barnard spoke a second time and supported. leaving the equipment
alone, replacing; the rock with sand to cut down on some of the noise,
and that any study done by the pollution control agency should be
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monitored for sometime before any decision is made.
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Following all the comments from the residents, Chair Edwards asked the
commissioners for their input and ideas on solutions to the problems
at Green Oaks.
Carol Beach stated that once the Queensland and Imperial Hills parks:
are improved, some of the pressure will be taken off Green Oaks.
Children who arenow using Green Oaks will: more than, likely switch back
to Imperial Hills or Queensland.
Donald Anderson thinks that dissipation of noise should be PRAC's goal.:
Judy LaTour suggested the total removal of some of the equipment with
relocation to an entirely different park. She; feels that there is
too muco equipment for this size, park.. She also recommends planting
trees in the corner where the toddler equipment is located to cut
down on the noise.
Donald Anderson feels that DRAG is not quite sure what to do to solve
the problems at Green Oaks, how much equipment to move, or where to
put the equipment.
Judy LaTour stated that she supports removing the roof from the shelter
building, and moving, the larger play equipment.
A motion was made by Carol Beach to table any action on Green Oaks until
July in order to do further research on: proposed locations. The motion
died for lack of a second.
Commissioner Reed recommended re-hiring'Brauer and Associates for their
opinion on relocation. He agrees that more information is necessary
before any site is chosen.
Rick Rosen reminded FRAC of Council's directive to make a recommendation
that evening.
A motion, was made by Carol Beach and seconded by Donald Anderson
recommending that staff research proposed locations for moving the
play equipment and make a decision no later than August 15. The
motion failed on a 1-4 vote, with Caro; Beach voting aye, and Donald,
Anderson, John Reed,, Barbara Edwards and Judy LaTour voting nay.
Rick.Rosen abstained.
A MOTION WAS MADE BY JOHN REED AND SECONDED BY DONALD ANDERSON
RECOMMENDING PARTIAL RELOCATION OF TETE PLAY EQUIPMENT AS SOON' AS
POSSIBLE TO A LOCATION TO BE DETERMINED BY A PROFESSIONAL. HE
FURTHER RECOMMENDED SEEKING THE OPINION OF'BRAUER AND ASSOCIATES
TO HELP DETERMINE THE BEST LOCATION. The motion carried with
four ayes. Carol Beach voted nay and Rick Rosen abstained.
A KOTION WAS MADE BY DONALD 411DERSON AND SECONDED BY JUDY LATOUR TO
TOTALLY REMOVE THE PICNIC SHELTER FROM GREEN OAKS PARK. The: motion
carried with a 3-Z vote. Barbara Edwards. and John Reed voted nay.
Rick Rosen abstained. Carol Beach asked staff to get a. cost estimate
on removing the shelter and suggested that replacing the roof with
something other than tin may solve the noise problem.
Minutes, of the June:. 12, 1986 PRAC Meeting
Page 20
b. Parkers Lake Park Update. Construction should, begin within the next two
Weeks. The bid was awarded. to Matt Bullock Constracting Co. in the
amount of $459,000.
c. Zachary Playfield Update., Because the bid for Parkers Take was higher
than.anticipated, Director Blank decided to eliminate the picnic shelter
from Phase l construction in order to reduce the cost. He also decided
to use :Funds proposed for the Zachary Playiield landscaping for Parkers
Lake instead. The Zachary landscaping will be moved to the 1987 CIP.
d. 1987 LAWCON Grant. Our 1987 LAWCON grant has been submitted for Phase 11
of Parkers Lake City Park,
e. 1987-91. CIP. Director Blank indicated that he had received a letter from
residents regarding improvements for Lions Park. John Reed stated that
he was a member of the Lions Club and that they have $500 to donate
toward the purchase of some equipment such as a climbing structure and
sand diggers. He also stated they were willing to provide some labor.
Director Blank indicated that no allowances have been made for funding
improvements at Lions Park. Barbara Edwards asked if funds set aside
for Rolling, Hills or County Road 61 parks would be used ,for Lions
if it's decided to go ahead with improvements there? Director Blank
responded that $100,000 has been set aside for Rolling Hills, Amhurst
and County Road 61 parks and that it would probably be okay to spend
an, additional $1.2,000 on Lions. Director Blank also stated that the
City has received a lot of pressure to install, a trail along County
Road 15, which will cost approximately $1.38,000. If the Council
chooses to proceed with this construction this year, it will affect
the 1987 CIP,
Rick Rosen asked if there was an inventory of what's in each of our
parks,; which ones need updating and when they were last. improved.
Director Blank said that he would prepare such a list and provide
copies for all commissioners.
6. NEW BUSINESS
a. New Plats.None.
b. Bass Lake Dock. This DNR approved dock has been ordered, and once it
is installed, it will remain in the lake year round.
c. Plymouth Creek Park Planning. Pond dredging within Plymouth Creek Park
is in the 1966 CIP. A concept plan was prepared for this park a Few
years ago, but has never been formally approved. Copies: of the plan
will be made available to each commissioner For review.
7. COMMISSION PRESENTATION
Carol. Beach informed the commissioners that she had purchased a quilt for
Ruth Brown's baby, and she let each know how much they owed her for that
gift.
8. STAFF COMMUNICATION
Director_ Blank announced that Ruth gave birth to a son (11 lbs. 8 oz.) on
May 14.,
9. Adjourn
The meeting adjourned at 11:00 p.m.
CITY OF' PLYMOUTH
3400 PLYMOUTH BLVD,, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447
TELEPHONE. (612) 559-2800
MEMO
DATE; July 3, 198E
TO; PRAC
FROM: Eric Blank
SUBJECT: GREEN OAKS PARK - RELOCATION OF PLAY EQUIPMENT
Attached you will, find a_memo from Paul Fjare outlining his thoughts
with regard to the relocation of the play equipment at Green Oaks park.
I am in concurrence with his recommendation of site B which is right
in the middle of the park.. Paul will be present at the PRAC meeting
to answer any questions .from the commissioners.
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Mr. Eric" Blank July 1, 1986
Park & Recreation Advisory Committee
City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Blvd.
Plymouth, MN 55447
Re: Green_ oaks Park
Eric:
In response to your request, a meeting was held at Green Oaks
Park on Tuesday, June 24th, with Mrs. Barbara Edwards, PRAC
Chairperson; Eric Blank and Mark Peterson, Park Staff and Diane
Klausner and myselfof Brauer &; Associates Ltd. The purpose of
the meeting was to evaluate alternative locations for the
creative play area presently located in the northeast corner of
the site.
Key considerations in reviewing alternative locations included:
1. Play experience for the user - in this case, children.
2. Physical accessibility within the park.
3. Visual: accessibility within the park and off Site.
4. Safety in location for children users.
5. Adaptability of the present play area and structures to a new
location.
6. Compatibility with other park program uses.
7. Compatibility with adjacent property owners.
All of the above were given equal weight Phone calls received
by the consultant were evaluated within the above criteria as
objectively as possible.
Three locations were discussed and are designated on the attached
graphicasAlternative Locations A, B, and C. Only Alternative
Location B seems to uphold. the seven criteria outlined above.
Alternative Loc3tion A does not fulfill Points #2, 3, and 4.
Criteria 07 could impact negatively as future development occurs
to the south of Green Oaks Park.
Alternative Location C falters in manly two criteria points sited
above 12 and U.
Please call, if can be of further .,': ist:ance.
B UER ASSOCIATES LTD.
Paul S. ria e,' M.L.A.
President
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Imperial Bills 1986 1977)
Green Oaks 1985 1977)
Circle 1,985 1977)
Sunrise 1985
Maple Creek 1985.
Zachary Playf eld', 1984
Pilgrim Lane Elementary Park 1984
LaCompce 1983
Plymouth Greek 1983
East Beach 1983
Mission 1982
Timber Shores. 1982.
Schmidt Take. 1982
Gleanloch 1980`
Shiloh 1980
Kilner 1977
West Medicise; Lake 1977
Hemlock 1977
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Parkers Lake 95,000
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Park Dedication 29.000
1986 Trail Fund 75,000
Luce Line 25,00,
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Mr. Eric Blank
Park &, Recreation Advisory Committee
City of Plymouth
3400 Plymouth Blvd.
Plymouth, MN 55447
Re:: Green Oaks Park
July 1 1356
Eric:
in response to your request, a meeting was. held at Green Oaks
Park on Tuesday, June 24th, with Mrs. Barbara Edwards, PRAC
Chairperson; Eric Blank and Mark ,Peterson, Park Staff; and Diane
Klausner and myself of Brauer & Associates Ltd. The purpose of
the meeting was to evaluate alternative locations for the
creative play area presently located in the northeast corner, of
the site.
Key considerations in reviewing alternative locations included;
1, play experience for the user in this case, children.
2. Physical acce.siqlllity within the. park.
3. Visual accessibi4"4i;y within the park, and off site.
4. Safety in location for children users.
5. Adaptability of the present play area, and structures to a new
location.
6 Compatibility with oUier park program uses.
7. Compatibility with adjacent property owners.
All of the above were given equal weight, Phone: calls received
by the consultant were evaluated within the above criteria as
objectively as possible.
Three locations were discussed and are designated on the attached
graphic as Alternative Locations A, B. and C. only Alternative
Location B seems to uphold the seven criteria outlined above.
Alternative Location A, does not fulfill Points #2', 3 and 4.
Criteria #7 could impact negatively as future development occurs
to the south of Green Oaks Park.
Alternative Location C falters in only two criteria points sited.
above - #2 and V
Please call i.I can be of further assistance.
BAUER, ASSOCIATES LTD.
Paul S Pia e M L A
President
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Diann and Jeffrey Baron
14835 lAtb:Avenue >r
Plymouth, M 55441
D"r Diann and Jaffray::
On behalf of the City of Plymouth, I Would like to thank you for your
generous contribution of 25 for the purchase of a tree to ba planted
in Parkers Lake City Park.
As soon as the tree is purchased and placed in the.park, I will inform
you of its location.
Again, thank you kindly for your charitable donation.
Sincerely,
Eric J. Blank, Director'
Parks and Recreation
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lark and Recreal-n Advisory Commission
City Forester
3100 PLYMOUTH BOULEVARD, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55447, TELEPHONE (812) 559.2800
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