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Plymouth Park and Recreation Advisory Commission
Regular Meeting of May 50 1983, 7:30 p.m..
Plymouth City Center Council Chambers
1. Call to Order
2. Approval of Minutes
3.. Public Nearing - Amendment to Comprehensive Trail Plan - 7:30 p.m.!
4. Visitor Presentations
a. Youth Athletic Associations
b. Mary Patterson, Rick Busch, Suzie Raskob
c. Others
5. Report on Past Council Action !,
a. Funding Task Force Report
b. Bass Lake Playfield
6. Unfinished Business
a. LAWCON/LCMR Grant Update
b.* Medicine Lake Task Force Update
c. Life.. Be In It. Day Update
d. Par;:ers Lake Planned Development
e. Play Equipment Update
f. Review Agenda for Joint Meeting with City Council on flay 23
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7. New Business
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8. Commission. Presentation
9. Staff Communication
10. Adjournment
Minutes of the Plymouth Park and Recreation Advisory Commission Regular Meeting
April 7, 1983
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Present: Commissioners Threinen, Mullen, Dvorak, Chesebror,,h, Edwards; staff
members Blank, Busch; guests in attendance were; ity Council -member
Threinen, Moen, Planning Commissioner Magnus, Assistant City Manager
Boyles, Ann Anderson of the Post, Suzie Ras'kob Park & Rec Intern
1. CALL TO ORDER
Commissioner Threinen called the meeting of April 7 to order at 6:47 p.m.
in the Plymouth City Center Council Chambers.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Commissioner Mullan moved and Commissioner Dvorak seconded a motion to
approve the minutes cf February 10th. The motion curried with ayes all..
3. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
Bass Lake Playfield - Acquisition
Chairperson Threinen asked for a staff report from Director Blank. Director
Blank gave a brief history on the background of how the Bass Lake Playfield
was incorporated into the Comprehensive System Plan and the reviews by
PRAC and City Council that included it in the current Capital Improvement
Program. He ,sated that Mr. Gomsrud hadcontacted the City requesting that
the City consider purchasing this property for park because he was
retiring as of April, 1983. Commissioner Dvorak inquired as to when Director
Blank thought the development of this park may be necessary. Director Blank
stated that he felt it would be several years before becoming necessary to
develop the park. This would all be contingent, of course, on the residential
development taking place in Northeast Plymouth.
COMMISSIONER CHESEBROUGH MOVED TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY
AUTHORIZE THE ACQUISITION OF 19 ACRES OF LAND FROM MR. ROBERT M. GOMSRUD,
LOCATED AT 5415PINEVIEW LANE AT A COST OF $1.30,000. COMMISSIONER MULLAN
SECONDED THE MOTION. The motion carried will ayes all.
4. DISCUSSION OF JOINT MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL SCHEDULED FOR THURSDAY,
APRIL 21.
Director Blank informed the Commission that there would be a special
joint City Council, PRAC meeting on Thursday, April 21 starting at
5:30 p.m. At this time a tentative agenda was being put together and he
was soliciting ideas from the Commission for further ideas. The tentative
agenda items at this time included; Discussion of time -table development
of Plymouth Creek Park, "Life Be In It" Day up -date, Funding Task Force
up -date, Medicine 'Lake Task Force up -date, discussion of a possible City
park tour ,and a tour of community centers through out the metropolitan
area. Commissioner Chesebrough suggested that we include a review of the
goal's and objectives contained in the back of the 1982 annual report.
5. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 7:05 p.m. The special training session lead by
Don Brauer began.
CITY of PLYMOUTH
3400 PLVMOUTH BLVD,, PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55441
TELEPHONE (612) 559-2500
DATE, Apr i l. 29, 1983 MEMO
Tp; P RAC
FROM: Eric Blank
SUBJECT; Public Hearing Amendment to Comprehensive Trail Pian
Attached is a cony of my memorandum to you dated November 23, 1982,
regarding an amendment to the Comprehensive Trail Plan. You will
recall that in December, you passed a motion endorsing the changes
to the Trail Plan as outlined in the memo and you recommended that
the City Council also endorse the changes,
At our meeting on Thursday, May 5, a public hearing will be held
at 7:30 p.m., at whish time any resident wishing to comment on the
amended trail plan may do so.
notice of this public hearing was published in the New Hope -Plymouth
Post Thursday, April 28.
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3400 PLYMOUTH BLVD., PL,YMQU'rH, MINNESOTA 55441
TELEPHONE (612) 556-21100
DATE: November 23, 1982
MEMO
TO PRAC
FROM; Eric Blank
SUBJECT: Amendment to Comprehensive. Trail Plan.
BACKGROUND: In recent weeks, we have been reviewing the preliminary
reports on the alignment of new County Road 61 from Highway 55 to
County Road 10. During these meetings, Plymouth. City Engineer Fred
Moore and I have also been reviewing the proposed alignments of
City trails as they relate to this project area. Some minor changes
to the plan should be beneficial. We think; that the proposed
amendments as outlined below and shown on the attached maps will
make for a safer and easier constructed bikeway system.
The Chan os as we. propose them are: (see figure. 6 Trail System Plan
for existing proposal.)
1. Pineview Lane from the Sault Ste. Marie Railroad to County Road
47 be changed from a Class I t, a Class I.I trail. Much of this
road has development in place which would make it very difficult
to get the trail easements necessary to build an off-road trail.
The road is wide enough (40') to accommodate striping bike lanes
on the existing pavement.
2., New County Road 61. Add a Class I trail from approximately 45th
Avenue (to connect to Regional Trail) to County Road IO.. Construc-
tion would be implemented with development of the new County Road
61. This also supports the trail systems idea that Class I trails
correspond to higher volume roads. This should reduce acquisition
cost.. This would connect a Class I trail from Highway 55 to County
Road 10 that would go through or by three neighborhood parks and
Medicine lake. Regional Park.
3. Eliminate a Class III trail between 49th Avenue and County Road 47
along the I-494 frontage road..
RECOMMENDATION: I recomi-end that PRAC endorse the changes to the
Comprehensive Trail Plan as outlined above and that PRAC re.'ommend
the City Council also endorse these amendments.
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CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3400 PLYMOUTH BLVD„ PLYMOUTH,, MINNESOTA 55441
TELEPHONE (612) 556-28M
DATE. April 29, 1983 MEMO
TO: PRAC a
FROM. Eric Blank
SUBJECT; Public Nearing Amendment to Comprehensive Trail Plan
Attached is a cony of my memorandum to you dated November 23, 1932,
regarding an amendment to the Comprehensive Trail Plan. You will
recall that in December, you passed a motion endorsing the c.hannes
to the Trail Plan as outlined in the memo and you recommended that
the City Council also endorse the changes.
At our meeting on Thursday, May b, a public hearing will be held
at 7.30 p.m., at which time any resident wishing to comment on the
amended trail plan may do so.
Notice of this public hearing was published in the New Nope -Plymouth
Post on Thursday, April 28.
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CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3400 PLYMOUTH BLVD., PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55441
TELEPHONE: (612) 5594800
DATE: November 23, 1962
MEMO
TO, PRAC
FAOW Eric Blank -
SUBJECT:+ Amendment. to Comr7•ehensive Trail. Plan
BACKGROUND: In recent weeks, we have been reviewing the preliminary
reports on the alignment of new County Road 61 from Highway 55 to
County Road 10. -During these meetings, Plymouth City Engineer Fred
Moore and I have also been reviewing the proposed alignments of
City trails as they relate to this project area.. Some minor changes
to the plan should be beneficial. We think that the proposed
amendments as outlined below and shown on the attached maps will
make for a safer and easier constructed bikeway system.
The changes as we propose them are: (see figure 6 Trail System Plan
for existing proposal.)
1. Pinevi'ew Lane from the Sault Ste. Marie Railroad to County Road
47 be changed from a Class I to a Class II trail. Much of this
road has development in place which would make it very difficult
to get the trail easements necessary to build an off-road trail.
The road is wide enough (40') to accommodate striping bike lanes
on the existing, pavement.
2. New County Road 61. Add a Class I trail from approximately 45th
Avenue (to connect to Regional Trail) to County Road 10. Construc-
tion would be implemented with development of the new County Road
61. This also supports the trail systems idea that Class I trails
correspond to higher volume roads. This should reduce acquisition
cost.., This would connect a Class I trail from Highway 55 to County
Road 10 that would go through or by three neighborhood parks and
Medicine Lake Regional Park.
3. Eliminate a Class III trail between 49th Avenue and County Road 47
along the I-494 frontage road.
RECOMMENDATION: I recommend that PRAC endorse the changes to the
Comprehensive Trail Plan as outlined above and that FRAC recommend
the City Council also endorse these amendments.
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CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3400 PLYMOUTH BLVD., PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55441
TELEPHONE (612) 559-3600
DATE., Apri 1 5, ;1983 M EMO
TO James G. Willis, City Manager
FROM: Eric Blank, Director of Parks b Recreation
SUBJECT: Status report, Medicine Cake Management Task Fo~ce
The attached resolution requests the Hennepin County Board to insure that
Medicine Lake is give a top priority by the Hennepin County Sheriff% Patrol
for law enforcement activities during the 1983 summer season. This request
is to encourage the sherifff patrol to establish a high visibility level
on Medicine Lake in an effort to offset any possible safety problems which
may arise, in part, by the establishment of a public boat launch at the
Medicine Lake Regional Park.
This memo is a status report of the Medicine Lake Management Task Force.
To date the 14 member Task Force has meet four times Guests who have
appeased before the Task Force to provide background information have
included. Mike Grupa, DNR Enforcement Officer, Kim Elverum, Director of
Boat and Water Safety for the DNR, Larry Peterson and David. Rasmussen, with
the Hennepin County Sheriffs Water Patrol, and Don Forchas and Bob Hernandez
representing the Medicine Lake Sail' Club. Tom Hardy was also invited twice to
appear before the Commission, but both times was unable to make our meetings,
Topics that were reviewed and discussed by the Commission included::
A. State Boating Laws
B. The DNR, Enforcement Program
C. Hennepin County Sheriffs Water Patrol Enforcement Program
D. Current Surface Use Water Regulations
E Water Quality Management Studies and Programs
F. Research done by the Hennepin County Park Reserve; District, on the
establishment of Medicine Lake Regional Park
G. Winter Ice Use Clean -Up
H. Organized Sal' Boat Races
CONCLUSION RECOMFiENDATIONS. The Task Force was in general concurrence that it.
would be premature to recommend the development of any surface use water
regulation or special ordinances until further data collection had taken place
on the use and problems of Medicine Lake. There was agreement that there
should be a systematic review of lake usage during the year 1983. The
Hennepin County Park Reserve District will keep detailed records of all boat
lmu aching that they have control over. The City of Plymouth and AMLAC will in
conjuction with the Hennepin County Park Reserve District do periodic boat
surveys of use; on weekend and other high use periods. The DNR will regularly
schedule th,4ir enforcement officers to visit the lake and provide enforcement
for those state laws which pertain to their jurisdiction. The Hennepin
County Sheriffs Patrol Office has indicated that they will make a concerted
effort to patrol the lake during this first year of operation to help elevate
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Status report, Medicine Lake Management Task force
any specific problems whish may occur.. The Bassetts Creek Flood Control
s Commission and Barr Engi tering will continue their efforts in water
quality analysis and make reports available to future Task force meetings.
The cities of Medicine Lake: and Plymouth will began an education process
for all residents living around the lake for the development of "Good'
Housekeeping Items 01,
such as, leaf pick-up and proper fertilization of lawns.
to help elevate water quality problems. The next meeting of the Task Force
is scheduled for Wednesday, June 1 5:30 p.m. at the Begin house located at
Medicine Lake Regional Perk. The purpose of this meeting will be for a tour
of the regional park and a brief discussion of how the boat launch operation
has gone up to that time. Baring any major occurances taking place prior
to June 1 the Task Force has agreed that they will begin to meet in
September of 1983 to do an analysis on the users surveys for the summer of
1983 and begin preperhtion of the specific review and discussion of any
proposed rules or regulations necessary for an affective operation of winter
ice use.
The following attachments are enclosed for your review
V. Resolution
2. lask Force; Roster
3. December 2:, Memo from Eric Blank to Jim Willis
4. Agendas and minutes of January 11, 27, February 8 & 24
5. 1983 Medicine Lake Water Quality Monitoring Schedule
6. Board minutes, Medicine Lake Sailing Club, March 17th
Eric Blank
Director of Warks b Recreation
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RESOLUTION NO. 83-
A RESOLUTION REQUESTING THE HENNEPIN COUNTY SHERIFF'S1
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WATER PATROL TO CONCENTRATE ENFORCEMENT ON MEDICINE
LAKE FOR 1983.
WHEREAS, the Hennepin County Park Reserve District has developed a publicboatlaunchonMedicineLake, and
WHEREAS, said boat. launch may increase the number of boats on MedicineLakebysixty, and
WHEREAS, potential conflicts of safety may _arise between various water
craft on Medicine Lake, and
WHEREAS, the. City of Plymouth wishes to encourage the safe recreational useofMedicineLake,
NOW THEREFORE BE IT HEREBY REQUESTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OFPLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA that the Hennepin County Sheriff's Water Patrol place
a high priority on scheduling patrols of Medicine Lake commencing with the
opening of the Medicine Lake Regional launch facility.
MEDICLNE LAKE TASK. FORCE ROSTER
City of Medicine Lake, City of Pl mcuth
nn,s Erickson Eric Blank
161 Peninsula Road 3400 Plymouth Blvd.
Medicine taker NO 55441 Plymouth, MN 55447
Ph. 545-7854 Ph. 559.2800 x 265
Bassett Creek Flood Control Commission City Council Liaison
Bar ng neer .ng Virg Schneider
Earl Bancroft 11520 54th Ave o.'
6800 France Ave S Plymouth, MN 5544?
Minneapolis, MN 55435 Ph. 559-1111. 874-7474
Ph. 920-0655
Hennepinn Count Park Reserve The following individuals will
rt_y Jessen receive copies of minutes and
38,00 County Road Z4 agendas but are not actual members.
Maple Plain, MN 55359 of the Task Force:
Ph. 473-4693
Clark Magnus
AMLAC' 18520 27th Ave N
UFS'cribner Plymouth, MN 55447
2015 Lancaster Lane N
Plymouth, MN 55441 Blair Tremere
Ph. 339-7521 Planning Dept.
5Yy 4117, i City of Plymouth
Hennepin Count
Michael K., Brandt
Dept. of Environment and Energy
320 Washington Ave
Hopkins, MN 55343
Ph. 935-3381
Plvmouth Park and Recreation Commission
John Mullan
11845 28th Ave N
Plymouth, MN 55441
Phe 559-9205, 332-0421
Plymouth Park and Recreation Commission
Steve Chesebrough.
3615 Evergreen lane N
Plymouth, MN 55441
Ph 559-0059, 540-7146
DNR
fa—ren Loechler
tro Region Headquarters
1200 Warner Road
St. Paul, MN 55106
Ph- 296-3572
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CITY OFPLYMOUTH
3400PLYMOUTH BLVD., PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 5544.1
TELEPHONE (612) 535-2800
DATE: December 2, 1982 MEMO
TO. James G. Willis, City Manager
FROM: Eric Blank, Director, Park and Recreation Dept.
SUBJECT: Medicine Lake Task Force
I believe that the City Council should give further direction and thought
to the goal and purpose of the Medicine Lake Task Force. Below I have
outlined some of the thoughts which the Council may wish to consider
in their discussion:
Because of the. lack of any clear cut data showing a problem in such things
as surface water use, water quality, etc.., on Medicine Lake, I believwl the
real purpose of this first task force should be to undertake the development
of a monitoring system which would use the resources of the local citizens,
Hennepin County, the Park Reserve District, the DNR, the C,ty of Plymouth,
and the City of Medicine Lake to gather and analyze data on the lake itself
through the first year of operation of the Hennepin County Regional Park.
I believe the committee should set, up the framework for monitoring and
keeping data on such items as a) water quality, b) weed growth, c) lake
safety, d) number and types of boats that are docked on the Lake, e) scope
of non -conforming uses such as private boat rental and launch facilities,.
f) public access to the lake, g) litter from lake users --all seasons,
h) ice fishing access and i) snowmobile use,
If the Council or task force is able to, identify a problem at this time,
then they should be able to move ahead and work toward a solution for
that problem. Because of the lack or clear cut 6ata that would reflect
any known problems to me at this time, I think that the overall role of
the committea should be limited to the assigning of specific research
and data analysis to all members of the task force team and the periodic
review of that ,material over the next 12 to 18 months.
Currently, members that have agreed, or been assigned to the task force
include Marty Jessen from the Hennepin. County Park Reserve District,
Luther Nelson from the Hennepin County Department of Environment and
Energy, a staff member from Bar Engineering_ representing the Bassettt
Creek Flood Control Commission, Bob Scribner representing AMLAC,
John Mullan and Steve Chesebrough representing PRAC, and Karen Locher,
the regional officer for the DNR. I have not had a response from Mayor
Neal Sorenson, City of Medicine Lake, with their appointment.
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The. Council may wish to consider making other appointments to the task force
to represent other interest areas. The AMLAC association suggested appoint-
ments may be considered from the Chippewa Trails homeowners' association
which is nota member of the AMLAC association at this time and/or one or
two other small areas around, the lake not represented by AMLAC. The Medicine
Lake Sail Club, wind surfer clubs and the Bass Fishermen Association are
examples of other groups which may be interested in working on this taskforce. I think that the Council may wish to consider the appointment of one
citizen -at -large to the committee.
If the Councilprovides direction on this matter on December 6, it would be
my plan to initiate the first meeting of this group sometime in late- December
and that subsequent meetings to put in place all of the framework for the
monitoring and study, etc., would be completed prior to May 15, 1983.
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Pursuant to due call aid notice thereof, a regula r - meting -of the City Council of
Plymouth, City of Plouth, Minnesota, was held ontlW-7t dor of May 19 $Z
The following members were present: Mawr Davenoart, .ouncilmembers en, Neits,
5rbpojoag wnd 2hrainon- -
he following Viers were absent: npn! .
cnuqcil mbgr Thr inen_ Introduced the following Resolution and moved its
adoption:
RESOLUTION NO. 82-235
APPROVING A. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE HENNEPIN COUNTY PARK RESERVE DISTRICT FOR
DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATION OF MEDICINE LAKE REGIONAL PARK (82019)
WHEREAS, the Hennepin County Park Reserve District has requested approval of a
Conditional Use Permit to develop and operate the Medicine Lake Reoional. Park located
south of County Road 9, east of West Medicine Lake 'Road and north of Medicine Lake:
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WHEREAS, the Planning Commission has reviewed the matter at a duly called Public
Hearing and has recommended approval;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT HEREBY RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PLYMOUTH,
MINNESOTA, that it should and hereby does approve the request of the Hennepin County
Park Reserve District for a Conditional Use Permit to develop and operate the
Medicine Lake Regional Park located south. of County Road 9, east of West Medicine
Lake Road and north of Medicine Lake subject to the following conditions:
1. This permit is issued based on the 1982 Development Master Plan and includes
approvai of Phase I, as outlined in Mr. Don King's memo of Match 30, 1982.
Site plan approval will be required for subsequent phases of development.
2. Access to the. Park shall be from County Road 9 and shall be constructed with
Phase 1. Intercharige design shall be reviewed by the City Engineer and the
Hennepin County Highway Department, and approved by the City Council.
3. The temporary access to the boat launching site on 36th Avenue North shall
be limited to October 1, 1983 or until the permanent read to County Road 9
is built, whichever comes first, and it shall be posted by signage as such.,
4. A cul: -de -sac shall be constructed .at the west end of 36th Avenue North with
the Phase I development.
3. A physical barrier such as a fence shall be maintained to prohibit vehicular
access from 36th Avenue North after October 1, 1983 or after the permanent
road from County Road 9 is built, whichever comes first.
6. The applicant shall, petition the City to vacate all existing street rights-
of-way within the Park boundaries.
7. All existing municipal utilities ahll be conveyed to the applicant who shall
assume ownership and maintenance responsibility for them.
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8. Appropriate metering facilities for both water and sanitary sewer shall be
constructed at the Park boundary near 36th !Avenue North as approved by theCityEngineer.
9. All parcels within the Park boundaries shall be consolidated into a single
parcel after completion of the tot=1 property acquisition.
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10. Any signs visible beyond the Park boundaries shall. conform to City Ordinance
standards.
11. The Park shall be maintained in a sanitary manner and all waste disposal
facilities shall be stored in appropriate containers and enclosures.
12. The number of paved parking stalls for vehicles with boat trailers shall be
limited to 40, with 20 unpaved stalls for overflow to be traded and seeded
as per the approved plan. Paving of the overflow parking area will be
determined after the "management envelope" study is completed.
13. Screening ,plans shall be prepared for those areas with external impacts to
adjacent land uses per City screening, requirements; the City Council will
take- note of any agreements that may be reached between the Mission
Partnership and Hennepin County Park Reserve District, regarding buffering.
14. The Hennepin County Park Reserve District shall, work with the cities of
Plymouth and Medicine Lake, the Department of Natural Resources, and other
appropriate agencies, including affected homeowners associations-, to develop
a "mana9ement envelope" plan for the lake, to include: protection of
spawning areas, Mater quality, regulations of motorized craft, use by
non -motorized craft, hours of boat launch operations, and safety.
15. The trail system within the park linking to the Regional City trail systems
should be consistent with the City's Trail System Plan (approved February
22, 1962).
The motion for adoption of the foregoing Resolution was duly seconded by
ggUn;jlmember Moen and upon vote being taken thereon,, t
rolloftng voted nfavor t_ reo : M enpbt-Imembers Moen, Neil&,
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hereupon the Resolution was declared duly passed M 213ptM.
CITY OF PLYMOUTH
3400 PLYMOUTH BLVD.. PLYMOUTH, MINNESOTA 55441
TELEPHONE (612) 559.2600
QATE: January 11, 1983 MEMO
TO: Medicine lake Task Force Committee
FROM:, Erin Blank, Director, Park and Recreation Dept.
SUBJECT: ' First Meeting
I have scheduled the first meeting of the Medicine Lake Task Force
for Tuesday, December 28, at 7:00 p.m. at the Plymouth City Center,
3400 Plymouth Blvd.
TENTATIVE AGENDA
1. Introduction of Committee
2. Selection of Recorder
3. Background Information
4. General Discussion
5. Assignment of Research or Work Projects as may be necessary
5. Set Next.Meeting Date and Time
7. Adjourn Meeting at 9:00 p.m. "
Please RSVP your attendance with Nancy at 559-2800 x 266 by noon
on Monday, December 27.
nh
cc: City Manager
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MEDICINE LAKE MANAGEMENT TASK FORCE
January 11, 7 po
Plymouth City Hall
Task Force Members Present:
Eric Blank
Steve Chesebrough
Bob Scribner
Karen Loechler
Virg Schneider
Luther Nelson
Dennis Erickson
John Mullan'
Marty Jessen
Earl Bancroft
Task Force Members Absent:
None
1., Introduction of Committee
The Task Force members present introduced themselves and who theyrepresented.
2. Selection of a Recorder
Eric Blank requested that Marty Jessen record the appropriate
minutes from the reetino.
3. Background Information
Eric Blank reviewed various matters related to Pl•ymouth's establishingtheTas% Force. In 1975 Plymouth approved the purchase of Medicine
Lake Regional Park by the Hennepin County Park Reserve District. In
1982 the City Council approved a conditional use permit for the District
to develop the park per the master plan they presented. One of the
requirements of that conditional use permit was that the City wouldestablishthistaskforcetolookatthequestionoftheimpactof
the park on Medicine Lake and analyze and monitor the need for water
use management regulations.
Blank distributed copies of the December 2, 1982 memo that he had
prepared for the Plymouth City Council which Clarified the charge tothetaskforce. In summarizing that memo, Blank said that the purpose
is essentially to monitor and review what is happening as a result oftheparkdevelopment, to identify potential problems and to analyze
potential solutions to problems if they develop.
Other pieces of information distributed to each member of the task
force included:
A copy of the City's Park System Plan map
A street base map for the City of Plymouth
A memo to Metropolitan Area government officials from
Karen Loechler regarding the cooperative program.
providing public access sites on metropolitan area lakes
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A memo from Arnie Stefferud to the lake Minnetonka Task Force
from the Surface Use Committee
Fish Management Report No. 24 from the Minnesota Department of
Natural Resources that contains information regarding Medicine Lake.
4. General Discussion
Blank opened the meeting to general discussion regarding the taskforcework, any additional background information, and. general
Comments by the members. Luther Nelson asked if there was a
particular product expected of the task force. Blank responded that
he assumed the product at this point would be just ongoing monitoringandidentificationofproblemsandofferingpotentialsolutions, but
that the City Council expectedno bound report on Medicine Lake atthispoint.
There was considerable discussion about boat capacity as planned forthelake, including the public access at the regional park and ast
experience. Jessen reviewed the Park Reserve District's program for
operating the launch at the regional park, including the capacity for60boatswithtrailers. Scribner referred to a time ten years ago
when he observed as many as 113 boats and trailers at the East. MedicineLakebeach, before the City closed the access there. Scribner said.
that the majorityofthose boats were large power boas, not fishing
or non-pow?r craft and that there was a marked increase in this type
of boat traffic when the Lake Minnetonka Conservation District set
their 40 mph speed limit on Lake Minnetcika. Jessen indicated that the
District research information indicated that there would be a fairlyhighpercentageoffishingboatsutilizingMedicineLakeaccess,
thus the figure of 60 car/trailer spaces was arrived at rather than onecar/trailer space per 20 acres of surface water.
Nelson sug9ested that one of the monitoring techniques to be used wouldbeasurveyoftheentirelakeatoneparticularpointandtime, or a
snapshot" of how many boats are on the lake and what they are doing atanygivenmomentand, further, how many boats gained access from variouslocations, be it the park, Harty's or landowners. Lochler indicated that
the Lower St Croix Commission had information about this technique andNelsonindicatedthattheLakeMinnetonka. Conservation District haddonelikewise.
Another major area of discussion was that of enforcement. Schneider
asked how much the Hennepin County Sheriff's Water Patrol would be presentonMedicineLakegiventhenewaccessandseveralpeopleindicatedthat
the Sheriff's Patrol had not been there much in the past. Nelson indicatedthat, without a•public access, the Sheriff's Water Patrol cannot legallyenforceanyregulationsorlawsonthewaterofMedicineLake. Nelson
also suggested that the two cities (Plymouth and Medicine Lake) might
Pass a common ordinance regarding careless and reckless behavior on thelake, a noise provision and other matters dealing with activity on thelake. It was suggested that any ordinance of this type might have to
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be approved by the County Board and in turn, by the Commissioner ofNaturalResources. Loechler will get a DNR interpretation regardingthismatterforasubsequentmeeting.
Loechler indicated that the DNR Conservation Officer will be presentaroundMedicineLakemorefrequentlyoncethepublicaccessisestablished. However, they will principally be enforcing such provisions of the law astherequirementtolicenseboatsandfishlimits, etc.
Blank suggested that the Park Reserve District might prepare a map tohandtoboatersusingthepublicaccessthatwouldshowthelocation of theCity's beaches, shallow water areas and other things that might affectthewayinwhichtheyuseMedicineLake.
Discussion then turned to the matter of water quality and Earl Bancroft
from Barr Engineering reported that the Bassett Creek Flood Control
Commission began monitoring water quality in 1912 and has done so
annually four or five times per year during the open water season sincethen. 1982 was one of the worst years on record as it relates to water
quality "for no apparent reason"._in that there were no more boats on thelake, there was not unusually high water or any other reason that would
specifically explain the poor quality. Further, the lake has generallybeengraduallydeteriorating, principally because of urban run-off in the
watershed. The problems of Medicine Lake and the entire Bassett CreekWatershedarenon -point source problems, that is they are not caused bysewersystemoutlets, but rather, urban runoff. W.ays
to address the problem of deteriorating water quality are typically referredtoas "good housekeeping" techniques and include the following:
The gathering of all leaves in the fall to reduce nutrient
runnoff into the lake
Applying the correct rates of.the proper fertilizer
Regular and often street sweeping
Test data has included phosphorus, nitrogens, Secchi disk readings, dissolved oxygen profiles and temperature profiles.
Earl Bancroft reported further that the Bassett Creek Flood Commission.
has studied alternatives for improving water quality at Medicine Lake
for purposes of putting together clean water qrant funding application. Their application was rated about 70th in the Metropolitan Area, principallyduetothelackofpublicaccesstothelake. Currently, no federal
dollars are available for clean water projects.
The Bassett Creek Flood Control Commission does not have an overall
water management plan and a plan of that .tyre would likely take morethanayeartocomplete. He su99ested that one thinq that might be
done in the short term would be to install navigation buoys to mark
shallow water areas so that boaters would go at low speed, to reduce
the churning up of the bottom of the lake.
4. Continued
The matter of adjoining land uses wasalsodiscussed. Particularly,
Harty's non -conforming use permit situation. There was a question
raised as to whether or not Harty's is violating this permit in the
manner of mooring boats in excess of boats permitted, charging for
public launching and expansion of the business for which the non-
conforming use permit was originally granted. Further, Scribner
reported that Harty has, in fact, filled in the lake in one area to
create additional parking to support the boat mooring business that
is conducted there.
5. Assignment of research and work projects
The following assignments were discussed. Scribner indicated that
ANLAC might be available to take the "snapshot" or instantaneous survey
of lake use as suggested. The Hennepin County Park Reserve District
will discuss with the Sheriff's Water Patrol, routine patrolling of
Medicine Lake and the access.
The Park Reserve District will also investigate the possibility of
maps indicating sensitive areas of the Lake to be handed to boaters
at the public access.
DNR will provide additional information regarding fishing and fisheries
management programs at Medicine Lake.
DNR will get an interpretation of the leqal processes needed to adopt
any kind of ordinance governing the use of the water not surface
water zoning, per say, but rather nuisance ordinance provisions.
b Next meeting date and time
The next meeting of the task force*will be Thursday, January 27, at
7 p.m. at the Plymouth City Hall. The topic of the meeting will be
Enforcement on Medicine Lake, including discussion with representatives
from the Hennepin County Sheriff's Water Patrol and DNR regarding their
ability to enforce various provisions of the law and their plans to do
so during 1983. An additional item of discussion at the meeting will be
Water Quality Monitoring Program for 1983, of the Bassett Creek Flood
Control Commission.
7. Future meeting agendas will include:
iscussion of DNR's fiih stocking plans
The Hennepin County Park Reserve District research regarding
boating needs to be satisfied by Medicine Lake
Discussion of water quality improvement measures that might
be undertaken
The meeting adjourned at 9 p.m.
Medicine Lake Kanage ent Tisk Force Meeting
Thursday, January 27, 1983, 7.00-9:00 p.m.
Plymouth City Center
AGENDA
I. Review minutes..
2. Discussion of ordinances and other rules affecting water surface use.
a. Report by Karen Loechler about "who is the responsible agency?"..
b. Kim E}verum, DNR: Director of Boat and Water Safety.
c. Mike Grupa, Metro Region Enforcement Supervisor.
3. Representative of the Hennepin County Sheriff`a Water Patrol -
explanaticn of the water patrol's enforceme•:L program. What can
we expect in 1983?
4, Report from Earl Bancroft about the 1983 Water Quality Monitoring
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Motorized Canoe
Canoe
Fishing Boats
Floatation Devices
Ice boats
Pontoon Boats
Rowboats, Motorized
Rowbcwts
Runabouts
Sailboats
Wet Bikes
ili`nd Surfer
Water Skis (prs)
Hydroplane
Ski K tes
ontoon Planes
Snowmobiles
Ice Fishing House,
EQUIPMENT OWNED BY RESIDENTSINLAKES AREA
Projected
Households Having Per Household In Service Area
35 1.0 572
177 1.1 3085
241 l; 1 4198
165 1,3 4444
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37 1.0 591
70 1.2 1328
23 1,2 435
154 1.0 2442
70 1.2 1328
7 1.6 183`
3 1.3 50
2 1.5 57
12 1.4 267
2 1.5 57
1 1.0 19
136 1.3 4096
10 1,.0 153
MEDICINE LAKE MhNAGMT TASK FORCE METING
Jan:aary 27, 1983
7:00 p.m. , Plymouth City Hall
W TISK FDRCE H1EISEES PRESENT Eric Blank, Virg Schneider, Bob Scribner,
Steve Chesebrough, John Mullan, Dennis.
irickson, Earl Bancroft, (and Len Kraemer)
Karen Loechl er, darty Jessen.
TASK FORCE bEU5ERS AEMNI: Nike Brandt (representing Hennepin County)
G',1'STS FRESVIT: hike Grup , DNR Enforcement Supervisor, i'Etro
Region, Kim Elverur., Director of boat and.
Water Safety, ANR; Larry Peterson, Sgt.,.
N nnepin County Sheriff's Water Patrol and
Dave Ra3mussen, Hennepin County Sheriff's
Water Patrol
1,. REM" QE lylir UTES
The minutes of the .January 11 meeting Were acceptedwithout corrent or
addition.
Eric Blank briefly reviewed the purpose of the Task Force for the guests and
resource people Who were present, at the meeting, saying that the purpose has
to identify and study potential problems of use, Water quality, fishing and
other factors resulting from the public access being provided; to 'rledicine
Lake through the Regional Park.
2. DISCUSSION OF ORDIUAtCESS A'D OTHER RILES A_Fx CTINQ VITEF SLIP-rACF- USE
A. Remrt by Karen LoechIftr about i_4 the resnan it le_, a^_ems"
Loechler reported that she had investigated the questiory raised at
the last meeting about how surface, use regulations, can be put in
place for Medicine Lake in that itlies within two municipalities.
She indicated that twC p033 bllitles exist:
Bath coamunities can agree and approve the exact sane
ordnance
The County Board can approve an Ordinance
In either case, the Cormissioner of Natural Resources would
presumably approve the regulation, provided it were consistent with
the rules the Commissioner published to guide in the developrnent of
such rules. Kim Elverum reported that, if the firs: option
bypassing Hennepin County) were taken, then the two local
coamunities Must also vibmit s plan to enforce the law. Whereas, if
the County Board submitted the plan, it would be assumed that the
County Sheriff were going to enforce the ordinance.
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PROJECTED PRESENT USER NUMBERS
IN LAKES AREA
Users Atilt. Occas!ons Tot.User Occasions
Swimmers 30,986 15 464,790
Fishermen 27.666 4 1i0,664
Canoe i :. ts: 13.833' 1.5 20,750
Boaters 14096 3 43,158
Skiers 9,960 3 29,880
Sailors 6,640 1.5 9.960
Wet bikers 1,660 1.5 2,490
Scuba divers 1,1.07 1.5 1,660
Wind Surfers 550 3 1,650
Boat racers 650 1.5 975
Trail users 13,201 3 39,603
Picnickers 184,440 3 553,320
Total Potential 305,079 1,278,900
Summer Users
Ice fishermen 12,173 1.5 18,260
Ice skaters 14,940 3 44,$20
Ice boaters 350 1.5 525
XC Skiers 8,853 1.5 13,280
Total Potential
Winter Users 36,316 76;884
Total Potential Users 341,395 1,335,784
B Kim Elve_rum. DSR D1QtQr of Boat and {dater SAWY, reviewed state
boating .laws and rules and indicated that there are three major
Provisions of these laWs that the DNR is responsible for, as
follows
Licensing of water craft requirements
Behavior b operational requirements
Lake surface use regulations
The Cortnissicner of Natural Resources has the authority to establish
ordinances and rules governing the use of the public waters in the
state. '1'h13 is true of all lakes except Lake Minnetonka and White
Sear, where local conservation districts have the legislative
authority to adopt their own laws without DUR approval.
One particular provision Of the law requires that. DNR respond to
counties, if asked, to establish rules. This is generally a slow
and costly process and, as a result, D(JR has used it principally on
Waters that constitute s3 state boundary or waters that cross into
multiple counties..
A second provision bf the state law allows counties and cities to
adopt their own rules and submit their, to the DNR for the
Corr issioner's approval. Three lakes in Plymouth currently have
regulations of this type. They are Hadley Lake, Lcst Lake and
Mooney Lake. !bony Lake has not yet been approved by the
commissioners, whereas the other two were. In 1982 DNR compiled all
of the ordinances and lake regulations that apply to the various
public waters in the state, so as to get a complete record of the
type and extent of such regulations. The Departrent's position i5
that local units of government must initiate and approve the
regulations and submit them to DGR for the Commissioner'sissioner's approval,
rather than the department going out and setting regulations for
local units of government..
Elverum reviewed the various types of regulations that can be
established. He also reviewed, for the task force, the document
that outlined the conditions that need to be assessed in setting
lake reslations and the process they recornend for local corriurities
to follow. In summary, he suggested that any ordinance governing
use of public waters must meet four criteria:
Accommodate all ca-npatible uses
Minimize adverse natural resource impacts
Minimize user conflicts
Conform to DNR lake regulation standards
C. R keGrWR . Metro Region Enforcemgnt Sunbrvierr, reviewed DNR's
enforcement program in the Metropolitan region, saying that there
are eleven officers currently in the complement Within the
Metropolitan area, three of whom work in Hennepin County. Kathy
Nayes is the officer responsible for the area including Medicine
Lake. Conservation officers are dispatched through the Highway
Patrol number and are also on call wan they are hone.
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Lake: RESIDENTS USING; LAKES BY ZONE)
ALL 1 2 3 4 5 6
i. Minnetonka 27.8' 1 20 21 Z6 32 17
2.: Medicine 22.4 17 17 33 19 41 tZ
3. Calhoun 13..7 13 33 14 10 17 6
4. independence 1 i; 4 7 4 11, 9 14 7
5 Harriet 8.7 9 18 9 4 14 3
6. Eagle 7.1 7 9 17 4 9
7, Twin (Crystal) 7.0 it 12 13 8 4
8. Lake. of the Islas 6.0 5 20: 5 5 8
9. Cedar 4.9 7 21 4 8
10. Elm Creek 4.0, 4 15 9
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15. Sarah 1.7 2
16. Wirth 1.6 i3.
17. Mississippi River 1.4 6
18. Crystal 1.3 4 4
19.: Waconia, 8 '
20. Bass 7 3
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DhR's enforcement 13 centered around natural resource laws and State
statutes. These are principally in the areas of fishing, hunting_
and boating and snowmobilir+g. D14R is not responsible for enforcing
local lake use ordinances.
DNR does enforce public access regulations for OCce33e3 provided
directly by DNR. These include any violations regarding alcohol*
drugs, firearms, camping on an access, etc. These are enforced to
limit use of accesses for the purpose intended, and so that they not
become multi -use recreation areas. This particular enforcement
effort does not apply within barks and specifically not within the
Hennepin, County Park Reserve District Regional Park at Pledicine
Lake.
Grupe said that officers will be on the lake when the high
likelihood of violations exists. Specifically,,he would expect that
special. attention would be given. to the lake on weekends and
holiday3, and especially shortly after the opening of the new access
so as to establish an immediate presence. He: said that
recreationally, a lake seeks its own level in that the size and type
of Watercraft using the lake tends to be tempered by the volume of
traffic on the lake.
Grupe said that DUR's experience has led them to conclude that
Medicine Lake is one of the bigger litter -problem lakes in the
Metropolitan area, particularly as a result of snowmobil,ng and :the
fish house use in the winter time. He also said that Medicine Lake
3ee,73 'to attract a number of "party houses" during the ice fishinE
season. Conservation officers can enforce regulations for operating
snowraobil,es and boats while under the influencet but not cars once
the are out on the ice. Larry Peterson indicated that the Sheriff's
office does have the authority to enforce DVIviolations on the ice
surface.
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Dave Rasmussen reported that the 1959 Boat and Water Safety Act required
that County SheriffA establish enforcement programs on lakes within their
counties. The: Hennepin. County Sheriff's plater Patrol consists of three full
time deputies and 35 special deputies. (part-timers and volunteers) Their
fleet of boats consists of four, 0 -ft patrol boats and three, 16 -ft utility
boats'. The patrol is equippeed;and trained to handle violations and rescues..,
The patrol is assigned, based on their past experience and where they
anticipate there might be water use problems. They are assigned to lakes
where public access exists for the most part, although they have from time
to tfine gone out on lakes without public access. The Hennepin County
Sheriff's Water Patrol has enforced winter rules on Medicine Lake in the
post because ice fishing access has been no problem and they have had a
number of Conpl ei nts regardingng fish house breaki r* and snowmobile
violations.
R SMuasen indicated that they would attempt to schedule coverage basedon
requests from the City of Plymouth or the Hennepin County Park Reserve
FISH, EAGLE -PIKE, MEDICINE LAKE SURVEY
Surveys Surveys of
ZONE Mailed Returned Total Sample
1. N. Mpls.., Robbinsdale, 952, 208 21.8%) 17.3%
Brooklyn Center,
2. N. Mpls< 500 92 00%) 7.6
3., Brooklyn Center, Crystal, 900 237 26%) 19:7%
New Nope,, Robbinsdate
4, Brooklyn Park, Maple Grove, 550 144 26%) 12.0%
Osseo, Piymcuth(urban)'
5.. Golden Valley, Medicine Lake 550 197 35.8%) 16.4%
Minnetonka, Plymouth
6. Brooklyn Pari, Maple Grove, 575 161 28%) 13.4
Plymouth(rural)
7' Minnetonka, Plymouth, 584 164 28%) 13,6%
Wayzata
TOTAL SOIL 1203 2.4%) 100%
District. 9hey do have most of their crews out on weekends. Generally
their response time, if they are not regularly pwtrolling the lake, is
twenty minutes to one hour. They are not in service 24 hours per day,
however generally 16 hours per day.
Rasmussen indicated that motor vehicles on the ice during the winter season
caused Some special problems in that. only a very few conditions of the code
for driving an automobile on roads apply to operation on ice. lbese include
driving while under the influence and careless operations. Many others such
as an open bottle in the car, no license plates, etc., do not apply.
Rasmussen offered his opinion that if this is a deep water access, it will,
be full during peak times and the majority will be moderate to high-powered
runabouts. He expressed his opinion as looking for fishing activity to go
down and boating activity to go up when the sun is shining, partici arly
heavy times of use artlikelyto be Saturdays from noon until 9 p.m. and
Sundays until 7 or 8 p.m. Larry Peterson asked specifically how deep the
ramp would be and Jessen responded that it was relatively shallow because
this part of the lake is very shallow. RaMussen then indicated that this
would change considerably his forecast as to the potential n=naber of power
boats.
Peterson stressed the need to get a year's experience before setting up an
particular regulations to control use on Medicine Lake. He indicated that
the Sheriff's Patrol has experience with many other cities in drafting lake
regulations.
Schneider asked if the Sherr' s Department needs a "formal request" to
increase their patrol efforts. Peterson responded that a formal request was
not needed, that the water patrol would rake a special effort to be there
the first few weekends this summer to establish immediate presence.
Chesebrough asked what was meant by the first few weekends and Rasmusstn
responded that beginning in late May, but he also indicated that the
deputies would be present before then to look over the situation, get a feel
for her the launch would be operated in the park, etc.
Earl .Bancroft handed out infomation regarding; the 1983 schedule,for water
quality monitoring, and offered to alter the schedule somewhat once they
knew what the Park Reserve District monitoring plans were.
Bancroft reported that some informaton had been collected back as ear4y as
1972 regarding water quality at Medicine Lake, some collected every year and
Me less frequently. Plank asked if the effects of 60 boats on the 'lake
fm the public acxess would be observable immediately (in 1983). Bancroft
responded by saying probably not, although there might be some decrease .n
Seechi disk readings if there were a lot of "hot rodders" in shallow areas
churning up the bottom excessively. Loechler reported that studies the DNR
had indicated that just churning of the bottom was not particularly negative
to overall water quality. Elverum stated that tests in Michigan had shown
very little effect from oil and gss from outboard motors on overall lake
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Bancroft reiterated that the principal determinant of water Quality at
Medicine Lake is what is happening in the watershed -as it continues to
urbanize and stOM water runoff, fertilizer runoff from lawns, etc.
Len Kraemer reported that there is a proposal to relocate the outlet to
Medicine Lake to an area just south of South Shore Drive, near the railroad
tracks. The Corps of Engineers is requesting funding from Congress this
Session for construction of the new outlet and the Bassett Creek Flood
Control Cormission is working with them on design and engineering
specifications. The schedule is for construction to take place in 19f4.
Scribner questioned the location, indicating he felt two houses would be
flooded 83 a result of this location. Kraemer indicated that this would not
happen, based or the engineering work that had been done to date. He also
said Plymouth has a copy of the Corps' preliminary plan and that the. Colonel.
has requested comment on the plan by January 30 of 1983.
The next meeting will be held February 8, 1983.at 7 p.m.
It was agreed that the next agenda would consist of a report by the Hennepin
County Park Reserve District on its research regarding boating demand for
Medicine Lake and the District's master plan for development of Medicine
Lake Regional Park. In addition, the District was asked to present
information regarding its research data collection efforts for 1983
regarding the number and types of boats that will be using the access.
In additiono darty will be asked to discuss his operation and experience
regarding b; -t rentals and moorings on Medicine Lake.
DIT Will supply depth maps of Medicine Lake to all task force members at the
next meeting.
Future items su68ested were discussions with the Medicine, Lake Sailboat Club
regarding their membership, how many boats are moored on the lake, how often
they race, etc.
The meeting adjourned at 0:15 p.m.
TABLES 4. RESTRICTIONS/PROHIHIT'IONS SUGGESTED BY HOME0W.'OERS
Snowmobiling 29.2%
2 Boat Racing 28.0.
3. rioter Size/Speed 15.7%
4. Limit Access Use 14.0%
5. Opposed to Restrictions/Prohibitions 140
o. Ice Fishing 11.7°x,
7. Motor Boating 10.57
8. Water Skiing 9.3
9.. Airplanes 8.8%
i' 10. Miscellaneous 7.6%
11.. Wet Bikes 4.1
12, Motor Vehicles on. Ice 3.51%
13.. Zones; of Lake 2.3%
Medicine Lake Management Task Farce Meeting
Tuesday, February 8, 1983, 7:00-9:00 p.m.
Plymouth City Center
AGENDA
1. Harty's Boat Rental - Mr. Harty has been asked to brief the. Task. Force on
his boat rental operation.
2. Cennepin County Park Reserve District - boating demand research. Review
Park Master Plan.
3. DNR Supply depth maps of Medicine Lake.
4. Discuss how and who will be making lake use counts during 1983.
5. Set agenda for February 24 meeting.
MEDICINE LAKE MANAGE14ENT TASK FORCE
February 8, 1983, 7:00 p.m.
Plymouth City Hall
IA3K FORCE MEMBERS PRESENT: Eric Blank, Steve Chesebrough, Bob
Scribner, John 'Mullan, Dennis Erickson,
Virg Schneider, Mike Brandt, Marty
Jessen
TA5K FORCB MEMBERS ABSENT: Karin Loerhler, Earl Bancroft
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Blank at 7:08.
HARMS BOAT RENTAL
Mr. Darty was not present at the meeting, but had a letter delivered
by Bob Scribner. The letter expressed concern over the prospect of
hydroplanes launching through the park public access.
2. HMEETn COUNTY P,!_RK RESERVE DISTRICT BOATING DEMAN
Barb Fisher, Research Assistant for the Park Reserve District,
presented the findings of studies done by the District in planning
for Medicine Lake_ Regional Park. She indicated that three type: o.f
research were done during the course of this planning.
A. A Fish Lake, Eagle, Pike Lake and Medicine Lake regional survey.
This effort Was aimed at determining demand within a geographical
area surrounding the lake, as well as determining the
characteristics of the people residing there and their general,
recreational interests.
B. An on-site Atudy of Medicine Lake. Done in 1980, this study
consisted of observation of various types of activity that tool;
place on the lake during that year.
C.g homeowneCls survey, A questionnaire was mailed to all of the
houses abutting the lake in an attempt to secure their opinions
about Future lake Use.
Fisher also said that a post -construction evaluation would be done
after the park wasdeveloped and operating, to determine how users
felt about the development and to $et information as to what could be
done to further improve the park.
Fisher reported that the regional survey cons13ttd of a randon, sample
of 79,500 households within the regional service area. This area was
broken down into seven zones, with each of the zone: represented in
the survey. A total of 1203 surveys were reLurned, (out of 5,011
mailed) or approximately 24 percent, which is an average figure for a
survey of this type without any follow-up to encourage people to
complete the questionnaire. The objective of this study was to
identify water-based recreational needs within the region.
There was a high rate of return by those people who resided closest
to Medicine Lake and a relatively lower rate of return for those from
near North Minneapolis. Of those who responded, Medicine Lake was
the second most popular lake for existing water-based recreational
use, with 22 percent of those responding saying they use Medicine
Lake. The most popular was Lake Minnetonka, with 28 percent. The
recreation activities most often participated in were: 1 - fishing, 2
swimming, 3 ice fishing, 4 - power boatin6. (attached are copies
of the various overheads that Fisher used in her Presentation, which
indicate the results of the study.)
Fisher said that, fused on the information from this study, it is
projected that 1.2 million plus user occasions would occur at
Medicine Lake Regional Park.
The on-site portion of the research consisted of three people making
observations during 15 weekend days and 20 weekdays, during the
summer of 1980. The three observers were located at the District
property on the north end of the lake and Plymouth's east and west
beach areas toward the south end. Fisher distributed copies of the
weekend activity chart, which showed a ver high peak of sailboat use
during the early afternoon, a fairly high and consistent pattern of
fishing use all day long and a fairly low incidence of water skiing
activity. She stressed that this was an average of all the weekend
days surveyed, including poor weather days and those early and late
in the season.
The homeowner's study consisted of 424 surveys mailed to the first
line of private property owners surrounding Medicine Lake. (Thus
people living east of East Medicine Lake Road received the surveys as
did those 10ying immediately west of Nest Medicine Lake Road, even
though they might not have lakeshore property ownership.) A total of
171 surveys were returned. Fisher distributed a copy of thn ",alts
of this study. She pointed out that a significant number c !,(;,male
responding felt that there was "considerable use to too much use1° of
Medicine Lake on weekends during the summer and winter, whereas
during the remainder of the year it was felt there was, "little or no
use to moderate use." Fisher also pointed out that 29 percent of
those responding thought there ought to be some restrictions or
prohibitions on snowmobiling, and 28 percent felt there ought to be
restrictions or prohibitions on boat racing. On the other hand, 14
percent were opposed to restrictions or prohibitions generally.
Marty Jessen reviewed the master plan for development of Medicine
Lake Regional Park, indicating that there are three phases of
development to fully implement the plan.
Phase I Consists of, the lakefront development which is currently
under construction. It involves the; construction of a park
access road from County Road 9 to the lakefront area,
beach, picnic area, concession building, boat rental
building an.d remote parking lot and shuttle service to
transport park users from the parking lot to the beachfront.
area.
Phase II Will consist of further development on the east side of
the bay, extending, north from Medicine Lake. This will
con3i3t primarily of trail development and additional,
picnic acilities, plus a water play area that will provide
better quality swimming opportunities than are available in
the lake in the Phase I development.
Phase III - Will, consist of a reservation picnic are2 and tral
development on the west side of the bay.
In addition, the District is considering remodeling and expansion of
the former Begin House to serve as District Headquarters offices and
proposing to construct a District maintenance, shop across old County
Road 9, but south of the proposed New County- 9, within Medicine Lake
Regional Park.
Jessen reported that the District has constructed 40 boat and trailer
parking spaces in the Phase I development, which will be paved with
an additional 20 spaces of overflow unpaved parking space. I't is
anticipated that much of the lake use will be fishing and non -power
boating. The Di -strict intends to limit the number of trailers and
cars parking in the park to the capacity of the lot and overfow
60). The launch area being constructed will have a water depth of
approximately 3 to 4 feet at the ramp, but will rise to a depth of
only 2 feet out from the ramp, thus large boats will not be able to
easily launch through this access.
DNR WILL SUPPLY DEPTH_ HAPS OF MEDICINE LE
The DNR representative was not present at the meeting. Blank will
contact Karen Loechler to have maps available at the next meeting.
Fisher reported that the District's 1983 use monitoring program at.
Medicine Lake would consist of random sample observation by research
staff, gate counts from the attendant who will attend the boat
access, and information provided by the park rangers as a result of
their routine patrol of the area. The specifics of the plan have not.
been fully developed, but a combinaton of the three tecniyues will be
employed.
Jessen agreed to present more detailed information about the
District's use monitoring plans at the next meeting so that others on
the task force might also participate in this effort. Blank offered
to have Plymouth lifeguards do counts from the east and west beach
areas at specified times if' the District would provide the necessary
program outline and training..
The :next meeting will be held on Thursday, February 24 at 7:00 p.m.
at tie Plymouth City Hall. Blank suggested the following as
potential agenda items:
A park tour and drive around the lake
Presentation by Tom Harty
1983 Use Monitoring
Medicine Lake Sail Club
DNR Report On Fishing in Medicine Lake
Identification of any "clear cut problems"
Scribner suggested that he and others in AMLAC felt that 60 boats is
just too many to put on Medicine Lake through the public access in
the regional park. He said they are concerned with safety of lake
users and the impact of 60 additional boats on user safety. John
Mullan said he feels the public has every right to 60 spaces in that
Medicine Lake is public water. He feels that the sail club ought to
be involved in an upcoming meeting to dicuss their race schedule and
the problems that it creates on lake utilization by otters.
Scribner responded by saying he feels the 60 trailer parking spaces
exceeds the standard for lakes the size of Medicine Lake as
recommended by DNR. Schneider responded that he feels that these
standards are applicable for unattended accesses such as the type DNR
provides elsewhere in the state. He feels the District has committed
to carefully managing and regulating the as. -cess so that it will work
Well and feels that makes a considerable difference in the capacity
of the lake, particularly when many of the users are expected to be
fishermen and non -power boats.
Chesebrough suggested that what we need is a year of experience in
order to determine if the capacity of the public access is too high.
He suggested further that this would be one of the principal topics
for the task force to dicuss when it reconvenes next fall.
Chesebrough suggested that, inasmuch as the next meeting would be the
last of the task force for now, that it needed to include on the
agenda a summary of actions to be taken by the various parties over
the summer so that when the task force does reconvene in the fall, we
have a meaningfull point of beginning.
It Was agreed that the agenda for the next meeting would be
A - Presentation by Tom. Harty
B - Discussion with the sail club
C - Report by Barr Engineering, representing Basset Creek.
Flood Control Commission on further status of the
crops project to relocate the outlet of Medicine Lake
B Hennepin County Park Reserve District 1983 use
monitoring program
E Summary of actions to be taken over the summer by
various parties
6. MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 27 ME£TII Q
The minutes were accepted without comment or addition.
7. ADJ °IIJffU
The meet ig adjourned at 9:15 p.m.
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MEDICINE LAKE RECREATI(A INTEREST STUDY
HENNEPIN COUNTY PARK RESERVE DISTRICT
As you way know, the Hennepin Country Park Reserve District will be developing
a regional park on Medicine lake. To assist the Park Reserve District in planning
a faciiity which will batt meet thw needs of the people it will serve, we are seek-
ing information about the recreation interests of the people who live on the lake.
We would appreciate it if you and members of your household wound take a few minutes
to complete this survey. Your Input is Important and needed for effective planning.
When YOU have completed the questionnaire place it in the self-addressed, postage -
paid envelope and drop it in the mail. Thanks W advance for your time and help!
r I yr a 13.416 T-9 tir = is.
I. Ilow long have you lived on Medicine Lake? YEARS
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4 Lyr 'a 4A ale 16-Iqr oyzq.`7 I. 2. 00 you own or rent your residence! 84.2 GOWN I:5 RENT ZO.Ir s ,3 •l0
3. Would you please describe your reasons for deciding to live on Medicine lake.
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4. Now important do each of the following considerations contribute to your living on ANY lake?
otease 0,4ute the numbeA kick but 4ep4esen.te the degaee o6 .impo&tancc, 0 6" not impottant
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OF NO OF SOME VERY
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AtILiTY TO USE THE
LAKE FORRECREATION °
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RESALE VALUE OF
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SOCIAL STATUS OF
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4A. What other reasons for living on a lake are of importance to you?
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S. In your opinion, how busy has Medicine Lake been In the past few seasons?
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SUMMER
WEEKDAYS
WEEKENDS
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6. In the col ~ labeled "AGE"In the table below, list the ages of all people living In your
hour\Joid during the past year.
Record in the table below the NUMBER OF TIMES IN THE PAST 12MONTHSeach of the people
fisted in Question 4 participated in each of the activities CN 0101tINE LAKE ONLY.
If the activities in which Your household participated are not listed, please list then
under "OTHER".
0. Neat, place an "x" in the table fnr each activity any of the persons listed has not
participated in 8UT MOULD LIKE TO in the near future.
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9, for each of the activities
listed across the page,
indicate how you gain access
to the lake on which you live.
That is, do you gain access
through.
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2. aneighbor's propert;, 0,7 0.7 L.(e O' 2.3
3. ...a neighborhood facility ,% z•( 0 17,
4. ...a public facility 3 2 f 5
5. ,..,other (ptextet etptatn)
13.6 4.4 7•9 9.! f.(o
6. DONITHATTACTIIVITY'ATE IN
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10. Which activities have you or .16
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aeabsrs of your housthotd J oe acs e;
Participated in during the a
Post year at areas other than :\ \h
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11. Should *my of the activitles listed be restricted or prohibited on Medicine Lake?
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12. ielow is A list of water craft types and other equipment that may be used on Medicine
Lake. Would you please indicate the total number of each type of water craft and other
equipment that is docked or put in at Medicine Lake from your residence.
WATER CRAFT/ EQUIPMENT
canoe, motorized
MOIL MANY?
l.7
canoe, nonmotorized 2q.Z
floatation device (raft,atc.) 9,9
Ice boat 1.7
pontoon boat 24.9
towboat, Motorized 36.4a
rowboat, nonmutoriz*d A0.4j
runabout 28. L
sailboat 2G•3
13. Listed below are facilities
which you could have on your
lake front property. Please
check the box in the column
that best describes your
property.
Facilities: yo%
WATER CRAFT/ EQUIPMENT MOW MANY?
snowmobile Iq•3
wet bike
wind surfer
water ski's (pairs)
sp 7J
racing boat. hydroplane ID -(p
ski kite 0•Y
pontoon plane 040
other (please describe)
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swimming beach 33.la tQ• 4.3
swimming platform
boat dock sp 7J Z. n
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boat hoist 3.0 1 17.
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ice fishing house 15.$ t, t9. j
ice skating rink Z7.5 26 51.4
other (please describe)
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14. Do you have any comiwnts or suggestions pertaining to the development of facilities,
use, etc, at Medicine Lake?
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That's all the questions we have. When you have completed the questionnaire, please
return it to us in the enclosed postage -paid envelope. If you have any questions
about this survey, please call the Park Reserve District's Research Section at 477-4333.
Thanks for your help!!
TABLE 1. MOTIVATIONS FOR LIVING AT MEDICINE LAKE
1. Natural Resource 106 %.
2. Location or Orientation of Residence 78 %
3. Available Activities 72.5%
4. Peace, Quiet, Serenity 42
5. Miscellaneous 35_.67.
6. Family 6 Other People 21.6%
7. Real. Estate 14.6%
8. Past Experiences 11.77.
9. Condo/Apts. 4.0%
TABLE 2. AGE OF HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS
PreTeens;
Teens
Young Adults
Middle Age
Senior Citizen
11.7% .
9.1%
29.1%
35.9%
1.4.2%
TABLE 3. PERCENTAGES OF PRESENT AND POTENTIAL ACTIVITY PARTICIPATION
Present Potential ..
Swimming 61 5.6
Fishing 52 5.1
Ice .Skating 43.1 7.9
Motor Boating 39.9 4.4
Canoeing/Rowing 33.3 7.5
Ice Fishing 27.7 5.1
Water Skiing 26.6 4.0
Sailing 26.3 8.9
Snowmobiling 19.6 2.7
Ice Boating 3.5 2.6
Boat Racing 3.3 1.0
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Wet Biking 1.9 1.6
Scuba Diving 1.5 3.0
Wind Surfing 1.2 5.4
Flying (Float Plane) 0.7 2.8
TAB'rr 4. RESTRICTIONS/PROHIBITIONS SUGGESTED BY HOMEOWNERS
1. Snovmobiling 29.2% .
2. Boat Racing 280:
3. Motor Size/Speed 15.7%
4.; Limit Access Use 14.0%
5. Opposed to Restrictions/Prohibitions 14.0%
Via. Ice Fishing 11.7,%;
7. Motor Boating 10.5%
8. Water Skiing 9.37
9. Airplanes 8.8%
10: Miscellaneous 7.6%
lx. Wet Bikes; 4.1%
12. Motor Vehicles on ice: 3.5ra
13. Zones of Lake 2.3*
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FISH, EAGLE -PIKE, MEDICINE LAKE SURVEY
Surveys of
Returned M Total Sample
208 (2.1.8%) 17.3%
92 (10%) 7.6%
237 (26%) 19.7%
144 (26%) 12.0%
197 (35,8%) 16.4$.
161 (2.8%) 13.4%
164 (28%) 13.6%
1203 (24%) 100%
Surveys.
ZONE Mailed
1. N. Mpls., Robbinsdale, 952
Brooklyn Center
2. N. Mpls. 900
3. Brooklyn Center, Crystal, 900
New Hope, Robbinsdale
4. Brooklyn Park, Maple Grove, 550
Osseo, Plymouth(urban)
5. Golden Valley, Medicine Lake 550
Minnetonka, Plymouth
6: Brooklyn Park, Maple Grovc, 575
Plymouth(rural)
7. Minnetonka, Plymouth, 584
Wayzata
TOTAL 5011
Surveys of
Returned M Total Sample
208 (2.1.8%) 17.3%
92 (10%) 7.6%
237 (26%) 19.7%
144 (26%) 12.0%
197 (35,8%) 16.4$.
161 (2.8%) 13.4%
164 (28%) 13.6%
1203 (24%) 100%
Where Residents Now Go For Water-based Recreation
lake Minnetonka, 335 2$10
I. Medicine lake 270 22%)
3. lake Calhoun 165 OW
4. Independence 138 11%)
5, lake. Harriet 105 9%)
6. Eagle lake 86 7b)
7. Twin lakes (Crystal.) 85 7%)
8. take of the Isles 73 6%)
5. Cedar Lake 59 5%)
10. Elm Creek Swimming rend 48 40"0
11. Fish lake 44 4%)
12. Weaver lake 35 0%)
13. lake: Nokomis 30 2.%)
14. lake Rebecca 21 2e)
i5, lake Sarah 20 2%)
16. Wirth 19 2%)
17. Mississippi River(other than Coon Rapids Dam) 17 0%)
18. Crystal lake (Crystal) 16 0%)
19. Lake. Waconia 10 1b)
2.0. Bass lake 9 1b)
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WHERE RESIDENTS NOW GO
FOR WATER-BASED RECREATION
Lake t RESIDENTS USING LAKES BYZONE)
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ALL 1' 2 3 4 5 6 7
1. Minnetonka 27.8 12 20 21 26 32 17 68
2. Medicine 22.4 17 17 33 19 41 12 7
3.. Calhoun 13.7 13 33 14 10' 17 6 10
4. Independence 11.4 7 4 11 9 14 7 2E
5. Harriet 8.7 9 18 9 4 14 3 6
Eagle 7.1 7 9 17 4 9
7. Twin (Crystal) 7.0 11 12 13 8 4
8. Lake, of the Isles 6.0 5 20 5 5 4
9, Cedar 4.9 7 21 4 8
10._ Elm Creek 4.o 4 15 9
11. Fish 3.5 4 4 7 9
12. Weaver' 2.9 3 7 9
13. Nokomis 2.5 4 12 3
14. Rebecca 1.7 5
15. Sarah 1.7 2 3
16. Wirth 1.6 13
17`. Mississippi River 1.4 6
18. Crystal 1.3 4 4
19. Waconia 8
20. Bass 7 3
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Primary Activities At Lakes
Lake Activities
t st 2nd 3rd 46
Minnetonka Fish boat Swim mater Ski
Medicine Fish Swum lce Fish Boat
Calhoun: Trails Swim; Canoe Fish
Independence Swim Picnic Fish Boat
N,arriet Trails Swim, Fish
Eagle; Fish Ice Fish Swim Boat
Twin Swim Fish Boat Picric
Isles Trails Canoe Picnic Concerts/Shaws
Cedar Swim Tral'ls Fish Canoe
Elm Creek Swim Trails Picnic
Fish Fish Swim Picnic Snowmobile
Weaver Shim Fish Picnic Boat
Nokomis Swim Trails Fish R & R
Rebecca Swim Picnic Trails R & R/Canoe
Sarah Fish Picnic Ice Fish
Wirth Fish Swim Picnic Trails
Mississippi River Fish boat Canoe Swim/Ski
Crystal Fish R Canoe. Tra i:1, s
Waconia Fish Swim ice. Fish Snowmobile.
Bass Fish boat Swim
Relaxation, casual activities in the park
Rank Order of Activities EnaaRed in Outside of Service Area
Weighted Scale
1. Swimming 27'
2. Fishing 25
3. Trails (Hard Surface) 20
4. Picnicking il,
5. Canoeing
6. Motor Boating 4
PROJECTED PRESENT USER NUMBERS
1N LAKES AREA
Users Avg. Occasions Tot -User _Occasions
Swimmer;, 30,986 15 464,790
Fishermen 27.666 4 11.0,664
Canoeists 13,833 1.5 20,750
Boaters 14,386 3 43,158
Skiers 9,960 3; 29,880
Sailors 6,640 1.5 9.960 -
Wet bike-rs 1,660 1.5 2.490
Scuba divers 1,107 1.5 1,660
Wind Surfers 550 3 1,650
boat racers 650 1.5 975
Trailusers 13.201 3 39,603
Picnickers 184,440 3 553,320
Total Potential 305,079 1,278,900
Summer Users
Ice fishermen 12,173 1.5 _ 18,260
Ice skaters 14,940 3 44,820
ice boaters 350 1.5 525
XC Skiers 8,853 1.5 13,280
Total Potentia.)'
Minter Users 36.316 76,884
Total Potential Users 341,393 1,335.784
PRESENT AND PROJECTED WATER-BASED RECREATION DEMAND
BY ACTIVITY)
times Would like. Total % t wanting tQ
Now Participating per to participate present and relative to
Activity, Barr t? possible na____participatn
Swimming 1956(56%) 10-19) 151(4%) 601%,
7.7
Fishing 1740(50%) 3-5) 168(5%) 55% 9.7'
lranoei g 880(25%) 1-2) 299(9$) 34% 34.o
lc* Skating 941(27%) 1-5) 187(5%) 32% 19.9
Motor boat%ng 920;(26%) 1-5) 109(3%) 29% 1118
iceF'ishing 759(2.2;) 1-2); 161'%5%) 27% 21.2
Water Skiing__ 637(18%) 1-2) 163(5%) 23% 25.6
Sailing 403(12%) 1-2) 216(6%) 18% 52,8
SnowmobiIing 381(11%) 1.2) 910%) 14% 23.9
Wet biking 91(31)' 1-2) 128(4%) 7% 140.7
Scuba Diving 81 (n) 1.2) 109(3%) 5 o 134.6
Surfing 32(1%) 0-5) 88(3%) 4% 275.0
FlyinV(Pontoon) 29(1$) 1-2) 59(2%) 3% 203.4
Boat R -acing 370%) 1--2) 320%) ) 2% 86.5
Ice Beating 18(1%) 1-2) 47(1%) 2% 261.1
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EQUIPMENT *DINED BY RESIDENTS IN LAKES AREA
Projected N
Households Havltag Per Household In Service Area
Motorized Canoe 35 1.0 572
Canoe 177 1,1 3085
Fishing Boats 241 1.1 4198
Floatation Devices 165 1.7 4444
Ice Boats 0
Pontoon boats 37 1.0 S91
Rowboats, Motorized 70 1.2 1328
Rowboats 23 1.2 435
Runabouts 154 1.0 442
Sailboats 70 1.2 1328
Wet Bikes 7 1,6 183
Wind Surfer 3 1.3 50
Water Skis (prs) 2 1.5 57
Hydroplane 12 1.4 267
Ski Kites 2 1.5 57
Pontogr Planes 1 1.0 19
Snowmobiles 136 1.9 4096
Ice Fishing House 10 1.0 153
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YEARS: LIVED IN RESIDENCE
1-2 18.3% Avg. 11 gears
3-5 24.5 Median 7 Years
6-9 14.3
10-19 22.0
20-30 14.2$,
30-ovar 6.7
OWNERS vs. RENTERS
OWN RESIDENCE 87.6%
RENT 12.3
IMPORTANCE OF RECREATION
NOT IMPORT. OF SOME IMPORT. VERY IMPORT N/A
Sommer 17.3 35.1 46-0 1.6
Winter 46.7 39.2 13.0 1f2
AGE GROUPING OF RESIDENTS
Preteen 702 (20%)
Teen 461 (13%)
Young Adult (20.35) 1020 (x9%)
Middle Age (36-50) 967 (28%)
Senior 3.34 (10%)
No age given 11 ( 11 )
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Average persons per household Y 2.9
ILL
Medicine Like Task Force Meeting
Thursday, February 24, 7:00 p.m.
Plymouth City Center
AGENDA
Harty Boat RentalTom Harty
Medicine Lake Sailing Tub - Bob FrazeeSic 1 1/S-N,cN!
Relocation of outlet of Medicine lake - Report by Bar Engineering
A,'.`-'1983 Lake Use Monitoring Program - Outline by Hennepin County ParkReserveDistrict
Summary of Action to be Taken by Various Parties over the Summer
6 Other
7.. Next Meeting if Necessary?
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TABLE 2, ACE OF HOUSEHOLDMEMBERS
PreTeens; 11.7%
Teens 9.1%
Young Adults 29.1%
Middle. ,Age 35.9%
Senior Citizen: 14.2%
LAKE MANAGEMENT
February 24, 7
lymouth. City
Task Force Members present:
Eric Blank
Steve Chesebrough
Karen Loechler
Mike Brandt
Bob Scribner
Dennis Erickson
John Mullan
Virg Schneider
Marty Jessen
Task Force Members Absent
Earl Bancroft.
Task Force Guests:
Don Forchas - Representatives
Bob Hernandez
Harty Boat Rental
Medicine Lake Sailing Club
and Bob Hernandez F
indicated that it a
the common interest.
ar event,.
sented information regarding the
essentially ; social club with
They showed a vi,leo tape of a
They reported that there are currently 55 active family members in
the sailing club. During 1982 they held 40 races on Saturdays and
Sundays from May 23 - Oct. 10th. 25-30 boats is the maximum nut:,,bc;
of boats that their races attract. This typically happens on Sunda
as where on Saturdays the turnout is mush lower, often as low as
seven boats. Races in 1982 started at 10:30 a.m, whereas previous-
ly thea started at 1 p.m., and the club is planning to return to a
1 p.m. starting time in 1983. In Narch of each year the club pub-
lishes a sailing program for the coming year. It indicates the
dates, gimes and classes of the various races. Typically the races
take two to four hours to complete and are run toward the middle of
the lake. They have a 212 hour time limit fci the lead boat. In
oth.r words, the first place boat must complete the course ,,!itnin
thAt time or else the race is cancelled. Gen.rn, ly the ,,accs :;.w .
from 114 hour 1 3/4 hours. kaces ore r of 4n ChM ee cl: ss. -s
amarans generally ru -.- ,-.g 2-3 boats; o,)en c.ass L, whi; h s i° w2
hcats numbering 10-1i who cemp4ted runn'i; 1 43 lap and
open class II boats, which ars the fastest _:ows generai,,
twelve in number who complete a 2 1/3 4ap course.
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12. le,low is a list of water craft types and other equiwnent that may be used on Medicine
Lake. Would you please indicate the total number, of each type of water craft and other
equipment. that Is docked or put in at Medicine lake from your-residenct,.
WATER CRAFT/ EQUIPMENT
canoe, motorized
NOW NANYZI
canoe, nonmotoriaed Zq -Z
floatation device (raft,etc.) 9,9
Ice boat 7.
pontoon boat iii 9
rowbboat , motor i zed 3•`
rowboat, nonmutorited O,LA
runabout, f°r
sailboat Z(r 3
i3, Listed below are, facitities
which you could have on you,-
iako front property, Please
check the box in the, column
that best describes your
property.
raci:iitiest.
WATER CRAFT/ EQUIPMENT
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MQV MANY?
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water skis. (pairs) 7.
racing: boat,. hydroplane Q,(
ski kite a,Q
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swim:,ing beach lp Q., 3
swimming platform 2 4
boatboat dock,
boat. hoist 3.0 17-1
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swim:,ing beach lp Q., 3
swimming platform 2 4
boatboat dock,
boat. hoist 3.0 17-1 QQ.
ice fishing house 9 15,9 1
ice skating rink 2,'.5 26.7—(
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14, Oo you have any cawnents.or su39estion't pertaining to the development of ft•.ilities,
use, etc, at Medicine lake?
that's all the questions we have. When you have co+*piettd the questionnaire; pleasev
return it tows In the enclosed Postage -paid envelope. if you have any questions:
4bO0t this survey. Please call the. Park Reserve District's Research Section at 477-4333,
Thanks for your help!!
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2. Continued..
The buoys for the course are set before each race with the first
leg of each race run into the wind. A triangular pattern is fol-
lowed throughout the: race. Both representatives felt that the
sailing activity had co -existed well with fishing and other boater;
in the past, and they indicated that the Sailing Club's activities
could be managed, including the changing of the starting times of
the races if necessary.
Only five or six members of the club are Lakeshore owners on medi-
cine Lake. The others come from elsewhere. Some lakeshore owners.
permit club members to bouy their boats in front of the lake owner's
home. In addition to races, the club also typically holds three
socials a year on Memorial Day, the Fourth of July, and Labor Day
Weekend. These are generally held at someone's house on the lake
or at Harty's. Harty has permitted the club to use the lower part
of his upper landing for social activities in the past and man;• of
the members keep their boats there.
The club has not actively sought membership in the past because
there has been no public access or available buoys on Medicine Lake.
The club would like to see additional buoys for the larger sail-
boats and offered. to work jointly with. the City of Plymouth and
the Park Reserve District to accomplish that objective. The club
does not see the opening of the public accesses at the Regional Park
as a likely attractant of additional race participants, 'jecause it
takes too long to set up the sailboats before and take down after the
race.
Loechler asked if there is any restriction in Plymouth or Medicine
Lake regarding the number r boats that were to be docked at the apart-
ment complex at the south and of the lake, but this attempt was over-
ruled by the courts and thus there are no restrictions on the nulber
of boats
Loechler suggested that information regarding the race schedule as well
as general information regarding who and what type of boar has right of
way on the hake etc. might be put together and distributed to those
boaters that use the public access in the regional park. Forchas and
Hernandez offert:d to get a copy of the schedule for the races to the
Task Force members as soon as it is developed so that it can be in-
cluded in whatever information is avilable at the access. Forchas
indicated that they will keep careful records of the events held in
1933, participation and cthcr pertinent information, for the Task
Force to review when it reconvenrc in the fall of '83.
3. Relocation of Outlet of Medicine Lai,,e
Blank distributed information that he'd received. from. Barr Engineer-
ing regarding this project including a map showing the place to which
Oe outlet was being relocated. The relocation will result in no
change in elevation of the lake. Blank reported that there's $6
million in a federalflood control bill currently before the Congress
for this project.
tiDICINE LAKE RECREATION INTEREST STUDY
HENNEPIN COUNTY PARK RESERVE.DISTR CT
N - 1'7I
As you posy know, the Nennepin County Park Reserve District will he developing
OF NO
IMPORTANCE
a regional park on Medicine Lake. To assist the Fork deserve District in pLonning
ERY
IMPORTANT'
facility, which will best, most the needs of the People it will servo, we are seek-.
Sq.S
Ing Information about the recreation Interests of the people who liveOn the lake.
LAKE FOR RECREATION
poo, woul4 appreciats it If you and wewbors of your household woa:ld take • few w0nutes
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to cOmPi ete this survey, Your Input is Important, and, needed for effective plannlnq,
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When YOU have completed the quest ionno(re place it In the self-addressed, postage -
paid envelope and drop It. In the Mall. Thanks in advance for your time and helpl
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LAKESIDE LIVING
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4. 1983 Lake Use Monitoring Program
Jessen reported that the monitoring program consists of
periodic lake -wide "Snapshots" of boat traffic and uses,
counts as to the number and types of boats that launch
through the access when the attendant is on duty, and
to determine parking lot vehicle counts by the rangers.
He indicated that the specific schedule of activities is
not available to the Task Force at this meeting, but that
it would be distributed with the minutes of the meeting.
5. Summary of Actions to be Taken by the Various Parties over the Summer
Blank reported that Plymouth would again be operating two
beaches (East Beach & West Beach) with guards on duty begin-
ning approximately June 10th to August 15. In addition,
Plymouth would be assisting in litter control from the ice -
fishing season.
Jessen reported that the. District would be operating the
public access throughout the summer with an attendant on duty
during "peak times". Appropriate maps and other information
would be provided at the access as had been discussed with the.
Task Force previously. The District's rangers will patrol the
area on a routine basis and. seek assistance from the Hennepin
County Sheriffs office regarding the actual boating activity on
the lake. The District will also be participating in water quality
monitoring and coordination with the Bassett ;,reek Flood Control
Commission.
Erickson reported that the City of Medicine Lake has nothing
specific planned for 1933. Schneider suggested that the City
Council of Plymouth and Medicine Lake author a joint resolu-
tion 'to be sent to the Hennepin County Sheriff requesting
adequate patrol by the sheriff's office early in the season, in
attempt to eliminate or reduce the likely number of problems
that might occur.
Scribner reported that AMLAC would be helping with boatcounts
during the summer at the request of the Park Reserve District
as well as being available to assist in any other way necessary.
6. Other
Schneider suggested that the Task Force be available to recon-
vene at anytime, upon call of the Chairman, in the event that
some major problem would occur.
Blank suggested that the Task Force meet on June lst at 5:30 p.m.
at the Park Reserve District's Medicine Lake Park building (The
former Begin House) for the purpose of a tour and a brief discus-
sion of how things are going.
It was agreed that the agenda for the next meeting would beA - Presentation by Tom Harty
D - Discus ion With the sail club
C Report by Barr Engineering, representing Basset Creek
Flood Control Commission on further status of the
crops project to relocate the outlet of Medicine Lake
D - Hennepin County Park Reserve District 1983 use
monitoring program
E Summary of actions to be taken over the summer by
various parties
6. MINUTES OF THE JANUARY27 MEETIN
The minutes were accepted without zomment or aQd: tion.
7 ADJCURNM _NT
The meeting adjourned at 9:15 p.m.
Minutes - Page 4.
7. Next Meeting
It was agreed that the Task Force would reconvene in September
to report on and evaluate the various actions that would be taken
over the summer.
8. Minutes of the February 8th Task Force Meeting
Chesebrough asked that crops in Page 5. be corrected to read
Corps". There were no other comments or corrections to the
minutes.
S. Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 8:25 p.m.
r
Jessen agreed to present more detailed information about theDistrict's use monitoring plans at the next meeting so that others onthetaskforcemightalsoparticipateinthiseffort. Blank offered
to have Plymouth lifeguards do counts from the east and west beach
areas at specified times if the District would provide the necessaryprogramoutlineandtraining.
5. SET AGEtjpAFQjLjEBRhARY 24 MEETLNC.
The next meeting will be held on Thursday, February 24 at 7:00 p.m. at the Plymouth City Hall. Blank suggested the following asPotentialagendaitems:
A park tour and drive around the lake
Presentation by Tom Harty
1983 Use Monitoring
Medicine Lake Sail Club
DNR Report On Fishing in Medicine Lake
Identification of any "clear cut problems"
Scribner suggested that he and others in AMLAC felt that 60 boats is
Just too many to put on Medicine Lake through the public access intheregionalpark. He said they are concerned with safety of lakeusersandtheimpactof60additionalboatsonusersafety. John
Mullan said he feels the public has every right to 60 spaces in thatMedicineLakeispublicwater. He feels that the sail club ought tobeinvolvedinanupcomingmeetingtodicusstheirracescheduleand
the problems that it creates on lake utilization by othrs.
Scribner responded by saying he feels the 60 trailer parking spaces
exceeds the standard for lakes the size of Medicine Lake as
recommended by DNR. Schneider responded that he feels that these
standards are applicable for unattended accesses such as the type DNR
provides elsewhere in the state. He feels the District has committed
to carefully managing and regulating the access so that it will work
well and feels that makes a considerable difference in the capacityofthelake, particularly when many of the users are expected to befishermenandnon -power boats.
Chesebrough, suggested that what we need is a year of experience in
order to determine if the capacity of the public access is too high. He suggested further that this would be one of the principal topicsforthetaskforcetodicusswhenitreconvenesnextfall.
Chesebrough sugge.ited that, inasmuch as the next meeting would be thelastofthetaskforcefornow, that it needed to include on the
agenda a summary of actions to be taken by the various parties Over
the stammer so that when the task force does reconvene in the fall, we. have a meaningfull point of beginning.
M E M O R A N D U M
TO: Medicine Lake Task Force Committee
FRal: Barr Engineeering Co. Bassett Creek Flood Control Commission
SUBJECT: 1983 Medicine Lake Monitoring Schedule
DATE: January 18, 1983
Following is an approximate schedule of the. 1983 water quality
monitoring program of Hedi:cine Lake. The specific monitoring schedule
may vary slightly due to adverse weather conditions.
DdtE
First week in May
First week in June
First week in July
First week in August
First week in September
Second week in October
During 1 precipitation
event -probably during
April, May or June
Monitoring Location
Main Basin, SW Basin, outlet, 3 inlets
Bain Basin, SW Basin, outlet, 3 inlets
Main Basin, Sit Basin, outlet, 3 inlets
Main. Basin, SW Basin, outlet, 3 inlets
Main Basin, SW Basin, outlet, 3 inlets
Main Basin, SW Basin, outlet, 3 inlets
Plvmouth Creek at 26th Avenue North and
Plymouth Creek at the inlet to Medicine
Lake (upstream of Medicine Lake Road)
Nonthly samples from the main basin and southwest basin will be collected
at 0.5, 7.0, and 12.0 meters and analyzed for total phosphorus, ortho phos-
phorus, nitrate/nitrite nitrogen, ammonia nitrogen, organic nitrogen, and p1l.
The 0.5 meter sample will be analyzed for alkaline phosphapase during either
Julv or August. Dissolved oxygen, temperature, and conductivity profiles
will be measured on each sampling occasion, and chlorophyll -a, phytoplankton,
and zooplankton samples will be collected and analyzed. Samples frog. the
outlet and three inlets (Plymouth Creek, the inlet to the northwest bay, and
the inlet to the riouthwest bay) will be analyzed for total phosphorus. ortho
Phosphorus, nitrate/nitrite nitrogen, ammonia nitrogen, and organic nitrogen.
Phase I Consists of the lakefront development which is currently
under construction. it involves the construction of a park
access, road from County Road 9 to the lakefront area,
beach, picnic area, conceSsi.on building, boat rental
building and remote parking lot and shuttle service to
transport park users from the parking lot to the beachfront
area
Pha.Se II will consist of further development on the east side of
the bay, extending north from Medicine Lake. This will
consist primarily of trail development and additional,
picnic facilities, plus a water play area that will provide
better quality swimming opportunities than are available in,
the lake in the Phase I development.
Phase III Will consist of a reservation picnic area and tral
development on the west side of the bay.
In addition, the District is considering remodeling and expansion of
the former Begin House to serve as District Headquarters offices and
proposing to construct a District maintenance shop across old CountyRoad9, but south of the proposed New County 9, within t;edicine Lake
Regional Park.
Jessen reported that the District has constructed 40 boat and trailer
parking spaces in the Phase I development, which will be paved with
an additional 20 spaces of overflow unpaved parking space. It is
anticipated that much of the lake use will be fishing and non -power
boating. The District intends to limit the number of trailers and
cars parking in the park to the capacity of the lot and overfow
60). The launch area being constructed will have a water depth of
approximately 3 to 4 feet at the ramp, but will rise to a depth of
only 2 feet out from the ramp, thus large boats will not be able to
easily launch through this access.
I. DNR WILL SUPPLY DEPS MAPS OF JAEpICINE LAKE.
The DNR representative was not present at the meeting,. Blank will
contact Karen Loechler to have maps available at the next meetinE.
4. DISCUSS HQW AND WHO 4;ILL BE 'MAKING LAKE USE COUNTS DURING
UU _
Fisher reported that the District's 1983 use monitoring program at
Medicine Lake would consist of random sample observation by research
staff, gate counts from the attendant who will attend the boat
access, and information provided by the park rangers as a result of
their routine patrol of the area. The specifics of the plan have not
been fully developed, but a combinaton of the three tecniques will be
employed.
Medicine Lake Task =; mmittee
Page 2
January 19, 1983
During one precipitation event, samples of the runoff will be collected
from. Plymouth Creek at 26th Avenue North and at, the inlet to Medicine Lake
upstream of Medicine Lake Road. Samples will be collected at 1 -hour intervals
from each station during,a 4 -hour period. Samples Will be analyzed for
suspended solids, settleable solids, and total solids at both stations.
Samples from the inlet to Medicine Lake will also be analyzed for total phos-
phorus, or>_ho phosphorus, ammonia nitrogen, organic nitrogen, and nitrate/
nitrite nitrogen. A sample collected during the peak discharge at the Medicine
Lake inlet (Plymouth Creek) will also be tested to determine the settling rate
of the solids and the phosphorus removed by settling of the solids.
Fisher reported that the regional survey consisted of a random sample
of 79,500 households within the regional service area. This area was
broken down into seven zones, with each of the zones represented in
the survey. A total of 1203 surveys wore returned, (out of 5,011
mailed) or approximately 24 percent, which is an average figure for a
survey of this type without any follow-up to encourage people to
complete the questionnaire. The objective of this study was to
identify water-based recreational needs within the region.
There was a high rate of return by those people who resided closest
to Medicine Lake and a relatively lower rate of return for those from
near North Minneapolis. Of Mose who responded, Medicine Lake was
the secono most popular lake for existing water-based recreational
use, with 22 percent of those responding saying they use Medicine
Lake. The most popular was Lake Minnetonka, with 28 percent. The
recreation activities most often participated in were: 1 - fishing, 2
swimming, 3 ice fishing, 4 power boating. (attached are copies,
of the various overheads that Fisher used in her presentation, which
indicate the results of the study.)
Fisher said that, based on the information from this study, it is
projected that 1.2 million plus user occasions would occur at
Medicine Lake Regional Park.
The on-site portion of the research consisted of three people making
observations during 1' weekend, days and 20 weekdays, during the
summer of 1980. The three observers were located at the District
property on the north end of the lake and Plymouth's east and west
beach areas toward the south end. Fisher distributed copies of the
weekend activity chart, which showed a ver high peak of sailboat use
during the early afternoon, a fairly high and consistent pattern of
fishing use all day long and a fairly low incidence of water skiing
activity. She stressed that this was an average of all the wep -nd
days surveyed, including poor weather days and those early an;, sate
in the season.
The homeowner's study consisted of 424 surveys mailed to the first
line of private property owners surrounding Medicine Lake. (Thus
people 'living east of East Medicine Lake Road received the surveys as
did those lying immediately west of West Medicine Lake Road, even
though they might not have Lakeshore property ownership.) A total of
171 surveys were returned. Fisher distributed a copy of the results
of this study. She pointed out that a significant number of people
responding felt that there was "considerable use to too much use" of
Medicine Lake on weekends during the summer and winter, whereas
during the remainder of the year it was felt there was, "little or no
use to moderate- use." Fisher also pointed out that 29 percent of
those responding thought there ought to be some restrictions or
prohibitions 01 snowmobiling, and 28 percent felt there ought to be
restrictions or prohibitions on boat racing. On the other hand, 14
percent were opposed to restrictions oG prohibitions generally.
Marty Jessen reviewed the master plan for development of Medicine
Lake Regional Park, indicating that there are three phases of
development to fully implement the plan.
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AHOY',
CmTG' idle L.rr aAa-,llin Club
4633 Fla Ave Ne. woe9 . , 55428
March 17, 1983
The Board has wet and: the 1983 sailing schedule is being prepared. We have decided against Saturday races and instead will have a full
Sunday race schedule,. This will re*ult in more series and races
than if we kept the old-Saturday/Sunday program.
We will hav,.! eight series consisting of five to seven races each.
The first race on Sunday will start at 1:00 p.m. (12:50 assembly)
to be followed by a second race but never earlier than 3:00 p.m. 2:50 assembly). There will always be three starts in every
series except the Frostbite. The second race on Sunday will be
part of a different series from the first race. Each series %il.l
have at )cast one throw out race. If a race has to be canceled
because of weather it will not be reschedul.ed.for another day.
If the first race is canceled this does not automatically mean
the second race iy, also scrubbed. We mope that this condensed
program will give the iiembers more freedom on the week ends and
yet for those who want to sail longer on Sunday the opportunitytodoso.
The 4th of July Series and Labor Day Ser:.:es will consist of five
races in three days: 2 on Saturday; 2 on Sunday; and one on
Monday to to followed by a picnic at Harty's North Landing. For
the Memorial, Jay Series we zill follow the same schedule.
One advantage of racing only on Sunday is that it gives us greater
flexibilit.- with judges oA the Committee Boat. We will schedule
two skipper- (or adults) on the Committee Boat and hopefully one
will be available to operate a Szfety Boat. We are attempt -Ing tow,I'c out arrangements with the University of Minnesota Sailingiubtr, 'rovide judges in exchange for allowing them to participate..
races. If this can be worked out few of our members will
work on the Committee Boat.
K-1-- sure you have wade arrangements with Tom Harty about your
mooring space. We want as many of the club members to moor at
his north landing as possible. This helps keep the clue together
and is where the Racing Committer will be meeting to make decisions.
on the daily races. Also, all the picnics will be at this location.
Tom Harty has advised that he still has 8 mooring spaces available.
If you know of anyone who is interested in joining the club and
he needs mooring space have him contac'. Tom. We understand the
public landing will be open this year. '-,'trestricted usage) but
there will be limited parking space fo-.• '-ailers.
WO will have two warm up races on Sunda.; May 22 with assemblyat12t50p.m. Get your racing fees paid and plan to join us
at that time.
REMEMBER: Our Spring Meeting w11,- be held on April 22 at 7:00 p.m. at Barry Kassl.er's home. Plan to attendphis meeting and pick upYour1983SailingInstructionsandRacingSchedule (anter paying, your racing fees of course).
Bob Frazee
Commodore
MEDICINE LAKE MANAGOENT TASK FORCE
February 8, 1983, 7:00 p.m.
Plymouth City Nall
1AWKIL-FORCE MEMBERS PRESENT: Eric Blank, Steve Chesebrough, Bots
Scribner, John Mullan, Dennis Erickson,
Virg Schneider, Mike Branat, Marty
Jessen
TASK FORCE MEMB ABSEN : Karin. Goechler, Earl Bancroft.
The meeting, Was called. to order by Chairman Blank at 7.08.
1. HARTY s .BOAT RENTAL.,
Mr. Harty was not pre3ent at the meeting, but had a letter; delivered
by Bob,Seribner. The letter expressed concern over the prospect of
hydroplanes launching through the park public access.
2. HENNEPIN COUj,'TX PAR, , RESERVE DISTRICT _BOATTLG DEMAND,
RESEAR ANS REVIE I L OF THE PARES MASTER PLAN _
Barb Fisher, Research Assistant for the Park Reserve District,
presented the findings of studies done by the District in planning
for Medicine Lake Regional Park. She indicated that three types of
research were done during the course of this planning.
A. A Fish Lake, Cagle, Pike Lake.and__Medicine Lake regional survey.
phis effort was aimed at determining demand within a geograph cal
area surrounding, the lake, as well as determining the
characteristics of the people residing there and their $eneral
recreational interests.
B. An on -situ to y of Medicine Lake, Done in 1980, this study
consisted of observation of various types of activity that tool:
place on the lake during that year.
C. A ha;,qeowner's survey. A questionnaire was mai ed to all of the
houses abutting the lake in an attempt to secure their opinions
about future lade Use.
Fisher also said that a post -construction evaluation woLld be done
afterthe park was developed a<:d Operating, to determine how users
felt about the development and to get information as to what could be
done to further improve the park.
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Yarm 4Up Races: May 22
MEMORIAL DAY SERIES:
MAY 26 (2)
i; MaY 29 (2
May 30 (1)
CowAodore''s Cup:: Summer Series:
June 5 (Ist race) June 5 (2nd race)
June 12June 12
June 19 dune 19
June 26 dune 26
July 10 3u:ly 1.0
July 17 July 17
Admira;V s Cup: MLSC Cup:
July 24 July 24,
Jule 31 July 31
Aug 7' Aug 7
Aug, 14 A u q 14
Aug 21 Aug 21
Aug 26 Aug 25
4th of July Series
Dul 2 C2)
July 3 (2 )
u1y 4 (1 )
Labor Day Series:
Sept 3 (2)
Sept 4 (2)
Sept 5 (1)
Frost Bite Series:
Sept 11 (1)
Sept 1S ('1)
Sept 25 (1)
Oct 2 (1 )
Oct 9
Mpls Aquatennial
Cull Lake Regatta
Banquet: Nov 11 1983 Medina Ballroom
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Medicine lake Management Task. force Meeting
Tuesday, February, 8, 1983, 7;00-9:00 p.mr
Plymouth City Center
AGENDA
1. Harty`s Boat Rental -- Mr. Harty has been asked to brief the Task Force on
his boat rental operation.
2. Hennepin County Park 'Reserve District beating demand research. Review
Park Master Plan.
3., DNR - Supply depth maps ofMedicine Lake.,
4. Discuss how and who Ma 11 be making lake use counts during 1983.
5. Set agenda for February 24 meeting..
Plymouth Park and Recreation Advisory Commission
Regular Meeting of May 5 1983, 7:30
Plymouth City Center Council Chambers
AGENDA
1, Call to Order
2. Approval of Minutes
3. Public Hearing Amendment to Comprehensive Trail Plan - 7:30 p.m..
4. Visitor Presentations
a.. Youth Athletic Associations
h. Mary Patterson, Rick Busch, Suzie Raskob
c. Others
5. Report on Past Council Action
a. Funding Task Force Report
o. Bass Lake Playfield
5. Unfinished Business
a LAWCON/LCMR Grant Update
b. Medicine Lake Task Force Update
c, Life. Be In It.. Day Update
d. Parkers sake Planned Development
e. Play Equipment Update.
f. Review Agenda for Joint Meeing with City Council on May 23
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h.
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7. New Business
a.
b.
C.
8., Commission Presentation
9. Staff Communication
10. Adjournment
Joint Meeting of the. City Counciland PRAC
Monday, May 0, 5:30-7 30pm
AGENDA
1. Plymouth Creek. Park
Development Timetable - Conmunity Center
a. Possible dates to visit other community centers in metro area.
2. Funding Task Force Report
1. 1983' Goals and Objectives - Review
These are listed in back of 1982.Annual Report.
4. Life. Be In It. Day - update.
5. 1983 Plymouth Parks Tour -- possible dates.
6., Other
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a . -ate , , .1...:,'t' a
D rEGtor of Parks and Recreation
ity of Plyrn.outh
400 Flynouth Boulevard
alynt ouch, Nimiesota 51447
Dear A=r ., w lan',
We, the undersi&red, ox%T,, h). -.es adjacent to L)r in e? oso pro 4: iky
to the xieig- borhood. parr I,'oated in Gleallloch.
During the vd-%-,ter months , there his been a: ice ti Z r_. t-
in the park. We ha.c undarstood that eft or ccitcr, .fie
area, wo.ul e reseeded i,n 'orde ` to ,,,se that ax ef? iCo- fli eld °w.: e.3.
D,:ring t1he Spri.-.g and a". ~ex of 1 } 2. , tho rin' area was not rese de:
wid co.-Seaue ft1 vtat area .iaS !nt`d -..`Adt4 r t and useable
Theice sE:aiiis area has been diLRicvIt Ito andaIAd t'..(
attached picture: depicts, t', -,,e conditio of tale rinAl for ,,ost of
the winter ol'f' '19839
He are t.lu yo.. discontinueyw'r efforts to install,...
ice s'.Iat ng rink each minter and t1lat t;:o area be retradec
for proper dr3inare, seeded a 'd main-",-°31.ned as a.-,,, open aroa fol,
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Questionnaires Returned -- 34
1st Choice Items A 2nd Choice Items,& 3rd Choice Items a
of Votes of Votes of Votes
Creative Play - 13 Belt Swings 7 Crc>ative Play - 6
3elt Swings - 7 Spiral Slide 7 Springed - 6
Animals
Slide... - 4 Climbing Net 5
Tire Swings - 3 Slide 4 belt Swings- 5
Tire :Swings - 3
Spiral; Slide - 1 Pony Swing 2
Spirt,l Slide - 3
Climbing Net - 1 Creative Play 2;
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Swimming Pool - 1 Springed Round - 3
Animals 2
Wooden Multi- Balance Beams - 2
Use Unit - 1 Pull-up Bars 1
Pull-up Bars - 1
Balance Beams. 1 Climbing Piet - 1
Wading Pool - 1
Total 0 of Votes for Each Item Ages of Residents b How Many
Creative Play Equipment - 28 Senior Citizens - 1
Belt Swings 22 Adults 56
Climbing Net 19 High School 1
Spiral Slide 18 Junior High 5
Tire Swings 17 Elementary 20
Pull-up Bars 16 Pre-School 1E'
Springed Animals 15 Toddler 2
Slide 14
Balance Beams 12
Pony Swings 11
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Questionnaires Returned -- 34
Additional. Commiotit. MRda on Questi'onnafires,
Equipment Desired Under CategorZ Pother'
Sand sox
swtmtng Pool
ifadtn9 Pool
Wbdden Mu10-dse Ontt
bike Paths
Roller Skating Path
Horseshoe Pits,
volleyball Courts
Comments
realivvo play equipment should include -pull-up bars, balance beams, climbing net."
I would like to see tennis courts."
Keep up. the good work."
We have grandchildren that would enjoy this, pare;"
Plow, the vita course -- many people would like to use it in winter. It was poorly
planned and laid out - under water and ice in. many spots."
Make Fernbrook sates to cross for those of us on the east side..'
Would like to see an overhead walkway over Fernbrook at tiallas Lane."
How about a bike trail from Cavanaugh Addition to the park?"
Put in creative play equipment similar to what's at Morris T. baker Park and lake
Rebecca. It can be used by a variety of ages and is a healthy way to learn to use:
muscles."
Safer crossing for our children on Fernbrook Lane,..
Concerned about how accessible this will be to children having to cross Fernbrook
a racetrack to many."
Very glad to see this under development for the young children in our area.
How aboutparking, for cars?"
How about bl'acktopping for walking along Fernbrcok so people on east side can
get to park safely."
February 7 1983
Brio"J. Blank, Director
Park and Recreation Department
3400 Plymouth Boulevard
Plymouth, MN, 55441
Dear Mr. Blank,
I'm very happy to respond to your letter about the r1eighbor
hood playground planned for Plymouth Creek Park. We who live
in this area sometimes feel our voice is not heard at city
hall, so I am quite pleased and happy that the Park and
Recreation Department has tahen the time. and effort to ask,
for our input.
Although my children are probably a 'bit too old (11 and 14)
to enjoy the proposed playground area they have participated in
the activities there. I'm sure the younger children of our
neighborhood will enjoy it and it's these. children I'm most
concerned about, Fernbrook Lane, as: you must know has a forty
mile an hour speed limit that in most cases is not adhered.
to. We've had many near misses and one hit, and those of us
who jog, bike and walk can testify and tell horror stories
of being i -un off Fernbrook,Lene by speeding cars and trucks.
I would like to see the Park,Department work with the city
to seeif there are ways of increasing the safety of our
children and adults as they go to and from the park.
My secondCis with the parking problems there. Is, the e, a
way that the parking facilities in the park can be increased
to accomodate more cars?
I appreciate the steps you took last summer to make the park
more compatible with our ne ghLe)rhood. I beleive the city
and neighborhood can work together to make the park a more
enjoyable place for everyone.
Thank you again for asking for our input.
Sincerely,
dOOCA--,
Donna Maus
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May 9, 1983
Ms. Ann Anderson
Post Publishing Company
8801 Bass Lake Road
New Hope,, MN 55428
Dear Ann:
Thank you very much for the very complimentary article on my
decision to retire from the Plymouth Park and Recreation
Advisory Commission. I was most impressed with the amount
of space you allocated to the article
I hope Eric and the other commissioners find the article to
be positive and supportive of their future activities. I.
respect very much the continued leadership they will be providing
to meet the future leisure needs of the citizens of Plymouth.
Thank you again for your gracious attention to this relatively
unimportant event. I hope to have an opportunity to visit
with you again soon.
Best regards,
James A. Rice
President
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