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PLANNING COMMISSIONMINUTES
NOVEMBER 9,1994
The regular meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission was called to order at 7:00
p.m. by Chairman Mike Stulberg.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Mike Stulberg, Commissioners Barb Stimson,
Christian Preus, Ed Albro (arrived at9:25p.m.), Virginia
Black, Linda Oja and Allen Ribbe.
MEMBERS ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT: Director Anne Hurlburt, City Engineer Dan Faulkner,
Planning Supervisor Barbara Senness, Associate Planner
John Beho, and Planning Secretary Jackie Watson
MINUTES:
MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Black to approved
the October 12, 1994 Planning Commissioner minutes.
Vote. 6 Ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION by Commissioner Black, seconded by Commissioner Preus to approve the
October 26, 1994 Planning Commission minutes.
Vote. 6Ayes. Motion carried.
CONSENT AGRiDA
Commissioner Black requested that Item 5.A. be removed from the consent agenda.
THE MAINTENANCE TEAM (94083)
Chairman Stulberg-introduced the request by the Maintenance Team for a site Plan
Amendment and Variance for property located at 1720-1776 Annapolis Lane.
MOTION by Commissioner Ribbe, seconded by Commissioner Oja to recommend
approval of the request by the Maintenance Team for a site Plan Amendment and
Variance for property located at 1720-1770 Annapolis Lane, subject to all conditions
fisted in the November 3, 1994 staff report.
Vote. 6 Ayes. Motion carried.
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PACKAGING SYSTEMS AUTOMATION, INC, (94086)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Packaging Systems Automation, Inc. fora
Site Plan Amendment and Variance for property located at 2200 Niagara Lane.
MOTION by Commissioner Ribbe, seconded by Commissioner Oja to recommend
approval of the request by Packaging'Systems Automation, Inc. for a Site Plan
Amendment and Variance for property located at 2200 Niagara Ione, subject to all
conditions listed in the November 3, 1994 staff report.
Vote. 6Ayes. Motioncaried.
HOYT PROPERTIES (91031)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the inquest by Hoyt Properties for a Site Plan for
Plymouth Technology Park located northwest of the intersection of 1494 and Schmidt
lake Road.
Commissioner Black asked what measures would be taken during construction to
protect the creek.
City Engineer Faullmer stated that the Hennepin County Erosion Control Policy plus
City standards will be followed and they will be monitored by the City.
Commissioner Black asked if there would just beta siltation fence. She said the City
needs to take stronger measures to prevent silt from conning into the creek because the
construction of the pond is very near the creek.
Gary Lally from Hoyt responded that they are adhering to strict setbacks because of the
Shoreland Maintenance, and the impervious coverage near the creek has to be kept at a .
minimum. He said that a siltation pond will also be constructed and the architects will
work closely with the City.
M077ON by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Preus to recommend
approval of the request by Hoyt Properties for a Site Plan for Plymouth Technology
Park located northwest of the intersection of I-494 and Schmidt Lake Road, subject to
all conditions listed in the November 3, ,1994 staff report,
MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Black, seconded by Commissioner Oja to
require a double row of siltation fences adjacent to the street and possibly hay bales.
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Commissioner Ribbe asked how it has been decided in the past that a single siltation
fence is adequate or what decides.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that an on-site review determines what is needed and that
staff would probably ask for a second fence.
Vote on Motion to Amend 6 Ayes. Motion carried.
Vote on Main Motion, as once amended. 6 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous
vote.
SPECIAL PRESENTATION ON INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT 284
94131)
Park Director Eric Blank discussed the preliminary plans for a new high school in the
northwest portion of Plymouth. The school hopes to break ground in June 1995 ;with
completion in 1997. He discussed the bridge to be built over the railroad tracks on
Peony Lane. The City and the School District will own a portion of the property.
They will jointly share the facilities.
Planning Supervisor Senness stated that timing is a key issue of this project. She said
that an PAW will be done, and a plan amendment will be needed since some of the
land is outside the MIJSA line. She said this could also be looked at as a PUD, as the
height of the school may exceed the limits of the ordinance.
Chairman Stulberg asked what the Planning Commission will see after the fust of the
year.
Planning Supervisor Senness responded that the PAW and sewer and water utilities win
be looked at fust. She said the plan amendment must be reviewed first by the
Metropolitan Council and this could take up to 90 days.
WARREN WOLFE (94139)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Warren Wolfe for an Amended PUD and
Conditional Use Permit for a 3 -season porch at 17205 3rd Avenue North.
Associate Planner Keho reviewed the November 4, 1994 staff report.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Glenn Fredeen representing the petitioner.
Mr. Fredeen stated that they are in agreement with the staff report.
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Chairman Stulberg opened the Public hearing.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Robert Peterson, President of the Homeowners
Association.
Mr. Peterson stated that they are in favor of the addition.
Chairman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing.
M0110N by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Ribbe to recommend
approval of the request by Warren Wolfe for an Amended PUD and Conditional Use
Permit for a 3 -season porch at 17205 3rd Avenue North, subject to the conditions listed
in the November 4, 1994 staff report.
Roll Call Vote, b Ayes. Motion carried.
L.A. DONNAY (94106)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by L.A. Donny for a Preliminary Plat, Site
Plan, Conditional Use Permit and Variance for Wellington Park located at the
southwest comer of Ranchview Lane and 28th Avenue North.
Associate Planner Keho reviewed the November 3, 1994 staff report. This item was
tabled from an earlier meeting and Associate Planner Keho reviewed the changes made
to the plan.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Greg Frank representing the petitioner.
Mr. Frank stated that they had met with the neighbors. He said that the petitioner was
in agreement with the staff report.
Chairman Stulberg opened the Public Hearing.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Kathy Austen of 15700C 26th Avenue North.
Ms. Austett stated she was from the Timberton HOA and they felt their concerns had
been addressed by the petitioner and they support the plan.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Daniel Powers of 2708 Shenandoah Lane.
Mr, Powers, President of Shenandoah HOA, stated that there are concerns of the HOA
with regards to the environment of the knoll and trees. He said the trees along the
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Shenandoah arra need to be saved and that replacing them with coniferous trees will
not suffice. He said that the buildings on this request have 5, 7 and 12 units and are
not realty townhomes. Iie asked why variances were needed. He said why not
diminish the size of the larger buildings. He asked why the units needed to be so close
to Shenandoah and why there were not anyprivacy fences. He said the natural habitat
will be destroyed.
Chairman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing.
Mr. Frank discussed the small hill which will be removed. He said that it has no trees.
He said that the trees on the south are being preserved. He said that the number of
units proposed is within the City's requirements and the setbacks from Shenandoah
Lane also comply with the requirements.
Associate Planner Keho stated that inquired setbacks are 20 feet and the setbacks on
this plan are almost double.
Commissioner Black asked if the ridge of trees would remain.
Mr. Frank responded that they would be removed and replaced with coniferous trees.
He said it is a small ridge which is being removed to accommodate the grade and that
most is underbrush.
Commissioner Black stated that her concern was that the removal of the deciduous trees
would remove some of the shade for cooling. She asked if some of the coniferous trees
along this area could be replaced with deciduous trees.
MOTION by Commissioner Ribbe, seconded by Commissioner Preus to recommend
approval of the request by L.A. Doanay for a Preliminary Plat, Site Plan, Conditional
Use Permit and Variance for Wellington Park located at the southwest comer of
Ranchview Lane and 28th Avenue North, subject to all conditions listed in the
November 3; 1994 staff report.
MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Black to require the Site Plan to have a mix of
both coniferous and deciduous trees between the two developments.
Motion to Amend died for lack of a second.
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes.
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ABINGDON DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION (94135)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Abingdon Development Corporation for a
Preliminary Plat and Variance for the Shores ofKraetz Lake located at 1733019th
Avenue North.
Association Planner Keho reviewed the November 1, 1994 staff report.
Commissioner Preus asked what would preclude the use of Lot 2. He said that the
amendments to the Subdivision Ordinance should be discussed first before this item is
voted on.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Chuck Dillenrd representing the petitioner.
Mr. Dillemd reviewed the earlier process of this application. He discussed the existing
gravel roads and previous action to plats surrounding the site which affected roadways
to the site and allowed only one access to this site. He explained the new design for a
boulevard into the site. The boulevard was brought to its current position because
driveway access from Lot 3 and Lot 4 would allow for the driveway. He said that
covenants for the development will cover Lots 1, 2, and 3. He said that they will not
remove any trees over 40 feet in height. He said the site presented constraints
regarding trees; the wetlands and integrity of Kmetz Lake, the existing neighborhood,
City standards, and the historical actions of the land when platted.
Mr. Frank discussed the lot depth Variance request for Lot 2. He said the lot has a
long frontage and a NURP pond is proposed which causes a constraint for this lot. If
Lot 2 were eliminated then the lot depth would not be eliminated but moved to another
lot.
Mr. Dillenid discussed the handout regarding a revision of Nos. 16 and 17 of the
conditions. He said the street location is further east to comply with the DNR
suggested location.
Chairman Stulberg asked for an explanation of the street and why couldn't it be done at
16 feet.
Mr. Dillerud stated this change was recommended by the Engineering stuff,
Chairman Stulberg asked how much closer it is to the setback for KraetzLake.
Mr. Frank stated that it would be no closer than 35 feet as previously recommended by
Planning; Commission.
Chairman Stulberg opened the Public Hearing.
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Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Delbert Case of 17215 23rd Avenue North.
Mr. Case stated he was opposed to the development. He said that the impact of the
activity on Highway 101 is having an impact on the lake and this development on the
east will increase the impact. He said the Variances should not be allowed; that the
development does not have to be 17 lots. He asked if the trail would be developed in
the future as it was now only 5 feet wide. He said the street and the vegetation and
trees lost would have an impact.
Chairman Stulberg introduced a letter from Mr. Peter Fuller of 1702019th Avenue
North regarding his opposition to the eastern emergency access and the upgrading ofthetrail.
Chairman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing.
Associate Planner Keho stated that there are no current plans to upgrade the trail, if the
City deems it appropriate it may upgrade the trail.
Director Hurlburt stated that at sometime the trail would be repaved and widened.
Mr. Frank stated that a tree inventory has been done and they tried to match grades to
preserve the trees. He said some trees would be lost but they tried to preserve as many
as possible; well over 60-70 percent will be preserved.
Mr. DMerod stated the issue of where to place road had to do with the location of
the trees.
Commissioner Black asked what the stakes indicated in the picture.
Mr. Frank stated that they delineated the wetlands and the high water mark. He said
the setbacks will be 35 feet from the stakes.
Commissioner Ribbe asked if there were any precedents for the boulevard and cul -de -
Sao,
Director Hurlburt stated that there is at least one precedent in the Parkers lake
development.
Commissioner Ribbe asked if staff felt the boulevard meets safety concerns.
Director Hurlburt stated that it did.
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Commissioner Preus asked fora explanation of how the boulevard increases safety.
He said it seemed unlikely that the boulevard area would ever be blocked.
Director Hurlburt explained that the chances are very remote, but it cuts down ontheamountpavement, and the use of the emergency access by emergency vehicles. She
said the design features mitigate having a long cul-de-sac
MOTION by Chairman Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Preus to table -As item
until after the Subdivision Code, Cul-de-sac discussion.
Chairman Stulberg called a recess at 8:50 p.m.; the meeting reconvened at 9:00 p.m.
CITY OF PLYMOUTH (94133)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by the City of Plymouth to Amend the
Subdivision Ordinance regarding cul-de-sacs.
Director Hurlburt reviewed the November 3, 1994 staff report.
Chairman Stulberg stated that there have been variances from the 500 feet. Nineteen
percent are over 500 feet. He asked if there were certain issues the Councihnembers
had on this subject.
Director Hurlburt stated that there were not, just that they wanted a standard and
wanted an emergency access.
Chairman Stulberg reintroduced Mr. Delbert Case of 17215 23rd Avenue North.
Mr. Case stated he's opposed to the new standards and that the City should adhere to
the 500 foot current limit. He said that a fire and law suit in California were cited bytheCityCouncil.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Chuck Dillemd.
Mr. Dillerud stated that he is an advocate of performance zoning which gives the
customer a clear idea of the standards which must be met. There is no good reason for
a 500 or 700 foot number. Using a performance standard is a good way to address this
subject. He said it is easier to tie a standard to something physical.
Commissioner Albro arrived at 9:25 p.m.
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MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Preus to recommend
approval of the Amendments to the Subdivision Code regarding standards for cul-de-
sacs as recommended by staff..
Commissioner Black stated that she does not like long cut -de -sacs, they are too
nebulous and developers will use the standards to their advantage.
Commissioner Oja stated she cannot support this amendment because she is not happy
with the numbers. She said she wants the 500 foot moved to 750 foot numbers.
Commissioner Stimson stated that she liked this amendment because it is not hard and
fast, and because of the wetland information this will get the least amount of
impervious surface into an area with a limit of 20 houses. She said this makes it easier
to deal with odd pieces of land.
Chairman Stulberg stated he would have liked to see the ordinance remain as it was,
without performance standards. He said the City has done a goodjob in the past and
he felt that performance standards will limit what can be done. He said he prefers not
to have the rule, but being that the magic 500 foot limit has been holding up Planning
Commission and City Council, this way will allow some progress.
Roll Call Vote. 4 Ayes, Commissioners Black and Oja voted Nay, Commissioner
Albro abstained. Motion carried on a 4 to 2 vote with one abstention.
ABINGDON DEVELOPMENT (94135)
MOTION by Chairman Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Stimson to reconsider the
application by Abingdon Development which was tabled until after the discussion of the
Subdivision Ordinance Amendment regarding cul-de-sacs.
Director Hurlburt stated that a conditionshould be added for a drainage easement for
Lot 2, Block 1.
MOTION by Chairman Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Stimson to recommend
approval of the inquest by Abingdon Development Corporation for a Preliminary Plat
and Variances for the Shores of Kmetz Lake, subject to all conditions listed in the
November 1, 1994 staff report.
MOTION by Chairman Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Stimson to amend
Condition 16 and add Lot 2 o Condition 15, according to the way the petitioner had
written on his handout.
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Director Hudburt explained the need to clarify whether the boulevard was really
wanted by the Commission.
Commissioner Black stated she objected because there are no conditions in the staff
report to reflect the cul-de-sac amendment and the wetland ordinance if they are
adopted.
Director Hurlburt stated that the plan contains the boulevard and if the petitioner wants
the option to change it later if the cul-de-sac amendment is approved they would have
to come back to the Planning Commission for an amendment.
Commissioner Preus stated that the Variance on Lot 2 stands either way. He said he
floes not see the need for the boulevard, then the Variance would not be needed on Lot
2. He said itis awfully narrow with the boulevard.
Planning Supervisor Senness stated that the street would go back to the narrower width
and the Variance would not be needed.
Director Hurlburt stated that a condition would be needed to revert to the narrower
width of the road then the Variance would not be needed.
Commissioner Preus asked why this inquest was previously denied by the City Council.
Director Hurlburt stated it was denied because of long cul-de-sac.
Commissioner Albro stated he liked the -plan without the boulevard.
Roll Call Vote on Amendment. 6 Ayes, Commissioner Black voted Nay.
Roll Call Vote on Main Motion. 5 Ayes, Commissioners Black and Oja voted Nay.
Motion carried on a 5 to 2 vote.
Plarming Supervisor Senness discussed the progress of the consultants on the wetland
ordinance.
Tbemeeting adjourned at 9750 p.m.
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