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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 10-12-1994CITY OF PLYMOUTH PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES OCTOBER 12, 1994 The regular meeting of nine Plymouth Planning Commission was called to order at 7:00 p.m. by Chairman Mike Stulberg. MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Mike Stulberg, Commissioners Barb Stimson, Virginia Black, Christian Preus, Ed Albro, Linda Oja and Allen Ribbe. MEMBERS ABSENT: None ST)'—'RF PRESENT. Director Anne Huriburt, City Engineer Dan Faulkner, Pluming Supervisor Barbara Senness, Associate Planner John Keho, and Planning Secretary Jackie Matson MINUTES MOTION by Commissioner Black„ seconded by Commissioner Stimson to approve the August 24, 1994 Planning Commission minutes. Vote. 6 Ayes, Commissioner Preus abstained. Motion carried. MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Black to approve the September 7, 1994 Planning Commission minutes. Vote. 6 Ayes, Commissioner Preus abstained. Motion carried. CONSENT AGENDA ASCENSION LUTHERAN CHURCH (94103) Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Ascension Lutheran Church for a Site Plan Amendment for parking lot expansion at 15870 46th Avenue North. MOTION by, Commissioner Black, seconded by Commissioner Preus to recommend approval of te request by Ascension Lutheran Church fora Site Plan Amendment for parking lot expansion at 15870 46th Avenue North, subject to all conditions listed in the September 28, 1994 staff report. Vote. 7 Ayes. Motion carried. a Planning Commission Minutes October 12, 1994 Page 204 FRED KNUTSON (94113) Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Fred Knutson for a Site Plan Amendment for a 3 -season porch at 14025-2 44th Place North. MOTION by Commissioner Black, seconded by Commissioner Preus to recommend approval of the inquest by Fred Knutson for a Site Plan Amendment for a 3 -season porch at 14025-2 44th Place North, subject to all conditions listed in the September 30, 1994 staff report. Vote. 7 Ayes. Motion carried. HARTY AND STENGLEIN (94115) Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Harty and Stenglein for a Lot Division/Consolidation and Variance for properties located at 2900 Medicine Lake Blvd. Bast and 2845 Medicine Ridge Road. MOTION by Commissioner Black, seconded by Commissioner Preus to recommend approval of the request by Harty and Stenglein for a Lot Division/Consolidation and Variance for properties located at 2900 Medicine Lake Blvd. Bast and 2845 Medicine Ridge Road, subject to all conditions listed in the October 3, 1994 staff report. Voter 7 Ayes. Motion carried. CARLSON REAL ESTATE (94088) Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Carlson Real Estate for a PUD Concept Plan, Preliminary Plan/Plat, Conditional Use Permit, Final Plan/Plat and Variance for a hotel, two restaurants and future office development for property located at the southwest intersection of 1-494 and Carlson Parkway. Associate Planner Keho reviewed the October 4, 1994 staff report. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr, Brad Lis, representing the petitioner. Mr, Lis showed the Commissioners a drawing, of the proposed buildings. He explained the concept of connecting the hotel' by walkways with the two restaurants. Commissioner Black asked if thele would be recycling facilities within the hotel. Mr. Lis responded that the hotel would be recycling. a Planning Commission Minutes October 12, 1994 Page 205 Chairman Stulberg opened the Public Hearing. Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Dorothy Ciskovsky of 14316 Carlson Parkway. Ms. Ciskovsky asked what direction the complex would face and asked how far the buildings would be setback from the roadway. She said she wants landscaping to shield the site from the residential homes in the area. Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. 'Gin Weidenfeller of 14509 Gleason Lake Drive. Ms. Weidenfeller stated that she was concerned with the entrance and exit from the site onto Carlson Parkway. She said she wanted to know where the parking lot would be. She said the landscaping was also a concern. She said she wanted to see the original aesthetic plans for Carlson Center continued throughout the development. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Al Gustner of 14611 Gleason lake Drive. Mr. Gustner stated he was concerned with the hours of the restaurants and the hotel and the resulting noise. He said this development would not be a benefit to the residential neighborhood. He said that the industrial area close to his homewasintrusive, and the landscaping was not done. Chairman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing. Mr. Lis responded that the buildings will face Carlson Parkway although they are adjacent to 1-494. He said that they will save the wetlands and many of the trees and will add additional landscaping. He said that the restaurant will be 400 feet from the street, with the entrance across from Gleason Lake Road. Re said they will continue the aesthetics of the Carlson Center project. Associate Planner Keho discussed the additional plan for landscaping. He explained that the zero -foot setbacks were just internal between the buildings not from the roadways. City Engineer Faulknerstated that the only access to the site would be from Carlson Parkway. He discussed the traffic study and explained that Carlson Parkway was designed to handle this level of traffic along with a traffic signal. Associate Planner Keho discussed the landscaping at the entrance from Carlson Parkway. Mr. Lis stated that the hours of operation for Itailannis would be until 2:00 a.m, as they will have a bar and the hotel would be open for business anytime. He pointed out where the trash areas would be at the rear of buildings along 1-494. He said the buildings as well as the distance from the residences will buffer this area. He said there would be many benefits to the City resulting from this development including Planning Commission Minutes October 12, 1994 i Page 206 more land developed on the Carlson Center development, more taxes, more jobs, some amenities with the restaurants, and the hotel would provide a place for visitors to the City to stay. Associate Planner Keho stated that all the uses are in conformance with the guide plan. Director Hurlburt asked what the original plans included for this site. Mr. Lis responded that the original plans included some general retail and 300,000 !/ square feet of industrial, which was later changed to office use. This plan includes 180,000 square feet for office use. He said that the wetland were not an issue at the j time the plans was approved. Commissioner Black asked if the vegetation around the wetlands would be cleared. Steve Pellinen, a representative of the petitioner, responded that some selective clearing would be done near the wetland, but nothing in the wetland He said that some degradation has already been done by highway department. Commissioner Black asked what was happening to the: storm water drainage. Mr. Pellinen stated that currently drainage was being collected into a treatment pond, and when the remaining project is completed there will be a larger ponding site in Minnetonka to handle the water. Commissioner Oja asked if deliveries would be behind the building and during regular business hours. She said she would not want to see deliveries during the night. Commissioner Ribbe asked if the building was 400 feet from the Carlson Parkway entrance. Mr. Lis stated yes. Commissioner Oja asked if the parking area near the entrance to the site would be used by employees. Mr. Lis responded that it would. Commissioner Albro asked if approval of this request would also approve the liquor license. Director Hurlburt responded that liquor licenses are approved through the City Council. M0110N by Commissioner Black, seconded by Commissioner Preus to recommendapprovaloftherequest, for a MPUD Concept for Carlson Real Estate for property o Planning Commission Mnutes October 12, 1994 Page 207 located at the southwest comer of I-494 and Carlson Parkway, subject to the conditionslistedintheOctober4, 1994 staff report Roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote. MOTiORT by Chairman Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Albro to recommend appmval of the request for a WUD Preliminary PLur/Plat, Conditional Use Permit and staff report. Variancert. Carlson Real Estate, subject to the conditions listed in the October 4, 1994eport. Roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote. MOTION by Chairman Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Black to recommend approval of the MPUD Final Site Plan/Plat and ConditionalUse Permit for CarlsonRealEstate, subject to all conditions listed in the October 4, 1994 staff report. Roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote. LUNDGREN BROS. CONSTRUCTION (94090) Chairman Stulberg introduced the inquest by Lundgren Bros. Construction for consideration of an Environmental Assessment Worksheet for property located at thenortheastintersectionofPeoryLaneandOldRockfordRoad. Planning Supervisor Senness reviewed the October 5, 1994 staff report. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Terry Porbord representing the petitioner. Mr. Forbord stated that this site is typical to other sites developed in this quadrant oftheCity. He introduced other members of the development team present at themeeting. Mr. John Uban discussed the site, where Schmidt Lake Road would go through thesite; the located of treed arras and the railroad tracks. He said this would be a singlefamilydevelopment. He said the focus of the EAW is the drainage and wetlands on site. Them would be 8 ponds on the site and the wetlands would W fed with treated water. Along Rockford Road the area would be preserved in a natural condition. HesaidtheEAWindicatesthewetlandscanbepreservedandthattrafficimpactsfallwithinexpectedconstraints. Commissioner Ribbe referred to page 8 where discussion of lowering the water levelwasdiscussed, He asked if the need to add water was a seasonal need. Planning Commission Minutes October 12, 1994 Page 208 Mr. Uban stated that the upper wetland is self-contained and water from adjacent streets will be directed back into the upper wetland. He said that the end product should be better than what is there today. Commissioner Ribbe asked for an explanation of a "weir". Mr. Ken Adolf explained that a weir is a method of self -controlling, water levels. Commissioner Black asked if the east pond and some of the other ponds were created wetlands. Mr. Uban responded yes, they create a way to retain the water on the site. Discussion ensued on access to the site from County Road 9. Commissioner Black asked about soil excavation. Mr. Uban stated all soils will be retained on the site. Commissioner Black asked if the buffer zones proposed would be 25 feet from the wetlands and if back yards would be a minimum of 15 feet from the wetland. Mr. Ubanresponded yes, but stated that speck development questions will be a partofthedevelopmentproposal. Chairman Stulberg opened the Public Hearing. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Gary Anderson of 4520 Holly Lane. Mr. Anderson asked if the southeasterly drainage would be going through his yard. He said he thought water would drain on the east side of the site to the culvert near his home which he perceived would be unmanageable. He said he would like an underground pipe or some way to control the water. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Richard Deziel of 16100 46th Avenue North, owner ofHollydale Golf Course. Mr. Deziel stated his concerns were with water and Schmidt hake Road and where the road will go. He said if the water flows out to the east it will flow to the golf course. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. George Faue of 4425 Holly Lane. Mr. Faun stated that the creek through his property flows under Rockford Road and when the County extended the culvert it satisfactorily controlled the drainago. He said his concern is with additional drainage from this site. 0 Planning Commission Minutes October 12, 1994 Page 209 Chairman Stulberg closed the Public, Hearing. Mr. Adolf addressed the drainage patterns on the site. He said there would be four large basins on the site which will function as an amenity on the site and will control mnoff to the east. The discharge would be controlled and stored and would be less than the current rete. City Engineer Faulkner stated that the drainage plan will be reviewed as part of the review of the development proposal. Commissioner Ribbe asked if water flow would be lower than presently. Mr. Adolph stated that they would lower the water table. Chairman Stulberg asked about impact to adjoining property. Associate Planner Keho stated that the intent is to ensure that runoff is not increased after development from the present situation. Chairman Stulberg stated that this plan does not include Schmidt Lake Road. Director Horlburt stated that Schmidt Iake Road is shown on the plan as the City has projected but the exact alignment of Schmidt lake Road has not yet been determined. Mr. Adolph stated that then: are some problems at the southeast comer and they will investigate this situation and it will be addressed soon. Commissioner; Black asked about drainage ditches and drain file on the site. Mr. Adolf stated that the ditch would be abated. He said they don't know if there is drain tile on the site and this will be discovered during construction. If there is it will need to be connected on the east portion of the site. Commissioner Black asked if there will be other ponds besides the wetlands. Mr. Adolf stated that some will be mitigated. Commissioner Black asked what would be done to protect wet basements in the homes. Mr. Adolf stated that they will use drain tile. Commissioner Black asked who would be responsible for the maintenance of the ponds, the HOA? Mr. Foriwrd responded that ponds are part of the stony water management plan which will be integrated into the City's storm water management plan. They will be located a Planning Commission Minutes October 12, 1994 Page 210 in the easements, and will be maintained by the City. The ponds will also absorb waterfromoutsidethesite. Commissioner Black asked for an explanation of the slope design for the ponds. Mr. Adolf discussed the slopes. He said that the iarge ponds are part of the storm water management plan and not included in the wetland mitigation; the ponds in the center are storm water basins; and the ponds at south will be mitigated. Commissioner Black asked if the PCA has requirements. Mr. Adolf responded yes. Commissioner Black asked if a bond is posted to cover the drainage plan during thepariodwherethisismoritoredfor4to5years. City Engineer Faulkner stated there is a maintenance agreement with bonds paid by thedeveloper. Mr. Foriwrd'stated that Churchill Farms and Heather Run and other developments are very similar to this site. He said the wetland on the west was large and development would be dewatered. He said the that the developer needed to know what affect this would have on the wetland. He explained how they tested the area and what led to their suggestion that the BAW be done. Commissioner Black discussed on page 14 the water bodies receiving runoff from the site and said that the runoff would eventually go into the Mississippi River. Commissioner Albro stated that on page 3 it states that erosion control procedures will be appropriate—what's appropriate. He said much damage is caused to the wetlands attheconstructionphase, City Engineer Faulkner responded that erosion control measures are a pan; of thedevelopmentplan. Commissioner Albro questioned the lowering of the water table. He said this is mainlydonesothedevelopercanconstructcertaintypesofbuildings. He said that there is no assurance of dry buildings so he asked why the statement is in the report. Mr. Forbord responded that this is stated because this type of guarantee cannot be made. The builder will follow the standards and build to those techniques, the basement should be dry, but if an unusual event occurs, no one can guarantee whetherthebasementwillgetwetornot. Mr. Uban stated that the City requested this statement Planning Commission Minutes October 12, 1994 Page 211 Commissioner Preus stated he was looking for the reasons why this EAW was done and what was it attempting to accomplish and what has been accomplished. Planning Supervisor Senness stated that the City asked for the EAW because of concerns regarding the hydrology and water table. She said :the HAW is to gather information and determine whether there will be significant effects. She said that Item 32 suggests follow up monitoring of the site for five years. Chairman Stulberg explained that ;at this point we arejust looking for input and this is not the final document. The City Council will determine whether and Environmental Impact Statement will Lit; needed once all the information is gathered. Director Hurlburt explained the EAW process and the agencies that receive and review the EAW. Commissioner Preus,stated his two concerns were that the HAW would ensure the developer's intent to develop a certain type of home and that there would be no wet basements resulting from the water table. Director Hurlburt stated that an HIS would determine alternatives to the type of development. Mr. Forhord stated that a large part of Plymouth would not have been developed if the water table was not lowered. A good parttofthe metropolitan area has a high water table. Commissioner Albto asked about the road system and asked if it was significant that the road crosses the wetland in four areas. Director Hurlburt stated that we will have to determine how much of the wetland will be filled and if it significant, She said this issue is complex and needs to be looked' at overall. Commissioner Albin stated that if it is a low ,quality wetland there would not be as much concern than if it was a high quality wetland, Director Hurlburt stated that no action is necesaary on the EAW, that this item is presented just for the comments. Planning Supervisor Senness stated that area where the roads cross the wetland will have to be mitigated and will be sent to the City Council for mitigation. Mr. Frank Svoboda, a representative of the petitioner; stated that wetland evaluation of the site indicated that there has been some disturbance of the site in tine past. Commissioner Black asked if tite site would retain more or less water.. a Planning Commission Minutes October 12, 1994 Page 212 Mr. Adolf responded that they cannot provide a clear answer at this time but it will be as good as it is now. the main concern is to control the runoff rate. Commissioner Black asked if there was a way to ensure that sump systems are functioning properly. Chairman Stulberg stated that this was not apart of the RAW. Director Hurlburt stated that there are City codes pertaining to sump system requirements. Chairman Stulberg stated that comments made on the PAW will go the City Council on November 7. He asked if some criteria could be established before the next discussion of an EAW. Commissioner Black stated she would like more time in the future to read a document of this length. Discussion ensued on EAW preparation and guidelines set forth by the Environmental Quality Board. Director Hurlburt stated that staff will include how the EAW meets the thresholds in future staff reports: Chairman Stulberg called a recess at 9:20 p.m.; the meeting reconvened at 9:35 p.m. ORRIN THOMPSONHOMFS (94104) Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Orrin Thompson Homes for a RPUD Preliminary Plan/Plat and Variance for Westbranch 4th Addition located at northeast intersection of Roekfe d Road and Dunkirk Lane. Associate Planner Keho reviewed the October 4, 1994 staff report, Commissioner Oja asked what the allowed cut -de -sac length is according to the ordinance. Associate Planner Keho responded that it is 500 feet. Commissioner Black asked for information on the storm water drainage on the site. City Engineer Faulkner stated there would be two NURP ponds on the site which would be directed into the City storm water drainage system. He said that County Planning Commission Minutes October 12, 1994 Page 213 Road 9 will also have a storm water fi-amage system when constructed. He said that an additional pond will be installed on the north which will be incorporated on the plans. Associate Planner Keho stated that the original 23 homes would have occupied a smaller area than what the 15 proposed on this plan will occupy. Chairman Stulberg intmduceS Mr. Bill Pritchard representing the petitioner. Chairman Stulberg opened and closed the Public Hearing as there was no one present to speak on the request. MOTION by Commissioner Black, seconded by CommissionerRibbe to recommend approval of the inquest by Orrin Thompson Homes for a RPUD Preliminary Plan/Plat and Variance for Westbranch 4th Addition located at the northeast intersection of Rockford Road and Dunkirk lane, subject to all conditions listed in the October 4, 1994 staff report. Roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes. L,A. DONNAY-TIMBERTON TOWNHOAM (94106) Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by L.A. Donny for a Preliminary Plat, Site Plan, Conditional Use Permit and Variance for Timberton Townhouses located at the southwest comer of Ranchview Lane and 28th Avenue North. Associate Planner Keho reviewed the October 3, 1994 staff report. Chairman Stulberg asked when the City would do the water treatment pond for this site and would it be done prior to this project. City Engineer Faulkner stated that it would probably be done this winter. Commissioner Albro asked what the regional treatment pond would be like. City Engineer Faulkner stated that it would be similar to a sedimentation vault. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Mike Gair representing the petitioner. Mr. Gair stated that the density of this proposal is consistent with the earlier approval. The homes will be 2 story townhomes. He said this site is complex because of the in place utilities and because of the site configuration it was determined to move the pond off site, He explained that the reason they chose to move the drainage off site was because of the topography of the site. There will be no filling of the wetland or alteration on the site. The remaining lot will remain as open space and will be a Planning Commission Minutes October 12, 1994 Page 214 maintained by the HOA. He said the pool area is on the Tim berton site and is not a part of this proposal. Chairman Stulberg opened the Public Hearing. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Daniel Powers, of 2708 Shenandoah Lane, president of the Shenandoah HOA. W. Powers stated his concern with the possible. loss of the trees separating the Shenandoah development from this proposal. He said he was interested in where the access to the site would be and where the streets would be. Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Charlotte Stratman of 15555-C 26th Avenue North:: Ms. Stratman, President of Timberton HOA, stated the swimming pool is some distance from their buildings and her concern was the open area between their homes and the pool which is covered with weeds and subject to vandalism. She asked for some solution to this problem. She said she was also concerned with the pond on the site and wanted it to remain as is. She said she also objected to the use of the Timberton name for this proposed project. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Steve Palm of 15600-D 26th Avenue North. Mr. Palm stated his concern was with the pond on the site and the reduced water level this summer. He said he attributed the reduced water level to the construction in the Parkers Lake development. He said he was also concerned about where the water from the NURP pond would go. He asked why homes were never built in the area between the pool and his development. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. David Ursh of 15730 26th Avenue North. Mr. Larsh stated his concern was the pond and possible water problems if the pond level were higher. He said the pool was originally to be shared with the Shenandoah. development. He said his concerns include the land between the pool and their development; how close the proposed building No. 4 is to the pool; the need for more privacy and security from this proposed site, possibly a berm; and the maintenance of the open space. He asked if there was a tree preservation plan. Chairman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing. Mr. Gair discussed and displayed the landscape plan. He said the knoll along Lot. 2 will be removed. He discussed the grade separation on the west between the Shenandoah site and this proposal. He said the major trees are on the southern part of the site and they eliminated a unit on the south so that the trees could be preserved and a retaining wall erected. He said the buildings would be east/west so the ends would be Planning Commission Minutes October 12, 1994 Page 215 exposed to Shenandoah development with a 7 foot grade separation. Only 2 windows above the patio doors on the upper level will be visible from the west. Ile discussed the distance from the west property line. Ingress and egress will be from Ranchview Lane, with no connections to 26th or 28th Avenue North. He discussed the proof -of -parking. Mr. Gair stated that as far as maintenance and security were concerned he felt that the new homes and homeowners would provide security. He said that the bituminous walkway will be severed when development begins and that Donnay will maintain the vacant area. He said that drainage would be from south to north and that the minor runoff from roofs would move to the pond area. He said that it should not increase the pond level. City Engineer Faulkner stated the plans are now under review and they would look closely at the pond level and if drainage issues affect the area they will be corrected. Mr. Gair stated that the effects of a regional treatment pond are being reviewed and there should be little if any fluctuations to the pond. Mr. Gair stated that the reason the vacant land adjacent to the pool was not developed was because of the poor subsoil conditions. He said the setbacks from building 4 to the pool facility at the southeast comer would be 40 feet and 60 feet. He explained the landscaping plan in the area of the pool and the two -foot grade separation. He said they eliminated plans for the construction of a unit in the southwest coiner so that they could preserve the trees. Mr. Gair described the flow to the regional drainage system stating that it was subject to engineering review and approval. Commissioner Oja stated she would like to see something worked out to keep the new owners out of the pool area. She asked if the developer could meet with the HOA and maybe the two developments could share the pool and this would be a marketing tool. Mr. Gair stated they will continue to look at the issue of the pool. Commissioner Preus stated that he perceived that the Shenandoah HOA did not want - others using the pool. Mr. Gair stated that a name change would be possible and a name change would probably eliminate an association to the pool. Chairman Stulberg stated that he thought a physical barrier would be the only way to separate the pool from the owners, in the proposed development. Mr. Gair stated that larger and more coniferous trees could be the answer. 0 Planning Commission Minutes October 12, 1994 Page 216 MOTION by Commissioner Albro, seconded by Commissioner Oja to table this request until the November 9, 1994 Planning Commission meeting and ask the petitioner to meet with the neighbors to resolve the issues of the pool, berming and landscaping. Roll Call Vote. 5 Ayes, Commissioners: Stimson and Chairman Stulberg voted Nay. Chairman Stulberg stated that he voted Nay because there are other ways to work the problems out without tabling the item. VOLP MANAGING (94120) Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Volp Managing for a Site Plan Amendment and Conditional Use Permit Amendment for outside storage for Minnesota Pump and Supply at 14100 and 14025 23rd Avenue North. Association Planner Keho reviewed the September 29, 1994 staff report. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Doug Luby representing the petitioner. Mr. Luby stated he had read the staff report and agrees with the conditions. Chairman Stulberg open and closed the Public Hearing as there was no one present to speak on the request. MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Black to recommend approval of the request by Volp Managing for a Site Plan Amendment and Conditional Use Permit Amendment for outside storage for Minnesota Pump and Supply at 14100 and 14025 23rd Avenue North, subject to all conditions listed in the September 29, 1994 staff report: Roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote CITY OF PLYMOUTH (94097) Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by the City of Plymouth to Amend the Zoning Ordinance to allow schools in non-residential districts. Associate Planner Keho reviewed the October 0, 1994. He said that a change needed to be included in the new ordinance draft to include the B-1 District. Chairman Stulberg asked what the guiding was for the Downtown Plymouth area. Associate Planner Keho responded that it was CC. a Planning Commission Minutes October 12, 1994 Page 217 Commissioner Preus stated that it was his understanding that the request by West Lutheran High School started this review process and they would have to come before the Planning Commission with a proposal for a Conditional Use Permit if this change was made !o the Zoning Ordinance. Chairman Stulberg opened and closed the Public Hearing as thele was no one present to speak on the subject. MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Preus to recommend approval of the request by the City of Plymouth to Amend the Zoning Ordinance to allow schools in non-residential districts. MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Black, seconded by Chairman Stulberg to include the 13-1 District in the Amendment. Roll Call Vote on Motion to Amend. 7 Ayes. Motion carried. Roll Call Vote on Main Motion. 6 Ayes, Commissioner Oja voted Nay. Motion carried on a 6 to 1 vote. MOTION FROM WATER QUALITY COM1v11TPEE Associate Planner Keho stated that the Water Quality Commission would like the Planning Commission to request presentations from interested environmental groups regarding the wetland ordinance. Director Hurlburt explained that this request resultedfrom the request of the Developer's Council to make a presentation before the Planning Commission. Chairman Stulberg stated that the Planning Commission did not agree to meet with the developers. He said he asked the developers to gather some information as to what a buffer would do to the cost of housing. He said that the Planning Commission is always willing to meet with interested parties and that there are still other meetings, all of which are open meetings, where interested parties can discuss, their ideas. Commissioner Ribbe asked who were they asking us to invite? Associate Planner Keho stated that the committee wanted an invitation issued to environmental groups. Commissioner Black stated that it was her understanding that the developers wanted to start up the Developer's Council meetings again and the Water Quality Committee felt this was preferential treatment to the developers and the other side of the issue should be given the same special treatment. a Planning Commission Minutes October 12, 1994 Page 218 Director Hurlburt stated that we can inform the Water Quality Committee of meetings and issue an invitation if the Commission desires. Commissioner Albro stated we should not take action as a body on this request as anyone is welcome to speak before the Planning Commission. The consensus of the Plarwng Commission was that all meetings are open for anyone's input and no action is necessary on this item. APPOIIy1111ENr TO TREE PRESERVATION COMMITTEE Commissiouer Black volunteered to be the Planning Commission's representative on the Tree Preservation Committee. WETLAND ORDINANCE PROGRESS Planning Supervisor Senness reviewed the progress. The field verification is near completion. She asked if the Commissioners wanted to continue both water quality and wild life habitat as objectives. Chairman Stulberg stated that the consensus of the meeting with the City Council was that just water quality was the issue. Commissioner Albro stated that water quality was his first objective, and as it relates to habitat as a by product. Commissioner Oja said she felt water quality was the main objective and in the process. the habitat. Commissioner Ribbe stated that he is working on the open space committee and there will be a way to pmtxthabitat; this ordinance should be mainly to protect water quality. Commissioner Preus stated he agreed. Commissioner Black stated that the objective is primarily water quality but habitat should also be considered as we can do something significant with this ordinance for song birds. Commissioner Stimson stated the objective should be water Quality. The mceting adjourned at 11:25 p.m, 0