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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 09-07-1994CITY OF PLYMOUTH PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES SEPTEMBER 7, 1994 The regular meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission was called to order at 7:00 p.m. by Chaitman Mike Stulberg. MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Mike Stulberg, Commissioners Barb Stimson, Ed Albro, Virginia Black, Linda Oja and Alen Ribbe. MEMBERS ABSENT: Commissioner Christian Pfeus STAFF PRESENT. Director Anne Hurlburt, City Engineer Dan Faulkner, Planning Supervisor Barbara Senness, Associate Planner John Keho, and Planning Secretary Jackie Watson APPROVAL OF AGENDA Commissioner Black added review of Plater Quality Meeting to the agenda under New Business. Chairman Stulberg added to New. Business the discussion of City Council Resolution 94-507. MOTION by Commissioner Albro, seconded by Commissioner Black to approve September7, 1994 agenda as amended. MINUTES: Commissioner Albro corrected paragraph 4 of page 164 by adding the word "the" in the fust sentence after 1006 of— and by changing the end of the sentence to read would not need as wide a buffer". 1 Commissioner Stimson said that her comment on page 168, paragraph 6 should be changed to state that the guiding should be looked at not changed. i MOTION by Commissioner Black, seconded by Commissioner Albro to approval the August 10, 1994 Planning Commission Minutes as amended. Vote. 6 Ayes. Motion carried. a Plarnng Commission Minutes September 7, 1994 Page 184 CONSENT AGEUN DA PROKASKY ARCHnECTS (94107) Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Pmkasky Architects for a Site Plan Amendment for Brookdale Fhaics for the construction of parking spaces at 9909 SouthShoreDrive. MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Oja to recommend approval of the request by Pnokasky Architects for a Site Plan Amendment for Brockdale Plastics for the construction of parking spaces at 9909 South Shore Drive, subject to all conditions listed in the August 31, 1994 staff report. Vote . 6 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote. RYAN CONSTRUCTION COMPANY (94085) rg introduced the request bRyan Construction Company fChairmanStulbergyuconor an Amended PUD Preliminary Plan/Final Site Plan, Conditional Use Permit and Lot Division for property located northwest of the intersection of Vinewood Lane and County Road 9. Associate Planner Keho reviewed the August 31, 1994 staff report, Commissioner Black asked if a traffic signal would be needed for the increase in traffic. City Engineer Faulkner stated that the traffic study indicated that a signal would not be needed. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Greg Madsen, representing the petitioner as project architect. Mr. Madsen described the building, and stated they are in agreement with the staff report and conditions. Chairman Stulberg opened the Public Hearing, Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Amy Arnost of 4215 Wedgewood lane. Itis. Amost stated her concern of the increased traffic; noise and pollution. She said that children play on the cul-de-sac (Vinewood Lane). She said they would be able to a Punning Commission Minutes. September 7, 1994 Page 185 see the drive through lanes from the homes to the north and they would like additional I landscaping to screen the site. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. John Donoghue of 4210 Wedgewood Lane. Mr. Donoghue stated he had the same concerns as Ms. Arnost including lights at night and would like some berming and landscaping to separate the site from the neighborhood to the north. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Pat Henkemeyer of 4205 Wedgewood Lane. Mr. Henkemeyer stated the notice location map was not accurate. He said he wasconcernedwiththetrafficincreaseandwantedsomethingtoblockthelightfrom vehicles in the evening. Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Holly McDonnell of 4230 Wedgewood Lang. Ms. McDonnell stated her concern was the traffic and the aesthetics. She said that the parking lot area for the bank would remove a grassy green area from the site. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Jeff Micheals of 4200 Wedgewood Lane. Mr. Micheals stated his home was closest to the proposed bank location and he would like a barrier of trees to block the noise and pollution: Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Dennis Murschel of 4220 Wedgewood Lane. Mr. Mursehel did not speak, stating his concerns had been expressed. Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Bev Wedel of 4225 Wedgewood Lane. Ms. Wedel stated that the intersection from Target and Rainbow is already busy and the bank would increase this congestion at this spot. Chairman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing. Mr. Madsen stated that they would be willing to add additional landscaping on the boundary of the proposed bank site. He said that the original plan approved for thissitewasforalargerbuildingthanwhatthebankwouldbe. Chairman Stulberg asked about the view from the north. Mr. Madsen said that the homeowners would not see the building, only the drive through canopy and the trees will shield most of this. He said that they could possibly a Planning commission Minutes September 7, 1994 Page 186 raise the berm a small amount and add some additional trees. He said the bank will blend with the Target building: City Engineer Faulkner explained the traffic study and stated that the intersection willstillremainatacceptablelevelswiththeadditionaltrafficgeneratedbythebank. Chairman Stulberg stated that the parking lot would need to remain separate from the Target parking lot as this will be a,separate parcel. Associate Planner Keho stated that the property notices were mailed to the correct citizens although the placement of the bank on the map should have included a little more of the area to the north. Commissioner Albro asked why additional landscaping could not be required on the Target site. Mr. Madsen stated that the Target site has another owner and they cannot plant on another owner's property. Commissioner Albro stated that he did not thunk the bank was needed. He said that there should be some space around the Target site and this project would use up the space which he did not feel enhanced the public welfare. Mr. Madsen slated that Ryan Company owns the space and feels this projec lis an attribute to the site. He said they would not put in a facility which would out be'a positive to the area. Commissioner Albro asked why the drive aisles were designed in a backward fashion. Mr. Madsen stated that the design was felt to be the best plan for the site. Commission Albro stated that at night the headlights would be intrusive to the neighborhood. Mr. Madsen stated that they would be willing to increase the landscaping. Associate Planner Keho stated that this proposed building is smaller than what was anticipated and approved for the site and even though there is presently open space it was never intended to be left as such once the site was fully developed. Director Hurlburt stated that no one could enter the driveup from the south, Planning Commission Minutes September 7,1994 Page 187 Commissioner Oja asked if the original PUD approval would have allowed Target to expand and use the space instead of this plan for a separate building with drive aisles. She asked if another expansion would have also included additional parking spaces. Associate Planner Kebo explained the proof -of -parking plan from the original approval. Commissioner Oja stated she was not in favor of a separate building because possibly in the future if the bank left the site this would leaves an odd shaped building on the site. She said she could not see anyone parking to use the bank except by parking in the Target parking lot which did not seem safe. Mr. Madsen stated that there would be a sidewalk from die bank parking to the bank front door. Commissioner Oja stated that if she were to visit the bank she would not walk from the parking lot. She said she felt this was a bad plan and not good for consumer use. Mr. Larry Rose, a representative of the petitioner, said an average day will generate about 700 cars. He said there is also an ATM machine in the Target store. He said the bank employees will use the parking lot of the bank.. He said that the bank business will include more inside use than outside use. Commissioner Albro asked if there would be access to the bank from inside the Target store. Mr. Rose responded there would be no access from Target. MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Ribbe to recommend approval of the request by Ryan Construction Company for an Amended PUD Preliminary plan/Final Site plan, Conditional Use Permit and Lot Division for property located northwest of the intersection of Vinewood Lane and County Road 9, subject to all conditions listed in the August 31, 1994 staff report.. MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Black to add a condition stating that the developer should cooperate with the City to add berming and landscaping to the north side of the site where possible. Director Hurlburt stated that the petitioner might negotiate with Target to get them to add some landscaping. Roll Call Vote on the. Motion to Amend. 6 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote. Planning Commission Minutes September 7, 1994 Page 188 MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Albro, seconded by CommissionerBlack that screening of 80 percent opacity be required on the north of Dayton Hudson's property to stop view of headlights from the neighborhood to the north. Commissioner Stimson stated that she opposes this amendment since the landscaping plan for the project was previously approved and it is unfair to change this after approval. Commissioner Albro stated that this use was not anticipated at time of the previous approval. Roll Call Vote on Motion to Amend. 4 Ayes, Commissioners Stimson and Chairman Stulberg voted Nay. Motion passed on a 4 to 2 vote. Roll Call Vote on Main Motion as amended. 5 Ayes, Commissioner Oja vote Nay. Motion carried on a 5 to 1 vote. PRIW BUILDERS, INC. (94091) t Chairman Stulberg introduced the inquest by Prime Builders, Inc. for Rezoning, a Preliminary Plat, Final Plat, Site Plan and Conditional Use Permit for Hickory Hills for the construction of a 98 -unit townhome project and an outlot for future commercial development located at the southwest comer of Bass Lake Road and Nathan Lane North. Associate Planner Keho reviewed the August 29, 1994 staff report. Commissioner Ribbe asked if the street at the northwest shown as a loop would be a dead end street. He asked if all access to the site would be from Nathan Lane. j Associate Planner Keho responded yes'. He said that there would be no access from this development into the development to the south. Associate Phumer Keho discussed the reasons for the private streets within the site. He said that there will not be individual lots for each unit. Commissioner Black asked what the percentage lot coverage would be. Director Hurlburt explained that the lots with lower coverage include more open space Commissioner Albro asked if the drainage would be treated by NURP ponds. Planning Commission Minutes Serlember 7, 1994 Page 199 City Engineer Faulkner stated that some of the water would drain off the site but that most would drain into the NURP ponds. Commissioner Albm asked who maintains the NURP ponds. Chairman Stulberg introduced the petitioner W. John DeVries. Mr. DeVries explained that the reason for the private street was because the City Council voted not to bring apublic street to this area. He said that they have done as much as possible to direct water to the NURP pond on the site but the huge wetland presents a challenge. He said they have tried to adhere to the guidelines that will be imposed by the new wetland ordinance. Runoff will be minimal and they would bring in a storm sewer if necessary. He said there are two wetlands on the east. Mr. DeVries stated that all improvements will be maintained by the HOA; including storm sewers. He said that funds will be maintained to cover all the amenities of the site. Commissioner Ribbe stated that it looked as if only a small percentage of drainage would drain to the north. Mr. DeVries explained the drainage percentages. Chairman Stulberg opened the Public Hearing. Chairman Stulberg introduced a letter into the record from the adjoining commercial property owner. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Al Marfiz of 9900 54th Place. Mr. Marfiz asked if Nathan Lane would be cut through and how would it go. Associated Planner Keho explained how the streetwould nun. Mr. Marfiz stated that the street should be posted for no truck parking, as trucks park over near the telephone area at night. He said he felt this was agood' project. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Ken Wendinger of 5465 Orleans lane. W. Wendinger asked if the present read system would bear the increase in ttatiic. He asked the location of the NURP pond and if it was possible that the storm sewer water flow would go south into the west portion of Cardinal Ridge. a Planning. Commissi on Mnutm September 7, 1994 Page 190 City Engineer Faulkner stated viater from the NURP pond will flow to the northwest and that any additional water :iould flow north, not into, Cardinal Ridge. Mr. Wendinger asked what the approximate cost of the proposed homes would be. City Engineer Faulkner stated that thepresent roads can handle traffic consistent with the guiding and that this development was anticipated. Chairman Stulberg stated that the developer is not required to quote costs of proposed homes. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Gordon Miller of 6017 Rhode Island. Mr. Miller asked why the site would have a private road. Associate Planner Keho explained the many issues and concerns with a public sheet. Director Hurlburt stated that Nathan lane would be a public street but all internal streets will be private. W. Wendinger asked where the mitgated wetlands would be placed. Associate Planner Keho explained. Chairman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing. Mr. DeVries stated this development design will be similar to the Plymouth Green area. He said costs were not definite but will be ready in about a month. Commissioner Black asked why the design was described as condominiums. Chairman Stulberg stated this is a tern of ownership even though the design looks like a townhome. Ile building owner; will not own the lots. MOTION by Commissioner Ribbe, seconded by Commissioner Oja, to recommend approval of the inquest by Prime Builders, Inc. for Rezoning, a Preliminary Plat, Final Plat, Site Plan and Conditional Use Permit for Hickory Hills for the construction of a 98 -unit townhome project and an outlot for future commercial development located at the southwest comer of Bass take Road and Nathan Lane North, subject to all conditions listed in the August 29, 1994 staff report. Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote. a Planning Commission Minutes September 7, 1994 Page 191 SOUTH CREEK DANCE CENTER (94101) Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by the South Creek Dance Center to allow for the operation of a dance studio in the Industrial District located at 1864 Berkshire lane North. Associate Planner Keho reviewed the August 31, 1994 staff report. Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Ella Keene, the petitioner. Ms. Keene described her proposed use and stated that she agreed with the conditions in the staff report. Chairman Stulberg opened and closed the Public Hearing as there was no one present to speak on the proposal. MOTION by Commissioner Black, seconded by Commissioner Stimson to recommend approval of the request by South Creek Dance Center to allow for the operation of a dance studioin the Industrial District located at 1864 Berkshire Lane North, subject to all conditions listed in the August 31, 1994 staff report. MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Oja to recommend an annual review of this request. MOTION`.died for lack of a second. Chairman Stulberg stated that a Conditional Use Permit can be revoked and brought to the Planning Commission for renewal at any time N there are problems. Roll. Call Vote, 6 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote. Chairman Stulberg called a recess at 8:30 p.m.; the meeting reconvened at 8:45 pm. EXISTING LAND USE INVENTORY AND LAND USE FORECASTS Director Hurlburt gave an overview of the information in the report. She stated that the Geographic Information System (GIS) was used to generate the information along with the City data base and records from Hennepin County. She displayed maps generated by the. GIS system and explained the charts in the report. Commissioner Ribbe asked what projections growth is based on. Director Huriburt explained. PlanningCommission Minutes September 7, 1994 Page 192 Commissioner Ribbe stated that if there is a shortage of residegtial property in Plymouth, the expected population growth will go elsewhere. Director Hurlbut stated that could happen. Director Hurlburt explained how projections are made by the Metropolitan Council at the request of Commissioner Black. CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 94507 FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A. WORK PLAN Chairman Stulberg discussed the process for setting a work plan and suggested a meeting with the City Council. Commissioner Albro stated that the Commission plan is mostly driven by what comes in the door. Chairman Stulberg stated there are other things such as the Comprehensive Plan which will need updating and can be added into a work plan. Director Hurlburt stated that if the Commissioners have some things that they want to work on, the Council would like, to look at what these things are. Commissioner Black stated that the City Council is trying to meshsome of the items. being worked on by different committees. Chairman Stulberg reminded the Commissioners that they should submit the contents of any public communications to the City in advance ofpublic release. WETLAND ORDINANCE UPDATE Planning Supervisor Senness reviewed the increased wetiand field survey work which will include existing developed property. She reviewed the revised Wetland Ordinance schedule. She reviewed the summary report of the wetland meetings held with the public and the. developers. Commissioner Black asked what the memo indicated. Are we not considering wildlife habitat. a Planning Comnussion Minutes September7, 1994 Page 193 Planning Supervisor Senness stated that the primary concern of the wetland ordinance is water quality and the memo indicates the questions raised at the public meetings and how the consultants will determine the answers to these items. Commissioner Black said she wanted a summary of what concerns people expressed including what they were asking as well as Telling vs. Chairman Stulberg asked if Commissioners wanted more detailed notes of the meetings. Commissioner Ribbe stated that the summary is fine as long as the notes are available. Commissioner Black asked fora copy of Planning SupervisorSenness' notes. Commissioner Black stated that citizen comments to her stated the consultants had done a good job. WATER QUALITY COMMITTEE MEETING REVIEW Commissioner Black gave a review of her attendance at the Water Quality Committee meeting. She relayed the availability of phosphorus free fertilizers. Commissioner Ribbe discussed the contents of fertilizers. Chairman Stulberg suggested that the PUD study done by the Planning Commission earlier could be reviewed as it may have some impact on this study. Director Hurlburt stated that this will be reviewed in the near future. Chairman Stulberg reminded the Commission that the developer and a citizen can be one and 'the same and this should be remembered and they should not be placed at odds against one another. Commissioner Black handed out a Primer on Wetlands to the Commissioners. MOTION to adjourn by Commissioner Ribbe, seconded by Commissioner Oja. The meeting adjourned at 10:25 p.m. 0