HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 09-07-1994CITY OF PLYMOUTH
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
SEPTEMBER 7, 1994
The regular meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission was called to order at 7:00
p.m. by Chaitman Mike Stulberg.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Mike Stulberg, Commissioners Barb Stimson,
Ed Albro, Virginia Black, Linda Oja and Alen Ribbe.
MEMBERS ABSENT: Commissioner Christian Pfeus
STAFF PRESENT. Director Anne Hurlburt, City Engineer Dan Faulkner,
Planning Supervisor Barbara Senness, Associate Planner
John Keho, and Planning Secretary Jackie Watson
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Commissioner Black added review of Plater Quality Meeting to the agenda under New
Business.
Chairman Stulberg added to New. Business the discussion of City Council Resolution
94-507.
MOTION by Commissioner Albro, seconded by Commissioner Black to approve
September7, 1994 agenda as amended.
MINUTES:
Commissioner Albro corrected paragraph 4 of page 164 by adding the word "the" in
the fust sentence after 1006 of— and by changing the end of the sentence to read
would not need as wide a buffer". 1
Commissioner Stimson said that her comment on page 168, paragraph 6 should be
changed to state that the guiding should be looked at not changed.
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MOTION by Commissioner Black, seconded by Commissioner Albro to approval the
August 10, 1994 Planning Commission Minutes as amended.
Vote. 6 Ayes. Motion carried.
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CONSENT AGEUN DA
PROKASKY ARCHnECTS (94107)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Pmkasky Architects for a Site Plan
Amendment for Brookdale Fhaics for the construction of parking spaces at 9909 SouthShoreDrive.
MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Oja to recommend
approval of the request by Pnokasky Architects for a Site Plan Amendment for
Brockdale Plastics for the construction of parking spaces at 9909 South Shore Drive,
subject to all conditions listed in the August 31, 1994 staff report.
Vote . 6 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote.
RYAN CONSTRUCTION COMPANY (94085)
rg introduced the request bRyan Construction Company fChairmanStulbergyuconor an
Amended PUD Preliminary Plan/Final Site Plan, Conditional Use Permit and Lot
Division for property located northwest of the intersection of Vinewood Lane and
County Road 9.
Associate Planner Keho reviewed the August 31, 1994 staff report,
Commissioner Black asked if a traffic signal would be needed for the increase in
traffic.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that the traffic study indicated that a signal would not be
needed.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Greg Madsen, representing the petitioner as project
architect.
Mr. Madsen described the building, and stated they are in agreement with the staff
report and conditions.
Chairman Stulberg opened the Public Hearing,
Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Amy Arnost of 4215 Wedgewood lane.
Itis. Amost stated her concern of the increased traffic; noise and pollution. She said
that children play on the cul-de-sac (Vinewood Lane). She said they would be able to
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see the drive through lanes from the homes to the north and they would like additional
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landscaping to screen the site.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. John Donoghue of 4210 Wedgewood Lane.
Mr. Donoghue stated he had the same concerns as Ms. Arnost including lights at night
and would like some berming and landscaping to separate the site from the
neighborhood to the north.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Pat Henkemeyer of 4205 Wedgewood Lane.
Mr. Henkemeyer stated the notice location map was not accurate. He said he wasconcernedwiththetrafficincreaseandwantedsomethingtoblockthelightfrom
vehicles in the evening.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Holly McDonnell of 4230 Wedgewood Lang.
Ms. McDonnell stated her concern was the traffic and the aesthetics. She said that the
parking lot area for the bank would remove a grassy green area from the site.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Jeff Micheals of 4200 Wedgewood Lane.
Mr. Micheals stated his home was closest to the proposed bank location and he would
like a barrier of trees to block the noise and pollution:
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Dennis Murschel of 4220 Wedgewood Lane.
Mr. Mursehel did not speak, stating his concerns had been expressed.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Bev Wedel of 4225 Wedgewood Lane.
Ms. Wedel stated that the intersection from Target and Rainbow is already busy and the
bank would increase this congestion at this spot.
Chairman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing.
Mr. Madsen stated that they would be willing to add additional landscaping on the
boundary of the proposed bank site. He said that the original plan approved for thissitewasforalargerbuildingthanwhatthebankwouldbe.
Chairman Stulberg asked about the view from the north.
Mr. Madsen said that the homeowners would not see the building, only the drive
through canopy and the trees will shield most of this. He said that they could possibly
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raise the berm a small amount and add some additional trees. He said the bank will
blend with the Target building:
City Engineer Faulkner explained the traffic study and stated that the intersection willstillremainatacceptablelevelswiththeadditionaltrafficgeneratedbythebank.
Chairman Stulberg stated that the parking lot would need to remain separate from the
Target parking lot as this will be a,separate parcel.
Associate Planner Keho stated that the property notices were mailed to the correct
citizens although the placement of the bank on the map should have included a little
more of the area to the north.
Commissioner Albro asked why additional landscaping could not be required on the
Target site.
Mr. Madsen stated that the Target site has another owner and they cannot plant on
another owner's property.
Commissioner Albro stated that he did not thunk the bank was needed. He said that
there should be some space around the Target site and this project would use up the
space which he did not feel enhanced the public welfare.
Mr. Madsen slated that Ryan Company owns the space and feels this projec lis an
attribute to the site. He said they would not put in a facility which would out be'a
positive to the area.
Commissioner Albro asked why the drive aisles were designed in a backward fashion.
Mr. Madsen stated that the design was felt to be the best plan for the site.
Commission Albro stated that at night the headlights would be intrusive to the
neighborhood.
Mr. Madsen stated that they would be willing to increase the landscaping.
Associate Planner Keho stated that this proposed building is smaller than what was
anticipated and approved for the site and even though there is presently open space it
was never intended to be left as such once the site was fully developed.
Director Hurlburt stated that no one could enter the driveup from the south,
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Commissioner Oja asked if the original PUD approval would have allowed Target to
expand and use the space instead of this plan for a separate building with drive aisles.
She asked if another expansion would have also included additional parking spaces.
Associate Planner Kebo explained the proof -of -parking plan from the original approval.
Commissioner Oja stated she was not in favor of a separate building because possibly
in the future if the bank left the site this would leaves an odd shaped building on the
site. She said she could not see anyone parking to use the bank except by parking in
the Target parking lot which did not seem safe.
Mr. Madsen stated that there would be a sidewalk from die bank parking to the bank
front door.
Commissioner Oja stated that if she were to visit the bank she would not walk from the
parking lot. She said she felt this was a bad plan and not good for consumer use.
Mr. Larry Rose, a representative of the petitioner, said an average day will generate
about 700 cars. He said there is also an ATM machine in the Target store. He said the
bank employees will use the parking lot of the bank.. He said that the bank business
will include more inside use than outside use.
Commissioner Albro asked if there would be access to the bank from inside the Target
store.
Mr. Rose responded there would be no access from Target.
MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Ribbe to recommend
approval of the request by Ryan Construction Company for an Amended PUD
Preliminary plan/Final Site plan, Conditional Use Permit and Lot Division for property
located northwest of the intersection of Vinewood Lane and County Road 9, subject to
all conditions listed in the August 31, 1994 staff report..
MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Black to
add a condition stating that the developer should cooperate with the City to add
berming and landscaping to the north side of the site where possible.
Director Hurlburt stated that the petitioner might negotiate with Target to get them to
add some landscaping.
Roll Call Vote on the. Motion to Amend. 6 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous
vote.
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MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Albro, seconded by CommissionerBlack that
screening of 80 percent opacity be required on the north of Dayton Hudson's property
to stop view of headlights from the neighborhood to the north.
Commissioner Stimson stated that she opposes this amendment since the landscaping
plan for the project was previously approved and it is unfair to change this after
approval.
Commissioner Albro stated that this use was not anticipated at time of the previous
approval.
Roll Call Vote on Motion to Amend. 4 Ayes, Commissioners Stimson and Chairman
Stulberg voted Nay. Motion passed on a 4 to 2 vote.
Roll Call Vote on Main Motion as amended. 5 Ayes, Commissioner Oja vote Nay.
Motion carried on a 5 to 1 vote.
PRIW BUILDERS, INC. (94091)
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Chairman Stulberg introduced the inquest by Prime Builders, Inc. for Rezoning, a
Preliminary Plat, Final Plat, Site Plan and Conditional Use Permit for Hickory Hills
for the construction of a 98 -unit townhome project and an outlot for future commercial
development located at the southwest comer of Bass Lake Road and Nathan Lane
North.
Associate Planner Keho reviewed the August 29, 1994 staff report.
Commissioner Ribbe asked if the street at the northwest shown as a loop would be a
dead end street. He asked if all access to the site would be from Nathan Lane. j
Associate Planner Keho responded yes'. He said that there would be no access from
this development into the development to the south.
Associate Phumer Keho discussed the reasons for the private streets within the site. He
said that there will not be individual lots for each unit.
Commissioner Black asked what the percentage lot coverage would be.
Director Hurlburt explained that the lots with lower coverage include more open space
Commissioner Albro asked if the drainage would be treated by NURP ponds.
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City Engineer Faulkner stated that some of the water would drain off the site but that
most would drain into the NURP ponds.
Commissioner Albm asked who maintains the NURP ponds.
Chairman Stulberg introduced the petitioner W. John DeVries.
Mr. DeVries explained that the reason for the private street was because the City
Council voted not to bring apublic street to this area. He said that they have done as
much as possible to direct water to the NURP pond on the site but the huge wetland
presents a challenge. He said they have tried to adhere to the guidelines that will be
imposed by the new wetland ordinance. Runoff will be minimal and they would bring
in a storm sewer if necessary. He said there are two wetlands on the east.
Mr. DeVries stated that all improvements will be maintained by the HOA; including
storm sewers. He said that funds will be maintained to cover all the amenities of the
site.
Commissioner Ribbe stated that it looked as if only a small percentage of drainage
would drain to the north.
Mr. DeVries explained the drainage percentages.
Chairman Stulberg opened the Public Hearing.
Chairman Stulberg introduced a letter into the record from the adjoining commercial
property owner.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Al Marfiz of 9900 54th Place.
Mr. Marfiz asked if Nathan Lane would be cut through and how would it go.
Associated Planner Keho explained how the streetwould nun.
Mr. Marfiz stated that the street should be posted for no truck parking, as trucks park
over near the telephone area at night. He said he felt this was agood' project.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Ken Wendinger of 5465 Orleans lane.
W. Wendinger asked if the present read system would bear the increase in ttatiic. He
asked the location of the NURP pond and if it was possible that the storm sewer water
flow would go south into the west portion of Cardinal Ridge.
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City Engineer Faulkner stated viater from the NURP pond will flow to the northwest
and that any additional water :iould flow north, not into, Cardinal Ridge.
Mr. Wendinger asked what the approximate cost of the proposed homes would be.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that thepresent roads can handle traffic consistent with
the guiding and that this development was anticipated.
Chairman Stulberg stated that the developer is not required to quote costs of proposed
homes.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Gordon Miller of 6017 Rhode Island.
Mr. Miller asked why the site would have a private road.
Associate Planner Keho explained the many issues and concerns with a public sheet.
Director Hurlburt stated that Nathan lane would be a public street but all internal
streets will be private.
W. Wendinger asked where the mitgated wetlands would be placed.
Associate Planner Keho explained.
Chairman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing.
Mr. DeVries stated this development design will be similar to the Plymouth Green
area. He said costs were not definite but will be ready in about a month.
Commissioner Black asked why the design was described as condominiums.
Chairman Stulberg stated this is a tern of ownership even though the design looks like
a townhome. Ile building owner; will not own the lots.
MOTION by Commissioner Ribbe, seconded by Commissioner Oja, to recommend
approval of the inquest by Prime Builders, Inc. for Rezoning, a Preliminary Plat, Final
Plat, Site Plan and Conditional Use Permit for Hickory Hills for the construction of a
98 -unit townhome project and an outlot for future commercial development located at
the southwest comer of Bass take Road and Nathan Lane North, subject to all
conditions listed in the August 29, 1994 staff report.
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote.
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SOUTH CREEK DANCE CENTER (94101)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by the South Creek Dance Center to allow
for the operation of a dance studio in the Industrial District located at 1864 Berkshire
lane North.
Associate Planner Keho reviewed the August 31, 1994 staff report.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Ella Keene, the petitioner.
Ms. Keene described her proposed use and stated that she agreed with the conditions in
the staff report.
Chairman Stulberg opened and closed the Public Hearing as there was no one present to
speak on the proposal.
MOTION by Commissioner Black, seconded by Commissioner Stimson to recommend
approval of the request by South Creek Dance Center to allow for the operation of a
dance studioin the Industrial District located at 1864 Berkshire Lane North, subject to
all conditions listed in the August 31, 1994 staff report.
MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Oja to recommend an annual review of this
request.
MOTION`.died for lack of a second.
Chairman Stulberg stated that a Conditional Use Permit can be revoked and brought to
the Planning Commission for renewal at any time N there are problems.
Roll. Call Vote, 6 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote.
Chairman Stulberg called a recess at 8:30 p.m.; the meeting reconvened at 8:45 pm.
EXISTING LAND USE INVENTORY AND LAND USE FORECASTS
Director Hurlburt gave an overview of the information in the report. She stated that
the Geographic Information System (GIS) was used to generate the information along
with the City data base and records from Hennepin County. She displayed maps
generated by the. GIS system and explained the charts in the report.
Commissioner Ribbe asked what projections growth is based on.
Director Huriburt explained.
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Commissioner Ribbe stated that if there is a shortage of residegtial property in
Plymouth, the expected population growth will go elsewhere.
Director Hurlbut stated that could happen.
Director Hurlburt explained how projections are made by the Metropolitan Council at
the request of Commissioner Black.
CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 94507 FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A. WORK
PLAN
Chairman Stulberg discussed the process for setting a work plan and suggested a
meeting with the City Council.
Commissioner Albro stated that the Commission plan is mostly driven by what comes
in the door.
Chairman Stulberg stated there are other things such as the Comprehensive Plan which
will need updating and can be added into a work plan.
Director Hurlburt stated that if the Commissioners have some things that they want to
work on, the Council would like, to look at what these things are.
Commissioner Black stated that the City Council is trying to meshsome of the items.
being worked on by different committees.
Chairman Stulberg reminded the Commissioners that they should submit the contents of
any public communications to the City in advance ofpublic release.
WETLAND ORDINANCE UPDATE
Planning Supervisor Senness reviewed the increased wetiand field survey work which
will include existing developed property. She reviewed the revised Wetland Ordinance
schedule.
She reviewed the summary report of the wetland meetings held with the public and the.
developers.
Commissioner Black asked what the memo indicated. Are we not considering wildlife
habitat.
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Planning Supervisor Senness stated that the primary concern of the wetland ordinance is
water quality and the memo indicates the questions raised at the public meetings and
how the consultants will determine the answers to these items.
Commissioner Black said she wanted a summary of what concerns people expressed
including what they were asking as well as Telling vs.
Chairman Stulberg asked if Commissioners wanted more detailed notes of the
meetings.
Commissioner Ribbe stated that the summary is fine as long as the notes are available.
Commissioner Black asked fora copy of Planning SupervisorSenness' notes.
Commissioner Black stated that citizen comments to her stated the consultants had done
a good job.
WATER QUALITY COMMITTEE MEETING REVIEW
Commissioner Black gave a review of her attendance at the Water Quality Committee
meeting. She relayed the availability of phosphorus free fertilizers.
Commissioner Ribbe discussed the contents of fertilizers.
Chairman Stulberg suggested that the PUD study done by the Planning Commission
earlier could be reviewed as it may have some impact on this study.
Director Hurlburt stated that this will be reviewed in the near future.
Chairman Stulberg reminded the Commission that the developer and a citizen can be
one and 'the same and this should be remembered and they should not be placed at odds
against one another.
Commissioner Black handed out a Primer on Wetlands to the Commissioners.
MOTION to adjourn by Commissioner Ribbe, seconded by Commissioner Oja.
The meeting adjourned at 10:25 p.m.
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