HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 06-22-1994CITY OF PLYMOUTH
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
JUNE 22, 1994
The regular meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission was called to order at 7:00
p.m. by Acting Chairman Bali Stimson,
MEMBERS PRESENT: Commissioners Barb Stimson, Ed Albin, Jack Hill,
Virginia Black, Linda Oja and Allen Kibbe.
MEMBERS ABSENT: Chairman Mike Stulberg
STAFF PRESENT; Director Anne Hurlburt, City Engineer Dan Faulkner,
Planning Supervisor Barbara Senness, Associate Planner
John KPho, and Planning Secretary Jackie Watson
MOTION by Commissioner Black, seconded by Commissioner Hill to approve they,
agenda.
Vote. 6 Ayes: Motion carried;
MINUTES:
MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Hill to approve the
May 25,1994 Planning Commission minutes, with a change on page 97, paragraph 8, changing Stimson to'Senness
Vote. 6 Ayes. Motion carried.
MOTION by Commissioner Hill, seconded by Commissioner Black to approve the
June S, 1994 Planning Commission minutes.
Vote. 6 Ayes. Motion carried.
ORM N THOMPSON'HOMES(94046)
Acting Chairman Stimson introduced the request by Orrin Thompson Homes for a
PUD Preliminary Plan Amendment, Conditional Use Permit and Variance for propertylocatedeastofDunkirkLaneat40thAvenueNorth.
Associate Planner Keho reviewed the June 15, 1994 staff report.
Commissioner Albin, asked where the affected lots would be relocated.
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Associate Planner Keho explained the plan and said that some lots were eliminated
from the plan.
Commissioner Hill asked how the 500 foot maximum length for a cul-de-sac was
arrived at in the Zoning Ordinance.
Associate Planner Keho responded that he was not sure, but it was probably for safetyandfirerelatedissues, and the length was arbitrary.
Acting Chairman Stimson introduced Mr. Bill Pritchard, representing the petitioner.
Mr. Pritchard explained that the Yuma Lane area is conceptual and would be part of
the Sugar Hills development He said that the wetlands are more pronounced in this
area and that they will remain as a wetland area. He said they are reducing the number
of proposed lots and creating more wetland. In most cases the homes around the
wetland will be set -back 20 feet except for Lot 14 which will be 5 feet: Due to an ash
tree in middle of a lot, he was asking for a 10 -foot real; yard setback to preserve the
tree.
Acting Chairman Stimson opened and closed the Public Hearing as there was no one
present to speak on the subject.,
MOTION by Commissioner Albro, seconded by Commission Oja to recommend
approval of the request by Orrin Thompson Homes for a PUD Preliminary Plan
Amendment, Conditional Use Permit and Variance for property located east of Dunkirk
Lane at 90th Avenue North, subject to the conditions listed in the June 15, 1994 staff
revolt.
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes.
VOLP MANAGING (94052)
Acting Chairman Stimson introduced the request by Volp Managing for a Site Plan
Amendment, Conditional Use Permit and Variance for expansion of the outside storageareaat14100and1402523rdAvenue -North.
Associate Planner Keho reviewed the June 15, 1994 staff report.
Acting Chairman Stimson introduced Mr. Jim Volp, representing the petitioner.
Mr. Volp explained the reason for the request.
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Acting Chairnan Stimson opened and closed the Public Hearing as there was no one
present to speak on the request.
MOTION by Acting Chairman Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Black to
recommend approval of the request by Volp Managing for a Site Plan Amendment,
Conditional Use Permit and Variance for expansion of the outside storage area at 14100
and 14025 23rd Avenue North.
Roll Call Vote. b Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote.
CIMARRON EAST HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION (94064)
Acting Chairman Stimson introduced the request by the Cimarron East Homeowners
Association for an Amended PUD Plan and Conditional Use Permit to allow
homeowners to construct 3 -season porches onto their homes.
Associate Planner Keho reviewed the June 14, 1994 staffreport.
Acting Chairman Stimson introduced Mr. Earl Peterson representing the Homeowners
Association.
Mr. Peterson stated that he agreed with the staff report and conditions in the resolution. -
Acting Chairman Stimson opened and closed the Public Hearing as thele was no one
present to speak on the request.
MOTION by Commissioner Black, seconded by Commissioner Ribbe to recommend
approval of the request by the Cimarron Bast Homeowners Association for an Amended
PUD Plan and Conditional Use Permit to allow homeowners to construct 3 -season
porches onto their homes, subject to the conditions listed in the June 14, 1994 staff
art,
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote.
CITY OF PLYMOUTH. AMENDMENTS TO ZONING ORDINANCE
REGARDING SHORELAND MANAGEMENT REGULATIONS (94059)
Director Hurlburt reviewed the lune 17, 1994 staff report. She introduced Mr. Blair
Tremere, the City's Consultant, and Ms. Cell Strauss from the Department of Natural
Resources as being available for questions.
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Mr. Tremere stated the changes are responsive to State Law. He said that tables will
be included in the now ordinance to simplify the information for users, and the map is
now officially referenced in the ordinance. He explained the two requests for
flexibility regarding allowing the maximum height to remain at 35 feet versus the DNR
requirement of 25 feet. He said that any provisions to exceed this height would require
a Conditional Use Permit, He said the other request for flexibility was in regard to
Planned Unit Developments in that some of the State's PUD requirements conflicted
with the City's and the City's requirements are more stringent than theState'S.
Commissioner Albro said that there seemed to be a word missing at the top of Page 17.
He said he did not see any buffer zone requirements.
Mr. Tremere responded that the setback requirements for the setback of structures has
the buffer built in, and in the shorehmd structures are meant to be setback further than
normal zoning.
Ms. Strauss explained the shore impact zone. She said it half the structure setback;
where if the structure setback is 50 feet then the shore impact zone would be half or 25
feet. She said that no removal of vegetation is allowed in the shore impact zone and it
should be left in a more natural state.
Commissioner Albre said he thought No. 9.a.(1), did not prohibit much in the shore
and bluff impact zones,
Ms. Strauss stated that there are other regulations in the Zoning Ordinance that restrict
structures in this arra.
Mr. Tremere stated that the shoreland regulations prohi5its clearcutting "except: where
plans are approved by the City". He said that persons living in cther parts of the City
do not need permission to clearcut on their own land.
Ms. Strauss stated that a possible reason the City would approve clearing would be to
allow a view of a lake:
Commissioner Black asked why page 8 did not include a definition of bluff and
shoreland impact zone.
Mr. Tremere responded that those definitions are in the current zoning ordinance.
Comir9ssionerBlack asked why on page 9 f,(1) the words ponds and flowages were
struck.
Mr. Tremere 'responded that those words were struck and then added in.No. 2,
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Commissioner Albro asked if public waters would be included in the definition of
wetlands.
Mr. Tmmere explained that there are public protected water; and wetlands and you
could also have shorehmd which are not wetlands.
Director Hurlburt asked if all public waters were also wetlands.
Ms. Strauss responded that they are wetlands in the fact that they are protected by the
DNR.
Director Hurlburt asked if tributary streams were considered wetlands.
Ms. Strauss responded that all protected waters are wetlands.
Commissioner Albro stated that this does not prevent the City from adding buffer zones
and non -conforming uses to the ordinance.
Mr. Tremere stated that page 18 defines non -conforming uses. He said that most
undeveloped land left is in the northwest portion of the City and the remainder is
already developed so that there will be no hardship on the existing developments.
Commissioner Albro asked if a parcel that was a non conforming use would be allowed
to increase size of an existing home.
Mr. Tremere responded that the language regarding this is already in the ordinance.
Director Hurlburt stated that if house homed down ora non -conforming parcel the
owners would have to apply for a Variance.
Commissioner Albro asked if the wetland ordinance were to address non -conforming
structures would the City be able to be less restrictive than the Shoreland Ordinance.
Director Hurlburt responded that the City must adhere to the Shorekmd regulations.
Acting Chairman Stimson opened the Public Hearing,
Acting Chairman Stimson introduced Mr. Marc Anderson of 420 Merrimac lane.
Mr. Anderson stated that he did not have any questions.
Acting Chairman Stimson closed the Public Hearing.
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MOTION by Commissioner Albin, seconded by Commissioner Black to recommend
approval the Amendment to the Zoning Ordinance regarding Shoreland Management
Regulations.
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote.
BRIEFING ON WETLAND INVENTORY AND ORDINANCE WORK
Planning Supervisor Senness introduced John Shardlow of Dahlgren, Shardlow, and
Uban, Inc.
Mr. John shardlow introduced Ms. Lynn Rabuse who will be doing the analysis work.
and Mr. Ron Peterson of Peterson Environmental Consulting, Inc. who will be doing
the mapping and inventory work.
Mr. Shardlow reviewed the plan for developing the wetland ordinance. He said their
role will be that of facilitators to provide information and implications and that the
decisions will be made by the City Council.
Ms. Rabuse described the work program as three phases which include research,
refinement and finalizing the ordinance. She said they will use a data base and plan to
have several workshops with the public and the Planning Commission.
Commissioner Albro stated that he thought stage 105 regarag a public meeting might
be premature and that buffer zones should be defined before that meeting.
Ms. Rabuse stated that different scenarios will be looked at as options as well as what
other communities are doing. This public meeting will help answer questions raised at
earlier meetings.
Commissioner Albro asked how the different scenarios would be expressed. He asked
f lost developable lots would be. discussed. He said this should be done at the meeting.
Ms. Rabuse stated that they will display graphic examples of different scenarios. The
subject of lost lots will be discussed at a later meeting.
Commissioner Ribbe asked what the time line would be for Phase 1.
Ms. Rabuse responded that Phase I would be ongoing throughout the project. She
stated that information will be forwarded to staff as it is completed.
Commissioner Ribbe asked when fust public meeting would be held.
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Ms. Rabuse stated that they will be meeting with staff tomorrow to discuss dates for
meetings.
Commissioner Black stated she was concerned about expressing changes in zoning as
losses and said this should be expressed in a way which incorporates the values of
preserving wetlands.
Mr. Peterson explained wetland mapping and inventory. He said that an inventory
wuuld be done first, then field reviewing and then input on ordinance as to being
consistent with regulations. He said they will field review all wetlands in the
undeveloped portion of the City, plus 50 wetlands in the developed portion of the City.
He said that approximately 212 wetlands will get this intensive treatment.
Commissioner Ribbe asked if this review would star: with existing photography.
Mr. Peterson responded that this would be the start, part of the data can be developed
in the office; and the information will be digitized onto the maps as it is developed.
Commissioner Albro asked Mr. Peterson to explain function and values.
Mr. Peterson stated that values were what they apply to wetlands as humans, also
values are a function of a wetland for habitat and other, things. He said they would use
four different categories.
Commissioner Albro stated that his major concern is water quality and lakes should be
considered as a part of the inventory for wetlands.
Mr. Peterson said the lakes would be mapped. He said they will try to find all
wetlands regardless of time, but will focus on the northwest quadrant.
CommissionerHill asked if the function or value assigned would be subjective or
would it be digitized. .
Mr. Peterson stated they will be as objective as possible
Commissioner Black asked for a discussion regarding the Wisconsin methodology and
stated she wanted copies of the assessment sheets. She asked the consultants to discuss
their background as consultants.
Each consultant discussed their credentials.
Mr. Shardlow stated they will give the Planning Commission many options to consider.
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Director Hurlbmt discussed the process used to determine which consultants the Citywouldhire.
Commissioner Albm stated that it took the City of Chanhassen 21/2 years to do their
wetland study and asked if something would be lost in doing this project in such a short
time since we have twice as many wetlands.
Planning Supervisor Senness stated that Chanhassen also did a surface waterplan, and
comprehensive plan along with the wetlands study which took a longer time.
Director Hurlburt stated that eventually there; will still be a'surface water plan to dooncethewetlandstudyiscomplete.
Commissioner Stimson stated that she liked the plan presented by the consultants.
Planning Supervisor Senness stated that staff will communicate the schedule to theCommissionasitevolves.
Director Hurlburt stated that this study will involve additional meetings on WednesdaysforthePlanningCommission. She said that staff would also involve the Water QualityBoardandtheCityCouncilinthemeetings.
Commissioner Oja gave a report on her attendance at the Park and Recreation AdvisoryCommissionmeeting. She discussed the new City park called Heather Run, open
space, available land the City would like to purchase for parks, and problems of totlots.
Discussion ensued on tot lots/open space.
MOTION by Commission Hill, seconded by Acting Chairman Stimson to adjourn.
The meeting adjourned at 9:oo p.m.
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