HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 05-25-1994CITY OF PLYMOUTH
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
MAY 25, 1994
The regular meeting of the Plymouth Planning Commission was called to order at 7:00
p.m. by Chairman Mike Stulberg.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Mike Stulberg, Commissioners Barb Stimson,
Ed Albro, Jack Hill, Allen Ribbe, Virginia Black, and
Linda Oja.
MEMBERS ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT: Director Anne Hurlburt, Director Fred Moore, City
Engineer Dan Faulkner, Planning Supervisor Barbara
Senness, Associate Planner John Keho, and Planning
Secretary Jackie Watson
Commissioner Black requested a change on Page 78, paragraph 7, line 4 stating that
adequate buffer be changed to adequate setback; on Page 79, paragraph 5 stating that
industrial site mar yard setbacks should be 50 feet with 25 foot side yard setbacks; and,
CommissionerJIill stated that the spelling on Page 73, paragraph 12 should be
Shank".
MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Black to approve the
May 11, 1994 Planning Commission Minutes as amended.
Vote. 6 Ayes, Commissioner Ribbe abstained..
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM 1994-1998
Director Moore reviewed the Capital Improvement Program staff report.
Chairman 5tulberg asked Director Moore to explain the process for the installation of a
stop light.
Director Moore stated that all.stop lights must meet the National Uniform Tmffrc
Control Manual and the Warrants must justify the need for the light,
Commissioner Black asked who put the traffic counter at 26th Avenue North and
Highway 169.
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Director Moore stated that Highway 169 was a'State Highway so it probably a
State counter.
Commissioner Black asked if 26th Avenue North from Kilmer Lane to Medicine Ridge
Road Would be a two lane road.
Director Moore responded that it was proposed as two lane.
Commissioner Black asked if Zachary lane north of Schmidt Lake Road to County
Road 10 would be a 4 lane road and would there be further studies.
Director Moore explained that the projected traffic for the Year 2010 shows the need
for a 4 lane road. He said there will be additional study to confirm this. Another
alternative would be to reduce the amount of traffic projected for Zachary Lane. The
City could change the land uses in this vicinity and thereby reduce the amount of traffic
generated. Director Moore explained that the budgetprojections are a best guess.
Director Moore said Schmidt Lake Road is a minor arterial, based on traffic
projections.
Commissioner Black asked how much developable land was left in this area.
Director Moore responded that there is vacant land to the west along Larch Lane in the
Mission Development area.
Commissioner Ribbe asked what an additional study would show regarding the need for
4 lanes for Zachazy Lane.
Director Moore responded that the study will get into mom details regarding the design
of the street, including turning movements in addition to the need for 4 lanes.
Commissioner Ribbe asked if the study would show how much projected traffic would
use Schmidt Lake Road and bypass Highway 169.
Director Moore stated that it would depend on how detailed the study was and how it
was done.
Commissioner Ribbe asked if we don't already have enough information.
Director Moore stated that current projections show that a 6 lane highway is needed on
Highway 169. A study could show how to discourage drivers from using Zachary
Lane as abypass -route,
Commissioner Ribbe asked if expanding Zachary lane to 4 lanes would encourage
additional traffic
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Director Moore stated that based on the land Use Guide Plan neighborhood traffic
generated will require the need for 4 lanes on Zachary Lane.
Commissioner Hill asked how long it would take for a traffic light study to be
completed for the intersection of 44th Avenue North and Northwest Boulevard.
Director Moore responded that it would take about 6 weeks, but it should wait until
September when Northwest Boulevard is completed all the way through.
Commissioner Black stated that she uses. Zachary Lane every day and has never had
trouble with traffic. She said she was confused as to why'a 41ane road is projected and
felt it would encourage more use.
Chairman Stulberg opened the Public Hearing.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. David Bond of 13235 46th Avenue North.
Mr. Bond stated that his concern was the 44th Avenue North and Northwest Boulevard
intersection. He said that he would like to see a traffic light installed for the safety of
the children. He asked what other criteria go into a traffic light study besides the
amount of traffic.
Director Moore explained that a traffic warrant study included the number of accidents
at the intersection, and pedestrian volume as well as vehicular volume.
Chairman Stulberg introduced. Mr. Richard Bloom of 14600 Woodruff Road, Wayzata.
Mr. Bloom stated that he was representing two developers who were concerned that the
Hollydale water tower and the westerly extension of Schmidt Lake Road from
Vicksburg Lane were not in the present CIP plan but were included in last year's CLP.
He said that they have had many discussions with the City as to the alignment of
Schmidt Lake Road to the Hollydale Golf Course. He said that City wanted to do
additional studies on the Schmidt Lake Road alignment, the upgrading of the lift station
at Weston Lane, and the water tower location. He said that the studies were done. He
said that the City was now considering additional studies and he wanted to ensure that
these studies include their sites so that they can resubmit their development plans.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. John, Gutzmann of 1102148th Avenue North,
Mr. Gutzmann stated that the City needed to reexamine their studies before widening
Zachary Lane and include the issues of pedestrian use and speed. He said that he felttheconstructionofthestreetsintheCitywereGradeCorDandshouldbeGradeA.
He said that City specs for street constriction should be revisited as there must be
something wrong with the materials or specs on how streets are constructed.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Roy Heinrich of 10915 38th Avenue North.
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Mr. Heinrich stated his concern was 36th Avenue North to County Road 9 and ZacharyLane. He questioned the safety forpedestrians at the crosswalk on 39th Avenue North
and the traffic patterns of those unable to get to the crosswalk at 39th Avenue North.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. John Gallop of 11020 39th Avenue North.
Mr. Gallop stated his concerns were Nos. 20 and 22, the widening of Zachary Lane to
4lanes from 36th Avenue North to County Road 9 and then to County Road 10. He
said that the street needs to be repaved as two lanes with bicycle paths along the sides.
He said that the speed limit should be kept down with two lanes to discourage use and
encourage safety for children in the area.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Paul Jasper of 11140 40th Avenue North.
Mr. Jasper stated he was opposed to 4lanes on Zachary Lane. He said that the speed
limit should be dropped and there should be a. path to the park.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Sandy Peterson of 9730 26th Avenuo North. Ms.
Peterson stated she was also speaking for Ms. Ruth Lueck of971026th Avenue North
who had to leave the meeting.
Ms. Peterson stated she was against 4 lanes along Zachary Lane. She said many
business people use Zachary Lane acid it does not need to improve from 26th Avenue
North. She said the street should be made narrower as many use it as a short cut, and a
bike path there serves no real purpose.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Mark Milberger of 11035 36th Place North.
Mr. Milberger stated that his concerns were Nos. 4, 15, 20 and 22. He asked when
improvements would be done and why thesouthern most part of Zachary Lane was not
scheduled until 1996. Ile asked in what manner would the streets be built. He said
that if the portion of Zachary Lane was 4lane from County Road 10 to Schmidt Lake
Road it implies that the remainder of Zachary Lane could be 4 lane. He said he felt.
that additional studies were not needed. He said there was only one piece of laud left
for development which was opposed and may not be developed. He said that once
Northwest Boulevard is completed people will not use Zachary Lane. He said bike
paths and a reduction of the speed limit are needed in tt;e 36th Avenue North section of
Zachary Lane. He questioned the costs and sources of Hinds for Item 20. He said it
looked as if southern portion of Zachary Lane would be liaid by the State and he was
not in favor of letting the State dictate how the road should be built if their funds Were
used.
Mr. Milberger stated that he would like to see all the construction along Zachary Lane
done this year as a two lane street with bike paths.
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Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Chuck Speer of 11100 39th Avenue North.
Mr. Speer stated that he was opposed to the widening of Zachary Lane. He said that
the increase in the neighborhouds will not meet the projections made by the City. He
said that although the condition of Zachary Line is not good, no one, wants to see it
widened.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Kathleen Thompson of 16010 46th Avenue North.
Ms. Thompson stated she was a member of the Wayzata Youth Baseball Association.
She stated the need for additional baseball parks in the City and asked that the City
speed up the process of acquiring the 9th baseball field. She stated that there are 1,500
students enrolled this year which is an increase of 50 percent. She passed out a
handout of a study done on the number of children participating in the baseball
program -
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Ken Wendinger of 5465 Orleans Lane North.
Mr. Wendinger asked where the money comes from for the park projects, are they
guaranteed, and can they be redirected. He said that a survey taken by the Park and
Recreation Department showed that the public was willing to pay more for parks. He
said that the open space committee should have more money to acquire land for parks..
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Richard Deziel of 16100 41th Avenue North.
Mr. Deziel stated that the Schmidt Lake Road extension study is holding up his plans
for development. He said that he could see no reason for the extension of Schmidt
Lake Road as it would disrupt the golf ;course.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Harvey Helgemo of 11110 39th Avenue North.
Mr. Helgemo stated he was against a 4 lane road on Zachary Lane. He said he does
not want to lose the wetlands along Zachary lane and is concerned with the safety of
children if it becomes 4 lanes. He said that there is no potential source of additional
traffic from development on his end of Zachary Lane and a study is not needed.
Chairman Stulberg introduced to Mr. Jim Bmndl of 11035 37th Avenue North.
Mr. Brandt stated he works for the Wayzata Public School District and also lives on
Zachary Lane. He said that there is currently heavy traffic near the schools but the
street should be kept as a two lane for the safety of the children. He said that there is a
need for the park expansion to serve the growing needs of the children.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Deb -Cans of 2610 Comstock Lathe.
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Ms. Caris stated that she supports the need for play fields. She said that at current
time baseball games are schedule late in the evening because there are not enough
fields.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Patty McGrane of 11015 38th Place North.
Ms. McGtane stated she was against 4lanes on Zachary Lane and would like to bike
paths on both sides of a 2 lane street.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Patrick Wells of 11127 Old Rockford Road.
Mr. Wells stated he wrs a developer and a homeowner and was against 4 lanes on
Zachary Lane.
Mr. Deziel stated he would prefer that the City create a cul-de-sac to his site rather
than designing Schmidt Lake Road through ha property.
Chapman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing.
Director Moore stated that the MUSA Line study was just authorized in 1994 and is
part of the 1995 budget. He said that a portion of Mr. Bloom's development is on the
fringe of MUSA Line. He said that the water tower site is different from City's plan
and that the Schmidt Lake Road study is done and ready to go to the Council if the Cip
moves forward and is approved by the City Council. He said that the Schmidt Lake
Road study would then go to the City Council later in June or the fust part of July. He
said that then each individual project in the study would go to the Council for approval.
Director Moore stated that speed limits are set by the State.
Chairman Stulberg asked that staff pass on the comments to the Public Safety
Department regarding the concerns for lower speed limits along Zachary Lane.
Director Moore stated that the 26th Avenue North and Zachary Lane project was
scheduled for 1993 with bike paths. He said that the studies were done in 1993 and
that the final construction plans are not yet completed, He said that planning for
projects takes 8-10 months before actual construction.
Director Moore stated that the financing for Item No. 20 was correct on the
spreadsheet. He said that the southerly portion of Zachary Lane would be done in
conjunctionwith tite trail plan. He said that the reason for timing of projects is that
studies first need to be done. Everything cannot be done at one time as this would pose
traffic problems and funding sources are not always available at the same time. He
said that the 26th Avenue detailed studies were done in 1993 as they were budgeted.
The studies begin the process and are done in the year proposed,
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Director Moore stated that the funding for the proposed play fields is in place. He said
that very little property tax money is used for play fields. Most of the funds come
from park fees from new development. The open space funding from the community
improvement fundis not set yet as all the criteria for the use of the funds has not been
determined. He said these funds will be used for capital projects. If any of the
projects are over 3 million dollars they would need the vote of the people. Municipal
State aid supports roadways and can only be used for roads. Tax Increment Financing
is used for road improvements . The tax levy goes into the infrastructure fund. A
corridor study is to determine the needs to serve the traffic that will use the roadway.
Chairman Stulberg asked what would happen if a corridor study was not done.
Director Moore stated that the Thoroughfare Guide Plan shows the need for the roads
needed to serve the City for the next 20 years; the Comprehensive Plan and the Land
Use Guide Plan help in tho projections of need.
Commissioner Hill stated that it was his feeling that a study would justify the need for
4 lanes along Zachary Lane. He asked when the last corridor studies were done.
Director Moore stated that the last corridor studies were done for Northwest Boulevard,
Xenlum Lane and County Road 9, 1f the corridor study results arc not acceptable in
their projections then the City has to determine how to change the lana use or develop
an alternative plan.
Chairman Stulberg asked if a study would show that the Comprehensive Flan was
wrong and could a street be downgraded.
Dirw:tor Moore stated that a corridor study was done for the entire City and the
external connections to the City. The City Council changed a connection on that study
which created the increase in traffic on the northern portion of Zachary lane.
Commissioner Black asked if the City could change the speed limits; whether the City
could be more restrictive than the State on speed limits; and, whether there are strings
attached to State aid dollars for roads.
Director Moore stated that speed limits are set by the Commissioner of Transportation.
The City could request a change in speed limits but the City does not have the authority
to change them. The only way to get speed limits changed is to get the State Law
changed, Speed limits are usually set at the speed that 85 percent of the; drivers are
traveling.
Director Moore stated that streets must be on the State road system and must serve 20
year traffic projections to receive state aid. The State must approve the streel:plan and
streets must meet all the standards and conditions set by the State.
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Director Moore stated that the Metropolitan Council and the Metropolitan
Transportation Model show modeling, but generally traffic is greater than the
projections.
Director Hurlburt stated that the Northwest Boulevard model and the Zachary Iane
model assumed that Northwest Boulevard was there. These assumptions are done with
current and projected systems.
Director Moore stated that the transportation model considers speed, roadways, stop
signs, and assumes the shortest times.
Commissioner Hill stated that he thought by keeping Zachary Lane as a 2 lane it would
force the traffic to go elsewhere.
Director Moore stated that time is the determining factor. He said that a lot of the
morning traffic is going to the school on Zachary Lane.
Commissioner Hill asked what would a preliminary study be based on.
Director Moore stated that the Land Use Guide Plan is considered first and all other
plans are based on this.
Commissioner Black asked if the studies for Item No. 15. would begin in 1995.
Director Moore responded that this study could begin this year as it will be done in
conjunction with the park regional trail study.
Commissioner Black stated that the condition of Zachary lane from 36th Avenue North
to County Road 9 is poor and asked if it moved up.
Director Moore responded that the studies need to be done first.
Commissioner Ribbe asked if Zachary Lane would be extended north of Bass Lake
Road.
Director Moore responded that there will be a park north of Bass Lake Road and
Zachary Lane will be the entrance to the park.
Commissioner Oia stated that residents attending this meeting mostly come from only a
certain section of the community and she said that the focus should be to keep Zachary
Lane south of County Road 9 as a residential street: She said that the corridor study
should focus on the difference between the two arras north and south of County Road
9. Site said that if Zachary Lane becomes 4 lanes it would become a drag strip
beginning at 36th Avenue North. She said that Zachary Lane should not be encouraged
to be an alternate, to Highway 169.
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DL-ector Moore stated that the adoption of the Capital Improvement Program does not
give the City the authority to build the projects. Each project must be adopted by the
City Council before they can proceed.
Commissioner Albro asked if there was something stated in the City's mission
statement that speaks to the issue of funneling major roadways into school arms. He
said a recommendation could be made with further studies. He said that he saw a
problem with having a traffic signal at 36th Avenue North and Lancaster Lane. He
said be thought a traffic light would speed up traffic near the school
Director Moore study stated that the studies have been dobe for the 36th Avenue North
and Iancaster lane intersection and a signal light is warranted. He said that the signal
will not speed up traffic but is needed for traffic from Lancaster Lane to get onto 36th
Avenue North.
MOnON by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Stimson to
recommend approval of the Capital Improvement Program for 1994-1998.
MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Ribbe, seconded by Commissioner Black to
eliminate the Zachary Lane corridor study, and that all of Zachary Lane be designed as
a two lane road with bike paths and sidewalks, and that the Zachary Lane project be
accelerated by one year.
Commissioner Albro asked if the City owned the right of way that would support 4
lanes on Zachary lane.
Director Moore stated that be did not ]mow.
Director Hurlburt stated that that information would be determined in studies.
Commissioner Stimson stated that the special study regardingthe Zachary Lane
corridor was requested by concerned citizens and the City Council approved this study.
She asked if this Motion to Amend would be against' the previously approved motion by
tho City Council,
Commissioner Ribbe stated that if the study was to determine anything other than
improvement of the present configuration it was not necessary since the facts available
indicate what is needed.
Commissioner Black stated that at the City Council meeting the citizens did not ask for
the study, but the City Council asked for the study because of questions raised by the
citizens.
Roll Call Vote on Motion to Amend. 5 Ayes. Commissioner Stimson and Chairman
Stulberg voted Nay. Motion to Amend carried on a 5-2 vote.
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MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Albro, seconded by Commissioner Oja to
recommend elimination of the traffic signal at 36th Avenue North and Lancaster lane.
Commissioner Oja stated that she felt there were a lot of signal lights in this area.
Commissioner Stulberg stated if the system of warrants works then the if the signal is
justified, then we must trust the system.
Director Hurlburt stated that she uses this intersection frequently and it very difficult
to tum f om'*L=aster lane onto 36th Avenue North to get to Highway 169. She said
that the issues are safety considerations and turning movements.
Roll Call Vote on Motion to Amend. 3 Ayes. Commissioners Stimson, Hill, Flack
and Chairman Stulberg voted Nay.. The Motion failed on a 3-4 vote.
MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Albro, seconded by Commissioner Oja to
recommend moving Item No. 5 regarding the traffic signal at Lancaster lane and 36th
Avenue north from 1994 to 1996.
Roll Call Vote. 3 Ayes. Commissioners Stimson, HM, Black and Chairman Stulberg
voted Nay. The Motion failed on a 4-3 vote.
Roll Call Vote on Main Motion as once amended. Vote. 7 Ayes. The Motion carried
on a unanimous vote.
Chairman Stulberg called a recess at 9:40 p.m. The meeting reconvened at 9:50 p.m.
MARM N H. ANDERSON CONSTRUCTION COMPANY (94018)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Marvin A. Anderson Construction
Company for a Preliminary Plat for Fembrook Woods 2nd Addition for 47 single
family lots located west of Fembrook Lane and north and south of Schmidt Lake Road.
Associate Planner Keho reviewed the May 16; 1994 staff report. He said that the
number of lots on this request should be 48 lots.
Commissioner Albro asked if there was a wetland on the lower portion of this site,
below the grade of FembmokLane.
Associate Planner Keho responded that this was a temporary ponding area which would
be eliminated once development is completed.
Commissioner Albro stated that it looked like a wetland.
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Associate Planner Keho responded that it may look like a wetland but it is a
sedimentation pond not a p-. %=led wetland.
Commissioner Black asked about the mitigation Plan for Schmidt Lake Road and
questioned why the Planning Commission does not review the mitigation plans. She
said that she would like to see them and asked if this was a part of the Engineer's
report.
Director Hurlburt responded that review of mitigation plans was not a part of the
Planning Commission's responsibilities. She said that these plans could be shown to
the Planning Commission if they exist.
Chairman Stelberg introduced Mr. Marlin Grant, the petitioner.
Mr, Grant stated that he did not agree with the realignment of road, which was done
without his knowledge. He said that the realignment of the road into the wetland was
more costly for them.
Mr. Anderson, a representative of the petitioner, stated that he was not agreeable to the
projected location of Schmidt lake Road and he stated that the condition relating to the
platting of Lot 1, Block 3, and Lots 1, 5, 6 and 7 of Block 5 was questionable. He
said that Lot 1, Block 3, and Lots 1 and 5, Block 5 would not be impacted in any waybythemitigationplanforSchmidtLakeRoad. He said they want to plat those 3 lots
since they would not be affected. He said that the temporary sedimentation pond was
not designated wetland; even though it gives the appearance of awetland, and it has
been a holding pond for 7 years, Ile said it was created because of a request by theCity. He said that none of the wetland area on the site would be disturbed escpt for
the portion affected by the relocation of Schmidt Lake Road.
Commissioner Black asked how close Lots 5, 6, 8 and 9 were to the wetland.
Mr. Randy Hedlund, a representative of the petitioner, responded that these lots would
be 50 to 100 feet from the delineated wetland.
Commissioner Oja asked why the lots were designed as long rectangular lots.
Associate Planner Keho responded that the lots were designed to fit in amongst the CitytiailsandtherealignmentofSchmidtLakeRoad,
Chairman Stulberg opened the Public Hearing,
Chairman Stulbarg introduced Mr, John Hampton, from Hampton Hills Golf Course,
Mr, Hampton stated that he was concerned that this development would affect the water
flow to the golf course. He said that the storm sewer system would feed into Bassett
Creek which would affect flooding of the golf course between Schmidt Lake Road and
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the Soo line Railroad. He said that when the golf course floods they lose income. He
asked that the City increase the capacity of the drainage system under the railroad.
Chairman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that the developer must conform with the drainage plans
of the City. He said that staff would add a'condition under special conditions of the
Engineer's Memo to address the drainage under the railroad tracks.
Commissioner Black asked how much additional water would flow into the creek when
the drainage plan meets City requirements.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that the drainage must meet the current plan and they
would need to determine what is flowing now and what meets the plan.
Commissioner Black stated that the water needed to be dealt with and backed up as it
seemed like there could be more problems after development of this site.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that there would be a holding pond on the south side of
the site that would hu'designed for ponding under fully developed conditions.
MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Chairman Stulberg to recommend
approval of the request by Marvin H. Anderson Construction Company for a
Preliminary Plat for Fernbrook. Woods 2nd Addition for 48 single family lots located
west of Fembrook lane and north and south of Schmidt Lake Road, subject to all
conditions listed in the May 16, 1994 staff report, and adding the language "and
compliance with the City's Storm Water Drainage Plan to condition V.
Associate Planner Keho stated that staff would ensure that the outlets are consistent
depending on the position of Schmidt Lake Road.
Commissioner Black asked why staff recommended the movement of Schmidt Lake
Road.
Associate Planner Keho responded that the realignment of Schmidt Lake Road was
approved by the City Council.
Roll call Vote. 6 Ayes, Commissioner Black voted Way. Motion carried on a 6-1 vote.
HENRY LA7.it1fARZ (94028)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Henry Lazniarz fora Preliminary Plat for
five single family lots, and, Rezoning from FRD to R-lA for property located at 18820CountyRoad6.
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Associate Planner Kelm reviewed the May 17, 1994 staff report.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. henry lazniarz, the petitioner.
Mr. lazniarc stated that he agreed wit!r ate staff report. He said he will remain on the
home site and sell the 4 remaining lots.
Chairman Stulberg opened the public hearing.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Judy Driscoll of 19020 County Road 6.
Ms. Driscoll stated she lived west of the site and wanted fewer houses with larger lots
on this site. She said she felt the City was losing some good qualities by allowing this
development.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Ellie Ogden of 1505 Xanthus lane North.
Ms. Ogden stated concerned about the drainage from the site to the existing wetland
She said that the drainage currently is heavy. She said she wanted to make sure that
the silt fence would be removed after construction and that the sediment pond be
constructed as the additional drainage from 5 homes using weed killers could impact
Hadley and Mooney lakes. She said that she was also concerned with the safety of
vehicles leaving the site driving onto County Road 6 because of the blind curve and
bike lanes. She said that the City of Plymouth should have another density that would
cover sites between 20 acres and 3/4 acres with lower density:
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. George Steiner of 1520 Xanthus Lane North.
Mr. Steiner stated his concern was the drainage from the site and its effect on Mooney
lake. He said that Xanthus lane was a private drive and had no drainage system and
the water level is high in that area. He said that without some storm drainage control
there could be problems for Mooney lake. He said he also would like to see a new
zoning category for larger sites with lower density.
Chairman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that the sediment pond will be permanent. He said there
would not be an additional l acre of hard surface on this site. He said the Water would
flow to the southeast and to thesediment pond, He said that the Mae bushes on the
west would have to be removed, for traffic safety.
Mr. Gary D'Heilly, representing the petitioner; stated that the drainage Will continue to
drain towardthe northeast and that there would be very little increase in impervious
surface to cause any problems. He explained the drainage would flow toward County
Road 6, to catch basins, to the sediment pond and then to the wetland. He said that the
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lot sizes proposed are larger than required, and the zoning is similar to adjacent
property-
Commissioner
arty
Commissioner Stulberg discussed current zoning and density.He explained that R -1A
is the lowest density Plymouth has..
MOTION by Chairman Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Black to recommend
approval of the request by Henry Lazniarz for a Preliminary Plat for five single family
lots, and, Re.,oning from FRD to R lA for property located at 18820 County Road 6,
subject to all conditions listed in the May 17, 1994 staff report.
MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Albro; seconded by Commissioner Hill to
include conditions on the resolution regarding the permanent sedimentation pond west
of Yellowstone Lane and to enforce Best Management Practices.
The Motion to Amend was withdrawn by the makers as these items are covered in the
Engineer's Memo.
Roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote.
LAUKKA-WUMUMS PARKI;RS LAKE (94032)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Iaukka-Williams Parkers Lake for an
Amended PUD Preliminary Plan, Conditional Use Permit and Variance for 41 single
family detached lots, and Amendment to the Parkers Lake North ibth Addition located
at Shenandoah Lane east of Vicksburg Lane.
Associate Planner Keho reviewed the May 11, 1994 staff report.
Commissioner Black stated that she did not like length of the cul-de-sac. She asked
why a road was not required with fewer lots.
Associate Planner Kohn explained the concept for this development relating to type of
housing, number of units, the market scheme, and the PUD which make it unique,
Commissioner Hill asked for an explanation of item No. 6 of the Engineer's Memo.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that staff had not recommend a variance but one would
have to be granted and the petitioner would have to comply with what staff requires..
Commissioner Albro asked if the side and rear setbacks were the same as in previous
phases.,
Associate Planner Keho responded that they were.
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Commissioner Black asked who would be responsible for maintaining the treatment
pond on the site and what the special circumstances were for the variance.
Associate Planner Keho explained that because of the uniqueness of this development
the longer cul de sac requires a variance.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Larry Laukka; the petitioner.
Mr. Laukka stated that there are a number of holding ponds in the development which
are maintained by the Homeowners Associations as will be the case with this holdingpond.
Chairman Stulberg opened the Public Hearing
Commissioner Black read a statement left by Mr. Roger Beyer of 15925 26th Avenue
North. Mr. Beyer had to leave the meeting.
Mr. Beyer's concern was the variation from35 mph to 55 mph in the speed limit alongVicksburgLanebetweenHighway55andCountyRoad6.
Chairman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing
MOTION by Commissioner Ribbe, seconded by Commissioner Albro'to recommend
approval of the request by Laukka-Williams Parkers Lake for an Amended PUD
Preliminary Plan, Conditional Use Permit and Variance for 41 single family detached
lots, and Amendment to the Parkers lake North 10th Addition located at Shenandoah
Lane east of Vicksburg Lane, subject to all conditions listed in the May 11, 1994 staff
report.
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Commissioner Black stated that she would abstain from voting because of her objectiontothelongcutdesac.
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes, Commissioner Black abstained, Motion carried.
SUPERIOR FORD, INC. (94033)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by "Superior Ford, Inc. for a Conditional Use
Permit, Amended Site Plan Amendment and Variance for 39,480 square foot addition
onto the existing building at 9700 56th Avenue North,
Associate Planner Keho reviewed the May 11, 1994 staff report,
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Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr, Ben Stroh and Mr. David Phillips, representing thepetitioner,
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Mr. Phillips stated that they have revised their plans to include an additional fire
hydrant on the west side of the building. He slated that they wanted to install a second
freestanding sign on a landscaped trill which would provide better identification but
would not be visible from the highway
Commissioner Oja asked if any additional parking surface would be needed for this
building addition.
Mr. Phillips stated that there is sufficient parking on the site and that this addition will
actually reduce the amount of parking mrface.
Associate Planner Keho stated that the City has not received any calls regarding parking
problems at this site.
Chairman Stuiberg opened and closed the Public Heating no there was no one present
to speak on the request.
MOTION by Commissioner Hill, seconded by Commissioner Ribbe to recommend 1'
approval of the request by Superior Ford, Inc. for a Conditional Use Permit, Amended
Site Plan Amendment,and variance for a39,480 square foot addition onto the existing
building at 9700 56th Avenue North, subject to the conditions listed in the May 11,
1994 staff report.
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes. Commissioner Albro abstained. Motion tarried.
CIMARRON EAST HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION (94036)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the inquest by Cimarron Past Homeowners Association
for an Amended PUD Plan and Conditional Use Permit to allow the homeowners to
add 3 -season porches to their homes, eliminating the need for individual applications in
the future located east of Niagara lane, north and south of 19th Avenue North.
Associate Planner Keho reviewed the May 11, 1994 staff report.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Earl Peterson of 14875 19th Avenue North,
representing the Homeowners Association.
Mr. Peterson statel that he was in agreement with the conditions of the staff report.
Chairman Stulberg asked if the Homeowners Association documents would be changed
to indicate which units were approved for 3 -season porches,
Mr. Peterson stated this could be done,
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Commissioner Aibro asked if the porches would be similar in design and exterior
finish.
Mr. Peterson stated that all additions must conform with the conditions in the
Homeowners Association document.
Chairman Stulberg opened and closed Public Hearing as there was no one present to
speak on the request.
MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Chairman Stulberg to recommend
approval of the request by Cimarron Past Homeowners Association for an Amended
PUD Plan and Conditional Use Permit to allow the homeowners to add 3 -season
porches to their homes, eliminating the need for individual applications in the future
located east of Niagara Lane, north and south of 19th Avenue North, subject to the
conditions Listed in the May 11, 1994 staff report.
Commissioner Stimson asked if something could be added to the homeowners
Association bylaws, and also be distributed with the agenda and budget report so that
all owners and prospective owners were aware of this amendment.
Mr. Peterson stated that this information could be attached to the budget and agenda.
Commissioner Albro stated that he supported this request but asked why since there
was a new procedure to approve PUD Amendments administratively that there was thisblanketrequestfornumerousunits.
Director Hurlburt responded that staff will continue to handle most of the PUD
Amendments administratively, but because of the costs to each petitioner and the staff
time required, it was more efficient to handle these multiple requests as one item.
Roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote.
Chairman Stulberg called a recess at 11:20 p.m. The meeting reconvened at 11:25
p.m.
WILLLAM AND SHERYL HIPPEE (94038)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by William and Sheryl Hippee for an
Amended PUD Plan and Conditional Use Permit for the addition of a third car garage
which would encroach into the side yard setback at 17305 5th Avenue North.
Associate Planner Keho reviewed the May 10, '1994 staff report, He stated that Item
No. 4 should be corrected to state that the garage stall will be 12 feet by 24 feet.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Sheryl Hippee.
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Ms. Hippee stated that she agreed with the conditions in the staff report.
Commissioner Albro asked if the width of driveway would be extended.
Ms. Hippee responded that the width may be 1 to 2 feet wider to reduce the curve.
Chairman Stulberg opened and closed the Public Hearing as there was no one present to
speak on the request.
MOTION by Commissioner Hill, seconded by Commissioner Black to recommend
approval of the request by William and Sheryl Hippee for an Amended PUD Pian and
Conditional Use Permit for the addition of a third car garage which would encroach
into the side yard setback at 17305 5th Avenue North, subject to all conditions listed in
the May 10, 1994 staff report.
Roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote.
TOLD DEVELOPMENT COMPANY (94042)
Chairman Stulbeig introduced the inquest by Told Development Company for an
Amended MPUD Preliminary Plan, PUD Final Plan and Conditional Use Permit to
allow a loading dock on the east side of the proposed building for property located at
the northeast comer of Northwest Boulevard and Campus Drive.
Planning Supervisor Senness reviewed the May 19, 1994staff report. She said that the
applicant had done some imaging to show how the site would look and she showed the
Commission some slides and photographs. After the staff report had been distributed
the applicant agreed to move the storm water pond, and relocate the hail. These j
changes were agreed to by the DNR solong asthe applicant maintains a 5-10 foot
distance from Plymouth Creek, and no fill is involved.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Ralph Robinson representing the petitioner.
Mr. Robinson described the business, the proposed project, the removal of trees and
the location of the pond. He said that they had met with the with neighbors and the
DNR. He said that the loss of trees would be reduced by relocating the pond westerly
to the west side of the tree stand. He said he discussed this with the Army Corps and
DNR. He said that the berm would be removed.
Chairman Stulberg opened the Public Heating,
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Jack Graves of 12850 28th Avenue North.
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Mr. Graves stated that he was against the original proposal which would have
eliminated a lot of the trees. He said this new proposal is much better. He said he
was concerned with runoff to his back yard and the level of the pond.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Doug Hanson of 2805 Sycamore Lane North.
Mr. Hansen stated that his main concern was the loss of the trees and he liked the new
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Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Ron Thomas of 1284028th Avenue North.
Mr. Thomas stated that Told Development Company has looked at alternatives and he
liked the new plan which meets the neighbors concerns. He said he was concerned
with the elevation of the pond affecting the flow to Plymouth Creek.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Jake Ziebarth of 2715 Sycamore Lane North.
Mr. Ziebarth stated that he liked the new plan. He said he wondered why two other
commercial buildings south of the site were not allowed to have loading docks facing
residential areas.
Chairman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that the pond is not yet designed, but it will have to meet
requirements so that it does not overflow into creek. He said it should not cause any
rise in the creek level.
Associate Planner Keho stated that the other 2 projects had to abide by the PUD
standards. This request is to amend the location of the loading dock.
Planning Supervisor Senness stoted that the loading dock for this site would not fit on
the plan in another location. She said that the new revisions will provide enough
screening. The amount of loading would be minor and truck size would be the size of
UPS trucks, not large vans.
Mr. Graves stated that if the pond elevation was at 930 is would overflow to his lot.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that he wouldmeetwith neighbors to show them #hat the
pond will be done properly,
Planning Supervisor Senness passed out two new resolutions that respotrded to the new
revisions made by the applicant.
MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Ribbe to recommend
approval of the request by Told Development Company f& an Amended MPUD
Preliminary Plan, PUD Final Plan and Conditional Use Permit to allow a loading dock.
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on the east side of the proposed building for property located at the northeast comer of
Northwest Boulevard and Campus Drive, subject to the conditions listed on revised
resolutions.
Roll Call Vote. '7 Ayes. Motion carried on unanimous vote.
ADJOURNMENT i
M0710N by Commissioner Black, seconded by Commissioner Ribbe to adjourn the
meeting.
The meeting adjourned at 11:55 P.M.
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