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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 11-10-1993CITY OF PLYMOUTH PLANNING COMMLSSION MINUTES NOVE Zat 10, IM I PUBLIC FORUM M. Richard Deziel of 16100 469h Avenue North stated that he was concerned about the wateraunoff into the ditch between Vicksburg Lane, County Road 9 and the golf course. He said he would like the City to get in there and do some preliminary work before the ground freezes, otherwise it might be too wet in the sping to clean out the ditch. City Engineer Faulkner stated that City staff was aware of the problem and would contact Mr. Deziel next week to discuss the issue. The regular mMing of the Plymouth Planning Commission was called to order at 7:05 p.m. by Chairman Mike Stulberg. MEMBERS PRESENT., Chairman Mike Stulberg, Commissioners Barb Stimson, Mike Wigley, Julie Witt, and Dennis Zylla. MEMBERS ABSENT: Comm4ss.u'h= Ea :!lbro and Scott Syverson. STAFF PRESENT; Director Anne Hurlburt, City Engineer Dan Faulkner, Associate Planner John Keho, and Planning Secretary Jackie Watson MINUTES: MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Chairman Stulberg to approve the Planning Commission minutes of October 27, 1993. Vote, 3Ayes, Commissioners Wigley and Zylla abstained. GLENN AND PATRICE OLANDER-QUAMME (93118) Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Glenn and Patrice Olander=Quamme for a Planned Unit Develupment Amendment to allow an addition onto therearof the home. to encroach the rear yard setback at 10750 55th Place North. Chairman Stulberg waived the review of the November 3, 1991 staff report. Planning Commission Minutes November 10, 1993 page200 Associate Planner Kebo showed the Commissioners the design of the proposed addition. Chairman Stulberg intraJuced Mr. Glenn Olander-Quamme, the petitioner. Mr. Olander-Quamme described the plans for the addition. He stated that the conditions state the footprint of the addition, and that the eaves will extend a little farther than the footprint. Chairman Smlberg opened and closed the public Hearing as there was no one present to speak on the issue. MOTION by Commissioner Wigley, seconded by Commissioner Stimson torecommendapprovaloftherequestbyGlennandPatriceOlander-Quamme for a Planned Unit Development Amendment to allow an addition onto the rear of the home to encroach the rear yard setback at 10750 55th Place North. Roll Call Vote. 5 Ayes. Motion carried on an unanimous vote. LUNDGREN BROS. CONSTRUCTION, INC. (93112) Chairman Stulberg introduced the re uest by Lundgren Bros. Construction, Inc. fora Preliminary Plat of a 40.9 acre parcel into 46 single family lots and five outlets; and, Rezoning from FRD to R1B, for pniperty located at the southeast comer of theextensionofSchmidttakeRoadandfutureextensionofFembrooklane. Associate Planner Keho reviewed the October 29, 1993 staff report. Commissioner Wigley asked if staff had talked to owners of the Ess property. Associate Planner Keho responded that they had not, but the owners of the Ess property were represented here tonight. Chairman Stulberg asked where access would be if the Ess site were developed as industrial. Associate Planner Keho stated it would have to be onto Schmidt lake Road through another -property' Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Terry Fbrbord, representing the peitioner. Mr. Forbord'stated that he also had John Utan, Ron Peterson, and Ken Adolf with him to assist with the presentation, Planning Commission Minutes November 10, 1993 Page 201 W. John Uban showed overheads of the site and explained the design. He said that they were trying to make a transition on all sides the site with their design, in addition to working around the wetlands on the site. He said that they also had to consider the noise from the traffic which would use the major collector and arterial street adjacent to the site in their design, and to which there would not be access; the steep slopes, and the industrial Fluidyne property. He said that the lung cul-de-sac would allow them to accomplish the transition. He said that the southern area which could be developed as multi -family discourages them from access in that direction. Aft. Uban stated that the uncertaintyof how the site to the east would develop, and the outlot proposed by City, which may never be used, would make it difficult for them to tell potential buyers that they do not know what type of development will occur on the adjoining sites. He asked that the City consider park acquisition moving into the easterly site. He said that the developer supports an easement but not an oudot. Chairman Stulberg asked if the 800 foot cul-de-sac would provide emergency access to its furthest point. Associate Planner Keho described the shared driveway in this location. He said the driveway would have to meet Fire Department regulations. Commissioner zyva asked what the terms were at this time for wetland mitigation. Associate Planner Keho stated that currently wetland mitigation is one for one, but that next year it will be two for 1. Commissi,mer Zylla asked why the cul-de-sac on the property to the south could not be looped back to provide a third access for the site. Associate Planner Keho stated that the City tries to limit the number of street intersections. Commissioner Zylla asked how this site met the RiB zoning. Associate PhmnPr Keho stated that the site was about 40 acres, and it may fit the definition of transUionalarea. Commissioner Zylla asked about access to the Ess property and whether it definite that the Park Department will purchase this site. Associate Planner Keho stated that presently only a portion to be obtained by the Park Department. He said that minus the wetland area there was only about 7 buildable w Planning Commission "notes November 10, 1993 Page 202 acres on the site. He said that the prQposed oudot would provide options for the Ess property to be developed as itsidential. i Mr. Forbord stated that consumers would be. concerned about the unknown use of the outlot and it would be difficult to sell those lots that border the outlot. Chairman Stulberg asked Mr. Forbord to address the request for R-111 zoning of this site. Mr. Forbord stated that it is atransitional zone with an industrial site near and intense traffic and that is what R 1B zo:ihmg was for. Chairman Stulberg asked if the transition could be made using LA -1 guiding.. Mr. Forbord stated that they wou'd lose about 12 lots if they used the LA -1 guiding. He said that the developer's goal was to created neighborhood and need to maintain consistency throughout the development was important Commissioner Zylla stated that he was concerned with the 10 foot side yard setbacks. happen. W. Forbord stated that in existing neighborhoods that have already been developed by Lundgren with approved small side yard setbacks, very few had the smaller setbacks, and because of the curvilinear design of the site the homes that do have the smaller side yard setback seem to befutther apart. He stated that the closest a house would be to another house would be 20feet, and this depends on how the Louses are situated on the lots. Chairman Stulberg opened the PublicHeating. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Ed Chidester of 4700 Harbor Lane. Mr. Chidester stated that his concern was access to the park area. He asked if the shared driveway on the easement would provide access to the park area. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Larry Liles representing the Ess property owners. M. Liles discussed the difficulty of providing access to the Ess site from Schmidt Lake Road along with the off ramp proposed for I-494. He stated that because of the wetlands access needs to be from the Lundgren site. He said there are some interested buyers in this site, some for residential development, and if the on/off tamp was constructed from I-494 the best type of development would be for residential. He said the property owners were r-nuesting that access be provided to the Ess site from this proposed development. R uning.CommissionhGnutes November W, 1993 Page 203 Chairman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing. Chairman Stulberg asked where a trail would go if that was.the plan. Associate Planner Keho stated that the trail would be placed somewhere close to +he shared driveway. He said that Ess property is currently guided as industrial. Mr. Forbord stated that he would like Mr. Ron Peterson, a wetlands hydrologist to address access possibilities to the Ess property through the wetland. M. Peterson said that the northerly portion of the wetland was classified as DNR wetlands. He said from mapping, he determined that all the lower part of the Ess site was classified as State wetlands, which is excluded from mitigation. He said that a DNR permit could be obtained to provide street access through the Ess wetland. Mr. Liles stated that besides the cost of filling the wetlands, a road would have to be extended northerly from the Ess property which would be without any benefit to the site and it would be costly. Commissioner Zylla asked if the Fluidyne industrial site was viewed as a transitional use or would the business be there long term, Mr. Uban stated that this was a world renown unique business every indication_ was that it would continue to ooemte there in the future. Chairman,Stulberg asked Mr. Forbord what the developer would do with this request if the Planning Commission supported staff's recommendation that they provide the access at the southeast comer of the site. Mr. Forbord replied that if staffs recommendation was supported they would continue on to the City Council with thea proposal regardless. He said that if the City Council went along with staffs proposal they would they still go ahead and redesign the plans. He said that it was important for them that the Planning Commission vote on this plan before them. Commissioner Wigley stated that it clear that the Ess property would have an access problem, but this has not been created by the petitioner. He said that access for the Ess site mould be mitigated through the wetlands. He said that the 47th Avenue North extension wo old provide many options for the parcels to the south. Commissioner Zylla stated that be felt this design may have been a way to get around LA -1 guiding, but the reguiding that was approved earlier this year allowed this. He said that he had no problems with the cul-de-sac length. He said that the Ess property 0 r Planning Commission Nnutes November 10, 1993 Page 2e4 is currently guided as industrial and they should not assume that it might be reguided as residential. He said be agreed with the developer's plan and would not bring a street through to the southeast MOTION by Commissioner Wigley, seconded by Commissioner Stimson, to recommend approval of the request by Lundgren Bros. Construction for the Rezoning from FRD to R -1B, and a Preliminary Plat for a 40.9 acre parcel into 46 single family lots and five outlots, located at the southeast comer of the extension of Schmidt Lake Road and future extension of Pembrook lane, subject to all conditions listed in the October 29, 1993 staff report. MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Wigley, seconded by Commissioner Zylla, to strike Conditions 17, 18, 19, 21, and 23, and to change Cundition 20 to state that access to the public trail shall beat the end of 48th Avenue North; and, that access from the Ess property, if developed as industrial, shall not go through the Lundgren site. Roll Call Vote on Motion to Amend. 3 Ayes, Commissioners Witt and Chairman Stulberg voted Nay. Roll Call Vote on Main Motion. 3 Ayes, Commissioner Witt and Chairman Stulberg voted Nay. Chairman Stulbmg stated that his Nay vote reflected his opinion that the previous reguiding of the site was brought forward by the petitioner and this was the action that cutoff the Ess property. He said that he liked the proposed design of the site. Commissioner Witt stated that she agreed with Chairman Stulberg's statement. Mr. Forbord stated that if the Commissioners looked it the Land Use Guide Plan that it displayed that access to the Ess site was not blocked. Chairman Stulberg called a recess at 8:25 p.m., the meeting reconvened at 8:35 p.m. CARLSON REAL ESTATE (93117) Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Carlson Real Estate for a Land Use Guide Plan Amendment from IP to CR -2; Rezoning from 1-1 to B-2; and, a General Development Plan Amendment for property located at the southeast comer of Carlson Parkway and I-494. Associate Planner Keho reviewed the November 1, 1993 staff report. Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Bred Lis, representing the petitioner. Planning Commission Minutes. November 10, 1993 Page205 Mr. Fes reviewed the previous Minnetonka plan for the Sam's Club. He stated that the City of Minnetonka liked the Sam's Club proposal but not with the addition of theformerWal-Mart proposed in Plymouth. He discussed the noise and traffic levels stating that traffic would be reduced by 35 percent on weekdays and the noise level would be reduced by 1 decibel. Mr. Lis stated that They were offering to increase setbacks and landscaping and proposing fencing, trees, and an increased building distance from current homes of 3 times the previous distance proposed with the Wal-Mart application. He said that they do intend to build a Sam's Club on this site if approved. He said that the only negative impact of this pmposai would be the increase of traffic on the weekends. Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Enda:Fisher, also representing the petitioner. Ms. Fisher stated that the facts submitted supporttheir proposed use of this site. She said that if there was a concern that a guarantee was needed to ensure that a Sam's Club was built un the site that they would work with the City to guarantee this either by submitting a Site Plan or a PUD which would guarantee the Sam's Club. She said that the publication ofthe rezoning ordinance would also be a method of control. Chairman Stulberg opened the Public Hearing Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Doug Webber or 13627 5th Avenue North. Mr. Webber stated tbat he was concerned with any increase in traffic in this area:, He stated that traffic from 1-394 at rush hour is already a problem and that any increase in traffic from this proposal would make it worse. He asked if there would be any guarantee that the southern portion of the site in Minnetonka would remain as industrial or that the applicant would not go to the City of Minnetonka for a Wal -Matt Store if this request was approved. Chairman Stalberg introduced Mr, Dave Nygren of 420 Berkshire Lane North, hir. Nygren stated he did not understand the rationale for the small island guided as retail in this area. He said that a noise level of 2 decibels would be very noticeable especially in the evenings and on weekends. Chairman Stuiberg introduced Mr. JeffyLeiningerof 13624 5th Avenue North. Mr. Ieininger stated that heopposed any change in the band Use Guide Plan. He said that a change in use would disturb the neighborhood, He said he was concerned that there was no guarantee that the site south in Minnetonka could possibly be changed to retail. Planning CommWon Minutes. November -l0,1993 Page 206. Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Iaveme Howe or 215 Zinnia Lane. Ms. Howe stated that she wanted the guiding to remain as industrial. Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Sharon Carrington of 415 Berkshire Lane. Ms. Carrington stated that Cheshire Lane was the only access street and could not handle any additional retail traffic. V Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr, Dan Blomker of 205 Zinnia Lane. Mr, Blomker stated that he opposed a change in the guiding and the increase in traffic on the weekends. He said he felt the facts support denial of this plan. He said that if this request were approved the neighborhood would want to be involved in working out 4 a guarantee as to what would be built on the site. h Chairman Stulberg recognized Mr. Webber a second time. Mr. Webber stated that the area near Cub Foods in Plymouth would be a good p alternative for both a Wal -Marta and Sam's Club and which would develop the Downtown area of Plymouth. Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Sheri LaPoint of 435 Berkshire Lane. Ms:, LaPoint stated her concerns were the current traffic„ an increase in traffic which would result if this request was approved, and, an increase in the crime rate if more retail were developed in the neighborhood. Chairman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing: Associate Planner Kelm discussed the traffic changes. He stated that City's traffic consultant stated that the traffic levels would decline on weekdays in some places. The applicant's study stated that traffic conditions would improve; the City's consultant stated that traffic would increase worse at off peak times, Associate Planner Keho stated that the mason the petitioner's study showed that traffic levels improved was becausetraffic would be at different intervals and not at same times as would be generated from an industrial use of the site, Chairman Stulberg stated that the Plymouth Planning Commission cannot guarantee what would be developed on the Minnetonka site. Planning Commission Minutes November 10, 1993 Page 207 Chairman Stulberg stated that the reason this request was made by Carlson Real Estate was because. they are the property owners. The possible future occupant of the site was not the applicant. Mr. Lis stated that the rationale for an island of retail in this area is considered service oriented for use by the immediate neighborhood. He said that a Sam's Club did not need to be near a retail area for success. Director Huriburt stated that she anticipated that some road improvements would be needed on Cheshire Lane but none have been requested. MOTION by Commissioner Wigley, seconded by Commissioner Zylla to deny the request by Carlson Real Estate Company fora Land Use Guide Plan Amendment from 1F to CR -2 Rezoning, from I-1 to B-2; and a General Development Plan Amendment for property located at the southeast comer of Carlson Parkway and 1-494, subject to the findings of November 1, 1993 staff report. Chairman Stulberg commented that he agreed with the motion for denial and felt that the site can reasonably be developed under the current guiding. MOTION to Amend by Chairman Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Wigley to add ; the language to Condition 1 stating that the land can be reasonably developed as currently guided. n Roll Call Vote on Motion to Amend 5 Ayes. ,Motion carried on an unanimous vote. t MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Zylla, seconded by Commissioner Wigley, to delete Condition 4 on the denial resolution; and, to replace the word "significantly" in Condition 5 with the word ..."negatively" impact the neighbors .... Roll Call Vote on Motion to Amend, 5 Ayes. Roll Call Vote on Main Motion so 1wice amended. 5 Ayes. Motion to Deny carried on an unanimous vote. - Chairman Stulberg stated that he did not feet anything had changed on this current request from Carlson Real Estate Company from the last proposal, Director Hurlburt discussed the possibility of having the Planning Commission , meetings cable cast after the first of the year. The Commissioners response was positive, however, the Commissioners concurred that the technical quality of the sound and video needed to be improved so that the home viewers could hear the discussion and be able to see any of the visuals displayed by staff and the petitioners. 0 I planning Commission Minutes N"ember 10, 1993 Page208. 37itector Butiburt informed the Commissioners that there would not be a Planning Commission meeting on November A 1993, as previously scheduled. Chairman 5tulberg asked that staff bring forward the PUD Zoning Ordinance Amendment that had been put on hold. The meeting, adjourned at 9:35 p.m• i Y i 0 -