HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 08-25-1993CITY OF PLYMOUTH
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
AUGUST 25, 1993
The:regular meeting of the Plymouth Planring Commission for August 25, 1993 was
called to order at 7:00 p.m. by Chairman Mike Stulberg.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Mike Stulberg, Commissioner; Scott Syverson,
Barb Sthnson, Julie Witt, and Dennis Zylla.
MEMBERS ABSENT: Commissioners Ed Albs and M%ke Wigley.
STAFF FRESENT: City Engineer Dan Faulkner, Associate Planner Jo!nt
Keho, and Planning Secretary Jackie Watson.
MINUTES:
MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Chairman Stulberg to approve the
Planning Commission Minutes of August 11, 1993.
Vote. 3 Ayes, Commissioners Syverson and Zylla abstained.
SKYLINE DESIGN, INC. (93086
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Skyline Design, Inc. for an Amended
Planned Unit Development Plan and Conditional Use Permit for a 3 -season porch at
1184Xene lane North.
Chairman Stulberg waived the review of the August 18, 1993 staff report.
Chairman introduced Mr. Ron Splett, representing the petitioner.
Mr. Splett stated that he was in agreement with the conditions listed in the staff report.
Chairman Stulberg opened and closed the Public Hearing as there was no one present to
speak on the request.
MOTION by Commissioner Zylla, seconded by Commissioner Syverson to recommend
approval of the request by Skyline Design, Inc. for an Amended Planned Unit
Development Plan and Conditional Use Permit for a 3 -season porch at 1184 Xene Lane
NoA, subject to all conditions listed in the August 18, 1993:
Roll Call Vote. 5 Ayes. Motion carried on an unanimous vote.,
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SKYLINE DESIGN, INC. (9308
Chairman Stulbmg introduced the request by Skyline Design, Inc. for an Amended
Planned Unit Development Plan and Conditional Use Permit for a 3 -season porch at
14875 -18th AvenueNo-th.
Chairman Stulberg waived the review of the August 18, 1993 staff report.
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Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Ron Splett, representing the petitioner. t;
Mr. Splett stated that he agreed to all the conditions listed in the staff report.
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Chairman Stulberg opened and closed the Public Hearing as there was no one present. to
speak on the issue.
MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Zylla to recommend
approval of the request by Skyline Design, Inc. for an Amended Planned Unit
Development Plan and' Conditional Use Permit for a 3 -season porch at 14875 -18th
Avenue North, subject to all conditions listed in the August 18, 1993 staff report.
Roll Call Vote. 5 Ayes. Motion carried on an unanimous' vote.
CITY OF PLYMOUTH (93088)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by the City of Plymouth for an Amendment
to the Comprehensive Plan for Interim Strategy to Reduce Nonpoint Source Pollution
to all Metropolitan Water Bodies.
Associate Planner Xeho reviewed the August 19, 1993 staff report.
Chairman Stultwr&- opened and closed the Public Hearing as there was no one present to '
speak on On- issue,
MOTION by Chairman Stulberg; seconded by Commissioner Stimson to recommend
approval of the request by the City of Plymouth for an Amendment to the j
Comprehensive Plan for Interim Simtegy to Reduce Nonpoint Source Pollution to all
Metropolitan Water Bodies.
Roll Call Vote. 5 Ayes. Motion carried on an unanimous vote.
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gENNEPIN COUNTY PROPERTY MANAGEMENT (93076)
Chairman Stalberg introduced the request by Hennepin County Property Management
for PUD Preliminary Plan Amendment, and MPUD Final Site Plan for construction
of the Plymouth Community Library at the northeast comer of 36th Avenue North and
Vicksburg Lane.
Associate Planner Neho reviewed the August 19, 1993 staff report.
Commissioner Witt asked if the bookmobile garage was a new issue in regard to the
library.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Richard Strong, representing the petitioner. r'
Mr. Strong stated that the petitioners were in agreement with the staff report and were
them to answer any questions. He stated that the bookmobile garage was a new feature
of this request and that the garage was necessary so that the bookmobile could be stored
inside.
Chainuan Stulberg opened the Public Hearing.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Joe Domagala of 17705 County Road 24.
W. Damagala statedthat he had several concerns. He said that the intent for
Downtown Plymouth was to not have any freestanding buildings in this area. He said
that he wanted to know how this proposal fits into the guiding of retail shopping. He
said be wanted some assurance that other types of County business such as a licensing
center would not be applied for in the future. He asked if there would be any
restrictions resulting from on library on this site that would affect other future business
in the Downtown Plymouth area; i.e., could a restaurant that served liquor, be built to
the east of the site. He said that he did not think a library fit into the retail shopping
guiding for this site and that there were other sites in Downtown Plymouth where a
library would be more appropriate.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr, Jim Guddal of 4465 Vicksburg Lane.
Mr, Guddal stated that he was a concerned property owner in the Downtown Plymouth
area. He said that this request would take a prime piece of commercial property off the
tax base for the City. He said that it seemed inconsistent that this site was reguided
from commercial to retail so that a library could be built on the site. He said he was
concerned with the safety factor of citizens walking to the library as this is a busy,
corner and not very safe. He said that there are other sites in Downtown Plymouth
along Coupty Road 9 which would be as visible and a better location for a library.
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Chairman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing.
Chairman Stulberg asked Associate Planner Keho to explain the PUD Amendment of
this site which allows B-2 uses on this block and the concerns regarding a freestanding
building.
Associate Planner Keho stated that in reviewing past records the change to a retail use
for this site was done to open up this area to retail development as well as commercial
office. He said he did not know of any restrictions which would limit businesses near a
library;; the only restriction regarding serving of liquor is that it cannot be within 500
feet of a school.
Mr. Strong stated that the County does not plan to place any licensing or service center
on the site at a future time because the site. is not large enough.
Chairman Stulberg stated that the issue raised by Mr. Guddal regarding taxes needs to
be discussed at the City Council level.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that the intersection will be signalized, based on the
traffic and number of pedestrians using this crossing. He said he anticipates the
warrants for signalization at this intersection within the next year.
Commissioner Zylla asked for an explanation of the expanded uses in this area.
Associate Planner Keho stated that building footprints did not change, but the allowable
uses were expanded to include retail businesses.
Mr. Guddal stated the B-1 office zoning was changed to retail. He said he was not
happy with the inconsistency of the City to change the use without current landowm`ars
being allowed to bid on the site or to suggest alternative sites for the library.
Associate Planner Keho stated that this application was to amend the footprint for an
office building to a library and to allow for natural seed mix instead of sod,
MOTION by Commissioner Zylla, seconded by Commissioner Stimson to recommend
approval of the request by Hennepin County Property Management for a PUD
Preliminary Plan Amendment, and MPUD Final Site Plan for construction of the
Plymouth Community Library at the northeast comer of 36th Avenue North and
Vicksburg Lane, subject to al conditions listed in the August 18, 1993 staff report.
Commissioner Zylla stated that he would probably put a library in a different location
in Downtown Plymouth, possibly next to City Center; but this request is consistent
with the plan for Downtown Plymouth, and the Commission has an obligation to be
consistent with other approved developments.
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MOTION to Amend by Chairman Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Stimson to
stipulate that further expansion on this site would not include any service center, only a
use related to the library.
Roll Call Vote on Motion to Amend. 5 Ayes. Motion carried on an unanimous vote.
Roll Call Vote on Alain Motion as once amended 5 Ayes. Motion carried on an
unanimous vote: .
LUNDGREN BROS. CONSTRUCTION (93081)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Lundgren Bros. Construction for an
Amended PUD Plan and Conditional Use Permit to allow for fencing and kiosks in
outlots, placement of a structure in City right -or -way, and an increase in total signage
from 32 square feet to 80 square feet.
Associate Planner Keho reviewed the August 18, 1993 staff report.
Associate Planner Keho stated that there are some monument signs throughout the City
on City right-of-way, and that landscaping is also allowed in the City right-of-way.
Commissioner Stimson stated this practice was approved for the Churchill Farts
development.,
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Brian Olson, representing the petitioner.
Mr. Olson stated that'Fembrook North is an earlier example of monument signage in
the median. He said that the object of the developer with this request was to make the
entrance to the development mote appealing. He said that insurance could tie bought
by the developer to protect the City from any liability. He said that the kiosks and
signage would be 50 feet back from sight lines, just the name of the project and
possibly a logo would extend into the right-of-way.
Commissioner Zylla asked why the developer was making this request.
Mr. Olson stated that it would be best for the kiosks to be as close to the road as
possible.
Chairman Stulberg opened the PublicHearing.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Joe Domagala„of 17705 County Road 24.
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Mr. Domagala stated he was disturbed by the many variance requests by developers. He said that he felt that signs should not be placed on public property and he did not
understand why so many monument signs are needed for this development. He said
every development was a part of the City Of Plymouth and that one sign should be
sufficient for an entire development. He suggested that the planning Commission
review the ordinance provisions in regard to allowed signage for PUD's.
Chairman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing.
Associate PlannerKeho explained the ordinance signage allowed, and the proposed
signage by this request. He said that this request proposes 80 total square feet of
signage fj)r 4 signs; the ordinance maximum is 36 square feet. He said that a PUD
request allows modification to ordinance requirements.
Chairman Stulberg explained that the kiosk was not included in the measurement of the
signage. ,He said that commercial businesses are also :allowed to request variances. ry
Commissioner Z+/]la asked for an explanation of the approving resolution.
Associate Planq;rr Keho stated that the resolution was written to prohibit the placement
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of the kiosk in the City right-of-way and to move the other kiosks one foot from theright-of-way lige.
Chairman Stulberg stated that the island located there is under City jurisdiction, and the
same liability would result from this proposal. He questioned whether there would be a
sight line problem with the kiosks
City Engineer Faulkner stated the sight distance is okay, but the median in itself as
previously approved was a hazard, i
MOTION by Chairman Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Stimson to recommend
approval of the request by Lundgren Bros. Construction for an Amended PUD Plan x
and Conditional Use Permit to allow for fencing and kiosks in outlots, and an increase
in total signage from 32 stluare feet to 80 square feet, subject to all. conditions listed intheAugust18, 1993 staff report.
MOTION to Amend by Chainuan Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Zylla, to allow
the placement of a kiosk in City right-oPway and to allow the other kiosks to be placed
at the right-of-way line,
Roll Call Vote on Motion to Amend, 4 Ayes, Commissioner Wilt voted Nay; Motioncarriedona4-1 vote.
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Commissioner Zylla stated that we need creativity in, new developments and this type ofdesigncreatesinterest.
Roll Call Vote on Main Motion as once amended. 4 Ayes, Commissioner Witt voted
Nay. Motion carried on a 4-1 vote.
GONYEA LAND COMPANY (93082)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by t3onyea Land Company for an Amended
PUD Plan and Conditional Use Permit for a 42 foot front yard setback to County Road47forconstructionofanewhomeversustherequired50footfrontyardsetback.
Chairman Stulberg waived the review of the August 1g, 1993 staff report.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Joe Butorec, representing the petitioner. {
Mr. Butorac explained that the need for the setback request was because of the unusual
shape of the lot.
Chairman Stulberg opened and closed the Public. Hearing as there was no one present to
speak on the issue.
M017ODI by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Zylks to recommend
approval of the request by Gonyea Land Company for an Amended PUD Plan and
Conditional Use Permit for a 42 foot front yard setback to County Road 47 for
construction of a new home vcrsus the required 50 foot front yard setback, subject to
all conditions fisted in the August 18, 1993 staff report.
Commissioner Stimson stated that nothing has seemed to fit on this lot and she felt it
was good to see a home proposed that would fit on the lot.
Roll Call Vote. 5 Ayes. Motion carried on an unanimous vote. `
DAHI STROM COMPANIES (93069)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the discussion of the request by Dahlstrom Companies
for a Thoroughfare Guide Plan Amendment to remove the minor collector designation
from Ord Avenue North to Berkshire Lane located northeast of County Road 9 and
Pembrook Lane . This item was remanded back to the Planning Commission by theCityCouncilonAugust16, 1993.
Associate Planner Keho reviewed the August 20, 1993 staff report_
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Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Steve Johnston, of Loucks & Associates,
representing the petitioner.
Mr. Johnston stated that they have redesigned a connection from the development to
Berkshire Lane, but would still like the minor collector designation dropped so that the
street could be constructed to residential street standards rather than minor collector
standards. He said that this new design would eliminate the long cul de sac.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr., Rcody Nord, of 4420 Harbor Lane. i
Mr. Nord stated that he found it hard to comment on the minor collector designation
without seeing the plan for the Preliminary Plat. He said he was not opposed to the
plan, but was concerned that thea is a connection to Berkshire Jane. He said that
Fembrook late is a busy street and a connection to Berkshire Lane would eliminate
some of thr traffic on Fembrook Lane.
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Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Kevin Begin of 4300 Pembrook Lane.
Mr. Begin stated the when this issue was discussed before the City Council the Council
discussed a traffic study of projections of increased traffic on Fembrook Lane, which
was not discussed at the Planning Commission meeting. He said one of his major
concerns is the sanitary sewer connection to his property to the north which may notservicehispropertyadequatelybecauseoftheelevation. He said that the sewer
installed and assessed by the City to his property would need some change in depth to
provide adequate service to his existing home.
W. Begin stated that the stub road into his property should be determined by him; and
not this adjoining developer. He said the proposed stub for a street through his
property would be detrimental to his property as it would impact the best amenities of
his property when the site is developed. He said he would prefer that the street be
stubbed at the southwesecomer of his shei t
Chairman Stulberg introduced Grant Heino of 4315 Harbor Lane.
Mr. Heins stated he was a member of the Kingsview Heights Homeowners Association
and that their concern was access to the park: He said that the street designation as a
minor collector was not necessary, they would just like a connection of a residential
street to Berkshire Lane.
Mr, Johnston discussed the additional information the developer discussed at the CityCouncilmeeting. He said that the information discussed was obtained from Hennepin
County and related to the impact of traffic in and around this site.
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MOTION by Commissioner Zyila, seconded by Chairman Stulberg, to recommend
removal of the minor collector designation of the street within this proposed project,
subject to Metropolitan Council approval, and to also tie this approval to the approval
of the Preliminary Plat for this site.
Commissioner Zylla stated that the condition to tie the approval of the removal of the
minor collector designation to this plat was made because if this proposal is not
approved or if the developer decides not to go ahead with the plan, another developer
may want to keep the minor collector designation on this site.
Chairman Stulberg stated that he agreed with Commissioner Zylla's statement, and
added that if this proposal were not approved, the parcels could be split up and
developed separately, and the minor collector might be important to another developer.
Roll Call Vote, 5 Ayes. Motion carried on an unanimous vote.
DAMSTROM COMPANIES, INC. (93078)
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Chairman Stulberg introduced the discussion of the request by Dahlstrom Companies, w
Inc. for a Preliminary Plat for 40 single family lots,1 U.S. West Telephone Company
lot and 3 outlots; Rezoning from FRD to R-2; the division of unplatted land, the
reduction in size of a parcel less than 20 acres, a Lot Division; and, Variance from the
Zoning Ordinance for the creation of a nonresidential lot less than 3 acres, located in
the northeast quadrant of Fembrook Lane and Rockford Road.
Associate Planner Kohn reviewed the August 20, 1993 staff report, and reviewed the
changes to the design from the previous meeting.
He said that because of the proposed street connection to Berkshire Lane there will not
be a need for the long cul de sae variance; the new design proposes 50 foot wide streets
and there would be no parcel without street frontage. The redesign also proposes'a
parcel to be deeded to City for park access.
Associate Planner Keho stated that the developer met"with the Park Department and
agreed to the deeding of Outiot D'to the City which could be a used for a park parking
lot, and/or an interpretative center. The developer agreed to construct a 6 ft fence on
Lot 9, Block 1, next to what could be a parking lot, to be maintained by the property
owner, the developer would construct a 15 space parking lot if the City required it
prior to December 31, 1994; the developer would not be'assessed for the road on the
City park property; but would be required to construct Berkshire Labe through the park
site. He also suggested that the developer notify the future owner of Lot 9, Block i
that a parking lot could be constructed adjacent to the 6 foot fence on the property.
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Mr. Johnston reviewed the proposed development and explained that they would bring
the sewer stub to the Begin site at minimum grade; the U.S. West site of less than 3
acres was proposed to preserve the wetland; and, the new design will not create a
parcel without street frontage as proposed earlier.
Mr. Johnston stated they would agree to place covenants on all the lots which would
surroundthe possible park parking lot. He said that Condition No. 14 regarding
emergency access should be deleted, and, and staff should change the name of the
development to Plymouth Oaks. He said that Page 2, No. 9 of the Engineers Memo
should also be corrected as easements will be needed for the trail and along 42nd
Avenue North and Fembrook Lane.
Commissioner Zylla asked who would hold the title to the outlots proposed.
Mr. Johnston stated that the outlots would remain with the developer for 10 years after
which time they would go to the adjacent property owners, unless the property to the
east is developed and the outlots are needed to provide access to this site.
Commissioner Zyfla stated that he was concerned that trucks would use the proposed
Berkshire Lane connection.
Mr. Johnston stated they would like to taper the street width to 33 feet to preserve the
trees, to draw the street in tighter, to possibly construct an entrance monument, and,
post a sign stating no truck traffic with axle weight limitations, to discourage truck
tmiffic into the development. He sdd that the City Council suggested that the developer
build the Berkshire Lane connection,
Mr, Helno stated that this plan is more cumbersome for access to the park from the
Kingsview Heights development.
Mr. Nord stated that he felt it was too bad all owners of the parcels in this area had not
come togetheri but he was satisfied with the proposal. lie said he had mixed emotions
that although this revised request was good it may not be good for the other parcels not
included in this project,
Mr. Begin stated that Cheshire Lane would provide better access into big property.
Chairman Stulberg discussed die street su'A' b to the Begin property and said he thought
that if the stub were moved to line ev belween the two northern properlics it would take
out more trees than the location presented on this plan,
Mr. Begin stated that the variances and sewer connection tied to the approval of this
plan would be detrimental to his property.
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Chairman Stulberg explained that this was the only proposal before the Planning
Commission, and the developer was providing access and utilities to adjacent property
as required.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that he would review the Development Contract
regarding easements needed for the new design of this proposal, and, he agreed that the
condition regarding the emergency access should be deleted from the staff report.
Mr. Johnston stated that the developer would provide sewer access to the Begin site as
recommended by Engineering Department.
Mr. Nord stated that he disagreed with Chairman Stolberg's statement that the
Commission was obligated to act on the proposal before them, he said the Commission
has an obligation to consider the surrounding areas when approving plans.
Chairman Stulberg clarified his statement by saying he spoke not for the Commission
but for himself and that City regulations and policies are always adhered to in the
consideration of proposed development.
MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Zylla,sto recommend
approval of the request by Dahlstrom Companies for a Preliminary Plat and Variances
from the Subdivision Code for property located in the northeast quadrant of Rockford
Road and Fembrook Lane, subject to all conditions listed in the August 20, 1993 staff
report.
Motion to Amend by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Chairman Stulberg, to
delete Condition 14 regarding the emergency access.
Roll Call Vote on Motion to Amend. 5 Ayes. Motion carried.
Motion to Amend by Chairman Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Stimson, to direct
staff to add the conditions to the staff report as recommended by the Park Department
and agreed to by the developer.
Roll Call Vote on Motion to Amend, 5 Ayes. Motion tamed.
Motion to Amend by Commissioner Zylla, seconded by Commissioner Stimson, to
place a covenant on all lots in Blocks l :and 2, advising prospective property owners of
the conditions related to the City park.
Roll Call Vote on Motion to Amend. 4 Ayes, Commissioner Witt voted Nay. Motion
carried on a 4-1 vote,
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Motion to Amend by Commissioner Zylla, seconded by Commissioner Stimson, to
recommend the City give the developer park dedication credit for the parking lot.
Roll Call Vote on Motion to Amend. 5 Ayes. Motion carried.
Roll Call Vote on Main Motion as 4 times amended. 5 Ayes. Motion carried on an
unanimous vote.
Commissioner Zylla asked that City staff and the developer explore some ways to
implement a design at Berkshire lane connection that would eliminate through truck
access into the development before the request goes to the City Council.
Commissioner Stimson stated that she wanted the record to show that she preferred the
original plan without the street connection at Berkshire Lane, but she voted for this
revise plan as the next best alternative.
MOTION by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Chairman Stulberg, to recommend
approval of the request by Dahlstrom Companies for a Lot Division and Variance from
the Zoning Ordinance for the creation of a nonresidential lot less than 3 acres, located
in the northeast quadrant of Fembrook Lane and Rockford Road.
Roll Call Vote. 5 Ayes. Motion carried on an unanimous vote.
Commissioner Zylla stated that he felt the developer had done a good job in
consolidating these parcels and in agreeing to install extra services not required by the
City.
The meeting adjourned at 9:50 p.m.
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