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PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
JANUARY 27,1993
MEMBERS PRESENT; Chairman Mike Stulberg, Commissioners Dennis Zylla,
Ed Mbm, Barb Stimson, Scott Syverson, and Mike
Wigley (ai 3ved at 7:10 p.m,)
MEMBERS ABSENT: None.
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STAFF PRESENT: Director Chuck Aillenid; City Engineer Dan Faulkner,
and Planning . secretary Jackie Watson
MINUTES:
Motion by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Albro to approve theJanuary13, 1993 Planning Commission Minutes.
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Vote. 5 Ayes. Motion carried.
JANCO,'INC. (92112)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by Janco, Inc. for a RFUD Concept Plan; Preliminary Plau/Plat and Conditional Use Permit; Rezoning; and, Subdivision CodeVarianceforpropertylocatednortheastofCountyRoad9andNorthwestBoulevard.
Director Dillemd reviewed some changes made to the January 1, 1993 staff resincetheJanuary131993meeting. This Public Hearing was continued from theJanuary13, 1993 Planning Commission meeting, S
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr, Mike Gair, representing the petitioner. ChairmanStulbergrequestedthatMr. Gair discuss the meeting he had with Mr. Tom ICingstedt, representing the Swan Lake Eomeowners Association.
Mr. Gair stated that he did talk to Mr. Kingstedt, and said that Ms. Jan Keeper calledhimtodaybuthewas, unable to contact her by phone.
Mr. Gair discussed the ground elevations on the north part of the site. He said the landwillbeterracedtobalancethesiteandmaintainthecharacterofthesite. He stated thattheirrequestfortheportionofthePUDnorthofCountyRoad9wasfor10footsideyardsetbacksratherthan15feetasspecifiedinthestaffreport.
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Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Tom YingswJt of 1242543rd Avenue North.
Mr. Kingstedt-stated that he talked with Mr. Gair,on the phone. He said he distributed
the notes from this conversation with Mr. Gair to all the homeowners in his
association. He said he gave a copy of their HOA documents to Mr. Graham; and,
said they would like the items listed in this document to be included in the Swan Lake
South HOA document. He stated that he has asked to see the new Swan Lake South
HOA document when it is completed.
Mr. Kingsledt stated that the Norwood Lane and Ord Avenue North intersection is a
busy intersection and blind; and, the homeowners would like to have a stop sign r
installed for cars traveling from the north and south once this proposed site is
developed. He asked if the power lines at the Larch Place cul-de-sac could be buried.
He said that this would allow development of the last available lot in his subdivision.
Mr. Kingstedt stated that some ofproposed lots look narrower than those in the Swan
Take development.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Colleen Benner of 12225 -42nd Avenue North.
Ms. Benner asked where the access would be to the south portion of the Pi*JD.
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Director Dillerod stated that access would be from 42nd Avenue North.
Chaimiati Stulberg introduced Mr. Darcy Clarkson of 4255 Rosewood Lane.
Mr. Clarkson stated that proposed access from Northwest Boulevard onto the proposed
site will be used as a shortcut by many to and from the shopping center. He said this
would bring more traffic into the neighborhood.. Mr. Clarkson said that preservation
of the existing trees at the southwest comer of Swan Lake West would also preserve
some wetland, and would provide screening. He said he is otherwise happy with the
developers plan and their accessibility to meet with him, j
Chairman Stulberg, introduced Mr. Jim Goodlett of 4300 Norwood Lane.
Mr. Goodlett stated he was concerned with traffic increasing on larch Lane. He said
the roadway is straight and could encourage faster spetils by traffic.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms.. Betty J.onnquist of 12213 -42nd Avenue.
Ms, Lonnquist staled that she was led to believe when she bought her home that the
south portion of the P17D would never be developed.
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Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Don Toner of 4240 Larch Place.
Mr. Toner stated that he would he would like to see the berm on County Road 9
extended down the hill. He stated he had been promised that by Mr. Begin during theCountyRoad9project.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Paul Towne of 4260 Rosewood Lane North.
Mr. Towne stated that he thought the proposed site had a good layout and would be
complimentary to the existing neighborhood. He said he is concerned with access from
Northwest Boulevard. He said he does not want it straight across to the shopping
center, because this could increase traffic into the neighborhood. He said the walking
path should cross perpendicular to the road, so that drainage from the road would not
cause any problems.
Chairman Tom Morgal of 4275 Oakview Lane.
Mr. Morgal, stated he would like to know what materials would be used for the buffer
fence along County Road 9. He said he would like to know what is planned between
the two developments where they abut. He said he wanted to know what the houses
would be like near his home, and whether they would affect his property value.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Ray Mowery of 12435 -43rd Avenue..
Mr. Mowery asked for an explanation of where the 3 lots were removed from original
plan; the location of the fence; and, the preservation of the existing trees.
Chairman Stulberg recognized Mr. Darcy Clarkson.
Mr. Clarkson said he would like to see 3 way stop signs on both cul-de-sacs to slow
down the traffic.
Chairman Stulberg closed the Public Hearing.
Chairman Stulberg asked staff and the developers to answer the questions raised during
the Public Hearing, He said that the City cannot mandate time exchange HOA of
documents.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that traffic study would have to be done after the site is
completed to determine whether stop signs were needed. City Engineer Faulkner
discussed the access from the proposed site onto Northwest Boulevard, He said there is
already a left turn lane on Northwest Boulevard, He said the addition of another
intersection would have to be analyzed, as it could create problems. He said the traffic
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on Larch Lane will diminish once Northwest Boulevard is completed. He said that an
additional access to Northwest Boulevard as proposed by the neighbors would have to
be at least 300 feet south of the 42nd Place North intersection.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that road design wouldbe done to contain the drainage
so there would be no impact on any of the neighbors. He said the safest way for the
trail to cross the road is to cross at right angles.
Mr. Gair stated that the above ground power lines are the property of NSP, and said
they would have to work with NSP to see if they can get these buried.
Mr. Graham stated that all the lots would be between 90 to 100 feet in width, and most
homes will have 3 car garages; and, would be similar to the existing homes in size and
Brice. He said that one of the same builders who built the homes in Swan Iake will be
building on this proposed site. h
Director DHlenid stated that the temporary cul-de-sac in place at the west end of 42nd ry
Avenue North has always been intended to be a through street: 4
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Mr. Gair stated that the topography of the land dictates the road plan and also the size
of the lots and the elevations The grade on 42nd determined the curve on 42nd. i
Mr. Gair stated that he met with Del Miller of Hennepin Parks to discuss the crossing
of the trail on the park property. He said there is aprevious agreerneot in place for the
easement which crosses the park site at 42nd Avenue. He said that the Hennepin
County Highway Department was also given a copy of the plans. He said that any
changes would have to be coordinated with Hennepin County.
Director Dipetud discussed the existing berm on County Road 9, and stated that an '
extension of this berm could be difficult because of wetland mitigation plans. He said
lie will review past minutes concerning this issue.
Mr. Graham discussed the type of materials to be used, landscaping and the location of
the proposed fence along County Road 9.
Director DMemd stated that the City looks at homeowner Association documents to
see that maintenance of fences, entrance monuments, and common space is accounted
for; but the City is not looking for HOA covenants regarding aesthelle capatibility
between adjoining sites or property values,
Chairman Stulberg; stated that the Planning Commission does not deal with property
values or the price of homes.
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Director Dillemd pointed out where 4 lots were eliminated from the previous planbecauseofthewetlands.
Mr. Jim Goodlett asked if a traffic analysis was done. He said he would like theNorthwestRoulevanV42ndAvenueplanredesigeed.
Ms. Betty Lonnquist said she would like to know the price range of he proposedhomes.
Mr. Mowery asked to, be shown again where the lots were eliminatedfrom the previousplan.. He said it looked like the lots on the proposed site that border Swan Lake were
narrower.
City Engineer Faulkner explained that the City had a Thoroughfare Guide Plan which
must be followed to relationship to street design which follows the land Use Guide
Plan. He said that as long as a proposal is designed to agree with this plan, a traffic
analysis does not have to be done on residential subdivisions.
Director Di lemd stated that this site could have a maximum of 108 lots versus 86 lotsnowproposed.
Mr. Graham stated that possible prices on the Begin Estates site will range from $180 -
250,000. He said that he will adjusted any lots that abut Swan Lake to be no less than15,000 square feet.
Director Dillemd pointed out that two lots, Int 21 and Lot 20 are the only lots that arelessthan15,000 square feet.
Commissioner Zylla stated that it looked like the two cul-de-sacs proposed for the
Begin Estates portion of the plan were close to County Road 9. He said this was thefirstplanhehadseenwherethereisnolotatthetipofthecul-de-sac,
Mr. Graham explained that there is a 50 foot setback from County Road 9 andthe cut -
de -sacs are situated next to the right-of-way. He said there Will also to some termingalongCountyRoad9, and a 6 foot high fence.
Motion by Chairman Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Albro, to recommend
approval of the RPUD Concept Plan,, Preliminary Plan/Plat and Conditional Use
Permit and Variance for Janco, Inc. located northeast of County Road 9 and Northwest
Boulevard, subject to all conditions listed in the January 1; 1993 staff report.
Motion to Amend by Chairman Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Zylla, to changeItem10.a, from 15 feet to 10 feet for setbacks for the Swan Lake South Addition,
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Roll Call Vote on Motion to Amend. 6 Ayes.
Motion to Amend by Chairman Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Wigley to add a
condition stating that Lots 20 and 21, Block 2 that abut the Swan Lake development,
will be adjusted to be 15,000 square feet in size.
RollCallVote on Motion to Amend. 6 Ayes. Motion carried unanimously.
Motion to Amend by Commissioner Albro to recommend moving the Northwest
Boulevard street access 300 feet to the south.
The Motion died for lack of a second.
Roll Call Vote on Main Motion as twice amended. 6 Ayes. Motion carried
unanimously.
MOTION by Chairman Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Stimson to recommend
approval of the Rezoning Ordinance and Setting Conditions to be Met Piior to filing of
the Rezoning for Janco, Inc., subject to the conditions listed in the January 1, 1993
staffreport.
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote.
MOTION by Chairman Stulberg, seconded by' Commissioner Albro to recommend that
tha City Engineer review the site once the streets have been completed to see if stop
signs are needed'.
Vote. 6 Ayes. Motion carried on a unanimous vote.
PATIO ENCLOSURES (93001)
Chairman Stulberg introduced the request by PatioEnclosures, Inc. for an Amended
PUD Plan and Condition! Use Permit for a 3 -season porch at 991 Yuma lane.
Chairman Stulberg waived the review of the January 12, 1993 staff report.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Mr. Craig Anderson, representing the petitioner.
Mr. Anderson stated he was in agreement with the staff report.
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Chairman Stulberg opened and closed the Public Hearing as there was no one present to
speak on the request.
MOTION by Commissioner Wigley, seconded by Commissioner Syversou, to
recommend: approval of the request by Patio Enclosures, Inca for an Amended PUD
Plan and Conditional Use Permit fora 3 -season porch at 991 Yuma Ione, subject to all
conditions listed in the January 12, 1993 staff report.
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes. Motion carried unanimously.
DAVID AND MARIE GARBS (93002
Chairma,. Stulberg introduced the request by David and Marie Garbe for a Conditional
Use Permit for a Home Occupation for storage of pharmaceuticals at 13305 -56th
Avenue.
Chairman Stulberg waived the review of the January 13, 1993 staff report.
Chairman Stulberg introduced Ms. Marie Garbe.
Ms. Garbe stated that she was in agreement with the staff report.
Chairman Stulberg opened and closed the Public Hearing as there was no one present to
speak on the request.
Motion by Commissioner Stimson, seconded by Commissioner Wigley, to recommend
approval of the request by David and Marie Garbf, for a Conditional Use Permit for a
Home Occupation for storage of pharmaceuticals at 13305 -56th Avenue.
Roll Call Vote, 6 Ayes. MOTION carried unanimously.
ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS REGARDING PLANNED UNIT
DEVELOPMENTS
Chairman Stulberg wajrved the review of the January 27, 1993 Draft Amendment No.
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Chairman Stulberg opened and closed the Public Hearing as there was no one present to
speak on the subject.
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MOTION by Commissioner Wigley, seconded by Commissioner Stimson to
recommend approval of the Zoning Ordinance Amendments Regarding Planned Unit
Developments, as recommended in January 27, 1993 staff report.
Commissioner Zylla stated that: he still had some concerns on allowing flexibility of
design; the preservation of site characteristics; land above the high water mark;
adherence to the underlying guiding; and, whether the site should be developed as a
conventional plat versus a PUD. He said that PUD should be a privilege and not
right for developers and that the City should be prepared to tell developers they must
give, something back to the City for the privilege of using the PUD.
Chairman Stulberg stated he does not want to tie a PUD to th.., underlying guiding any
more than now proposed. He said the PUD allows the developers flexibility. He said
that a PUD should not require things that are not required for a conventional plaL He
said that he did not feet the City has to get, something in return for a PUD. He said we
are not really giving the developers anything, except flexibility in the design.
Chairman Stulberg stated that in the future a tot of infill parcels will be developed and,
it will be very difficult to develop these smaller sites without a PUD.
Commission t2lim stated that he sometimes did not understand what the City may get
from the developer in return for the PUD.
Commissioner Stimson stated that density is more important to her than lot size; and
that smaller lots allow more diversity.
Commissioner Wigley stated he likes the draft amendment as presented. He stated that
the Commission has spent a lot oftime on this issues, and he felt that these changes
will improve development in Plymouth. He said he is also in favor of the importance
of the density on a plat rather than the lot size.
MOTION to Amend by Commission Zylla, seconded by Commissioner Wigley, to
change Page 9-15, Item c. (3), adding a "recommendation" item back into the staff
reports done by City staff.
Director Dillemd stated that staff present all the facts in their staff reports, and that it is
best that the Commissioners not depend on staft"s recommendation, but rather come to
their own opinion on the request based on facts staff presents and facts raised at the
Public Hearing,
Roll Call Vote on Motion to Amend. Commissioner Zylla voted Aye, 5 Nays. Motion
failed on a 1 to 5 vote.
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Roll Call Vote on Main Motion to approve. 6Ayes. MOTION Carried on a
unanimous vote.
Chairman Stolberg asked Director Dilletud if he could prepare an executive summarytomaketheamendmentseasierto, understand.
Director Dillemd stated that he would do this.
Chairman Stulberg asked the Commissioners for their approval of a letter to RogerScherer, thanking hint for his participation on the Planning Commission. TheCommissionersapprovedtheletter.
Chairman Stulberg appointed Commissioner Albm to be the Planning Commission
representative to the Park and Recreation. Advisory Commission. He said that he will
appoint the new Planning Commissioner to the ]Board of Zoning Adjustments andAppealsonehe/she has been appointed to the Planning Commission.
Ttie meeting adjourned m9:30 p.m: I
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