HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 11-14-1990CITY Or PLYMOUTH
PLANNING COM41SSION 14INUTES
NOVEMBER 14, 1950
Tiee Regular Meeting of the City of Plymouth Planning
Commission was called to order at 7:00 p.m.
MMI PRESET. Chairman Plufka, Commissioners Wire,
Pierce, Zylla, Tierney, Mart.,)fsky, and
Stulberg.
MEMBERS ABSENT! None.
STAFF PRESEIN'Tt Coordinator Charles Di 11 erud, City
Engineer Dan Faulkner, and Planning
Secretary Jackie Watson.
Motion by Comimissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Pierce to approve the minutes for October 24, 1990 with a
change to the last paragraph on page 189, changing the
words "storage area" to "overhead garage doors."
Vote. 5 Aves, Commissioners Wire and Tierney abstained. VOTE - 140TION CARRIED
Chairman Plufka introduced the request of Orville and ORVILLE AND JOYCE
Joyce Miller for Rezoning, Preliminary Plat and Variance MILLER (90081)
for "Kingsway Estates" loc ted at the northeast corner of
County Road 6 and. Xanthus Lane.
Coordinator Dillerud reviewed the October 25, 1.990 Staff
Report.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Greg Frank of McCombs,
Frank, Roos representing the petitioners.
Mr. Frank stated that the petitioners were only in favor
of dedicating 25 feet of their property for a public
Xanthus Lane. He said that the remainder of land required
for a public road should come from the property owners to
the west. Mr. Frink stated that he understood that the
Miller property extends to the center of the existing
private road, Xanthus Lane.
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Commissioner Marofsky asked where the closest fire
hydrants are located.
City E'tigineer Faulkner stated that the closest •sire
hydrant is located on County Road 6..
City Engineer Faulkner stated that he thought there was a
separate easement along Xanthus Lane that is 600 feet
long.
Mr. Frank stated that mesa of the property owners along
Xanthus Lan, are not interested in developing their
property; are against having City sewer; and would not be
fble to develop their property without sewer. He said
that many of the sires would not meet the standards for
lot sizes if divided. He showed pictures of the area and
discussed the loss of significant trees and privacy that
would be destroyed if the public road were installed on
the Xanthus Lane center line.. He stated that it is a
hardship for the petitioners to have to pay for the entire
street adjacent to their property simply because they are
the first to develop in this area..
Mr. Frank discussed. the access from the proposed lots and
stated that in his discussion with the County, Lots 3 and
4 could have direct access onto County Road 6. He said
Lots 1 and 2 would have access onto Xanthus. Lane..
Coordinator Dillerud stated that the letter he has from
the County states that access from all four lots should be
onto Xanthus Lane and not onto County Road 6, using a 90
d4gree east cul-de-sac from the Xanthus intersection with
County Road 6.
Chairman Plufka introduced. Mrs. Joyce Miller of 18630
County Road 6, the petitioner.
Mrs. Miler stated that she wanted to see Xanthus Lane
remain as a private road. She said that the residents
maintain the lane and that a 50 foot public road would
destroy the aesthetics of the area..
Chairman Plufka opened the Public Hearing.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Bill Griffith of the Larkin
Hoffman law fir: -
Mr.
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Mr. Griffitn stated that hp was representing Gary field,
owner (,,fhe property to No north of the Miller site. He
stated that there is currently a dispute over the property
line betAeen the two sites. He r°k-ported that the Helds
are agains+ the rezoning and higher density proposed for
the area. ;fie said that the Helds are concerned cver the
additional ria; off that would occur if the Miller site were
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developed, and they feel the alteration of the
neighborhood would decrease the value of their property.
Mr. Griffith stated that although the City staff viewed
the PRD zoning as a holding zone, some cities do have
estate" zones, and, the City should leave it as PRD to
preserve the "estate" quality of the neighborhood.
Chairman Plufka stated that the City ordinance does not
provide for estate zones.
Chairrian Plufka introduced Mr. Date Ladwig of 18540 County
Road, 6.
Mr. Ladwig stated that he is against the rezoning and any
access from the Miller site onto County Road 6.
Chairman Plufka -introduced Mr. William Ogden.
Mr, Ogden stated that his property notice received in the
mail did not specifically state the plans to tranform
Xanthus Lane into a public street and the division of the
Miller site. He said he preferred to see the Miller sate
divided into two parcels rather than four so that the lots
would be larger in size.
toCoord;-ator Dillerud stated that lot size in the R -IA
District has remained at 18,500 square feat for at least
the past 16 years.
Commissioner Marofsky observed that the Miller site could
be divided into as many as six or seven lots because of
its size.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Dave Romaess of 1520
Xanthus Lane.
Mr. Romness stated that he wanted Xanthus Lane to remain a
private road and that he was against the division of the
Miller site.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr, George Steiner of 1520
Xanthus Lane.
Mr. Steirer stated that be was against the rezoning of the
Miller site; against Xanthus Lane becoming a public road;
and in favor of only two lots being created if the
division was approved.
Chairman Plufka introduced Ms. Missy Staples Thompson of
1640 Xanthus Lane.
its. Thompson stated that she was representing her mother
who is the owner of the Staples site. She said that her
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mother was against the division of the Miller site and the
change in Xanthus Lane to a public road.
Commissioner Marofsky stated that existing easements that
were granted to the Millers would continue in effect for
all future property owners.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Orville Miller, the
petitioner.
Mr. Miller stated that he would like to see Xanthus Lane
remain a private road so that the aesthetics of the
neighborhood aia not destroyed. He said he did not want
to see egress from the new lots created through his
existing driveway.
Chairman Plufka read a letter rece!ved from Mr. Joseph
Kaziny which stated he was against the division of the
Miller site and the change in Xanthus Lane to a public
road.
Chairman Plufka closed the Public Hearing.
Commissioner Wire questionedthe procedure of creating a
public road by normally going down the center of the
existing road.
Coordinator Dillerud stated that under normal
circumstances thi's would be done.
Chairman Plufka expressed his view that property owners
have the right to divide their property. He stated that
he felt Xanthus Lane should not be changed into a public
road until all the neighbors are agreeable, and at that
time half of the land needed for the road should be taken
from the adjoining properties on each side.
Commissioner Marofsky suggested that the portion of the
Miller site needed for the public road be designated as an
outlot 4q anticipation of the need in the future.
Commissioner Tierney asked Mr. Miller to explain the
history of his previous petition to rezone this site in
1987.
Mr. Miller responded that in 1987 City sewer was not
available to the site and the petition to divide -the
parcel into two lots with a septic system was denied.
Commissioner Pierce asked for irformation regarding the
extension from Lot 4 to the lake.
Coordinator Dillerud stated that this extension was once
proposed as an outlot providing access to the lake to all
lots,
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MOTION by C..-Alssioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Stulberg to recommend approval of the petition by Orville
and Joyce Miller for Rezoning property from FRD (Future
Restricted Development) to R -1A (Single Family
Residential) located, in Kingsway Estates at the northeast
corner of County Road 6 and Xanthus Lane.
Roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes. MOTION carried unanimously. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, secoaded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Wire to recommend approval of the Preliminary Plat and
Variance for Orville and Joyce Miller.
MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by MO1ION, TO AMEND
Commissioner Pierce to recommend that 1/2 the street
right-of-way needed to constrtict a public road be
designated as an outlot and tied to Lot I for tax
purposes; and be available for future dedication, if
needed, for the construction of Xanthus Lane, subject to
terms acceptable to the City Attorney.
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes, Commissioner Wire, Nay. VOTE -EMOTION CARRIED
Commissioner Wire stated that his nay vote reflected his
disapproval of the single outlot desiptiation.
MOTION to Amend by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by MOTION TO AMEND
Commissioner Tierney to change the wording of Condition
No. 9 of the October 25, 1990 Staff Report for the
Approval of the Preliminary Plat and Subdivision Variances
from "dedicate a, half street right-of-way" in paragraph I
to "access Lot 1 by a private street".
Roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes. MOTION carried unanimously. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
Commissioner Zy1la stated that he fav)red staff's
recommended denial of the request because he felt there
was no hardship and his desire to preserve the existing
character of the area.
Chairman Plufka stated that staff's denial recommendation
was based only on the request f, --r a 50 foot right-of-way
easement for the public road.
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes, Commissioner ZyM, Mlay. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
Chairman Plufka callei a recess at 9:10. The meeting was
reconvened at 9:18.
Chairman Plufka introduced the request of Greenwalt GREENWALT DEVELOPMENT,
Development, Inc. for a Conditional Use Permit to allow TLNC. (90085)
1automobile minor repair/service related the "The Wholesale
46- Club,' located at the northeast corner of Nathan Lane and
56th Avenue North.
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Chairman Plufka statedthat the original hearing for
Greenwalt Development, Inc. for a Site Plan did not
contain the Conditional Use Penait request_.
Chairman Plufka waved the review of the November 8, 1990
Staff Report.
Chairman Plufka opened. the Public Hearing. There being no
one present to speak on the subject, Chairman Plufka
cloned the Public Hearing.
MOTION by Commissioner Aire, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO DEFER
Stul'berg to defer the request by Greenwalt Development,
Inc. for a Conditional Use Permit to a later date to be
discussed at the same time as the request for the Site .
Plan.
Rohl Call Vote. 7 Ayes, MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CAPRIED
Chairman Plufka introduced the request of Marshall Masko MARSHALL MASKO (90097)
for a Preliminary Plat, Final Plat and Rezoning for Masko
Addition located at the north side of the 18400 Block of
County Road 6.
Chairman Plufka waived: the review of the review of the
October 25, 1990 Staff Report..
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Greg Frank who represented
the petitioner..
Mr. Frank stated that he was in agreement with the October
25, 1994 Staff Report.
Chairman Plufka opened the Public Hearing. There being no
one present to speak on the issue, Chairman Plufka closed
the Public Hearing.
MOTION by Chairman Plufka, seconded by Commissioner Wire MOTION T4 APPROVE
to recommend approval of the request by Marshall Masko for
a Preliminary Pla., Final Plat and Rezoning for Masko
Addition located at the north side of ,the 18400 Block of
County Road 5 subject to the condirions ofthe October 25,
1990 Staff Report.
Roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes. MOTION carried -unanimously. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
Chairman Plufka introduced the request of U.S. Homes.S. HOMES CORP./THOMP-
Corporation/Thompson Land Development Division for u RPUD SON LAND DEVELOPMENT
Preliminary Plan/Plat, Conditional Use Permit and Rezoning (10028)
for the "Mitchell -Pearson property located at the
southeast quadrant of the West City Limits and Medina
Road.
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Commissioner Marofsky observed that the previous mass
grading plan would have preserved 30 percent of the trees
while the current plan will preserve 59 percent of the
trees: He asked how much additional loss of trees would
occur when house plans were fixed.
Coordinator Dillerud stated that approximately 45 percent
of the trees will be preserved after the grading and house
locations are fixed.
Commissioner Wire questioned whether the cost to save
trees is more expensive than grading the site and planting
new trees -
Mir. Greg Frank, representing the petitioner, stated that
it is expensive to save existing trees, but saving good
trees is worth the cost.
Commissioner Zylla stated that if the of sizes were held
to the larger lot size in the R -1A zoae, more trees could
be saved.
Mr.. Bill Pritchard, the petitioner, stated that plans for
the site include planting additional. trees along Medina
Road to improve the appearance of the development but
these are not a requirement nor are they on the plans.
Chairman Plufka introduced Ms. Pat Paskob .of --.2-562
Holyname, Wayzata.
Ms. Rascob stated that she was present to reinforce her
previous concerns about the runoff from the development
and to be reassured that runoff would not be any greater
than it is at the present time. She also gave Chairman
Plufka a copy of the Minnehaha Creek Watershed Permit
stating that runoff could not be increased.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that runoff leaving the site
will be equal to or less than it currently is.
Mr. Frank stated that three watershed districts are
located on the site and they will comment once the
preliminary plat is approved.
Commissioner Pierce asked whether the City would be
upgrading the flow and if there will be an impact.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that the City is in the
process of looking at compeosatory storage -for the runoff
from the site.
Commissioner Zylla stated that he felt there was a higher
quality in developments in the LA -1 zone when developed as
a conventional plat rather than as a PUD.
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Mr. Frank responded that the attributes for PhDs provided
more open space, ponding, private trails and amenities for
the homeowners than a conventional plat,.
Coordinator Dillerud stated that the PUD attributes would
be discussed at a `Future meeting.
Commissioner Stulberg stated that he felt PVDs create
consistent neighborhoods instead of spot developments..
Chairman Plufka stated that one of the original intents of
the PUD was to provide more affordable housing.
Commissioner Pierce stated that the City may be too
liberal with bonus points for the PUDs.
MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Wire to recommend approval of the request by U.S. Homes
Corporation/Thompson land Development Division for a RPUD
Preliminary Plan/Plat, Conditional Use Permit and Rezoning
for the "Mitchell -Pearson" property located at the
southeast quadrant of the West City Limits and Medina Road
subject to conditions listed in the November 6, 1990 Staff
Report,
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes, Commissioner Zylla, Nay. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
The Commissioners agreed to attend the December 7, 1990
Government Training Service Workshop on Planned Unit
Developments as a group.
The Planning Commission agreed unanimously to change the
meeting dates in December to be December 5, and December
19,
Chairman Plufka told the Commissioner that the next
Wetlands Task Force meeting will be held on November 27,
1990 at 6:00 p.m.
Coordinator Dillerud gave the Commissioners a status
report on the Comprehensive Plan.
Meeting adjourned at 10:10 p.m.
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