HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 10-24-1990CITY OF PLYMOUTH
PLANNING COKMISSION MINUTES
OCTOBER 24, 1990
The 'Regular Meeting of the City of Plym,-,uth Panning
Commission was called to order at 7:00 p.m..
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Richard Plufka, Commissioners
Dennis Zylla, Hal Pierce, Larry Marofsky
and Michael Stulberg.
MEMBERS ABSENT: Commissioners Joy Tierney and John Wire.
STAFF PRESENT: Coordinator Charles Dillerud, City
Engineer Dan Faulkner, and Planning
Secretary Jackie Watson.
MINUTES
MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
0 Stulberg to approve the October 10, 1990 minutes with the
addition of a sentence on Page 174 following the fifth
paragraph stating that Acting Chairman Wire closed the
Public Hearing.
Vcte., 4 Ayes, Chairman Plufka abstained. MOTIO14 carri.d.
Chairman Plufka introduced the requests of Greenwalt
Development, Inc./M.G. Astleford Company for a Preliminary
Plat, Amended General Development Plan, and Rezoning for
Bass Lake Plaza 5th Addition"; and Site Plan, Zoning
Ordinance Variances and Final Plat to Constr=ict "The
Wholesale Club" and plat "Bass Lake Plaxa 5th Addition,";
located at the Northeast Corner of Nathai-i Lane and 56th
Avenue North. The two Tlequests were listed as 5. A. and
5. B. on the agenda and were to be discussed in order but
simultaneously.
Coordinator Dillerud reviewed the October 12, 1990 Staff
Report regarding the Preliminary Plat, Amended General
Development Plan and Rezoning for Greenwalt Development,
Inc. for "Bass Lake Plaza 5th Addition".
Commissioner Marofsky stated that paragraph 2 Linder item
1, on page 2, line 2 of the Staff Report should be R-3
rather than R-4.
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
GREENWALT DEVELOPMENT
INC. (90084 & 90085)
Page 187
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Greg Frank representing the
petitioner.
Mr. Frank stated that he was in agreement with the October
12, Staff Report.
Coordinator Dillerud reviewed the October 12, 1990 Staff
Report for Greenwalt Development, Inc. for "Bass Like
Plaza 5th Addition" regarding the Site Plant Zoning
ordinance Variances and Final Plat to construct "The
Wholesale Club". Coordinator Dillerud also showed some
slides of the Fridley Wholesale Club to show the
Commissioners how, brick and some berming enhancec the
design of the Fridley site substantiating his
recommendation for use of these items on the Plymouth
site,
Commissioner Marofsky commented that lie felt the pallet
storage area constituted outside storage and would require
a Conditional Use Permit.
Chairman Plufka asked how the storm water from a parking
area of this size would be handled.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that there on storm water
holding basins on the site.
Mr. Frank indicated the locations of the ponding areas on
the site and. stated. that the storm sewer is already in
place along 56th Avenue North.
Chairman Plufka requested that Mr. Frank discuss the
deferred parking plan for the site.
Mr. Frank stated that the deferred parking plan would
allow landscape enhancements. He indicated how the creek
water on the site would be routed through pipe if the
deferred parking was not approved. This method of routing
the creek water through pipe has been approved by the DNR
and the City of Plymouth.
Mr. Frank stated that the design of this site could be
accomplished similar to the Fridley site, He said he
agreed with Condition 10 of the Staff Report and would
redesign the south and west area with, evergreen trees t5
foot on center with staff review of the Landscape Plan.
Mr. Frank compared the parking variance request with other
sites such as Cub Foods, Target and Holiday Stores who
have 6 parking spaces per 1,000 square feet of floor area.
He stated that The Wholesale Club would install additional
structure parking if it became necessary, but past
experience has shown that additional park -MV should not be
needed,
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October 24, 1990
Page 1;88
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Mr. Drank introduced Mr. Douglas Harden, the architect for
The Wholesale Club.
Mr. Harden showed the Commissioners some pictures of other
sites which contained 35 percent brick intermixed with the
concrete finish of the building. He p-noposed using tite 35
percent formula for the exterior of the building in
Plymouth. He also stated that the landscaping will comply
with the recommendations of the Staff Report.
Chairman Plufka asked if all the inventory is stored on
the floor display area of the building.
Mr. Harden stated that some inventory is stored away from
the display area but that the majority of inventory is in
the display area of the store..
Cam ttissioner Pierce asked what hours the loading dock was
used to receive new inventory.
Mr. Darden stated that most deliveries are completed by
Noon each day.
Com.,missioner Marofsky asked why the ioading area was not
placed on the east side of the buildiig in the design of
the site.
Mr. Harden stated that the main, entrance to the building
is on the east side and that it does rot work from an
operational standpoint to have both the m'in entrance and
the loading area on the same side of the building.
Chairman Plufka opened the Public Hearings for both 5.A.
and 5.8.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Robert Haimnar of 5465
Orleans.
Mr. Hammar asked what tie proposed density of the housing
area to be located at the westerly area of the site would
be if rezoned.
Coordinator Dillerud stated that the density for R-3 would
be approximately 7 unts per acre. He said this is lower
than the current density on the present General
Development Plan.
Mr. Prank stated that there are no plans for this area at
the present inner He said that until a developer is
interested in this site it will remain an outiot..
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Allen Rul estein of 5505
Orleans Lane.
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October 24, 1990
Page 189
Mr. Rubestein stated that he represented the Cardinal
Pidge Homeowners Association and that their concern was
the R-3 rezoning district and whether the units would be
rental units.
Chairman Plufka responded that there is no developer
currently interested in the site and that the question
would have to wait until a developer was interested in the
site. He stated that property owners within 500 feet of
the develot.,ment would be notified of a Public Hearing once
an application was received.
Mr. Ruhest iin asked what the hours of the Wholesale Club
would be; what the truck loading hours would be, and
whether truck traffic would use Nathan Lane and County
Road 10.
Mr. Harden stated that hours for the Wholesale Club would
be Monday, Wednesday and Fridays from Noon to 8:00 or 8-30
p.m.; Tuesdays and Thursdays from 10:00 a.m. to 8:30 p -m.'
Saturdays f-om 11:00 a.m. to 8,00 p.m, and Sundays from
boon to 6:0.1 p.m. He stated that truck loading hours
would be fro.l 6:00 a.m. to Noon.
Coordinator Oillerudstated that truck traffic would most
likely use, Nathan Lane and County Road 10 since they are
the thoroughfare streets in the area.
Chairman-Plufka closed the Public Hearing.
MOTION by Chairman Plufka, seconded by Commissioner Zylla MOTION TO APPROVE
to recommend vipproval of the Preliminary Plat, Amended
General Development Plan, and Rezoning for "Bass Lake
Business Plaza" 5th Addition" located at the northeast
corner of Nath,n Lane and 56th Avenue North, subject to
the conditions listed in the October 12, 1990 Staff
Report..
Roll "all Vote. 5 Ayes. MOTION carried unanimously. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
MOTION by Chairman Plufka, seconded by Commissioner Zylla MOTION TO APPROVE
to recommend approval of the Final Plat and Setting
Conditions to be Mat Prior to Filing for the Wholesale
Club.
Ro-11 Call Vote. 5 Ayes. MOTION carried.. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
Coordinator Dillerud asked the Commissioners to cc
item 13 of the 5.B. Staff Report changing the numb
offstreet parking spaces to 671.
Commissioner Marofsky stated that he Would like to see the
overhead garage doors moved on the site plan so they do
not face the collector street.
Planning Commission Minutes
October 24, 1990
Page 190
Commission Pierce statedhe agreed with Commissioner
Marofsky.
Chairman Plufka stated that he did not like th( ;.resign of
the west side of the building and parking area.
MOTION by Chairman Plufka, seconded by Commissioner
Marofsky to recommend approval of the Site Plan, Proof -of
Parking Plan and Zoning Ordinance Variance for Greenwalt
Development, Inc for "Dass Lake Plaza 5th Addition's
located at the northeast corner of Nathan Land and 55th
Avenue North subject to the 14 conditions listed in the
October 12, 1990 Staff Report,
Commissioner Marofs!,y stated that he found it difficult to
distinguish between the reg.ulatlins for parking in the
different retail zones.
MOTION to amend by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by
Commissioner~ Pierce to recommend that the exterior of the
structure contain 35 percent brick in the design rather
than 50 percent recommended by staff..
Commissioner Marofsky silted that he would like the
petitioner to come back to the Planning Commission with a
redesign of the building.
Commissioner Stulberg stated that if the Site Plan was
recommended for deferral that the Commission be specific
as to which items they would like addressed..
Roll Call Vote. 5 Ayes MOTION to amend carried.
M0f1ON to amend by Commissioner Marofsky to require that
the outside mechanical equipment area be enclosed.. in
brick. There was no second to the motion,- the motion
died.
MOTION to amend' by Commissioner Pierce, seconded by
Commissioner Marofsky to require that the mechanical
equipment area be enclosed with materials compatible with
the design of the building.
Mr. Harden stated that the mechanical equipment area could
not be enclosed in all brick because the compressor needs
to have access to air.
Roll Cal' Vote. 4 Ayes, Commissioner Stulberg, Nay.
MOTION carried on a 4-1 vote..
Commissioner Zylla stated that he did not feel hardship
0 was proven regarding the proof -of -parking issue.
MOTION TO APPROVE
MOTION TO AMEND
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
MOTION TO AMEND
MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF
A SECOND
MOTION TO AMEND
VOTE .. MOTION CARRIED.
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October 24, 1990
Page 191
Commissioner Marofsky stated that he felt the petitioner
did prove the hardship issue for proof -of -parking with the
response that many trees and vegetation would be destroyed
0. the full number of parking spaces were required.
MOTION by Coimaissioner Marofsky, seconded by Chairman MOTION TO DEFER
Plufka to defer the Site Plan,, Proof -of Parking, and
Zoning Ordinance Variance to the next Planning Commission
meeting for redesign of the site that faces Nathan Lane.
Commissioner Pierce stated that screening the site from
Nathan Lane was a possibility.
Commissioner Marofsky stated that a loading dock area is
not a pleasing site to look at from a collector street.
Roll Call Vote. 5 Ayes. MOTION carried.
Chairman Plufka called a 5 minute recess at 8:45 pm.
Chairman Plufka reconvened the meeting at 8:50 p.m.
Chairman Plufka intrejuced the request of John McKee for a
Lot Division/Lot Consolidation and Subdivision Ordinance
Variance for property located at 1345 Juneau Lane.
Chairman Plufka waived the review of the October 16, 1990
Staff Report.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Sherman Goldberg
representing the pet4tioner.
Mr. Goldberg stated that he had no comments and was in
agreement with the October 16, 1990 Staff Report.
Chairman Plufka opened the Public Hearing. There was no
one present to speak on the issue. Chairman Plufka closed
the Public Hearing.
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
JOHN MCKEE (90090)
MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Marofsky to recommend approval of the petition by John
McKee for a Lot Division/Lot Consolijation and Subdivision
Ordinance Variance for property located at 1345 Juneau
Lane.
Roll Call Vote. 5 Ayes. MOTION carried unanimously. VOTE - MOTION CARPIED
Chairman Plufka introduced the request of Amoco Oil AMOCO OIL COMPANY
Company for an Amended MPUD Preliminary Plan, MPUD (90091)
Conditional Use Permit and MPUD Final Site Plan for
Service Station/Convenience Store/Car Wash located at the
so!jthweS4 corner of Plymouth Boulevard and Rockford Road.
Coordinator Dillerud reviewed the October 15, 1990 Staff
Report.
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October 24, 1990
Page 192
Marofsky asked how the common drivewayCommissioner
between the adjoining property was handled.
Coordinator Dillerud stated that this was done with cross -
easements.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that the easements were
already in place.
Chairman "Plufka asked if the car wash would be open all
year.
Coordinator Dillerud stated that the car wash would be
open all year and that mechanical driers would be used. he
said that the Commission could make the r.icha Tical drying
mandatory if they included it in the resolution.
City Engineer Faulkner stated that there are storm serer
catch basins in place also to catch the excess water
before the cars exit from the site.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Joe Finley representing the
petitioner.
Mr. Finley stated that he was in agreement with the
October 15, 1:990 Staff Report but he wanted to work with
staff on the Landscape plan for screening and berming and
IMP be allowed some flexibility as to how this would be
accomplished. He said that he would agree to the
mandatory requirement for drivers.
Chairman Plufka opened the Public Hearing.
Chairman Plufka introduced Ms.. Darlene Andreachi of 3850
Plymouth Blvd.
Ms. Andreachi stated that she was against this development
be, -dose there were already too many service stations close
to the site. She felt it wou.d be detrimental to her
property value.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Stuart Nolan of 2177
Youngman Avenue, St. Paul, who is the owner of the
apartment complex to the east.
Mr. Bolan stated that he would like to see the landscaping
and berming of the Site done so that it was the type that
would screen the site year round. He asked if the station
would be open 24 hours day.
Mr. Finley stated that the station would be open 24 sours
a day..
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October 24, 1990
Page 193
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Mr. Nolan stated that he did not feel the signage was
IV appropriate for this site because it would be visible from
the apartment across the boulevard. He stated that he was
limited from using lighted signage, for his site.
Coordinator Dillerud stated that the signage proposed was
consistent with the Zoning Ordinance.
Mr. Finley stated that the signage plan and lighting for
this site was 60 percent of what the code allowed.
Chairman Plufka closed. the Public Hearing.
MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Zylta to recommend approval of the request by Amoco Oil
Company for ar Amended !APUD Preliminary Plan, MPUD
Conditional Use Permit and MPUD Final Site Plan for
Service Station/Convenience Store/rar Wash located at the
southwest corner of Plymouth Boulevard and Rockford Road.
MOTION to amend by Commissioner Stulberg to delete the MOTION TO AMEND
second paragraph of condition 10.
MOTION died for lack of a second. MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF
A SECOND
J& MOTION to amend by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by MOTION TO AMEND
VY Chairman Plufka to add the following language at the
beginning of the second paragraph of condition 10 stating
that "One alternative could be..."
Coordinator Dillerud questioned the Commission asking if
their intent was that the screening eliminate the view of
the commercial use on the site and the vehicle movement of
headlights; and whether this decision would be per staff
judgment.
Commissioner Stulberg stated that that was the intent of
the Commission regarding the screening.
Commissioner Marofsky stated that the language could be
amended stating that "berming could apply."
Chairman Plufka stated that the amendment does nog
incorporate berming and that language stating that the
maximum use of conifers and berming that will elimi.,,ate
headlight glare at 90 percent opacity should be added.
Roll fall Vote. 5 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Chairman MOTION TO AMEND
Plufka to -'ecommend requirement of a drying facility for
46 the car wash and proper elimination of all water on the
site.
Roll Call Vote. 5',yes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED.
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October 24, 1990
Page 194
Chair -man Plufka stated that he felt a 35 foot lighted sign
at this site was unnecessary and asked Mr. Finley if Amoco
could live with a 20 foot sign.,
Mr. Finley stat) that Amoco had a 21 foot sign and that
would be agreeable to him.
MOTION by Chairman Plufka, seconded by wamissioner
to reduce the signage height from 35 feet to 21
feet.
Roll Call Vote. 5 Ayes. MOTION carried.
Roll Call 'Vote on Main Motion as thrice amended. 4 Ayes,
Commissioner Pierce, Ray. MOTION carried on a 4-1 vote.
Chair,ian Plufka continued the Public Hearing for item
5.E., the Amendments to the Zoning Ordinance,
Chairman Plufka introduced the reqjicst for Terry and
Kathleen LeDell for a Lot Division/Lot Consolidation and
Subdivision Ordinance Variances located at the northeast
corner of Sunset Trail and Pineview Lane.
Coordinator Dillerud reviewed the October 15, 1990 Staff
Report.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Terry LeDell of 3106 Manor
Drive, Golden Valley.
Mr. LeDel I stated that the hardship for another
configuration of the lot division/consolidation was that
the owners of parcel D were not willing to sell any
additional land to the petitioner to increase 'tot size.
MOTION TO AMEND
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
TERRY & KATHLEEN LEDELL
90094)
MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Pierce to recommend approval of the October 15, 1990 Staff
Report approving the Lot Division/Lot Consolidation and
Subdivision Ordinance Variances located at the northeast
corner o4 Sunset Trail and Pineview Lane.
Vote. 5 Ayes. MOTION carried.
Chairman Plufka reviewed the progress of the Wetlands Task
Force for the Commission.
Chairman Plufka recommended that the workshop scheduled
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or December 7, 1990, sponsored by the Government Training
Service on "The Planned Unit Development (PUD) Approach to
Lan,; Development" be attended by the Planning
C,=mis:ioners as a group. He requested that this item be
Placed r -.n tle agenda for discussion at the November 14,
1990 meeting.
Meeting adjourned at 10:05 p.m.
VOTE - MOTiON CARRIED