HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 05-09-1990CITY OF PLYMOUTH
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
W 9t 1.990
The'Regular Meeting of the City of Plymouth Planning Commission
was called to order at 7zOO pm,
MEMBERS PRESENT,-* Chairman Richard Plufka, Commissione-s-
Michael Stulberg, Larry Marofsky, Joy
Tierney, and Hal Pierce.
MEMBERS ASSENT: Commissioners Dennis 2ylla and Jlohn Wire,
STAFF PRESENT: Community Development Coordinator Charles
Dillerud, City Engineer Dan Faulkper and
Planning Secretary Jackie 11atson.
MOTION by Commissioner Tierney, seconded by Co=issioner Pierce MOTION TO APPROVE
to approve the minutes of April 25, 1990. Commission Pierce
stated that "he word "temporary" should be inserted on Page 65,
paragraph 3 before the word "signage."
Vote. 5 Ayes. MOTION carried, MOTION CARRIED
Chairman Plufka, introduced the request of Dennis Arne for DENNIS ARNE (90022)
Rezoning and Preliminary Plat for Arne Addition located at 4435
Vicksburg Lane North.
Coordinator Dillerud reviewed the May .3, I990 Staff Report.
Chairman Plufka questioned why a design for road access from
the Guddal property was not provided for in the Staff Report.
Coordinator Dillerud stated that an effort should be made by
the developer to make access to the Guddal property work.
Plymouth City staff do not do designing for developers per City
Council written policy.
Chairman Plufka introduced Dr. Dennis Arne, the petitioner.
Dr. Arne stated that lie agreed with the need to provide the
Guddals access from the proposed development. He introduced
Rick Sathre who is the engineer for the development and stated
Mr.. Sathre would discuss the "bubble" (access area into the
proposed development for the Guddals), and other pertinent
features of the development.
Mr. Satlire stated that the Guddal property could be divioed
into two or three lots—one lot containing the current
homestead of the Guddals,, He said this had been discussed
briefly with the Guddals.
Chairman Plufka opened the Public Hearing.
Planning Commission Minutes
Mky, 9, 1990
Page 69
Chairman Plufka intrcduced Mr. Jim Guddal of 4465 Vicksburg
Lane.
Mr. Guddal distributed a handout to the Planning Commissioners,
Mr. Guddal stated that his concerns wei,e with the prior
easement given to the City on Vicksburg Lane for i n open storm
sewer, and the current driveway access onto Vicksburg Lane. He
said that if his access to Vicksburg Lane from his current
driveway was cut off and he was forced to use an access created
info -the, newdevelopment to exit from his home that this would
involve a driveway of excessive length. He stated that this
Y;ould, create a loss in market value to his home making the
front entrance to Ws home his rear yard.,
Mr. Guddal stated that he fent item 6 in the Staff Report
imary Issues and Analysis concerning the creation of a 40
toot outlot, was not in his best interest.
Commissioner Marofsky asked Mr., Guddal if the subject of
eventual denial of access onto Vicksburg Lane was discussed
when he purchased. his home, and whether the storm sewer WaS
created before or after he purchased the home.
Mr. Guddalstated that the denial of access to Vicksburg Lane
was not discussed when he purchased his home and that he has
not had the opportunity to explore any options that may be
available to him with an engipeer, should the access to
Vicksburg Lane be terminated. He said that -the st*.orm sewer was
constructed, after iie purchased his home.
City Engineer Faulkner stated the open storm sewer could
possibly be relocated. This was something that needed to be
wf!rked out with the petitioner so that there would not be water
standing in this storm sewer drainage ditch.
Commissioner Stulberg asked that if the drainage pipe were
moved to the property line, woule the easement would still
exist as it now does.
City 'Engineer Faulkner stated that easements can be
restructured, if required.
Mr. Guddal stated that he felt the Planning Commissi,)n should
defer this item for 60 days until he could consult with an
engineer.
Chairman Plufka closed the Public Hearing.
MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Pierce to*recommend approval of the petitijn by Dennis Arne for
Rezoning and Preliminary Plat log, Arne Addittion "located at 4435
Vicksb,irg Lane North subject- to the conditions listed in the
May 3, 1990 Staff Report.
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MaY 9, 1990
Pae 70
NvtlOg to amend by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded lay Chairman
Plufka to add a condition to "hose listed in the Mky 3, 1990L
Staff Report stating that access be provided tz Ordinatice
standards for subdivis4ons for up to three parcels that may be
created in the northeast corner belonging to Jim Guddal.
Commissioner Tierney stated that the Coumissioners should look
at the street bubble p)ssihility.
Cc%idssioner Marofsky stated that there may be a more efficient
way to lay out the division of the Guddal property.
Roll Call Vote on Mot,= to Amend. 3 Ayes, Commissioner VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
Stulberg and Chairman Plufka, Nay. MOTION carried.
Roll Call Vote on Main Motion as once amended. 4 Ayes, VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
Commissioner Tierney, Nay. MOTION carried.
Chairman Plufka introduced the request of Wiles Homes, Inc. for MILES HOMES, INC.
a 'Zotiing Ordin-nce Amendment for signage for property located (90026) 1-
in the 6-1 Zoning District.
Coordinator Dillerud reviewed the Pay 3, 1990 Staff Report.
Chairman Plufka opened the Public Hearing.
Chairman Plufka, introduced Mr. Morris Hartman representing the
petitioner.
Mr. Hartman stated that the site for Miles Homes, Inc. was 36.2
acres and that their building was barely visible from Nat -hen
Lane and Highway 169. He said that a wall sign on the building
t,ias not appropriate or effective and his request for a change,
in the ordinance would not be precedent setting if the
ordinance change was restrictive. Mr. Hartman showed the
Commissioners a diagram of the existing sign end site.
Chairman Plufka closed the Public Hearing.
The Commissioners discussed signsns relative to location, size,
identfication, effectiveness and the possibility of trade-offs
allowing one type of sign for another.
MOTIOtA by Chairman Plufka, seconded by Commissioner Tierney to
direct staff to draft language to amend the Ordinance to permit
the exchange of wall signage for a freestanding sign in the 8-1
District Wiere, the parcel exceeds 20 acres, and has no access
to atA adjoining moor thug Thfare and that the amendment be
brought back to the Planning .,ommisslon for recommendation.
Roll Call Vote. 4 Ayes, Commissioner Marofsky, Nay, MOTION VOCE - MOTION CARRIED
carried.
Mr. McHale stated that the design of all freestanding signage
proposed was modified to substitute pylon signage for the
previously proposed signage that proposed 100 percent opacity
for the full width and height of the freestanding sign. The
result of this modification was to substantially reduce the
surface area of the freestanding signage proposed when measjre(,
consistent with the terms of the Zoning Ordinance,
Mr. Mckiate stated that she number of freestanding signs was
reuuced from 7 to 6; the sign that was eliminated that would.
have been located at the southwest corner of test Medicine Lake
Drive (Northwest Boulevard/County Road 61) and 42nd Place
North.
Mr. McHale stated that they propose the surface area of 4 of
the 6 remain ng freestanding signs, be reduced from
approximately 200 square feet to a specified maximum of 96
square feet, consistent with .he Zoning Ordinance maximum in
the S-2 Zoning Distriyt. Two of the freestanding signs (the
one located adjacent to 1-494 for Tar•;,?t, and one at the
northeast corner of County Road 9 and Vine.,00d Lane serving the
shopping center) are proposed to be 300 square feet each..
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May 9, ;990
Page 71
Chairman Plufka introduced the Zoning Ordinance Textual ZONING' ORDINANCE
Amendment on Yard Waste and Composting. AMENDMENT
Chairman Plufka waived the review of the Staff Report.
Chairman Plufxa opened and closed the Public Nearing as there
was no one present to speak on the issue.,
MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Tierney to recomae` apps^oval of the Zoning Ordinance Textual
Amendment on Yard Waste and Composting.
Roll Call Vote. 5 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE -MOTION CARRIED
Chairman Plufka calleda five minute recess at 8:25. p.m.
Chairman Plufka reconvened the meeting at 8:30 p.m.
Chairman Plufka introduced the request of Ryan Construction RYAN CONSTRUCTION
Company of Minnesota, Inc. for a PUD Final Sign Plan for COMPANY OF MINNESOTA
Rockford Road P'l'aya for property located at the northeast 89014)
corner of 1-494 and County toad 9.
Coordinator Dillerud reviewed the May 1, 1990 Staff Report.. He
stated that Ryan Construction Company would be presenting a
revised sign tL-- the Commission this evening. plan
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Dill McHale representing the
petit -loner.
Mr. McHale stated that the design of all freestanding signage
proposed was modified to substitute pylon signage for the
previously proposed signage that proposed 100 percent opacity
for the full width and height of the freestanding sign. The
result of this modification was to substantially reduce the
surface area of the freestanding signage proposed when measjre(,
consistent with the terms of the Zoning Ordinance,
Mr. Mckiate stated that she number of freestanding signs was
reuuced from 7 to 6; the sign that was eliminated that would.
have been located at the southwest corner of test Medicine Lake
Drive (Northwest Boulevard/County Road 61) and 42nd Place
North.
Mr. McHale stated that they propose the surface area of 4 of
the 6 remain ng freestanding signs, be reduced from
approximately 200 square feet to a specified maximum of 96
square feet, consistent with .he Zoning Ordinance maximum in
the S-2 Zoning Distriyt. Two of the freestanding signs (the
one located adjacent to 1-494 for Tar•;,?t, and one at the
northeast corner of County Road 9 and Vine.,00d Lane serving the
shopping center) are proposed to be 300 square feet each..
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May 9, 1990
Page 72
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Chairman Plufka stated his concern with the removal in the sign
plan of the identification sign 6n Medicine Lame Road.
Mr. McHale stated that the shopping center will be visible from
Medicine Lake Road and the sign was not necessary.
Commissioner Pierce asked if there would be signage on the East
or back side of the shopping center.
Coordinator D i llbrud -" siatec'i ^'ha't<' these areas would remain
eligible for signage.
MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner
Marofsky to recommend approval of the petition for Ryan
Construction Company of Minnesota for a PUD Final Sign Plan for
Rockford Road P iza located at the northeast corner of 1-494
and County Road 9 per the revised sign plan presented to the
Commission and aubjecir to the conditions listed in the May I,
1990 Staff Report..: the total number of freestanding signs
would now be 6 and all would be pylon design. The Target sign
adjacent- to 1-494 and the Shopping. Center Master Sign on Lot 2,
Block 2 adjacent to Count; Road 9 shall each be a maximum 300
square feet area; the 4 additional freestanding signs shall
each be a maximum of 96 square feet area; and located on eaLh
of the four, platted parcels o the MPUD except Lot 1, Block 1,
and Lots I and 2, Block 2.
MOTION by Commissioner 0arofsky, seconded by Commissioner
Pierce to amend the motion changing the language of condition
number I to read;. "Provide the- applicant the option of moving
the pylon sign on the Target, site 1.00 feet northerly of the
location proposed on the blaster Sign Plan." Also, the approval
recommendation shall specify a maximum sign height of 45 feet
for the 300 square foot signs and not to exceed the height of
the principal building on the parcel for the 96 square 'foot
signs
Vo.>,w 5 Ayes. MOTION carried.
MOTIONto amend by Commissioner Pierce, seconded by
Commissioner Marofsiy to amen` :ondition number 3 of the May 1,
1990 Staff Report to eliminate wall signage visible from hest
Medicine Lake Drive except for those tenants occupying 15.000
square feet or more of shopping center area --to be limited to
the wall surface area facing best Medicine Lake Drive foy those
specific tenants. Any shopping center tenant with greater than
15,000 square feet of floor area may have wall signage facing
West Medicine Lake Drive but only wall signage equal to 10
percent of the wall surface area of that tenant.
0 Vote. 4 Ayes, Commissioner Stulberg,::>. MOTION carried.
MOTION TO APPROVE
MOTION TO AMEND
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
MOTION TO AMEND
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
Vote on blain Motion as twice amended. 5 Aye.- MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED..
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may 91, 1990
Page 73
Chairman Plufka introduced the request of Target Stores for a
MPUD Final Site Plan for Rockford Road Plaza located at the
northeast corner of 1-494 and County Road 9.
Coordinated Dillerud reviewed the May 4, 1990 Staff Report.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Bill McHale representing the
developer.
Mr. McHale introduced Ms. Raquel Rudquist representing Target
Stores.
Mr. McHale stated that the trash compactor would not be visible
and therefore felt that screening was not necessary.. He said
that the roof top units would be screened with planted
vegetation.
Ms. Rudquist described the roof top units as 3 feet by 7 feet
by 7 feet each and 18-20 in number, and said that they would be
painted to match the building, This approach would make them
less visible than the construction of a wall which would have
to be built to screen the units.
Commission Marofsky questioned the noise from the roof top
units if they were not screened.
Ms. Rudquist stated the units produce a maximum of 80 decibels
and. said she did not believe the noise would be audible to
aurrounding -neighbors, due to distance.
C)mmissioner Marofsky asked what would be done if the noise
from the roof top units was audible to distant properties.
Coordinator Dillerud stated that the Ordinance states that roof
top units must be screened to preclude noise discernible beyond
the property line in adjoining residential areas.
Commissioner Stulberg asked if all the roof top units would be
controlled so that they would not -,11 be running at the same
time.
Ms. Rudquist stated that they would not be all running at the
same time.
Mr. McHale showed the Commission a diagram of the snack bar,
stating that it is generally a place for shoppers to relax and
he did not consider it a Class II restaurant that required a
conditional use permit. He stated that the snack bar will not
involve customers ordering and carry -Ing out food.
IsMr. McHale showed the Commissioners some samples of the
exterior materials proposed of smooth brick and rock base
block.
TARGET STORES (90025)
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May 9, 1990
Page 74
is Coordinator Dillerud asked if th,-- proposed exterior of the
tuilding was to be all concrete block and not brick. He said
that the exterior materials used on the Target Store will set
the tone for the rest of the shopping center.,,
Ms. Rudquist stated that the building was proposed to be all
concrete block.
Mr. McHale stated that the exterior of the Target Store could
be done in brick apJ, rock Kase block mix.
Commissioner Pierce stated that he thought the roof top units
would look better if they we.e painted to coordinate with the
building rather than building a wall to screen them.
MOTION by Chairman Plufka, seconded by Commissioner Stulberg to MOTION TO APPROVE
recommend approval of the petition by Target Stores for an MPUD
Finhl Site Plan for Rockford Road Plaza located at the
northeast corner of 1-494 and County Road 9 subject to the
conditions listed in the May 4, 1990, Staff Report.
MOTION to amend by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by MOTION TO AMEND
Commissioner Pierce to- change condition 8 stating that the PUD
Plan be amended to allow the outdoor trash compactor to be
unscreened.
Vote. 5 Ayes. MOTION carried.
MOTION to amend by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by MOTION TO AMEND
CommisiJoner Pierce to amend condition 8 stating that if the
outdoor trash compactor and surrounding area are not kept clean
and free of debris they can at any time in the future be
required to screen the area.
Vote., 4 Ayes, Chairman Plufka, Nay. MOTION carried.
MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner
Pierce to amend condition 10 to allow the roof top units to be
screened in the manner proposed by the petitioner's plan and
painted to coordinate with the building. If' noise becomes a
problem to adjoining residential property the units will be
recpired to be screened.
Vote. 5 Ayes. MOTION carried.
MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, s!conded by Commissioner
Marofsky to delete condition 14 requiring a conditional use
permit for the snack bar..,,.
Vote. 3 Ayes Counissioner Pierce and Chairman Plufka, Nay.
MOTION carried.
MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seunded by Chairman Plufka to
add a condition to the May 4, 1990 Staff Report recommended
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
MOTION TO AMEND
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
MOTION TO AMEND
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
AOTION TO AMEND
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May 9, 1990
Page 75
toconditions stating that the t xterior of the building must be a
combinat-t-ion of brick and decorative block on all fou- walls.
Vote. 5 Ayes. MOTION carried.
Vote on Main Motion as five times amended, 5 Ayes MOTION
carried unanimously.
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
UNANLMOUSLY
Chairman Plufka, introduced reconsideration of the request of MEDICINE LAKE LUTHERAI
Medicine Lake Lutheran Church for Rezoning, Site Plan, CHURCH (89086)
Conditional Use Permits, and Variance to construct a place of
worship and elementary school locatedat the southwest corner
of Zachary Lane and Old Rockford Road.
Coordinator Dillerud reviewed the May 2, 1990 Staff Report
stating that the petitioner has Paade changes to the plans, and
he plans now meet Ordinance stafidards with respect to parking
lot screening.
Chairmar Plufka introduced Mr. Jack Ovick and Mr.. Don Obernolte
representing the petitioner.
Mr. 0vick explained the changes made to the plan by the
Medicine Lake Lutheran Church responsive to direction from the
City and suggestions of neighbors.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Mark Beltrand of 4120 Balsam
Lane North who stated he was concerned about the drainage now
running south along the west property line of this site.
City Engineer Feulkner stated that a new culvert under Rockford
Road on the West ide of Zachary Lane would cause drainage from
north to south to be directed east to flow in the west ditch of
Lachary Lane, He said that berming would fill in the existing
culvert Linder Rockford Road.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Veryl Chihak of 4130 Balsam Lane
North.,
Mr. Chihak stated that bad feelings resulted in discussion of
this proposal between the church versus neighbors, and between
neighb,-.rs versus neighbors. He applauded the church for
handling the situation and for placing stakes on the properti
so that the neighbors could vistle-Illy see the location of the
proposed development area. He stated that he felt that if the
church was not built on this location, something else would, be.
He asked the Commission to approve the petition.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Bruce Flessner of 4115 Balsam
Lane North.
Mr. Flessner stated that changes made in the elevation for
screening of the parking area still did not meet the Ordinance
standards. He made specific reference to the southerly 115
feet of the West side of the site.
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Page 76
Coo,-0dinator Dillerud st ited that this new bermi ng proposed to
screen the pt-kir;g area does meet the OrJnance standaros in
hic opinion, A fence previously was not proposed as part of
the e ,,,td this now is part of the new proposal
Chairman Plufka introduced fir. GeraldWoessner of 4200
C ttonwood Lan% North.
Mr. Woessn,er stated he did not fee' the bermirg on the West
side of the development wasadequate, particularly the
southerly 11.5 feet. He said he felt the noise, traffic and
drainage problems on the -ite would i:pair property values in
the adjoining area. He stated that he was opposad to the
petition
City Engineer Faulkner stated that measures would be taken to
prevent erosion in the area.
Coordinator Dillerud stated that the berming projected does
meet the Ordinance standards for screening offstreet parking
and if it does not in actual operation the petitioner will be
required to change it so that it does meet Ordinance standards,
as applicably:,
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Duane Cramer of 11210 42nd
Avenue North=
Mr. Cramer stated that -he felt the parking screening on the
southwest corner was not adequate. He said that a concern was
that the fence proposed was to be eight feet high and the trees
proposed against the fence were only to be six feet high
initially.
Mr. Cramer statedhe was happy with the condition that there be
a cap on enrollment for the school but he would also like to
see a condition that there be no additional structure expansion
on the site, or expansion of the site. He said that there are
still several other items he would like to see resolved before
he could be in favor of the petition,
Commissioner Pierce asked' if expansion was possible on the
site.
Coordinator Dillerud stated that the petitioner could apply at
a later time for a conditional use permit for expansion but
they would have to go through the planning process for
approval.: He stated that it was questionable as to how much
more expansion could be accommodated on site due to impervious
surface standards, but there was an: older home immediately west
of the site that could be acquired for future expansion, as
could any of the homes adjoining the site west or ;ouch,.
MOTIOR by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Tierney to approve the petition by Medicine Lake Lutheran
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Page 77
Church fo° Rezoning, Sitz Pian, Conditiona, Permits, and
Variance to construct a place of worship and etomentary school
located at the southwest corner cif Zachary Gane and Old
Rockford Road subject to the conditions listed in the May 2,
1990 Staff Report.
Roil Call Vote. 4 Ayes;, Commissioner Stulberg, Nair, MOTION VOTE -t MOTION CARRIED.
carried on a 4-1 vote.
Coordinator Billerud updated the Commission on the
Comprehensive Plan Update.
Meeting adjourned at 10:50 p.m,.
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