HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 04-25-1990CITY OF PLYMOUTH
PLANNING COMISSION MINUTES
APRIL 25, 1990
The Regular Meeting of the City of Plymouth Planning
Commission was called to order at 7zOO p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Plufka, Commissioners John Wire,
Hal Pierce (arrived at 7.-55 p.m.), Dennis
Zylla, Joy Tierney, Larry Marofsky, and
Michael Stulberg,
MEMBERS ABSENT: None.
STAFF PRESENT: Coordinator Charles Dillerud. Citv,
Enqineer Dan Faulkner, and Sr.
Clerk/Typist Denise Lanthier.
MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner
Stulberg, to re=irtend approval of the request by Ryan
Construction Company of Minnesota, Inc. for a. Site Plan and
parking deferral for, Computer Parts & Services, Inc. located
approximately 1/4 mile west of Nathan Lane, south of 51st
Avenue, subject to the conditions set forth by staff in the
memorandum, of April 12, 1990.
Vote. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried.
MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner
Stulberg, to approve the Minutes for the April 11, 1990,
Planning Commission Meeting, subject to the following
change. -
On Page 58, paragraph 14, the words "drying facilities"
should be substituted for the words "automatic air dryer".
Vote. 5 Ayes. Commissioner Zylla tabstained. MOTION
carried.
Chairman Plufka introduced the request by Laukka-Williams
Parkers Lake for a Mixed Use Planned Unlit Development
Preliminary Plan/Plat, Conditional Use Permit, and
Subdivision Ordinance variances for Parkers Lake North 6th
Addition located at the northwest corner of 18th Avenue
North and Shenandoah Lane.
MOTION TO APPROVE - RYAN
CONSTRUCTION COMPANY OF
MINNESOTA, INC. (90017)
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
MOTION TO APPROVE -
MINUTES
VOTE - MOTION, CARRIED
LAUKKA-WILLIAMS PARKERS
LAKE (90014)
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Coordinator Oillerud gave an overview of the April 12, 1990,
staff report.
Chairman Plufka asked. staff how many buildable acres there
are on OuOnt A. He expressed concern about the future
density of Ov of Ay _...
Commissioner Marofsky commented that the Preliminary Phan
shows the lot lines going beyond the setbacks, which, he
stated, should match. Commissioner Marofsky also commented
that Laukka-Williams should submit all future Homeowner
Association documents to the City Attorney for approval.
Commissioner Stulberg asked staff how much time is needed R
for Public Works to evaluate the traffic islands proposed.
for this project..
City Engineer Faulkner stated that a "normal" winter season
would be necessary in order to make a complete evaluation.
He stated that, generally, traffic islands are more
difficult to maintain during the winter.
Chairman Plufka introduced Miles Lindberg of BRW, Inc.,:
representing the petitioner.
Mr. Lindberg responded to Chairman Plufka`s earlier question
regarding the number of buildable acres for Outlot A He
stated there are approximately 1.9,6 acres in Outlot J, 12.61
acres are iii proposed Outlot A, and 4 acres of that is
ponding area. The net result is approximately 8 acres of
buildable land in Outlot A. He stated the pond was
developed naturally in the 4th addition to provide storm
water storage for Outlot J.
Mr. tin&arg presented arguments in. support of the p-oposed
traffic islands. He stated the islands provide landscape
relief; act as a delineator bet -ween the neighborhoods; and
provide symbolic entrance features He stated there would
be no public safety issues relating to the proposed traFfic
islands
Chairman Plufka introduced Lawry Laukka, the petitioner.
Mr. Laukka stated that the original plan was developed in
conjunction with: the City. He stated the property is split
into parts --the east side is high density housing and
industrial development and the west side is mid density
housing and: commercial development. fir. Laukka stated that
Gutlot J. is too big to develop at one time because of the
dost to extend Shenandoah Lane and. 22nd Avenue.
Mr. Laukxa expressed his support of the traffic islands. He
stated they, add a nice touch to the community, and assured
the Commisslan they would be teken care of properly.
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Chairman Plufka opened the Public Hearing. There was no one
present to speak on the issue.
Chairman Plufka closed the Public bearing.
Commissioner Wire aske4 staff if they have observed how well
traffic islands in other communities have been maintained.
City Engineer Faulkner responded negatively.
Commissioner Marofsky stated that he has seen other traffic
islands poorly maintained* He stated that the smaller -the
traffic island, the harder they are to maintain physically
and econor ti:cally. He stated that medians need to be
addressed as to maintenance by the Homeowner Association
documents.
MOTION by Chairman. Plufka, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Stulberg, to recommend approval of the request by Laukka-
Williams Parkers Lai.e for a Mixed Use Planned Unit
Development Preliminary, Plan/Plat, Conditional Use Permit,
and Subdivision Ordinance variances for Parkers Lake North
6th Addition located at the northwest corner of 18th, Avenue,
Horth and Shenandoah Lane, subject to the conditions set
forth by staff in the memorandum of April 12, 1990.
MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO AMEND
Wire, to attend the main motion by adding a condition stating
that all lot lines are to b4 within the setbacks.
Roll Call Vote., 6 Ayes. MOTIONto amend carried, VOTE MOTION TO AMEND
CARRIED
MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO AME?ff
Tierney, to amend the main motion by adding a condition
stating that all Homeowner Association documents are to be
submitted to the Cite Attorney for appro€,al and are to
include reference to maintenance of Outlot A and the
medians, if otherwise approved.
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes. MOTION to amend carried. VOTE - MOTION TO AHEM
CARRIED
MOTION, by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Chairman Plufka, MOTION TO AMEND
to amend the main motion by amending Condition 1 to allow
for traffic islands as proposed by the developer.
Commissioner Wire stated he was in general agreement with
the Engineer's Memorandum, but felt that the traffic islands
would be aesthetically more pleasing.
10 Commissioner Marofsky stated that the entrance traffic
island: could become a problem with people putting up signs,
which could cause traffic problems.
Commissioner Pierce arrived at 7;55 p.m..
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CommissionWr Wire asked staff if the City would have
recourse to keep the proposed traffic islands maintained if
they were City -owned, but privately maintained.
Coordinator Dillerud responded affirmatively and stated that
the City would have the authority to take action against
anyone who would inproperly use the traffic islands, or
create a hazard to traffic.
Cotmissione,r Stulberg stated that he will su port the motion
because he would like to see the traffic is anes. developed.
He also agreed that aesthetically they would look better,
but was otherwise in support of the Engineer's findings.
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes, Commissioner Pierce abstained, VOTE - MOTION TO AMEtT
MOTION to amend carried. CARRIED
Roll Call Vote on main motion. 6 Ayes. Commissiotter Pierce VOTE - MAIN MOTICH
abstained, MOTION carried. CARRIED
IMOTIONbyCommissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Wire, to recommend to the City Councill that Laukka-Will,,;rs
be allowed to develop only a portion of the pond ltu*lutlot J
as proposed. , 111
Vote. 5 Ayes, Commissioner Pierce abstained and VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
Commissioner Marofsky opposed. MOTION carried.
Chairman Plufka introduced the request by Stuart Corpovetion STUART CORPORA11,110N,
for a Planned Unit Development Plan and Conditional Use (90016)
Permit amendment for signage located at the southeast
quadrant of Rockford Road and Plymouth Boulevard.
Coordinator Dillerad gave an overview of the April 12, 1990,
staff report.
Chairman Plufka introduced Stuart Nolan, the petitioner
Mr. Nolan stated, he was inopposition with staff's
recommendations. He stated his only intention is to conduct
his business and advertise it. He assured the Commission
that he would not put anything demeaning on the buildings
that would turn the customers away. He stated that
SuwerPlace Apartments are difficult to see because it is
not on a major thoroughfare. Therefore he expressed that
approval of the sign for SummerPlace Apartments would be
most important to him. He further added that many people
were sent property notice of his propusal and not one person
has expressed opposition to such signage.
Mr. Nolan referred to off-site signs existing for the
Stonehill and Mallard Pointe Apartment projects, and said
the director told him those were permitted by variance. He
stated he is only asking the same consideration that has
been accorded to those competing projects.
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Commissioner Plufka asked Mr. Nolan if a phone number would
be printed on the signs.
Mr. Nolan responded that mostly likel., there will be a phone
number, but added that he would be flexible enough to put on
the signs what the Planning Commission recommend,-,.,,,
Commissioner Zylla asked*. Nolan if the vinyl signs would
be permanent. I
Mr. Nolan responded that his business is losing money and
either temporary or permanent signage would help his
business. He said he would agree with a recommendation from
the Planning Cow.ission to have a deadline for temporary
signage.
Commissioner Zylla asked staff if the City could do an
annual review of the Conditional Use Permit.
Coordinator Dillerud responded affirmatively.
Commissioner Marofsky asked staff what the Zoning Ordinance
regulations are for real estate signs.
Coordinator Dillerud stated that the City does not regulate
signs below a certain size. He stated the City allows for
temporary identification signage until three years after a
project is finished.
Mr. Nolan stated that SummerPlace Apartments was completed.
in the fall of 1987 and therefore their three years are rot
up yet, but he still would like to have permanent or
temporary signage beyond the "three year rule."
Chairman Plufka.opened the Public Hearing.
Chairman Plufka noted receipt of a letter from Frank Freels
of 15115 38th Avenue North, stating the was in opposition of
the proposed signage.
Chairman Plufka introduced Jim Guddal of 4465 Vicksburg Lane
North.
Mr. Guddal stated that he is a resident of Plymouth and
would someday like to be the owner of a business in
Downtown Plymouth." He stated signage would be a very
important part of his business, and stated he is in support
of -the proposed signage for Stuart Corporation.
Chairman Plufka closed the Public Hearing.
40 Commissioner Pierce asked staff if the City regulates the
size of directional signage.
Coordinator Dillerud responded affirmatively.
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MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner
Wire, to recorxiend denial of the request by Stuart
Corporation for a Planned Unit Development Plan and
ConditionalUse Pe,wmit amendment located at the southeast
quadrant of Rockford Road and Plymouth Boulevard, subject to
the findings set forth by staff in the memorandum dated
April 12, 1990.
Commissioner Marofsky did not think it was appropriate
adopting such: a proposal on a case-by-case basis. He stated
it would set precedent for all rental units and suggested
the Commission review the Ordinanc: as a whole.
Comtmission:r Pierce recommended setting up a study meeting
to discuss signage such as the one proposed.
Roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes. MOTION carried.
MOTION by Commissioner, lire, seconded by Commissioner
Pierce, to add to the next Planning Commission agenda
dis:,ussion of rental signage..
Roll Call Vote. 5 Ayes-. Commissioners Marofsky and
Stulberg Nay. MOTION carried.
isCommissioner Stulberg stated that his reason for voting
against this motion was because he felt the Commission
should look at the Ordinance as a whole and not just rental
unit signage..
Chairman Plufka introduced the request by Arnold; Haugdahl
for a Planned unit Development Plan and Conditional Use
e-,nit amendment for a three season porch located at 4064
uantaco Lane.
Chairman Plufka waived the overview of the April 12, 19903,
staff report.
Chairman Plufka introduced Arnold Haugdahl, the petitioner.
Mr. Haugdahl stated that he bougkt his present home in 1983
and there was an existing 12' x 10' deck encroaching over
the lot line. He stated he is proposing to construct a
porch above the deck which would encroach 5 feet into the
common grounds of the Association. He stated the
Homeowner's Association has granted him an easement for the
property, Mr. Haugdahl further stated that the proposed
porch would not create a hardship for any other residents by
blocking their view.
Commissioner Zylla asked Mr. Haugdahl if the encroaching
parcel was 68 square feet.
MOTION TO DENS`
VOTE - MOTION ARRIEU
MOTION TO APPROVE
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
ARNOLD HAM ° WL (900 i:8)
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Mr. Haugdahl responded affirmatively and added that the
Homeowner's Associaticn. granted him the easement because the
existing deck and proposed porch coincide with E-ach otfier.,
Chairman Plufka opened the Public Hearing. There was no one
present to speak on the issue.
Chairman Plufka closed the Public Hearing.
MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner
Pierce, to recommend aoproval of the request by Arnold
Haugdahl for a Planned Unit Development Plan and Conditional
Use Permit amendment for a three season porch located at
4064 Quantico Lane, subject to the conditions set forth by
staff In the memorandum of April 12, 1990.
C%imiss-loner Stulberg stated that he feels a hardship exits
Iforthepetitioner because the deck was existing when he
purchased the home. He stated lie felt it was not the fault
of the present homeowner for the encroachment of the
existing deck.
Commissioner Pierce stated he agreed with Commissioner
Stulberg's, comment about the hardship of the homeowner.
Commiss -, r Marofsky stated that the Planning Commission
would fine in favor of proposals of similar situations whenl
hardships such as this exist.
Commissioner Wire stated the proposal meets all of the
standards o°k the Zoning. Ordinance for a Conditional lis(
Permit.
Roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes., MOTION carried..
Chairman Plefka introduced the request by Holiday Plus for a
Conditional Use Permit for seasonal outdoor display of
merchandise located at 4445 Nathan Lane.
Chairman Plufka waived the overview of the Api-il 12, 1990,
staff report.
Commissioner Wire as Ked Commissioner Marofsky if this
proposal is related to the Outside Storage and Display Task
Force.
Commissioner Marafsky responded affirmatively and stated Mr.
So'larz, the petitioner, is a part of that study group and at
last week's meeting, they discussed the teu,)orary di;play of
outdoor merchandise.
Chairman Plufka introduced. Craig Solarz, the petitio'ner.
MOTION TO APPROVE
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
HOLIDAY PLUS (90021)
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April e5, 1990
Page 67
Mr. Solarz stated that Holiday Plus is proposing to hold a
plant sale during the months of May and, ,lune, and they are
requesting the Commission to recommend approval to display
the plants outside during the sale. He stated many
customer's in previous years have suggested Holiday Plus
display the plants outside during the sale, but the
Ordinance would not allow for this. He stated that now that
theOrdinance has changed, they have decided to apply for a
Conditional Use Permit to store their bedding plants outside
during the sale.
Chairman Plufka opened the Public Hearing. There was no rine
present to speak on the issue.
Chairman Plufka closed the Public Hearing.
MOTION by Commissioner 7ylla, sec6aded by Commissioner
Tierney, to recommendapproval of the request by Holiday
Plus for a Conditional Use Permit for seasonal outdoor
display of merchandise located at 4445 Nathan Lane, subject
to the conditions set: forth by staff in the memorandum of
April 12, 1990,
MOTION TO APPROVE
MOTION, by Commissioner Marc ;econded by Commissioner MOTION TO AMEND
ulberg, to amend the main . by adding a condition
acing that no other outside display of merchandise shall`
Le allowed unless specifically allowed by a new or amended
Conditional Use Permit.
Commissioner Stulberg stated he would vote against the
motion to amend because the petitioner should be allowed
whatever a future City licensing program would provide him
regardless of this existing Conditional Use Permit.
Roll Will Vete, b Ayes. Commissioner Stulberg Nay. MO`f1ON VOTE _ MOTIi N TO AMEND
to amend. carried'. CARRIED
Roll Cali Vote on main motion. 7 Ayes. MOTION carried. V0 . - MAIN MOTICN'
CARRi ll
Chairman Plufka adjourned the meeting at 9:10 p.m. OTHER BUSINESS
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