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PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
MARCH 14, 199
Tire Regular Meeting of the City of Plymouth Planning Commission
was called to order at 7.30 pm.
MEMBERS PRESENT; Chairman Richard Plufka, Commissioners
Michael Stulberg, Larry 'Marofsky, John Dire,.
Dennis Zylla, Joy Tierney and Nal Pierce.
MEMBERS ABSENT- None
STAFF PRESENT: Community Development Coordinator Charles
Dillerud, City Engineer Dan Faulkner and
Planning Secretary Jackie Watson.
dtl by Comm;iss 4oner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Wire MOTION TO APPROVE
to approve the minutes of February 28, 1990.
Vote. 6 „yes MOTION carried. Commissioner Marofsky MOTION CARRIED
abstained.
Chairman Plufka introduced the request of Lundgren Brothers LUNDGREN BROTHERS
Construction for a RPUD Concept Plan, Preliminary Plat/Plan, CONSTRUCTION (90009)
Rezoning from FRD to R1 -A and Conditional Use Permit for
property located north of County Road 24 and south: of highway
55,
Coordinator Dillerud reviewed the February 28, 1990 Staff
Report,
Commissioner Marofsky asked if the two lots located at the
northeast corner of the plat would be accessible to City sewer.
Engineer Faulkner stated that these two lots would be connected
to City saver by a long service line.
Commissioner Marofsky stated that the March 13, 1990 City of
Medina letter distributed at the meeting on March 14, 1990
states that Medina had assumed that Beth Avenue wouldextend
into Medina from this project.
Coordinator Dillerud stated that there were no plans to extend
34th Avenue into Medina, based on City Council direction during
review of a Sketch Plan for this site in 1989.
Commissioner Zylla stated that both the grading plan and staff
report state that there- is no area below the 100 year high
water elevation.
01 Coordinator Dillerud responded that this statement should have
been "no urea of this plat is within required' City Storm Water
Drainage."
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Commissioner Zylla asked if there were any DNR protected
wetlands on the site.
Coordinator Uillerud responded that there are no DNR protected
wetlands on the site, based on Engineering Division records. A
DNR wetland riay exist in Medina adjacent to this site - and
spill over tato Plymouth slightly. pi
Commissioner Zylla questioned how much storage will be required
for the runoff on, this plat.
i-ingineer Faulkner stated that the storm water discharge frog_
this site will be compatible with the current discharge of
water from the site.,
Chairman introduced Mr. Terry Forbord of Lundgren
Broth r and Mr. Bob Payette of Sathre-Berquist (the consulting
engineers for the project).
Mr. Forbord stated that the petitioner would prefer that the
Planning Commission consider and recommend approval of the
entire petition, which includes the concept plan and
prelitainary plan, rather than approving them separately and
possibly delaying approval of the preliminary plan. He said
that the developer had lost time waiting for the approval of
the Capital Improvement Program by the Council, acid that they
are anxious to proceed with the development.
Mr. Forbord explained the unique characteristics of the site
and the developer's decision to develop it as a PUD. He stated
that much of the property is wetlands and their desire is to
maintain as much of the wetland area as possible., The PUD plan
allows for the small -r lot size. He stallted that the developer
also wants to build, housing which is affordable in
approximately the $143,000 range. He explained that the
smaller lot size also lowers development costs which helps to
keep the housing costs down.
Mr. Forbord stated that the developer wishes to develop Lots 1
and 14 in the northwest corner of the site and not leave them
as wetland area. He said that this area is Type 2 wetland,
which is rarely wet, and that they had worked with both the DNR
and the Army Corps on these lots,
Mr., Forbord: stated that, in response to Item la of the
Engineer's Memorandum, the developer would install a stop sign
at Zircon and 32nd Avenue to slow traffic, but they did not
feel they sho!ild be required to install an eastbound bypass
lane to improve County Road 24, which would be of no benefit to
the developer.
Discussing Item 24 of the Engineer's Memorandum, Mr. Forbord
stated that they wished to have medians at the major entrances
to ,the site which would be maintained by the Homeowners
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Association. He said that monuments at the p.iint of ai,rival to
a development are important.
IMr. ForborO said that the developer had not -v
development
1 en Medina any
assurance that any of the roads from he evel opment would
continue into Medina.
Mr. Forbord also asked that Item 24 d in the Engineer's Memo,
the second sentence, be reworded to read "The rate and volume
of storm water runoff from the proposed plat shall not exceed
the existing runoff (added were the words "and volume of stoi-i
water") . "
Commissioner Zylla asked Mr. Forbord how many acres of wetland
will exist on the site.
Mr. Forbord responded that there will be 17 acres of wetland
remaining on the site which will be private open space, The
developer will fill 1.2 acres of Federal identified wetlands,
but no DNR protected wetlands. Mr. Forbord stated that the
developer wished to enhance the wetland areas which would be
owned and.maintained by the Homeowners Association,
Coordinator Dillerud reaffirmed to the Commission that the City
had not made a,,y assurances to the City of Medina on roads into
Medina from this development.
Engineer Faulkner stated that the Engineering Department
objects to medians for maintenance reasons. He said that the
installation of a stop sign does not slow traffic and that the
eastbound auxillaryf lane on County Road 24 was going to be
discussed with the Hennepin County Engineering Department.
Cha:rman Plufka opened the Public Hearing.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Michael Larson of 18620 32nd
Avenue North.
Mr. Larson stated that his concerns were how the 32nd Avenue
North monument signage oroposed would affect Amber Woods,- the
drainage ditch plans for the development along the Amber Woods
border; and whether there would be water standing in the ponds.
Coordinator Dillerud responded that the signage plans will be a
part of the final plat.
Mr. Forbord responded that the ponds will be designed to have
water in them.
Uoirman Plufka introduced Ms. Pat Raskob of 2562 Holyname,
Pis. Raskob stated that she was concerned about any runoff to
the west into Medina since Vere has not been any, except in
se4pre storms.
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Chairman Plufka introduced Ms Mary Wein, i erlof 18820 County
Road 24.
Ms. Wpinzierl stated she was concerned about, the setback
distance proposed because of the high water table in the area.
She said she was also roncerned over the large number of houses
to be built on this wet. area
Chairman Plufka reintroduced Ms Pat. paskob..
Ms. Raskob stated she was concerned that the geese nesting area
on the west side of the site would be disturbed.
Mr. Payette stated that only the extreme southeast corner of
the wetland on the west side of the site would be altered.
Chairman Plufka closed the Public Hearing.
MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, se^onded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE
Stulberg to reccmnend approval of the Concept Plan for Lundgren
Brothers Constr.,ion, Inc. for the Leuer Property located
northeast: of Coin,,** Road 24 and Brockton Lane,. amending
Condition No. 6 to i'lv,,v 25 feet setbacks for the front yard
and removing the last sentence of Condition No. 6 regarding
developer proof for the need for 25 foot setbacks.
Commissioner Marofsky stated that his reason for changing the
front yard setback to 25 feet was to allow the developer to
build homes further away from the wetlands. He observed that
most of ;the proposed lots are adjacent to wetland areas.
Discussion continued regarding the setback and smaller lot size
for the PUD as they would compare to a conventional lot.
MOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Chairman PILAfka to MOTION ' TO AMEND
restore the original language of the last sentence in Condition
No. 6 proposed by staff with the Staff Report of February 28,
1590.
Roll Gall Vote. 4 Ayes. Commissioners Tierney, Marofsky and: VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
Stulberg, Nay. MOTION carried on a 4-3 vote.
Chairman Plufka asked if there is a provision regarding a PUD
where minimum lot size could be set by the Commission..
Coordinator Dillerud stated that minimum lot size could be set
as a condition of a PUD.
Discussion continued on the smaller lot sizes of this
development and the blending of a development such as this with
she Amber Woods development that adjoins inhere larger lots
would abut,
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MOTION to amend by Chairman Plufka, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO AMLND
Wire to delete Condition No. 6 of the Concept Plan approval
recommendation regarding setbacks and to add a condition
stating that "No variances are implied."
Roll Call Vote, 6 Ayes, Commissioner Zylla, -Nay. MOTION VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
carried.
Chairman Plufka noted that setback detail is not an appropriate
issue at the PUD Concept Plan stage.
Commissioner 7ylla stated that lot size should not be
sacrificed because of density standards, and that the
development should blend with the adjoining neighborhood
regarding lot size.
Roll Call Vote on Main Motion as twice amended. 6 Ayes, VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
Commissioner Zylla, Nay. MOTION carried.
MOTION by Chairman Plufka, seconded by Commissioner Wire to MOTION TO APPROVE
recommend approval of the RPUD Preliminary Plan/Plat,
Conditional Use Permit, and Rezoning for Lundgren Brothers
Construction, Inc. for the Leuer Property located northeast of
County Road '24 and Brockton Lane.
MOTION to amend by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissiorer
Pierce to add a condition stating that "lot sizes for lots
adjoining the Amber Woods development be compatible in size
with those in Amber Woods."
Commissioner Marofsky asked if the lot size calculation
included the pond areas.
Mr. Payette stated that pond areas were included in tho to
size calculations in some cases, but excluded where the ponds
were within HOA designated outlots,
Mr. Forbord stated that bigger is not always better as, to lot
size and that this PUD's lot sizes should not be compared to a
conventional plat,
Roll Call Vote. 3 Ayes. Commissioners Tierney, Marofsky,
Stulberg and Chairman Plufka, Nay. MOTION failed.
MOTTON TO AMEND
VOTE - MOTION FAILED
MOTION to amend by Cmimissioner Stulberg, seconded by MOTION TO AMEND
Commissioner Marofsky to recommend that the Final Plat for this
petition come back to the Planning Commission, and that those
present who spoke at the Public Hearing be notified of the
meeting.
Roll Call Vote. 'i' Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
MOTION to amend by Commissioner Pierce, seconded by MOTION TO 41END
Commissioner Wire to add a condition stating that the medians
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be retained on the design for the entrance from County Road 24
only.
Roll Call Vote. 5 Aves. Commissioners Marofsky and Stulberg, VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
Nay. MOTION Carried,.'
Roll Call Vote on Main Motion as twice amended. 4 kyes VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
Commissioners Wire, Pierce and Zylla, Nay. MOTION carried on a
4-3 vote,
Commissioner W't-re stated that his concern was that Lots 9-14,
Block 6 (adjoining Amber Woods) were too small.
Commissioner Pierce stated that he concurred with Commissioner
Wire.
Chairman Plufka called for a recess at 9.-45 p.m.
Chairman Plufka reconvened the meeting at 9:50 P.M.
Chairman "Plufka intro -laced the request of Holiday Station HOLIDAY STATION STORES,
Stores, Inc. for an Amended Conditional Use Pdrnit to allow for INC. .90013)
a 24-hour operation to replace the hours of operation approved
at 7 am. to 11 p.m., 7 days a week for property located at
10100 County Road 9.
is Chairman Plufka waived the review of the February 28, 1990
Staff Report,
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Jerry Jensen representing
Holiday Station Stores, Inc.
Mr. Jensen stated that ie was in agreement with the February
28, 1990 Staff Report,
Chairman Plufka opened the Public Rea -ring. There was no one
present to speak on the issue. Chairman Plufka closed the
Public Hearin'q.
MOTION by Commissioner Tierney, seconded by Commissioner Zylla MOTDON Tu APPROVE
to recommend approval of the request by Holiday Station Stores,
Inc. for, an Amended Conditional Use Permit to allow for a 24-
hour operation 7 days a week for property located at 10100
County Road 9.
MOTION to amend by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Chairman MOTION TO AMEND
Plufka to add a condition stating that no tanker refueling
operations be allowed between the hours of 11 pm., and 7 a.m.
Mr. Jensen stated that the station needs the flexibilty for
refueling during the late night hours,. He stated there is very
little traffic at this time and it is a good time for this
operation, to take place.
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Roll Call Vote. 2 Ayes. Commissioners Pierce, Zylla, Tierney, VOTE - MOTION' FAILED
Marofsky and Stulberg, Nay. MOTION failed on a 2-5 vote.
IMOTIONtoamendbyCommissionerWire, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO AMEND
Pierce to add a condition stating that no pump speakers would
be used during the hours of 11 p.m,, to 7 a.m.
Mr. Jensen stated that communications need to be maintained at
all times between the pump area and the inside manager by State
Law.
Commissioner Zylla stated tha' this is a Conditional Use Permit
which will be reviewed annually and if there are any problems,
conditions will be reviewed at that time.
Roll Call Vote. I Aye. Commissioners Pierce, Zylla, Tierney, VOTE - MOTION FAILED
Marofsky, Stulberg and Chairman Plufka, Nay. MOTION failed on
a 1-6 vote.
Roll Call Vote do Main Motion. 6 Ayes. Commissioner Wire, VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
Nay. Motion carried on a 6-1 vote,
Commissioner Wire stated that he voted against the motion
because he felt the situations or conditions had not changed
since the original permit was approved.
Chairman Plufka introduced the request of Ryan Construction of RYAN CONSTRUCTION OF
Minnesota, Inc. for a MPUD Final Plan/olat and Waiver of the MINNESOTA (89014)
Subdivision Code for property located at the northeast corner
of County Road 9 and 1-494. 4
Commissioner Mw,ofsky stepped down from the discussion of this
item,
Chairman Plufka waived the review of the March 7, 1990 Staff
Report.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mr, William McHale representing the
petitioner.
Mr. McHale stated that the petitioners were in agreement with
the March 7, 1990 Staff Report.
MOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner Stulberg, MOTION TO APPROVE
to recommend approval of the request of Ryan Construction of
Minnesota, Inc. for a MPUD Final Plan/Plat and Waiver of the
Subdivision Code for property located at the northeast quadrant
of County Road 9 and 1-494 subject to all conditions listed in
the staff report of March 7, 1990.
Vote. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
Coo-dinator Dillerud gave the Commission an overview of the
status of the Comprehensive Plan.
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Coordinator Dillerud reviewed the upcoming March 28, 1990
Public Hearing with the Park and Recreation Commission on the
Warks and Trails Element of the Comprehensive Plan.
Coordinator Dillerud said he would try to send the information
for the Parks Public Hearing out early so that if Commissioners
had any questions they could contact Eric Blank, Director of
Park and Recreation.
Chairman Plufka suggested that the Commission begin their
meetings at 7:00 p.m. starting in April.
The Commission agreed unanimously to try the 700 p.m, meeting
starting time beginning in April.
The Commissioners asked that: they be notified of when any
meetings concerning the alignment of County Road 9 west of
Vicksburg lane to County Road 24 were to be held. They also
expressed a desire far input on this subject.
Meeting adjourned at 10„15 p.m.