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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 03-14-1990CITY OF PLYMOUTH! PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES MARCH 14, 199 Tire Regular Meeting of the City of Plymouth Planning Commission was called to order at 7.30 pm. MEMBERS PRESENT; Chairman Richard Plufka, Commissioners Michael Stulberg, Larry 'Marofsky, John Dire,. Dennis Zylla, Joy Tierney and Nal Pierce. MEMBERS ABSENT- None STAFF PRESENT: Community Development Coordinator Charles Dillerud, City Engineer Dan Faulkner and Planning Secretary Jackie Watson. dtl by Comm;iss 4oner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Wire MOTION TO APPROVE to approve the minutes of February 28, 1990. Vote. 6 „yes MOTION carried. Commissioner Marofsky MOTION CARRIED abstained. Chairman Plufka introduced the request of Lundgren Brothers LUNDGREN BROTHERS Construction for a RPUD Concept Plan, Preliminary Plat/Plan, CONSTRUCTION (90009) Rezoning from FRD to R1 -A and Conditional Use Permit for property located north of County Road 24 and south: of highway 55, Coordinator Dillerud reviewed the February 28, 1990 Staff Report, Commissioner Marofsky asked if the two lots located at the northeast corner of the plat would be accessible to City sewer. Engineer Faulkner stated that these two lots would be connected to City saver by a long service line. Commissioner Marofsky stated that the March 13, 1990 City of Medina letter distributed at the meeting on March 14, 1990 states that Medina had assumed that Beth Avenue wouldextend into Medina from this project. Coordinator Dillerud stated that there were no plans to extend 34th Avenue into Medina, based on City Council direction during review of a Sketch Plan for this site in 1989. Commissioner Zylla stated that both the grading plan and staff report state that there- is no area below the 100 year high water elevation. 01 Coordinator Dillerud responded that this statement should have been "no urea of this plat is within required' City Storm Water Drainage." Planning Cormnission Minutes March 14, 1990 Page 35 Commissioner Zylla asked if there were any DNR protected wetlands on the site. Coordinator Uillerud responded that there are no DNR protected wetlands on the site, based on Engineering Division records. A DNR wetland riay exist in Medina adjacent to this site - and spill over tato Plymouth slightly. pi Commissioner Zylla questioned how much storage will be required for the runoff on, this plat. i-ingineer Faulkner stated that the storm water discharge frog_ this site will be compatible with the current discharge of water from the site., Chairman introduced Mr. Terry Forbord of Lundgren Broth r and Mr. Bob Payette of Sathre-Berquist (the consulting engineers for the project). Mr. Forbord stated that the petitioner would prefer that the Planning Commission consider and recommend approval of the entire petition, which includes the concept plan and prelitainary plan, rather than approving them separately and possibly delaying approval of the preliminary plan. He said that the developer had lost time waiting for the approval of the Capital Improvement Program by the Council, acid that they are anxious to proceed with the development. Mr. Forbord explained the unique characteristics of the site and the developer's decision to develop it as a PUD. He stated that much of the property is wetlands and their desire is to maintain as much of the wetland area as possible., The PUD plan allows for the small -r lot size. He stallted that the developer also wants to build, housing which is affordable in approximately the $143,000 range. He explained that the smaller lot size also lowers development costs which helps to keep the housing costs down. Mr. Forbord stated that the developer wishes to develop Lots 1 and 14 in the northwest corner of the site and not leave them as wetland area. He said that this area is Type 2 wetland, which is rarely wet, and that they had worked with both the DNR and the Army Corps on these lots, Mr., Forbord: stated that, in response to Item la of the Engineer's Memorandum, the developer would install a stop sign at Zircon and 32nd Avenue to slow traffic, but they did not feel they sho!ild be required to install an eastbound bypass lane to improve County Road 24, which would be of no benefit to the developer. Discussing Item 24 of the Engineer's Memorandum, Mr. Forbord stated that they wished to have medians at the major entrances to ,the site which would be maintained by the Homeowners 11 2 Planning Conalssion minutes March 14, 1990 Page 36 Association. He said that monuments at the p.iint of ai,rival to a development are important. IMr. ForborO said that the developer had not -v development 1 en Medina any assurance that any of the roads from he evel opment would continue into Medina. Mr. Forbord also asked that Item 24 d in the Engineer's Memo, the second sentence, be reworded to read "The rate and volume of storm water runoff from the proposed plat shall not exceed the existing runoff (added were the words "and volume of stoi-i water") . " Commissioner Zylla asked Mr. Forbord how many acres of wetland will exist on the site. Mr. Forbord responded that there will be 17 acres of wetland remaining on the site which will be private open space, The developer will fill 1.2 acres of Federal identified wetlands, but no DNR protected wetlands. Mr. Forbord stated that the developer wished to enhance the wetland areas which would be owned and.maintained by the Homeowners Association, Coordinator Dillerud reaffirmed to the Commission that the City had not made a,,y assurances to the City of Medina on roads into Medina from this development. Engineer Faulkner stated that the Engineering Department objects to medians for maintenance reasons. He said that the installation of a stop sign does not slow traffic and that the eastbound auxillaryf lane on County Road 24 was going to be discussed with the Hennepin County Engineering Department. Cha:rman Plufka opened the Public Hearing. Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Michael Larson of 18620 32nd Avenue North. Mr. Larson stated that his concerns were how the 32nd Avenue North monument signage oroposed would affect Amber Woods,- the drainage ditch plans for the development along the Amber Woods border; and whether there would be water standing in the ponds. Coordinator Dillerud responded that the signage plans will be a part of the final plat. Mr. Forbord responded that the ponds will be designed to have water in them. Uoirman Plufka introduced Ms. Pat Raskob of 2562 Holyname, Pis. Raskob stated that she was concerned about any runoff to the west into Medina since Vere has not been any, except in se4pre storms. tanning Commission Minutes March 14, 1990 Page 3 Chairman Plufka introduced Ms Mary Wein, i erlof 18820 County Road 24. Ms. Wpinzierl stated she was concerned about, the setback distance proposed because of the high water table in the area. She said she was also roncerned over the large number of houses to be built on this wet. area Chairman Plufka reintroduced Ms Pat. paskob.. Ms. Raskob stated she was concerned that the geese nesting area on the west side of the site would be disturbed. Mr. Payette stated that only the extreme southeast corner of the wetland on the west side of the site would be altered. Chairman Plufka closed the Public Hearing. MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, se^onded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE Stulberg to reccmnend approval of the Concept Plan for Lundgren Brothers Constr.,ion, Inc. for the Leuer Property located northeast: of Coin,,** Road 24 and Brockton Lane,. amending Condition No. 6 to i'lv,,v 25 feet setbacks for the front yard and removing the last sentence of Condition No. 6 regarding developer proof for the need for 25 foot setbacks. Commissioner Marofsky stated that his reason for changing the front yard setback to 25 feet was to allow the developer to build homes further away from the wetlands. He observed that most of ;the proposed lots are adjacent to wetland areas. Discussion continued regarding the setback and smaller lot size for the PUD as they would compare to a conventional lot. MOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Chairman PILAfka to MOTION ' TO AMEND restore the original language of the last sentence in Condition No. 6 proposed by staff with the Staff Report of February 28, 1590. Roll Gall Vote. 4 Ayes. Commissioners Tierney, Marofsky and: VOTE - MOTION CARRIED Stulberg, Nay. MOTION carried on a 4-3 vote. Chairman Plufka asked if there is a provision regarding a PUD where minimum lot size could be set by the Commission.. Coordinator Dillerud stated that minimum lot size could be set as a condition of a PUD. Discussion continued on the smaller lot sizes of this development and the blending of a development such as this with she Amber Woods development that adjoins inhere larger lots would abut, Planning, Commission Minutes 14archt 14, 1990 Page 38 MOTION to amend by Chairman Plufka, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO AMLND Wire to delete Condition No. 6 of the Concept Plan approval recommendation regarding setbacks and to add a condition stating that "No variances are implied." Roll Call Vote, 6 Ayes, Commissioner Zylla, -Nay. MOTION VOTE - MOTION CARRIED carried. Chairman Plufka noted that setback detail is not an appropriate issue at the PUD Concept Plan stage. Commissioner 7ylla stated that lot size should not be sacrificed because of density standards, and that the development should blend with the adjoining neighborhood regarding lot size. Roll Call Vote on Main Motion as twice amended. 6 Ayes, VOTE - MOTION CARRIED Commissioner Zylla, Nay. MOTION carried. MOTION by Chairman Plufka, seconded by Commissioner Wire to MOTION TO APPROVE recommend approval of the RPUD Preliminary Plan/Plat, Conditional Use Permit, and Rezoning for Lundgren Brothers Construction, Inc. for the Leuer Property located northeast of County Road '24 and Brockton Lane. MOTION to amend by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissiorer Pierce to add a condition stating that "lot sizes for lots adjoining the Amber Woods development be compatible in size with those in Amber Woods." Commissioner Marofsky asked if the lot size calculation included the pond areas. Mr. Payette stated that pond areas were included in tho to size calculations in some cases, but excluded where the ponds were within HOA designated outlots, Mr. Forbord stated that bigger is not always better as, to lot size and that this PUD's lot sizes should not be compared to a conventional plat, Roll Call Vote. 3 Ayes. Commissioners Tierney, Marofsky, Stulberg and Chairman Plufka, Nay. MOTION failed. MOTTON TO AMEND VOTE - MOTION FAILED MOTION to amend by Cmimissioner Stulberg, seconded by MOTION TO AMEND Commissioner Marofsky to recommend that the Final Plat for this petition come back to the Planning Commission, and that those present who spoke at the Public Hearing be notified of the meeting. Roll Call Vote. 'i' Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED MOTION to amend by Commissioner Pierce, seconded by MOTION TO 41END Commissioner Wire to add a condition stating that the medians Planning C'Jlwnission Ziinutes March 14, 1990 Page be retained on the design for the entrance from County Road 24 only. Roll Call Vote. 5 Aves. Commissioners Marofsky and Stulberg, VOTE - MOTION CARRIED Nay. MOTION Carried,.' Roll Call Vote on Main Motion as twice amended. 4 kyes VOTE - MOTION CARRIED Commissioners Wire, Pierce and Zylla, Nay. MOTION carried on a 4-3 vote, Commissioner W't-re stated that his concern was that Lots 9-14, Block 6 (adjoining Amber Woods) were too small. Commissioner Pierce stated that he concurred with Commissioner Wire. Chairman Plufka called for a recess at 9.-45 p.m. Chairman Plufka reconvened the meeting at 9:50 P.M. Chairman "Plufka intro -laced the request of Holiday Station HOLIDAY STATION STORES, Stores, Inc. for an Amended Conditional Use Pdrnit to allow for INC. .90013) a 24-hour operation to replace the hours of operation approved at 7 am. to 11 p.m., 7 days a week for property located at 10100 County Road 9. is Chairman Plufka waived the review of the February 28, 1990 Staff Report, Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Jerry Jensen representing Holiday Station Stores, Inc. Mr. Jensen stated that ie was in agreement with the February 28, 1990 Staff Report, Chairman Plufka opened the Public Rea -ring. There was no one present to speak on the issue. Chairman Plufka closed the Public Hearin'q. MOTION by Commissioner Tierney, seconded by Commissioner Zylla MOTDON Tu APPROVE to recommend approval of the request by Holiday Station Stores, Inc. for, an Amended Conditional Use Permit to allow for a 24- hour operation 7 days a week for property located at 10100 County Road 9. MOTION to amend by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Chairman MOTION TO AMEND Plufka to add a condition stating that no tanker refueling operations be allowed between the hours of 11 pm., and 7 a.m. Mr. Jensen stated that the station needs the flexibilty for refueling during the late night hours,. He stated there is very little traffic at this time and it is a good time for this operation, to take place. Planning Commission Minutes March 14, 1990 Page 40 Roll Call Vote. 2 Ayes. Commissioners Pierce, Zylla, Tierney, VOTE - MOTION' FAILED Marofsky and Stulberg, Nay. MOTION failed on a 2-5 vote. IMOTIONtoamendbyCommissionerWire, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO AMEND Pierce to add a condition stating that no pump speakers would be used during the hours of 11 p.m,, to 7 a.m. Mr. Jensen stated that communications need to be maintained at all times between the pump area and the inside manager by State Law. Commissioner Zylla stated tha' this is a Conditional Use Permit which will be reviewed annually and if there are any problems, conditions will be reviewed at that time. Roll Call Vote. I Aye. Commissioners Pierce, Zylla, Tierney, VOTE - MOTION FAILED Marofsky, Stulberg and Chairman Plufka, Nay. MOTION failed on a 1-6 vote. Roll Call Vote do Main Motion. 6 Ayes. Commissioner Wire, VOTE - MOTION CARRIED Nay. Motion carried on a 6-1 vote, Commissioner Wire stated that he voted against the motion because he felt the situations or conditions had not changed since the original permit was approved. Chairman Plufka introduced the request of Ryan Construction of RYAN CONSTRUCTION OF Minnesota, Inc. for a MPUD Final Plan/olat and Waiver of the MINNESOTA (89014) Subdivision Code for property located at the northeast corner of County Road 9 and 1-494. 4 Commissioner Mw,ofsky stepped down from the discussion of this item, Chairman Plufka waived the review of the March 7, 1990 Staff Report. Chairman Plufka introduced Mr, William McHale representing the petitioner. Mr. McHale stated that the petitioners were in agreement with the March 7, 1990 Staff Report. MOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner Stulberg, MOTION TO APPROVE to recommend approval of the request of Ryan Construction of Minnesota, Inc. for a MPUD Final Plan/Plat and Waiver of the Subdivision Code for property located at the northeast quadrant of County Road 9 and 1-494 subject to all conditions listed in the staff report of March 7, 1990. Vote. 6 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED Coo-dinator Dillerud gave the Commission an overview of the status of the Comprehensive Plan. Planning Commission Minutes March 14, 1990 Page 41 Coordinator Dillerud reviewed the upcoming March 28, 1990 Public Hearing with the Park and Recreation Commission on the Warks and Trails Element of the Comprehensive Plan. Coordinator Dillerud said he would try to send the information for the Parks Public Hearing out early so that if Commissioners had any questions they could contact Eric Blank, Director of Park and Recreation. Chairman Plufka suggested that the Commission begin their meetings at 7:00 p.m. starting in April. The Commission agreed unanimously to try the 700 p.m, meeting starting time beginning in April. The Commissioners asked that: they be notified of when any meetings concerning the alignment of County Road 9 west of Vicksburg lane to County Road 24 were to be held. They also expressed a desire far input on this subject. Meeting adjourned at 10„15 p.m.