HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 01-24-1990CITY OF PLYMOUTH
PLANNING CONHMISSION MINUTES
JANUARY 24, 1990
The Regular Meeting of the City of Plymouth Planning
Commission was called to order at 7:30 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT.- Chairman Richard Plufka, Commissioners
John Wire, Hal Pierce, Dennis Zylla, JOY
Tierney, Larry Marofsky, and Michael
Stulberg.
MEMBERS ABSENTk- None.
STAFF PRESENT. Coordinator Charles Dillerud. city
Engineer Dan Faulkner, and Sr.
Clerk/Typist Denise Lanthier.
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MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner MOTION T(j APPROVE
Zylla, to ;.pprove the Minutes for the January 10, 1990,
Pi anning Commission Meeting, subject to tne changes noted by
staff in a memorandum dated January 1.9F, 1990, which consist
of the following:
On Page 2, paragraph 2, the acres stated in the first
sentence should be 30, not CO,
On Pag-- 2, paragraph 12, the word "Pot" should be inserted
after the word "does".
Vote. 7 Ayes. MOTION carried.
Chairman Plufka introduced the request of the City of
Plytwouth for a Site Plan and Variance to construct a new
Fire Station at the location of the existing Fire Station
No, I located at 13?05 County Road 6.
Coordinator Dillerud gave an overview of the January 16,
1990, staff report.
Coviissioner Zylla asked Fire Chief Robinson what the size
is of the, existing fire station.
Fire Chief Robinson responded that the existing Pira station
is 4,,000 square feet and the proposed fire station is 8,000
square feet.
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
CITY OF PLYMOUTH (89114)
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Commissioner Zylla asked Fire Chief Robinson if the City was
improving on a nonconforming situation.
fire Chief Robinson responded that the existing fire station
is it conformance except for the south side where there is
an encroachment of the structure into the street setback.
Commissioner Marofsky asked Fire Chief Robinson if ith
Avenue South has been vacated, and if it has, does it sht)w
it on the Site Plan as a part of the site.
Fire Chief Robinson responded affirmatively, and stated that
there was no other land availaHe to build another fire
station in this area. He further stated that Trossen Wright
Architects have done an excellent job fitting the proposed
fire station into the existing fire station parcel.
Commissioner Marofsky asked why the staff report of January
16 did not address the 6 deferred parking spaces as statr-d
in a letter from Trossen Wright Architects.
Coordinator Dillerud responded that, physically, more spaces
could be added, but that the 6 -space deficiency is better
treated as a variance since any additional spaces would be
in setback areas.
Mr. Mike Trossen of Trossen Wright Architects stated that
every fire fighter will have a parking space.
Commissioner Pierce asked staff how they came up with the
figures for parking.
Coordinator Dillerud responded that there is one stall for
each 350 square feet of floor area, which is the same as
Fire St-ition No. 3.
Chairman Plufka asked for public input to this request.
Rod Dallin of 12400 50th Avenue North asked what the time
frame was be, re the new -fire station would be bullt.
Fire Chief Robinson responded that it would be 6-8 months
befotse Fire Station No. I will be in operation.
MOTION by Dimissioner Zylla, seconded by Cowmission Pierce, IMITIONTO APP:1 VE
to recommend approval of the request by the City of Plymouth
for a Site Plan and Variances to construct a new fire
station at the location of the existing Fire Station No. I
located at 13205 County Road 6, subject to the conditions
set forth in the staff report of January 16, 1990, including
the Variances.
0 Roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRI!.
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Chairman Plufka introduced the request by Medicine Lake MEDICINE LAKE L1jTHFRXj
Lutheran Church for a Rezoning, Site Plan, Conditional Use CHURCH (89086)
Permits, and Variance -%'Io construct a place of worship anu
day school located at the southwest corner of Zachary Lane
and Old Rockford Road.
Coordinator Dillerud gave an overview of the January 16,.
1990, staff report.
Chairman Plufka stated to the public that those who wish to
speak should speak to the amendments made by Medicine Lake
Lutherai, Church sin we their deferral, and refrain from
repeating comments made at the last Planning Commission
Meeting.
Coordinator Dillerud showed a color/texture sample of the
proposed fence to the Commissioners.
Commissioner Marofsky asked staff how high the proposed
fence would be.
Coordinator Dillerud responded 8 feet plus the berm height.
Chairman Plufka introduced John Rieschl, representing the
petitioner.
Mr. Rieschl stated that he is the Chairman of Medicine Lake
Lutheran Church. He stated that Medicine Lake Lutheran
Church is currently renting property in St. Louis Park and
that they do not own it.
Mr. Rieschl addressed two concerns bro!.ght up at the last
Planning Co"pissloo Meeting. The firs -t- issue was the
playground location. Mr. Rieschl stated that the recason
they plan to locate the playground at the northwest corner
of the site is, mainly due to safety reasons. lie stated that
they wanted it behind the school off of, Zachary Lane where
the teachers would more easily have control of the children.
The second issue was the screening on the south end of the
site. Mr. Rieschl s' --d that they have taken out about 25-
30 trees due to Dutcn Elm Disease. He stated that their
plans are to clean out the dead trees and replace chem with
more new trees.
Chairman Plufka introduced Mark Baker of 4600 Forestview
Lane.
Mr. Baker stated he was it favor of the proposed plan. He
stated he felt the church would be a positive influence on
the neighborhood.
Chairman Plufka introduced Lannie Beltrand of 4120 Balsam
Lane North.
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Ms. Beltrand stated that she was concerned about the
drainage ditch located in her back yard; that the screening
from the parking lot was inadequate; and, that the
landscaping would be insufficient. Ms. Beltrand then asked
if there would be a guarantee that the landscaping will be
completed as, proposed.
Commissioner Marofsky explained that the City holds a bond
for all developers to assure completion of landscaping, and
that if they do not do the landscaping as required, the City
will take from that bond money to complete the work for
them.
Ms. Beltrand asked what was going to be done wits the
drainage ditch.
City Engineer Faulkner explained that a new culvert will be
put in under Old Rockford Road, and the drainage will be
diverted back to the east to the Zachary Lane ditch.
Ms. Beltrand stated she was also concerned about her
property value decreasing, and asked if the City can
restrict the church from, any other uses besides what is
proposed,
Coordin,tor Dillerud explained that all other uses besides
142L what is proposed will require a Conditional Use Permit.
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Chairman Plufka introduced Veryl Chihak of 4130 Balsam Lane
North.
Mr. Chihak did not comment.
Chairman Plufka introduced Linda Cramer of 11210 42nd Avenue
North.
Ms. Cramer submitted a petition to t't,--- Commission opposing
the proposed plan, and Chairman Plufka noted for the record
that a petition was received by the Commission..
Ms. Cramer stated she was in opposition to the proposed
plan, and expressed her concern about an increase in
traffic; the size of the structure is incompatible with the,
neighborhood; and, the property value and market value of
her dome will decrease.
Chairman Plufka introduced Duane Cramer of 11210 42nd Avenue
North.
Mr. Cramer stated that he was in opposition to the proposed
plan. He stated he had spoken with four Prominent realtQrs,
and they have all given their opinion that his pyoperty
value will decrease significantly. He pointed out that the
residents across Balsam, Lane will also be visually impacted
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by the proposed structure due to the offset plI,V---ment of
their homes.
Chairman Plufka asked Mr. Cramer if he had any statistical
proof that his home will! lleprecia,. in value.
Mr. Cramer stated that he did not have any written facts.
Chairman l 'Iuflka introduced Rod Dal lin of 12400 50th Avenue
North.
Mr. Dallin stated he was in favor of the proposed plan, and
he would like to see the project expedited.
U'airman Plufka introduced Joan Denis of 5105 Norwood.
Mss Denis stated she was, in, favor of the proposed plan, and
supports Medicine Lake Lutheran Church. She stated she
wou% also like to see the project expedited.
Chairmian Plufka introduced Eugene Enderlein of 4600 Hemlock
Lane,
Mr. Enderlein did not comment.
Chairman Plufka introduced Bruce Flessner of 4115 Balsam
Lane.
Mr. Flessner did riot comment.
Chairman Plufka introduced Melanie Flessner of 4115 Balsam
Lane.
Ms. Flussner did not comment.
Chairman Plufka. introduced Paul Jasper of 11140 40th Avenue
North.
Mr. Jasper expressed his concern about the landscaping and
lighting. R, asked what kind of lighting is beir) proposed.
Coordinator Dillerud responded that per City practice, no
light should leave the site in excess of the .5 -foot candle
contour.,
iNlr. Rieschl stated that the low profile lights will remain
on until 10 p.m. or 11 p.m. for safety reasons.
Chairman Plufka introduced Jo, Ann Krafft of 4345 Oakview
Lane.
Ms. Kraft stated that she was in fay or of the proposed plan
and would also 'like to see it expedited.
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Chalrv..an Plufka introduced Len Riley of 11340 47th Avenue
W, North
Mr. Riley did not comment.
Chairman Plufka introduced John Schlenk of 6640 Brunswick
Avenue North.
Mr. Schlenk did not comment.
Chairman Plufka introduced Carol tleh-man of 11625 40th
Avenue North.
Ms. llehrmaq did not comment.
Chairman Plufka introduced Gerald Woessner of 4200
Cottonwocd Lane North.
Mr. Woessner stated he was in opposition to the proposed
plan. He stated he felt his property value would decrease.
Mr. Woessner stated that the screening on the west side is
inadequate and that there is 115 fee- of no screeninr on the
southwest corner. He stated tliat the proposed berm would
allow run, -off water onto the resicents' properties. He
added that the staggered fence would not provide security to
the site or neighboring properties. Ir. Woessner summarized
that the proposed plan and specVic structure is not
compatible with the neighborhood.
Chairman Plufka introduced Veryl Chihak of 4130 Balsam Lane
North.
Mr. Chihak stated he was in favor of the proposed plan., He
stated he had talked with six prominent realtors, and five
of them gave their opinion that the proposed plan would not
decrease the value of his home. He stated that the proposed
school only goes from grade K to grade 8; therefore, no wild
high school students will disrupt the neighborhood. He
further stated that there are other accesses to the
residents' homes, and added that no matter what is built,
their homes will always be at a higher elevation, looking
down.
Chairman Plufka introduced Bruce Flessner of 4115 Balsam
Lane.
Mr. Flessner stated he was in opposition to the proposed
plan. lie stated it was too large a project 'to out on such a
small parcel of land.
Chairman Plufka introduced Melanie Flessner of 4115 Balsam
0 Lane.
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Ms. Messner stated she agreed with her husband's
statements, and aided that they will: be visually ,impacted by
this proposal.
Chairman Plufka introduced Len Riley of 11340. 470 Avenue
North,
Mr. Riley did not comment.
Chairman Plufka introduced John Schlenk of 6640 Brunswick
Avenue- North.
Mr. Schlenk did: not comment.
Chairman Plufka introduced Carol Wehrman of 1162,5 40th
Avenue 11orth.
Ms. Wehrm.an did not comment.
Mr. Cvi.ck, the architect, and Mr. Riesehl presented pictures
to the Commission of their selective cutting of trees on the
ou end; of tine property,
Chairman Plufka introduced Beverly Enderlein, the
administrator of the proposed day school
Ms.. hnderlela stat J that their endeavor is to be good
neighbors. She set -ted that the boys and girls and their
families have gado many sacrifices to get anis project
underway, She stated Medicine Lake Lutheran: Church has gone
to great lengths to have: adequate landscaping. She further
stated that the proposed plan does not allow for growth,
which Pledicine Lake Lutheran Church realizes.. Since there
will only be 9 classrooms, Ms. Enderlein stated there will
minimal noise on the playground.
Chairman Plufka introduced Dennis Holmquist of 1.2648 73rd
Avenue north.
Mr. Holmquist stated he is a member of Medicine Lake
Lutheran Church, and he is in favor of the proposed plan..
Chairman Plufka introduced Stan Nathanson of 116UC 41st
Avenue Horth.
Mr. Nathanson stated he is the president of the Mission
Hills Homeowners Association, and he is in opposition to the
proposed plan. He suggested the association continue o
woxi, with the church uptil Oey reach agreement on the plan.
Commissioner Marofsky esked lir.. Rieschl vvhy they have not
changed the roof slope on their Site Plan as suggested at
the last Pl&nninr Commission Meeting.
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January 2, 1990
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Mr. Rieschl stated tti'aat they have 'xooked into other options,
Is but their Building Committee has determined that the sharply
angled roof ;iould be in character with the neighborhood. He
further ,tzited that turning the building, as -,u tested at
the last Planning Commission. Meeting, would pro.tde greater
visual impact for the residents to the west than it does as
now proposed
Commissioner Marofsky asked staff if there was any kind of
provision for maintenance of the fence, trees, and berm
Coordinator Dillerud responded that there is no provision
beyond perservation of the the actual screening to comply
with the Zoning Ordinance..
Commissioner Marofsky stated his concern that the fence,.
trees, and berm could become an eyesore if not maintained.
Coordinator Dillerul responded that it wouldbe possible to
require continued maintenance of these items as a condition
of the Conditional Use Permit, but that it would be very
difficult to administer.
MOTION, by Commissioner Zylla, seconded by Chairman Plufka,
to recommend approval of the request by Medicine Lake
Lutheran Church for a Rezoning, Site Pian, Conditional Use
Permits, and Variance ,to construct a place of worship and
day school located at the southwest corner of Zachary Lane
and Old Rockford Road, subject to the conditions set forth
in the staff report of January 16, 1990.
MOTION by Cor;missioner Zylla, seconded by Chairman Pluftka to
amend the main motion by adding a condition that the
petitioner must conform with the Zoning Ordinance as to
screening at the south side of the proposed site.
Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes. Commissioner Wire abstained.
MOTION' carried.
MOTION, by Commissioner Zylla, seconded by Commissioner
Marofsky, to amend the vain motion by adding a condition
that limits the day school enrollment to 175 students,
grades K - 8..
Chairman Plufka stated that he was concerned that the
Planning Commission would be stepping into State Law if they
approved such an amendment, He stated that he does: not see
the necessity of such a limitat-*on.
Commissioner Tierney asked, the petitioner what would be the
maximum number of students proposed.
Ms. Enderlein responded that Medicine Lake Lutheran CbUrch
has a resolution stating that they shall not exceed 225
MOTION TO APPROVE
MOTION. TO AMEND
VOTE - MOTION. CARRIED
MOTION TO AMEND
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students for enrollment.. She further stated that they
presently have 198 students enrolled.
Roll Call Vote. I Aye. Commissioners Pierce Tierney,
Marofsky, Stulberg, and Chairman Plufka Nay. ;,jmmissioner
Wire abstained, MOTION failed.
MOTION by Commissioner Zylla seconded ky Chairman Plufka,
to amend the main motion by adding a condition that limits
the day school enrollment 'to 225 studen-1--,, grades K - 8.
Roll Call Vote. 4 Ayes. Commissioner Stulberg and Chairman
Plufka Nay. Commissioner Wire abstained, MOTION carried.
Commissioner Stulberg statea he will vote in opposition to
the proposed plan. because lie felt the petitioner has not
fulfilled the requirements of Standard Nu. 3 of the
Conditional Use Permit standards because of the massive roof
height and the poor landscau!` plan.
Commissioner Zylla expressed his concern with the roof
structure., He stated it serves n:) purpose except for form,
and that the roof line should be broken and lowered.
Commissioner Marofsky stated he was in agreement with
Commissioner Zylla, and will therefore vote in opposition to
the proposed plan.
Roll Call Vote on main motion. 3 Ayes Commissioners
Pierce, Marofsky, and Stulberg Nay. Commissioner Wire
abstained. MOTION failed.
Cheirman Plvfka stated that he felt the proposal noes not
violate the Zoning Ordinance,...and he does not di --agree with
itsuse.
01*11aissioner Marofsky stated that his vote was not against
the use, but he felt the site was inappropriate for the
building structure.
Commissioner Pierce stated he, was in agreement with
Commissioner Marofsky, and stated he felt there was too much
roff mass.
Chairman Plufka called a 5 minute recess at 9:55 p.m.,
Chairman Plufka resumed the meeting at 10:00 p.m.
Chairman Plufka introduced the request by John DeVries for a
Lot Division/Lot Consolidation and Variance for Wild Wings
Addition located at 4925 Valley Forge Lane,
Chai;-man 1'lufka waived the- overview of the January 18, 1990,
staff memorandum.
VOTE - MOTION FAILED
MOTION TO AMEND
VOTE - MOTION C tRRIED
VOTE - MAIN MOTION
FAILED
JOHN DEVRIES/WILD WINGS
ADDITION (89101)
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Coordinator Dillerud stated treat the City Council has
already approved the street vacation o" 490 Avenue North*
MOTION by Oommiss-ones Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner
Wire, to recommend ap Yal of the request by Bohn DeVries
for a Lot Division/Lot `'onsolidation and Variance for Wild
Wings Addition located at 4925 Valley Forge Lane, subject to
the conditions set forth in the staff report of December 5
1989.
Vote. All Ayes. MOTION carried.
Commissioner Tierney discussed with the Planning Commission
the staff menorandum that was presented with the agenda
which uescribes the sign issue related to Miles Homes; on
Nathan !;ane. She noted that Mmes. Homes had requested a
second nameplate sign due to the substantial distance
between their "main frontage" on Highway .169 and their
a-tual entrance on Nathan Lane. It was the consensus of the
Planning Commission that no basis existed: to consder
wendment to the Zoning Ordinance to accommodate a second
nameplate sign for %ices with multiple street frontages.
Chairman Plufka, appointed Commissioners. Tierney, Stulberg,
Plufka, and Dire to the Task Force Study Committee on the
Official Controls Element of the Comprehensive Plan.
Commissioner Wire was appointed Chairman of the Committee.
Community Development Director Tremere advised the
Cam `.>4ion that the City Council had formed a Task Force to
study the issue of oi,+door storage at retail locations,
including gasoline service stations. Commissioner Marofsky
had been appointed by the Mayor as Chairman of that
Committee,. Commissioner Pierce was appointed, and
Commissioner Zylla, as requested, wes the alternate.
Commissioner Zylla indicated that due to business
commitments, he would be unable to participate in meetings
of the Official Controls Committee, but that he would desire
that his concerns with regard to removing any penalty for a
developer to down guide his town p,.opQ,ty, and to what he
considers to be excessive Fire Code requirements by ;..a.°*ity
of Plymouth be coi.yidered
Chairman Plufka adjourned the meeting at 11 p.m.
MOTION TO APPROVE
VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
OTHER BUSINESS