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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 01-10-1990El, 11 CITY OF PLYMOUTH PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES JANUARY 10, 1990 The Regular Meeting of the City of Plymouth Planning Commission was called to order at 7.,30 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Richard Plufka, Commissioners Larry Marofsky (arrived at 7:45 p.m.), Michael Stulberg, John Wire (arrived at 7.*.35 p.m.), Dennis Zylla, Joy Tierney and Hal Pierce. MCINIBERS ABSENTZ None STAFF PRESENT.- Community Development Coordinator Charles Dillerud, Community Development Director Blair Tremere, City Engineer Dan Faulkner and Planning Secretary Jackie Watson. MOTION by Commissioner Zylla, seconded by Commissioner Tierney MOTION TO APPROVE to approve the minutes of December 27, 1989, VOTE. 4 Ayes, Commissioner Stulberg abstained. Chairman Pl-itki, introduced the request of Builders Development, BUILDERS DEVELOPMENT, Inc. and James Development Company for a Sketch Plan for the INk'- 1,ND JAMES proposed development of land not yet served by public sewers DEVELOPMENT CO. (89110) located west of County Road 101, approximately 1/4 mile north of County Road 24. Coordinator Dillerud gave a review, of the December 29, 1989 staff report. Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. Rick Sathre representing the petitioners. Mr. Satl".ire introduced Mr,, Rick Murray, President of Builders Development, Inc. and Mr. Jim Ostenson of James Development Co. Mr. Sathre showed a graphic depicting the location of the property; the location of the wetlands on the property; and, the lay of the land. 14r. Sathre stated that 34th Avenue North to Highway 101 is depicted as i minor- collector on the City Thoroughfare Plan, and the developer's plan to curve this road as much as possible to slow down traffic. U Planning Conaissioq Minutes January 10, 1990 Page :21 she plan shows a dead end street stub to the property, on the north and a street on the South to connect to Queensland Lane. Mr. Sathre, stated that the Sketch Plan request IS for a standard R -1A subdivision for single family homes totalling 47 Pots an 30 acres of land. Mr. Sathre stated that the desire of the developers is the maintain the roll of the land. Mr. Sathre stated. that the wetlands tare protected by tht-, Federal government. He stated that they would lie to have one road cross a wetland; eliminate the two small wetlands in the southeast and southwest coruers. and create a new wetland to compensate for the other wetlands to be filled. Mr. Sathre stated that the County wants additional right-of-way related to Highway 101, but the developer believes the requirements to be excessive. Commissioner Tierney asked Mr. Sathre if there would be an access trail for children to the Greenwood School. Mr. Sathre stated that no plan had been made 'for such access by dedicated right-of-way. Commissioner Tierney asked if the existing wetlands contained much water. Mr. Sathre responded that the central wetland contained very little water and was about 12,000 square feet in size. He stated that the wetland in the southeast corner was dry. Mr. Sathre stated that the City Park and Trails Plan showed no facilities planned for this site. Commissioner Marofsky asked if the cul-de-sac into the site to the north would exceed 500 feet;.. Mr. Sathre stated that the cul-de-sac would be a little longer than .900 feet. Commissioner Mayofsky Vow the decd cation of property to the County along County Road 101 would affect the proposed development. Mr. Sathre stated that the design does not allow for the extra land needed, by the County and that the developer plans to create a berm to conceal the roadway. Commissioner Marofsky asked if the west end of 34th Avenue North would be constricted down gradually from the V foot street width in Amber Woods to the 36 foot width recommended by the City Engineer for this site. City Engineer Faulkner stated that 34th Avenue would be gradually constricted. Planning Commission Minutes January 10, 1990 Page 3 AN& Commissioner Zylla asked what impact the development we-tld have on the homesteid presently on the property. Mr. Sathre stated that the plan is to remove the homestead structure. Chairman Plufka opened the Public Informational Me,,ting. Cha I rnian Plufka introduced Mr. Nel Brettingin of 3310 Queensland Lane North, Mr. Brettinjen stated that he was concerned t1hat more water would run off onto his property in the southeast corner if Lot 4 were built up. Be stated that the southeast and the center wetland 6 contain water and the center wetland also attracts ducks. Mr. Sathre stated that he was aware that the drainage in the southeast corner was not good and that the drainage problem would be corrected before this area is filled. Chairman PlOka, introduced Mr. Bill Latour of 3525 County Road 101. Mr. Latour stated that he is the owner of the property on the north. Be asked if the City will need to purchase easements on the north so that a sewer can be installed. y Engineer Dan Faulkner stated that a gravity line needs to installed and that the City may have to purchase the easements ,eeded. Mr. Latour asked the meaning of dotted lin:-,s on the northwest corner of the site map. Ciij Engineer Feulkner -stated that this area in the northwest is a storm water holding area and regulated by tiie Corp of Engineers, as wetland. Chairman Plufka questioned whether there would be a need for more space in the northwest corner for storm water itoldivq. Coordinator Dillsrud stated that the area needeci for storm water holding would not be final until the grading plan was completed. Mr. Latour stated that he didn't want the northwest cornea defined as wetland because then it could not be developed. Mr. Latour stated that the two cul-de-sacs of the proposed plan should connect to the property on the north. He stattc, that there wl-, also a need for a walkway for children to reach the sch,,--. . Planning Commission Minutes January 10, 1990 Page 4 A* Chairman Plufka introduced Ms. Donna Vanderham of 18120 33rd Avenue North. Ms. Vanderham asked what tike depth of the lot in the southwest corner would be, what the average cost of the proposed single family homes would be, and whether the tree line would be preserved. Chairman Plufka stated that the developers are not required to disclose the cost of the proposed homes. Mr. Rick Murray of Builders Development Company stated that the average cost of the homes would be between $175,000 - $180,000. He said that they would preserve as many trees as possible. Chairman Plufka stated that the depth of the lot would be at least 1*1-0 feet as required by the Zoning Ordinance unless a variance taus applied for. Chairman Plufka introduced Robert Nariniemi of 18010 33rd Avenue North. Robert stated that he \Naqted the central pond preserved as it is necessary for drainage and also attracts wildlife. fie said he felt the pond snould be a park area and a trail was also necessary in this area to connect to the Hennepin County Trail System, and to provide a walkway for children to the school. Chairman Plufka introduced Ms. Debra Kirchgessner of 3525 Urbandale Lane. Ms. Kirchgessner stated that her concern was the stagnant water in tte area around Amber Woo& resulting from improper drainage in the area. City Engineer Faulkner stated that once the storm sewer is installed the drainage problems will be reduced. Commissioner Marofsky stated that a storm water sewer plan will not result in draining all the water because some water is allowed to stand according to design. Chairman Plufka closed the Pu:Iic informational Meeting. Commissioner Tierney asked if the applicant had attempted to coordinate planning with Mr. Latour. Mr. Miurray responded negatively. Commissioner Wire asked if the applicants had talked with the Corps of Engineers regarding wetlands. Mr. Murray responded that they had. PliAnning Commission Minutes Jaa 10, 1990 age MOTION by, Cowissioner Stulberg, seconded by Contmissiot,,.-w- Wire tio, approve the Sketch Plan for Builders Development, "`no, and James Development Company for the proposed development of land not yc'.. served by public sewers located west of County Road 101, approximately 1/4, mile north of County Road 24, subject to the conditions listed in the December 29, 1989 staff report. MOTION TO APPROVE MOTION to amend by Comaiissioner Stulberg, seconded by MOTION TO AMEND Commissioner Marofsky to add a directional comment to the conditions listed in the staff report that the Parks and Recreation Department review the proposed development for possible trail access to f-reenwood School. Roll C411 Vote. 7 Ayes. MOTION carried. MOTION to amend by Co)%missioner Marofsky, secoiid(,d by C,)=issioner Wire to move perpendicular r(,adway access to the Latour property +o within I lot of the property on the north, to shorten the length of the cul-de-sac. Commissioner Zylla stated that it was too early in the development process for hint to support this -,notion. Commissioner Marofsky stated that his intent in proposing the amendment fo- moving the street ac:ess closer to the north At% property ias to snake the City Council aware of a potential gr problem. Roll Call Vote cn Motion to Amend. 4 Ayes, Commissioners Zylla, Stulberg, and Chairman Plufka, Nay. MOTION carried on a vote of 4-3. Roll Call Vote on Main Motion as twice amended. 7 Aye MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTIOR CARRIED MOTION TO AMEND VOTE - MOTION CARRIED VOTE - MOTION CARRIED Chairman Plufka introduced the request of Henriepin County fot, a HENN'EPIN COUNTY (89111) Coni-.ional Use Permit Amendment to allad 30 trucks per day and Saturday operations for the temporary garbage truck routing station locattd on property at 2455 Fernbrook Lane. Chairman Plufka waived the review of the December 29, 1989 staff Moort. Chairman Plufka introduced Mr. David Winter representing the petitioner. Commissioner Wire asked if the weight of the trucks would cause undo stress on the road. City Engineer Faulkner stated that the roadway was designed for 9 ton trucks, and that 0a County trucks were lighter than than, Planning Comnission thInnutes Jana 11, 1990 Page 6 Commissioner Pierce asked Mr. Winter if the Cozinty would be back again, in 6' months asking for an increase in the number of trips allowed. Mr. Iii: ter stated that the reason the County was asking for the amendment was that the original daiss of operation are Iovday through Friday and that the Coban -Ly like to operate the truck routing station on Saturday for coiinercial waste trucks. He said that curreatly the truck average is 12 trucks per day but that some days the count is up to 19 trucks and the County would like to increase the number allowed so as to not exceed the permit. Commissioner Stulberg asked Mr,, Winter to explain huw the system is working and if the County is, going to ask for an increase in the nuqib r of trucks allowed again. Mr. Whiter stated that trucks are allowed to go to the station of their choice, and that not many trucks are going to the Mound s,-,ation because the burn plant is locatedin downtown Minneapalis, and the drivers don't want to travel from Mound to duointown Minneapolis. He said he could not project whether the County would ask for an increase in the number of trucks again.. Chairman Plufka stated that Plymouth does nct want to become the "station of choice's by the truck drivers. Commissioner Tierney asked Mr. Winter why the County did not hire a dispatcher to evenly distribute the trucks to the differ-nt locations by radio. Mr. Winter statedthat the County decided against hiring a dispatcher to route the trucks. nnivissioner Wire stated that increasing the number of trucks owed to 30 per day and allowing for Saturday operations jld be 1.8 times -the current capacity of the truck routing station In Plymouth. He said he felt the current capacity was adequate. Commissioner Pierce asked Mr. Winter to explain where the other truck routina stations were and 'their current count as to the number of tricks using then, daily. Mr. Winter told the Commission where the other sites were located and the average number of .-cks visiting each Location. He stated that Oe count =mouth is higher than tKe other stations. Commissioner Marofsky asked how the Coqtity communicated with the trucks if they wanted them, to go to another stattgn because one was, over its limit for the day. Planning Commission Minutes January 10, 1990 page 7 40 Mr,, Winter stated that the County cannot communicate with the trucks. Commissioner Wire asked if there were trucks operating at klight. Mr. Winter said most trucks operate during the 0y. Commissioner Stulberg asked how many other stations operate on Saturday. Mr. hinter aced that Bloomington and Minneapolis operate on Saturday,. and this is mostly 'or haulers, of commercial waste. Chairman Plufka opened the Public Hearing, There was no one present to speak on the -issue. Chairman Plufka clo--ed the, Public Tearing. MOTION by Commissioner Stalberg, seconded by Commissioner Wire MOTION TO DENY to deny the Amendment of the Conditional Use Permit for Hennepin County to operate the truck routing station located at 2455 Fernbrook Lane cn Saturday and to increase tha number f daily triucks to 30. Roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED Chairman Plqfka introduced the proposed Amendment to the ZoninQ ZONING ORDINANCE AMFIND- Ordinance relative to Business District Standards for Shopping HENT-SHOPPINYG CENTERS Centers. Commissioner Wire stated that he wanted the word "geobase" as used in Item 2 of the staff report explained. Director Tremere explained tie meaning of the word as it was used in this context. Director Tremere Mated that the use of the term is broad so as to not constrict the area. 3e said the term --, derived from the Land Use Guide Plan and took the play 11market, area." Commissiono, Aarofsky stated tnat the Commission shoal consider striking tlie word "Peobase" and inserting the words ("Walking or Driving") after' the word "neighborhoods" in Section 8, Subdivision A. 2. b,, Commissioner Wire disc ssed the sizes allowed in the CR -1 and CR -2 shopping Ce.-fters, Director Tremere stated that the changes being addressed by the amendment were, changes that were adopted by the Commission and City Council in the Comprehensive. Plan. No rezoning or change is the allowable uses is contempl lted by this proposal. M Planning Commission Minutes January 10, 1,990 Page 8 ommissioner Wire stated that he would like to see this amendment deferred until there was more study by the Commissioners. Chairman, Plufka opened. the Public Hearing. There was no ont', Wire, Ray. MOTION carried. present to speak on the issue. Chairman Plufka introduced the proposal to an.,nd the R-2 ZONING ORDINANCE Chairman Pljfka closed the Public Hearing. AMENDMENT -R-2 DISTRICT setback of accessory structures. MOTION by Chairman Plufka, secon6ed, by Commissioner Stulberg to MOTION TO APPROVE recommend approval of the Ordinance amendment regarding Chairman Plufka closed the Public Hearing. shopping center standards and to remove the word "qeobasell from MOTION TO APPROVE Section 8, Subdivision A, 2. b. and to add "25%- or" before the specifications related to the side yard setback of accessory square feet allowed and ""whichever i, less" after the square feet in both Item 5aand b. under B-2 of Sectiop 8, Chairman Plufka introduced the Official Controls Element of the Subdivision E. Comprehensive Plan. ELEMENT Or THE COMPRE- MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO rxMEND Tierney to amend the Main Motion and delete the word residential" in Section 8, Subdivision A. 2.b, adding the words "(Wlallking or Driving)" after the word "neighborhoods". Roll Call Vote on Motion to Amend. 7 Ayes.- MOTION cark,ied. VOTE - MUDIN TO AMEND CARRIED Roll Call Vote on Main Motion as amended. 6 Ayes, Commissioner VOTE - MOTION CARRIED Wire, Ray. MOTION carried. Chairman Plufka introduced the proposal to an.,nd the R-2 ZONING ORDINANCE section of the Zoning Ordinance related to the side yard AMENDMENT -R-2 DISTRICT setback of accessory structures. Chairman Plufka opened the Public Hearing. There was no one present to speak on the issue. Chairman Plufka closed the Public Hearing. MOTION by Chairman Plufka, seconded by Commissioner 4 -ire to MOTION TO APPROVE recommend approval of the Zoning Ordinance Amendment to the specifications related to the side yard setback of accessory structures in the R-2 Zoning District from 20 feet to 10 feet. Roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED Chairman Plufka introduced the Official Controls Element of the OFFICIAL CONTROLS Comprehensive Plan. ELEMENT Or THE COMPRE- HENSIVE PLAN Director Tremere reviewed the January 5, 1990 Staff Memorandum. Charman Plufka stated that the Commission needed time to review the issue of Official Controls, including the memorant"Um to the Commission by Commissioper Zy1la regarding minimum lot area in PUD's. Planning Cogrzission Minutes January 10, 1900 Page q Chairman Plufka steted that .,e would appoint Planning Commission members to a Task Force fo. study for the Official Controlr. Element of the Comprehensive Plan. Commissioner Tierney reported that the Board of Zoning OTHER BUSINESS Adjustments had requested review by the Planning Commission of a portion of the sign section of the. Zoning, Ordinance related to a reccrat variance appl i cati oo b, Miles domes . :she requested staff provide the Planning Cummisslori a .,written summary of the issue in question. Director Tremere handed out the 1390 calendar which will be discussed at the next Planning Commissicn meeting. Chairman Plufka said he will designate two Commissioners to serve on a special Task Force that the City Council is expected to appoint to review standards for outside storage and sate of merchandise In the Business Districts. Mee+ing adjourned at 10:35 p.m.