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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 08-24-1988CITY OF PLYMOUTIf PLAM114C C014HISSION MIMT 'S AUGUST 24, 1988 The R qul.3r Meeting 07 the Plym.outti Planning Commis-sior, was called to order at 7;30 P.M. Wr_WdER5 PRESENT.- Chairman Paub,a, '.0mmi s5i.oners tire; 8wulher , Zy1la, Mar3fskv and Tierney PIOES A ENT Commissioner Ptufka STAFF PRESENT: Community Development Coordinator Chuck Dillerod City Engineer Chet Harrison Planning Secretary Grace Wi,neman 41NUTES Motion by Commissioner Zylla, seconded by Commissioner Wire MOTION TO APPROVE to approvethe August 10, 1988 Planning Commission Minute as submitted Vote. Aves. Chairman Pauba and Commissioner Stulbera VOTE MOTION CARRIED abstained. MOTION carried. PQV1_1C HEARINGS Chairman Pauba introduced the request by WayzataEvangelical WAYZATA EVA LICAL fry fihurch; A. oTer = e; n uhf A ust , •'18 Staff FREE "URC - Report was provided by Coordinator Gi.11erud, PRELIMINARY PLAT SITE PLM, AND Commissioner Marofsky inquired about" the wetland. C k?IT.IONAL USE PERMIT (88026) Coordinator Dillerud stated that though it is not 1;desiq noted" wetland, it is important to note that the plans show the requirement for storm water movem-ent through this area. Chairman Pauba introduced Mr. Miohael S.. Margul ies Attorney, 4100 IDS Center, representing the petitioner. Mr. Margulies introduced the .consultant, Mr. Mark Gr onberg and Mr. Stuart Turnbull: and ferry Fadden, representing the huroh. Iry Margulie-s stated that. with the expansion of the church# auditorium 'a 1953,. it was anticipated there would he Inoreased parking needs. This request, is to expund the parking. lot to meet the needs of present fun.eti:ons in the r chl,rah. it is not for any future plans to expand the church it if 204- Pic Plan ninq C mmisslon Minutes August a4 1988 - The plans as presented conform to City Ordinance standards. gdest i z i about the "disclaimer" on the p1dt that '!this is not intended for Development,- by theChurch" was placed because that church does not ,have development expertise. The lets will, hopefully, be developed by another entity. The church looks to the City to work out the development plans with that entity. Pommissioner Harofsky inquired if the balance of the, lots would ;be platted as an out,lot. Mr.. Margulies stated that the Final Plat will show an outlot An application to plat that property 'would be submitted' by someone ether than the church for processing and City approvals., Commlissioner Marofsky inquired about. 'the location for Olive Coordinator Dillerud stated that with the platting of that property, Olive Lane should be placed further to the east to preserve the low land and .natural area. This may produce some: lots that would be narrower and have less depth than Ordinance minimums, however, even with possible variance consideration, its is important to preserve the natural fecn-jres of the property, Chairman Paubaintroduced ' Mr. Stuart Turnbull, Wayzata Evangelical Free hur^h,:who stated that the ouilot will not be developed by the chur-h. They would sell it to developer who in turn would submit the proper plans to the r ty. He- =noted the church auditorium has 1$000 seats, and the parking expansion is needed for current church functions. Chairman Pa;uba opened the Public Hearing. William'Baxter, 17635 6th Avenue North; stated that he Is homeowner in Hawtbo ,ne Pends, and th-- residents have petitioned' the C ty for official: abandonment ;of 6th Avenue North. Because of the drought situation, the City 'had asked for a postponer, nt. Mr. Baxter requested that the record show they Dave made this request. It was also his wish that Sth Avenue North never be- connected., Hr. Baxter stated that this plan, shows much improvemevXu over, the previous plans submitted by the church, especidily with the case taken to preserve the natural areas. However, it Y is top bad it was; over -built to begin with. He requested that the. seven .lots as proposed would be for residential` homes only, and that step, be taken to see that this property would 'never end up as a parking lot. Im Page 206 Planning Commission Minutes August24, 1985 Mr. Baxter requested the City to reviow their planning and zoning requirements for the so-called "mega churches.." Re stated that there was discussion by the City Council on this matter recently. He stated that Wayzata Evangelical Free Church is no longer a "neighborhood" church.. This type of church should be in a commercial' area Mr. Baxter expressed concern that the church had not lived up to their commitments to the neighborhood, especially with respect to .landscaping arta buffering The neighbors do not believe they have done a ",good job." He believes there could be other methods of transportation to the church and that the lot expansion will reduce property values. Re --,-,idents on the Sth Avenue side want: specific covenants to prohibit access to 8th Avenue from the parking lot. It is their contention that the garage should not be removed, as it would allow access to ;S#h Avenue north from the backside of the church; ;lot. He said that preserva- tion of the natural area is very important to the neighbor- hood and the City-at-larp, Chairman Pauba inquix rd about the petition for vacation of 6th Avenue North, and the questions relating to 8th Avenue North." Engineer Harri.so:. stated he was not aware of the status of these issues. 1r. Stuart' Turnbull stated that the landscaping and berming, as proposed, exceeds the City's requirements. He has advised the nei.ghbYvs on several occasions that they should call him or the Pastor with any problems or concerns ; a-d, that neither he, nrr Pastan Vawter have :received telephone calls from oei.ghborhood residents relaying complaints. Commissioner Marofsky stated that the lots in question are zoned R -1A, than allows the development of single family residential homes. The church is a conditional use in the RY-1A District and if they do not sell the lots they could return with - future proposal for the property they own that could` include expansion of the church use. Ms. Lynne Kravoska 615 Narcissus Lane, sated they Moved in a; year ago, ddint- they could live with the parking lot because of the wide berm and screening that had been .instal led. They also believed the only rtc,ise would be during Sunday servi.oes, and, they would' be attending church at that time as well., so It wouldnit be a problem However, this was not fitre case and many problems have arisen from tho church functions -and traffic that could be described as "trespassing -11 late at night Paine 207 Planning Commission Minutes Auqust 24 198 She stated that cars "flood" the cul-de-sac during church services. On some occasions, but more prevalent during the school, year and from 11 ' P.M. to z00 A.M., there are after- hours "visitors" that include kids drag racing their cars and yelling and screaming, those who park and use the lot as a "lovers lane".- and, the incidents where cars meet and something" is passed from one to the other. She related an Incident when a man was in her ` backyard` at 2.00 A.M. and went into the yard of an elderly neighbor who lives alone. She explained that ,;the lot Is too large and is hidden- away from the street where strange cars or questionable activi- ties cannot be seen;. They have called the police and by the time they arrive, the cars andfor people are gone, She expressed concert) _ about the safety of her home and family and for the other resi'.derrS who live near' the church.. She opposes the expansion to the cburch`s parking lo't. Bill. Kratoska., 615 Narcissus, confirmed his, wife's state- ments. He statedthat when they bought their home they talked to representatives of the church, attended their services, and were assured that the neighborhood felt the church to be a good Neighbor. They Yvere given general:: assurance that the church would not expand without working with the neighborhood and advising them of the plans. How - ever,, they have found that the neighbors are not as ha.ppv as the church had lett thein to believe, and that plans were sub- m'.tted to theCity without advising the neighbors. He noted that if the church' would have their lot restriped, they could easily increase the existing .lot by appr-oximatel. 40 parking spaces. The church is too large for a resi- dential neighborhood and he is opposed any further expans:ion.. Larry gohnson, 17605 8th Avenue 'North, stated that the berm I. is not enough to screen car light glare from his 'home; the berm is not maintained regularly-,, and, the shrubs are not high enough to adequately screen the lot. He reiterated that church traffic continues to park on the cul-de-sac; young people skate board, play loud radios; and generally hang outs, which invites trouble for the neighborhood. He is opposed to any further expansion of the parking lot. Chairman Pauba inquired about church functions during week- days. Mr. Turnbull: .stated' that there is a nursery school operating ;five clays a week; choir practice is Wednesday evening; a 'chemical dependency groin meets at the church and; on Monday evenings the Boys' Club and the curls programs are held. The. church is closed by 1000 P.M. 1 3 Paae 208 Planning Commission Minutes i Nuqust' 74 198 Charles VanDeVer e, 705 Oveerislandf Lane,7 stated - that concerns - he would express have been =voiced. Every Sunday, cars are parked on 'nth Avenues makingt difficult for him to turn, into his driveway, He believes there should be "hard" data provided and good reasons given why these additional parking, spaces are needed, because even though there is the problem with on --street parking, there are empty parking spaces in this lot every Sunday. Mr. Turnbull stated that 840 people attended church last Sunday and the ' parking lot was basically full.. The church shares the concern about on -street parking and have. a shut- tle bus that runs from the school administration building to alleviate the problem. The church has paid for this service for the, past two years. Commissioner Marofsky inquired whert the church acquire the additional land;:* Mr. Turnbull stated the church bought the lard and closed on the sale a year ago, July 15, 1937., Chairman Pauba inquired if the church offers only one service, fir. Turnbull stated they hold two services during the fall and winter months. However,; shifting to Lwo services brought in more cars because the youth instruction program schedules and church' services' core together. Commissioner Tierney inquired about the late night activity In the parkincl >lot as reported by the neiolibors. fir. Turn- bull stated he is also very concerned about this. The church, is closed at 10 p.t4. and, they have talked about fencing and installation of gates. Commissioner Tierney inquired why this had not. begin 4nne. Mr. Turnbull stated it had been discussed,, but lie >cou; -,, tot answer whether this was ,part of a specific plan, Charles Lehrman, 810 Queensland Lane, asked why the City could ; not guarantee that the parking lot would not access th Avenue North. Commissioner Marofsky reiterated that his statement concernod the ;zoning for the property as ft -1A; and, the church ` as the -property owner, bas the right to sell property which call be developed with single family horses. If they retain the property, it can be pvoposed for use by the church, Mr. Lehrman stated he saw no .mason that a condition or requirement could not be placed that traffic from the church must access Highway '101and requested that the Commission recommend that. unless .long --standing covenants can be placed I Page 209 Planninq Commissien flip t(4s August Z4,t 1-988 on this propos-dl it should be denied. There is a large development beino contemplated on, the east; side of Hadley ti4ke and the residents on 8th Avenue need this protection. Mr, Gehrman stated that he is also concerned that the o::sa uc:iion of Clive Lame seems to be dangerously close to the wetland. He thanked the church for showi.nq him'the plans and for cropping their original proposal, Ron Goltz, 17615 8th Avenue North, stated tie has aft excely Lent view of what is going on at ti; chu' -no also questions the need for additional parking. He noted up to iir more empty parking spaces on many occasions, and that chicles use the school, administration building lot. He 16 d1so concerned about the date night noise,` He stated that the ` berm was r,ot ` mooted more than twicelast summer& When they cut it:, ;they, cut down one of his trees, the church has since reimbursed him, They also mowed through his hedge, He .would like a higher berm and better maintenance. He noted that plazas he had seen showed .more plantings than were provided. He suggested someone from the City walk the site, He inquired about the ponding and drainage. He stated his property value would be decreased by this expansion. He opposes approval for this plan unless It can be 'confirmed there definitely will be no further expansion by this church. David Kuehn, 17720 Lh Avenue Morth,. stated his pr$; ,,,,°r ty has been flooded four time; and he is concerned that the parking let expansion will: .make it worse. He inquired if the pips: installed is l.arc e enough for the volume of wader. Engineer Harrison explained the requirements for the grading and drainage, Chairman Pauba advised :that Mir, Kuehn check with the Engineering Department about the existing problem. Wayne Bourne, $30 Narcis-.us Lane, stated he is the. President of the Hawthorne ponds Homeowners Association, but is spear- inq as a homeowner,. There has been a credibility b)-eakdown between him, the church and ,at times, the City. N explained _ the drainage problems af`feoUng his. property; that the drainageand landscaping was not a+ compini h_ed. b the church as pxomi$ed and his property has become a "weedy marsh." The City has had to come out. to clean up the garbage and debris at the site, and 'the pcl.i.ce have been called regard i q late night trespassers and noise from the parking lot. He opposes any further expansion, by the church Chairman Pauba closed the Paid lc Hearing, Page 210 planning Commission f irlutcs August 24t 1988 Jerry. ,Fadden, Wayzata Evangelloal, Free Church, stated that: the drainage lssw,i Is riot new; the City has reshot the lot and had it resurveyed per specifications. The grade was foundto be correct. The cQv rt under Highway 101 was, inches higher than the plan, this is a problem to be resolved by the State of Minnesota. The church hdS a "ways tried to respond t ¢ and address those problems brough'to their' attention. Chairman Pauba stated he is concerned that the complaints` relayed by the neighbors are long-standing. Commissioner Marofsk,y stated his concerns are based on the questions' of whether the proposal is made for ads li tional parking to fall the church auditorum,,- Has the otuurch reached reasonable capacity for this site? With additional , parking, will a greater, number of church functions be scheduled and, is the church expanding to meet future uses MOTION by CorrdsSioner Marofsky., seconded by Chairman Pauba MOTION TO DEW to deny the Preliminary Plat, Site Plan and Conditional Use Permit ` based or; the following: The proposal does not meet the Conditional Use Permit criteria, of the Ord}n.-AAce for public welfare, saftt,y, and comfort; that it would increase -traffic, would substantially restrict the balance of the residential: ire°a; would be detrimental to the natural features of the site; and, could be injurious to the use and enjoy- ment of other p.rope t,, in the immediate vicinity. Co-voissio'ner Zylla ;agreed the proposal had not adequately addte ped the subjccL of the need for additional, parking. m He noted that in reviewing the previous proposal's Commis- sioner Marofsky had recommended; that a traffic consultant study the parking lot layout, if this has not been acczmpl fished it shdr ld be done. ften the church proposal was revi-3wed in October, 1937, the onderstandi.ng was that everyone would work together. Although this proposal is mu,.h batter than the original plan, there is substantial opposition to it and it beoome6 a matter of precluding expan ion:kar controlling its It should be confirmed whether additional parking spaoe could be attained on the lot as it exists, He stated that he would suggest deferral and that the church return wi-th hard evidence regardi.nq traffic generation and the need for additional, parking. if the City Council decision is to approve the -arka nq lot expansion it should ve spotNi f ied as the final cxp , i slona Rage 21 Planning Cofi3mis i.o# Minutes August 24, 198 Co w., issioner Marof sky .st-, ted that it should not be necessary to accommodate additionai parking to f ill the church and maximize the use of this site. The chum. should work with- I i.n the confines of the parcel Commissioner Zyrl l a stated that his could be a basis for denial if it were a commercial. use vApanding Into a resi- dential neighborhood. H1oW1f1.VPr ;, the, church use doe:.. not change the zoning, it is a conditional use for that zoning. Any changes proposed by the church must ire prt)ven to ; have Minimal impac'. on the residential uso. It is clear that this r ropo5al. -dues not show hard evidence- than the need for aad tlon,a). pa*AIoq exists., Commi-.si ones' Ti. -,rnev stated that a compromise could be dis- cussed such as ojttinq the size of the parking lot and real quirinq the church to alleviate: the continued on-street parking (perhap;i the City Ordinances could help in this regard).. The safet,,{y factors ;need to be addressed perhaps with Iow Level- flood lighting versus no lighting. Roll Call. Vote,. 4 Ayes, Commzs ioners ;Zyl.l.a ane, Tierney, VOTE - MOTTO" CARRIU) day. MOTI.r! carried, m Issloner Stulberq recommended that direction be given to City staff to look into the current Problems as discussed by the residents this evening, He recalls earlier discussion$ with the church concerning fencing and the need to close the tot when it was, not in use for church Functions. Commissioner Wire stated 'it is JIPY,i octant for the church to: work with the people who live in the neighborhood Convissi,oner Stul~berg stated his vote reflects the basis for denial; that the Conditional. list Permit guidelines are not satisfLo;d by this proposal, Chairman rl uba called a 5 minute Rec;t;ss at 9:24 P.M. RECESS Chairman. Pauba introduced the request by Richard and Colleen RICHAR _ & COLLEEN Weber., Reading of the August > 15t 1,988 staff' report was IIEBEN. PREUMINIkRy waived- however, Coordinator Di.11erud pointed out that the W FINAL PLAY preliminary plat should be modified to refal(-.ct a 35 ft. set.- 88 77) back to Ranchview Lase, which would not :impact the residence. Chairman Pauba opened -the Public Hearing, ds t fxe w s no one present to speak on this itemthe Puolie Haring was closed r f MOTION by ('.ommi.ssloner Wire. seconded L Commissioner NOTION TO APPROVE Stulberg to recr~mmend dpprov,,dl for the Preliminary and Final Plat for two single family res)*dential, lots, subJect to the conditions listed in the August 3 % ;#1 staff report and Inc.ludintt a 35 ft* setback along Ranch.,* , ew Lane. Roll Call do ted 6 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED Pate: Planning Commission Minutes Aurju.st 24, T 5 Ghairmon Pauba Introduced the request by Cerald Grabowski. M0 GRA13OWSKI Reading of the August 15, 1988 staff reptant was waived. REZONING AND ; PREUMI ARY PLAT Nr. 3erry Grabowski, 1 105 48th Avenue Horth, stated that 88083) his family will be making their home here and it is their intention to assure the preservation of the natural features' of the property. Their plan follows all of the recommendations made by 'city staff. MOT1W by Commissioner wire, seconded by Commissioner WTION TO APPROVE tulberg to recommend approval for the Rezoning and Prelim- relim- inaryinaryPlaty for Gerald Grabowski for two singl.e family resi- dential bats, subject to the conditions listed ,in the August 15, 1968 staff report. Roil Gal Vote, 8 Ayes, MQUON carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED Chairmen Pauba introduced tha request by 'United Properties, UNITED PROPERTIES Inc. Readr.nq of the August 15, 1988 staff report was MPUD PRELIMINARY waived. PLAN/PLAT, COND11IONAL USE Commissioner Marofsky inquired dbout 'tI)e sign location. Co- PERMIT AND SIGN ordinator Dill.erud noted the Director of Parks and Recrea- LOCATION VARIANCE than made the recommendation that they sign riot be placed We 88£189) close to the trail or between the tra l and roadway, Chairman Pauba introduced Mr. tale Gl.owa United Properties. Mr. Gl owa stated that he has been charged with the development of the industrial area of the Parkers Lake North ' Planned Unit Development. He Intreduoed the members of 'Ris developmentgroup# iM ¢ Qowa explained their ;proposal; and, that they will, discuss their exceptions to the staff r_ -.Ports. 1. Condition Nos. 8 and 9 of the report: regarding drive access to Niagara i„ ar e; and the requirement; for installation of the transition terms/landscaping) over the entire length of the area. 2, Item Nos. 8 and 24-E of the Engineer's Memorandum r gdrding pending 3o Item No. 4--D of the Engineer's -Memorandum regarding driveway access. Mr. Glowa requested that with respect to Items 8 and Z4 --E of the e'ngineer's °Memorandum., the f'i'nal, sentence be deleted and that they be allowed to oonstrupt< the ponds at the time of construction of Shenandoah Lone, f gage 21 Planning Coms i.--siori t4loutes Avgo st 24$ 1988 Mr. Glcwa stated their -concern about the sp cif is requlro-- mutt for no driveway access for Tracts 81 ', and G, from Niagara Lane, and the shared drive requirement. They requested that the number of private drive access points be limited to seven, to be determined with site development. Mr. G ,owa introduced Mr. Ron Erickson,. KKE Architects, Inc. 4r. Erickson stated he would first discuss the issue of transition. He explained that to sepa.ratt buildings before they are constructed poses major problems for site planning and could cause missed opportunities for the best use and design of the sites. This property will. be developed site -by -site; installation of utilities will be phase;',' arid, the sites will have individual building owners ,and t:ena.rits* Completing the transition and landscaped areas the entre length of the area wouldnot fit ' in with site -key --sine development, and it is important to be exacting when placing landscaping for maximum aesthetics arra superior screening, 14t ri Erickson stated that there is no reed for the ponds at this stage of development.: Again, it is important to construct the ponds for ut itarian and aesthetic purposes that, they are integrated with the construction and design feature:> of the total area. Mr. Erickson assured the Commission that this will happen in a timely manner. Its ' integration witt* the construction will produce more irittlerestinq and, aestheV. -ally pleasing sites upon completion of the development. Mr. Erickson stated that access is critical for the users and owners of these buildings. Shared drives for two separ- ate developments, that ;may not occur at the same time, makes it difficult in this market, The access shown on their plans is that which had .been shown on previous City of Minneapolis plans that have been approved. it is they same access that; buildings across the t-,,treet have today. Access for service: vehicles was discussed. sir. Erickson stated that the in -hound service vehicles would be coming onto the site during off peak hours. and the proposed access paint would be for in -bound tuck ' tra"ic coming to the docks. He said that as each .site :develops, there will be uniqu t requirements for service access for individual property owners, It would be 'preferable to limit the number of access paints,;rather than tying it to specific parcels. Chairman Pauba opened the Pub, is H _.aringI as there was no one present; to speak ort this Item, the Public Hearing was closed,. Rage 214 Planningng Com ission Minutes August 241 198 Cvmi.ssioner Marofsky noted the roadway design with access for Paroel: - to 23rd Averw e North and Niagara Lane. H wdul l oppose this option s Commissioner Zylla inquired if the Comkml ns n would need to address access with the preliminary ,vlew or this application?: Coordinator D ll.erud stated the quer tion of access was raised by the petitioner from a design standpoint. In this instance, it would be appropriate for the Commission to re- view the plans at this stage of the development. Commissioner Wire stated it would .seem more appropriate to reviews the ite plan; on an individual basis.. He would be opposed to approving a Solan=:et number of access points as proposed. Gl owa stated they would also prefer site -by -site plan review, with the exception of the "Productivity, Inc." site. leis particular access point is desired by company owner, Commissioner Marofsky stated he is concerned with the change to the internal circulation and suggested that the street loop from 21st Avenue knackthrough to 25th Avenue. He inquired if the petitioner had considered this ' option. ter « lowa stated that road design would impact the site by reducing its depth and inhibit future site development;. Commissioner Marofsky inquired if the Engineering Department had studied this alignment? ' city Engineer Harrison stated the roadway would need an appropriate angle, but they had not reviewed *Uhis parti.cula.r alignment. Further discussion ensued regarding the full transition and the petitioner's concern that in this marketplece,; i t, would be difficult: to attain the optimum saleability for sites where the; building, ownership would ;have no choice in the matter, of designing access to their site. Mr. Glowa stated that with light manufactur ng., office/ showroom -type d'evelopmen, building owners would not favor shared drives. Commissioner Zyll:a inquired whether individual site plans could comb:i.nc .logs? Coordinator kii herud answered affi:rma tivelyi Mr. Ron Erickson stated this would be likely. Commissioner Zyl.la stated he would rather not addrss the curb cuts at this time. The Commission could give direction and the specifics should be handled at the time of Site Man submittals. aQe Planning commission Minutes August 2uvl 198 Co a- isSioner Z_ 11 a l.nqul.rled abort: the- tracking me Lhods for assuring completion of the transition, If it were not constructed in total Coffnissioner Mire inquired why phasing the installation of transition would be irappropriate. Does the City staff believe the installation should be immediate Coordinator Di.11erud answered affirmatively. Commiasi.oner Wire stated that as a Planned Unit DevelopmenS k - would not the the common area maintenance b-- equal among building owners? Commisslon6r Marofsky suggested bonds or financial guar- antees, along with covenants for perpetual.., maintenance. Mr. . Glowa stated that United cannot Pond property "we don't own' As the lots are sold,;` the work would be completed by United. Protective covenants would be ,prepared for each site for maintenan^e. This would assure the security the. City expects. Commissioner Marofsky stated, concern that United Properties would not have control of the property. It was his under- tandIng that this proposal. would bind the oui.l.dinct owner through the developer. Mr. Olowa stated they have development rightson a Contract for Geed to submit the plans for the staged development of this property The United Properties development group has worked closely: with City staff regarding the requirements for development of the Industrial property in this Planned Unit; Development. f -IO 1014 by Commissioner Marofsky, s :ond d by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE Wire to -recommend approval for the MPUD Preliminary Plan/ Plat and Conditional Use Permit and Variance for the Sign Location, subject to the 16 condi-%%hors listed in the August 15, 1968 sta f r report; changing Condition No. 7 to read that the signage facing Niagara Lane shall. be 10 ft, gest of the trail as constructed; deleting Condition No. ; and -podify- i g Condition No. "9 as follow-: in til Development Contract shall, require fl n¢nza a gua°rare -,es to be executed by this developer to assure the installation of the transi- tion area berms/ landscaping over ther entire length of the transition area i Commissioner Marofsky reiterated that it would be more appropriate to review these 'sites on a case-by-case basis as to access, site circulation, and landscaping. r Page , 2161 Planning cmmi ssicn Minutes Auqust 74, MTION by Commissioner Stulber , secondee by Chairman pauba, NOTION TO A to Amend the Man Motion to reinstitute; Conditionon . 15 exactly as writtenl o assure that even though the northern sites are to be developed f istj access would be, available to the properties to the south. Mr Mum"a state twee prcpcsal s for the two sites that are known to have been selected by a spec fio company for, eve opmen t Commissioner, 1arcfsky stated' that tretain the condition would be, proh) emat cal in trackinthe I units for acre r, t Nlaqa,ra, Lane R,011 -CalIment. I Aye, hajrman ,aubay Commis- un At en MFAMEDITR sionerso irrt, y la, Marcfsky and Tieraeyj RaYA MOTION a Hed Chairman Pauha stated he seconded the Mdtich W allow discussion. Commissioner Zylla moved to delete the asst sentence of Condition Not 9 re at*ve to financial guarantees. MotIcn died dor lack of second* i inn 1 ricksonstated he understood they would not be able to get a ui d n perm -.t without the insta latloft - the berm and transition which would be the, prime incentive for completing work. He ekes not agree with the need, for Finan- c.a guarantees, this work will be completed as the sites are plan ed. Roll '*all on skean Motion,. 6 Ass MO TI? carried. VOTEMOTION CAR Chairman pauba introduced the request and an overview o the 3AW-S AND MORAN uqu`t 1,9 .staff' report was provided by r+or inats r' U TTS" N PUD crud JLVI MIT I T ha * r an Pau. a Introduced t1'r. 'im atteson ' 4535 Trenton 8i 2 Inc .e Northt who noted the letter from the party purchasing the property nest to hid tc build IIs bome and, that the; buyer does rept oppose the Ratteson.1s proposal to constr ct a 4,eck It,was noted that the Commission was provided a copy of that letter. Coote sslcner aro 's y inquired there wet ld b- future. Plana for, a 3 -season coreh would this reulr ether Conditional Use Permit amendoientA'. Coordinator DIllerud stated the Commission could e.; to. add -this as a condition of appro at* however I the approving recommendat,icn sp-cifies the construction of .a "'deck" and s ijwns l oas k .,. Mrs Matteson stated he I s reques ting the amendmentonly for the I ec " to enhance, the c tdoo,r a to vx t es at his hems for his family M Pegs 217 Planning Commission t4inutes August .141 1958 hairman Peuba opened the Public Hearing, as taw;are as no one present to speak on this items the Public Hearing was: closed. MOTION by, Commissinner Wire, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE tul.berq Le reoGmend approval for the PlannedUnit Develop-' merit Plan Conditional Use Permit Amendment, subject to the conditions as listed in the August 16# 1988 staff report, Roll Call Vote. 6-Ayei. MOTION carried. VOTE _ MOT10CRIED Cowit si.oner Wire noted that City staff should review those homes constructed with pc,ti.o doors that lead no where and: have no landings This should be discussed with the builders. - Chairman Paubaintroduced the request by 8t:b Hunter for a BOB HUNTER Planned Unit ev--Iopment Plan Condi"Gional Use Permit Amend- BOB'S ENERGY SERVICE mens. Re- ding of the. August 'i , 1988 staff report was PUB FLARCONOITIONAL waived. USE PERMU AMENWRT TO CONSTRUCT THREE Commissioner Marofsky noted' that pouring a concrete pard' 3-8EASON P€ RCK5S IN requires no building permit, so hypothetically, those who CIMARRON PONDS are constructing the porches could have another ,concrete pad 88 93) installed beyond the 3-season porch. The Coordinator agreed that this was possible. Chairman Pauba opened the Public Hearino. Bob Hunter Rt 1. s' Waverly, HN., stated the parches would be constructed with materials that would be compatible to the existing homes. The poaches would be setback; from the lot lines; would have brick facing; and, would match the contour the roofline. The three property owners have received permission: from their Homeowners. Association to construct the 3-season porches, Chairman Peuba -closed the Public Hearing. MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner NOTION TB APPROVE Tierney to recommend approval for the Planned Urii L Develop- ment Plan Conditional. Use Permit Amendment; s=ubject to the: conditions listed: in the Augvst 15, 1988 staff report. , Commissioner Marofsky stated he has no doubt these are good plans and these will be attractive additions, but his concern it that precedence .1tould be set to allow further expansion into the cuannpn areas of a Planned Unit Develop- ment, Perhaps the request for an amendment should be fo the entire complex,, and coritai n. l.ariguage in the r conditions that would prohibit further expansion beyond ghat which is given the complex, 2rrweY• Page 21 Planning Con-missior? t,_nut,es August 2 ., 1 Commissioner Ilerney stated she sees these additions as up- grading the development, rather than using temporary struc- tures., She concurs with Commissioner 1 arua sky s concern abclit the possible extension of concrete pads beyond the three -season porch construction if thereis no ; City ordinance to control this. Poll Call Vote. 5 Ayes., Commissioner Marofsky, May.. VOTE MOTION CAMS MOTION carried Cc_: issioner Wire stated he concurs with Commissioner Tierney, and is also concerned about future problems because- ecauseofof,a higher pernentage of impervio"s. surface In the concen- trated area of a FUD. Chairman Pauha introduced the request by Trammell. Crow T AWELL CHOW CO. Company for Carl --,)h Center Eleventh Addit'Joir', reading of the FTS., PLAT FOR August 15, 1985 staft report was waived CARLSQN CENTER ELEVENTH' ADDITION Chairman Pauba introduced Ms Lima Fisher, Attorney, repre- SITEPLANS AND senting Trammell Crow Company.. t4s Fisher introduced the CONDITIONAL USE members of the developmenL group. She noted that .they have PERMITS FOR, OFFICE/ reviewed the staff report and the revision to Condition No. WAREN SE ST1i UCT RES 11, rade following their receipt of the report, which they 86094/88095) find _ to be acceptable. Nos. Fisher provided the background for this development plan and disoussod the site plans and construction of the office] warehouse buildings. She noted that in 1987, an amendment td the Ceneral. Development Plan'for the Carlson Tech Center was reviewed and approved for office, use. The Ordinance provides for 50 office occupancy as a matter of right This application is a request to exceed that percentage, and the proposal meets all the criteria for the Conditional Use Permit. She noted that the ,parking is -satisfied through the "proof- of -parking" plan and the tenants l :st would include computer systems companies that require a Ax of storage and office use* Com Issionver Wire 5nquired about the square footage require- ment ,for the number of employees Coordinator_ Dillorud Mated this is addressed .in the Zoning Ordinance, and he recalls it wotil.d be one space ' per 200, sq, ftp. for small office buildings and slightly Less for larger office build l -Mfr.>,- Commissioner Wire stated his concern that the number, park- Of empLoLi Rs should also be 'a basis for the number of• Ing spasces' required Chairman Fauba opened the Public He ringg as there was no one present to speak on chis item, the Public Hearing was i closed. Page 219 Plarninth Commission Minutes August 24, 198? fcom -r ^ .' nr t,( N.Of ' rte, , speo- yn^ dee. Ii:: f'.tk ya4].Y sisiz neng0`} (. by Commissionerdih/..,5/ 7.a 4vi1R t .a.. Ifi,.U-'tC i CT.1 n. .744•L%i a a,. z ,.r r urine, a.. MOTI # APPROVE Wire to recommend approval l or the Site Plans and Conditional Use Permi for Trammell Crow Company, subject to the conditions listed in the August 25, 1958 staff report. MOTION by Commissioner ' Marcfsky, seconded by Commissioner UOTIQN TO AMEN Wire to Amend the Motion to delete Condition No. 11 in the recommendations for Building C aiduildi D A condition of approval shOUld reflect that tie uses within each build- ing must be generally compa"ble with the Industrial District and, withoutknowing what those uses would be, would be delegating the property owner the determination o findin the uses. Further discussion ensued rega-di.nq the Sk to Plan approval pending the questions offered t?egard nq specific compatible uses rind their impact on the parking requ.irpmonts. ',Coanis- s one. Wire stated that that there should be safeguards in place to effect, the immediate construction of pOrkinq, when It is needed. Mr. Cohn Griffith, Trammell Crow Company, .3tated that there is at this time,; pavement in place to provide: additional parking when it is needed. VOTE - AMENDMENT MOT:CON FAILED Roll Call Vote ort the Amimdment. 1 Aye, Chairman P'auba Commissioners ;Shire,, Stulberg, Zylla, and Tierney, May. Mot inn failed. VOTE - MAIN b-i3T1ON M0110N CARRIED Roll Call mote on gain Motion 5 Ayes. Comm ss loner Marofsky, May. CAP T& iMPROVEWNTS MIGRAM, CXP Chairman Pauba introduced City Engineer Chet Harrison who 1989-199 provided maps and a verbal overview of the Capital Improve - merits Program as submitted. Engineer Harrison' noted the letter submitted by Lundgren Brothers Construction Company endot sing the CIP Commissi Page 220 Planning Commission Minutes August 24, 198 The Commission discrossed the sewer capacity and, service areas -on Zylla-rtquired about size of tri line servicing certain districts and flow from outside the City boundaries. Coordinator Dillerud explained what the local: service is tied to the Land Use Guide Plan for the City* Commissioner Zyll,a stated his concern i ss not with the technical size, butt if the size 'is predicated on the land use guiding, Commissioner Zyl.la Inquired about the area sur -charge -4nd down guiding property. He observed that a property owner is penalized for a Land Use Guide Plan .Amendment Lhat would reduce the density levels for property. He h A eves that this is not a proper response ,to the market Uday, The market is a barometer to consider for overall City planning Commissioner Vire stated the Commission should receive information to make it easier to understand the financing for such services; and, concurs with Commissioner Zyll regarding the reduction of density. Convoi.ssi over Zy"lla stated it Is his opinion that area asses- sment and street assessment costs could "kill." good develop- ment plans. He noted the Graham development land use quid - Ing prevented nim from svhmi tting a proposal for all single family homes. Rather he had to provide multi -family dwel- lings with his development plart to maintain project f easi- bil.ity with the high. assessments. Commissioner Wire suggested that a staff report be prepared to inform- the Commission regarding the City's financial, plans and cost features for the items listed in each Capital Improvements Program. Commissioner Wire expressed hi,s —oncern regarding the "water problem" in the City this. summer. Plymouth dries not seem to have an adequate water supply and this is, an ;important consideration that should be addressed with the report o City services,* Engineer Harrison stated that the City has. stepped up the pace with plans for a well on the water filtration site:; and other areas are under consideration for future well sitesa Commissioner Wire stated that the City .must adequately; plan for high water use during the summers months, and more Important, it should be confirmed that the service is ade- quate to meet the rate of residential development ,in the City. Coordinator Di.11erud suggested that the Commissioner make a Motion to establish tbe concerns with water availability I as a pert of the Capital: Improvements Program E:_ II= i Page 22 1 Planninq Commission Minutes August 24, 1988 Commissioner Stulberq 5uggested that if sot moved, it should also- ,address the ,tack of wa-der preurfor certain properties Chalrr, n Pauba opened Lhe Public Hearing, Sherman Goldberg,, 12115 48th Avenue North, stated that he i requesting the street c:onstiwtion and connection for Vine - wood Lane and Xeni.um Lane south of County Road 9 and Cot- tonwood Plazafor next year, rather than as planned for 1993. He rioted that the right-of-way is in place. He noted that the sewer line west of Vicksburg Lahti on w County Road 9gis in place. The property owners 'desire to develop their lard as soon &% possible ar)d request that their property be included for 1989 development,. This applies to the "gravi.tyt" section of the trunk sewer. 1 Mr., Toy Lbuks, 8401 72nd Avenue Horth, Brooklyn ;Park,; MN, statedd he represents Mr Cralcj Scherber,_ who owns property west of Swan Lake. To develop this property, a sewer exten- sion from _vet Medlci,ne Lake Read is needed to serve the property. Kr Scherber had been told by the Engineering Department and the Public Works i irecter that there would. b no problem.. Mr.,_ Scherb r returned to the City sic months ago and talked with the City Manager who relayed the information that a: trunk sewer lane would be required to .serve his property and that it was not par'll of the current Capital Improvements Program. The City Manager suggested that Mr. Scherber take- his request before the Planning Commission at the Public earipq scheduled For tonight, ght, Mr 4 L,ouks stated' that Mr. Scherber had spoken with the Mayor and had written a letter to the City Council that requests consideration for the trunk sewer lane located 900 ft. north of County Road 9 at West Medicine Lake Road ' to be made available to serve the property :located north of County Road 9; east of 1,494- and south of the Soo Line railroad tracks., The development would be known as "Swart Lake 1111 and proposed for single family residential development to includo, 50 single family JotMr w $cherber' s le t;,irr ,also made the, same request for the Begin property located in the sane vicinity. He noted that `' the property owners agree to pay the Area Assessments, There would have been no delay for developoent of the property with lateral service; however, the trunk ewer Line is required to be listen in the Capital improve- ments Program. x To include this trunk sewer line within the ,current CIP is only a slight, acceleration and the property owners have waited patiently the past two years, l is Planning CommissionK.Inutes August 24, 198 VI TTION. by Commissioner Zylla, second by; C+ommis5ioner , Ure NOTION TO ADOPT to rocommend the adoption of the Capital Imorovements THE CAPITAL, Program (CIP) 1989--1993, as submitted and to include the IMPROVEWNTS following: Include the, road oonstrue tion , connection for P t RM1989-199 Vinewood Lane and Xenium bane, and, the trunk sewer line extension for 1989 to serve property on the ,north side of County Road 91 west of Vicksburg Gane as described in correspondence submitted by Sherman Goldberg & Associate dated: August Z5; 198a and, the request made by Cram Scherber for extension of the trunk sewer line in 1989 to serve property located north of County Road 9, east. of 1-494, and south of the -5oo Line railroad traoks,. Roll Call Vote Ayes, MOTION carried, VOTE " MOTIOH CARRIED Co mlssioner Wire requested that the Commission direct staff to prepare information on what is needed to provide adequate water service to the City of Plymouth, to make comparisons with water service in other metropolitan communities such as the City of f4 nneapolis; and to include any information r lativ t tnc sire -of water service pipes AQ:JOURHw dT; 12:20 A w M