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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 07-13-1988CITY OF PLYMOUTH 3400 PLYMOUTH BLVD., PLYMOUTH. MINNESOTA 55447 TELLPHONE (812) 559-2800 MEMO DATE: July L'7) 1988 ; TO., Planning Commission FROM: Community Development Coordinator Pharl'os E. Dillerud and Planning Secretary Grace-Wineman SUBJECT JULY 13, ;1988 PLANNIN COMMISSION MINUTES Cots—ectl.ons identified during the preparation of City Council Memorandums have been made to the July 131, 1988 Planninq Cotanzsslon Minutes. We have run corrected copies for odour information, and t=e folJ owa.nq is a list of those Gorr ectiotAs and the page numbers 1. Page 174. MOTION to 'Amend #2,; corre-red Condition Number from 6 to 5. Page 174, MOTION to Amend 1131, corrected "now" Condition No.. 3 from 9, 3. Page 174. T'he inser io(t of the City of Plymouth Conditional Use Permit, prior to V e star. t of "NEW BUSIN SS`s This was inadvertently dropped at the time of printing and has been Itfitted in as the last Puhll.e: Nearing Item, 4. Page 176, SUBSTITUTE MOTION to approve Service Station Signage ste si igle Pylon Sign with price sign not to exceed 96 sq. ft., to include a E. variance for the second sign face on the pylon." Igo CITY OF PYT PLANNING COMI SIGN MINUTE X1.Y 13, 1988 T e, Rv-wlar Meeting of the Plymouth Planni o Commission was called to order at 7.50 P.M. RS, PRESENTm -chairman rauba, Commissioners Wire arrived at 7.45 P.hl Stv!.1berg., Zyl.la, Plufka, Matt-'fsky and Ti.-r114.,y Muff3ERS ABSENT None STAFF PRLXNT Community Development Coordinator Chuck C3.11erud Cite Engineer Chet Harrison Public Works director Fred Moore Planning Secretary Crac:e Wi.neman MINUTES Motionby Cammissa.oner Plufka to place Mems 6'-8 and 6-C on the Consent Agendas Motion died for lack of seconds Commissioner Zyila stated he wanted further information and a discussion ori Item b -C. A resident stated he would he interested in hearing discussion concerning Item 6-8. NDTION TO APPROVES MOTION by , Cmmissloner Plufka, seconded by Conmissioaer St'ulberq to approve th, uno 22, 1988 Minutes as submitted. VOTE - NDTION CARRIED VOTE. 7 Ayes. MOTION carried. PtfBLXC HEARINGS Chairman Pauba introduced the request, No representatives UNITS PROPERTIES/ were present to speak on this item. The consensus of the LAUkXA DEVELOPMENT Commission was to defer thic report until Uie end of the SIGNAGE FLAN FOR Public Hearings, lfolloy inq Item 5..I . PARKERS LAKE NORTH POD (87,006) Chairman Pauba introduced the request for extension of a K & ER SERVICE canopy over the existing pump island and a variance to allow FOR LIW ;IN(. FOR encroa h-nent into the front yard setbac" ;r Reading of the AMDCO STAIfON FOR July 6, 1 88 staff report was waived. , McUITI ON&L 11SE PERMIT AMCNDW: iT A40 Chairman Pauba introduced Mr Mike Eicher., Pump & Meter who SITE FLAN (8€050). - stated he is confused about t,ie development of thoroughfares it the City a'nd' that they were not aware., nor had they been told about the actual" plans for _ the construction and improvement to thoroughfares in this area. Mr. Eicher rooted that the "Holiday" gas station has a permit for vIrtuall.y the same thing Amoco is requesting. Mr. Eicher stated ,the owner is conderned because of the contract with Amoco, and he questions if in 'fact the tank replacement would not be more important than the canopy' 157- Paw, '156 planning Commission Miriuti;s my 13" 198? They want to know what impact there will be to this site from the present and future thoroughfare plans, Coordinator Dil.l.erud stated that the t:aftks can be replaced under the current permit; hvweve , the amendment and the var'at ce conebrns the extension of tt canopy. tor. Eicher confirmed that the canopy issue has brought about the staff concern and recommendation for Jeni,al, and, he reg Iteratted the concern that 'they were unaware 01" ILhe severity o, the impact to this property by the `City's plans for road const vctit) n Public Works Director Fred Moore responded that the thoroughfare planning is a major issue that has a bearing on the reque te; ! ` ariaAice. ,Iighway 55 is a major arterial, South Shore Drive and19' h Aversue Horth are major col.l.ec- Ors; access to create Highway 55 will be limited by ch ngcs to th(- intersections. Since s 72,. the Thoroughfar plan :has shown projected road improvements and construction._ He noted that proposed development plans by Ryan Construction and the developer of the g if course property, in that same area, has resulted in traffic studios that reflect needed improvements to the street,; system network. For example improvements to the inwersection of South Shore Drive and State <Highway 55 would be need;",J by 1995, based on approved, development. Work on these development plans is underway at this time., The .intersection is not in the 5 -year Capital Improvement; Programs (Clt'), but as development goes on, this Kill, be rev.ie'Wed, t Mr. Moore explained that there are no firm design plans. Thi-f are two items affecting the existing drive from this facility that are definite; South ;shore Drive will be closed with no access to Highway 5 ' and the frontaqz road will need to be closed at; South Shore Drive with access from the east, f back to tho north. The requested variance would put the canopy to the frontage road. where it would conflict with changes to the thoroughfare confiqurat:i.on in this .area.' Mr. Richard Lina, Applicant., inquired what would he left to the site for access, the r' need answers -to ' protect their business.: He stated that he had reviewed Plan A-2 for the frontage road between the trailer court and the station, and was toldi earlier this sprints that, this- was the plan of choice, . fie is concerned that: they have been left in the dark over this. Commissioner Zy1la stated he does hot disagree: with the future roadway modifications that impact the , property, but It seems that the staff report is too strop in, .its recca stenda:tion which is based upon an uncertain future date. lie suggested that if the Commission consideration is for denim, that the first two bases list;eo in the staff report draft: recommendation be deleted, as It is not;: fair to base their recommendationion on something that may be far into the- fut: ure -, Page 15 P anning COM4,4 5sl.on Minutes July 13, 19SA Chairman Pauba opened the Public Nearing, as there was no one present to spec ott his item, the 'Public Hearin was jfs lt/eds Commissioner 14arofsky sta4ed he concurs with Commissioner Zyila and that the Commission recommendation most, be based upon current -use. MOTION by Commissioner Z'y la, setlonded by Commissioner W111 11 TO DE:Y Marof sky to recommend denial of the Conditional Use Permit Amendment and Vfariance for Pump & Meter Service, Inc.,, deleting items 1 and 2 from the staff recommendation. Commissioner Wire asked about road alignment and plans for the frontage road. Director Moore exrl ilned the; proposed: cul-de-sac to the east for access tv s property. The frontage road is owned by the State of xsota and changes would occur with additional, lanes ten Highway 55= Commissioner Wire confirmed that under ; .most arty future plan,;; the frontage road would become a grass median ane there will be the need to redesign the access to the se vice station Commissioner Stul.berg and Co". issioner Marofsky ,inquired if the action to deny would take away or in any way affect the existing permit. Coordinator Di,.,l lerud stated it would not. Commissioner Zylla confirmed that the recommendation: is to not grant the variance, but would not negate the existing Conditional Use Permitter Rall Call. Vote. Commissioners ti ire and Stu1berq2 xray. 5 VOTE ' MOTION CARRIED Ayes. MUTON carried. Chairman Pauba zn4roduced the item. Coordinator' Dillerud ChRLSON PIROPERTIES provided n overview o the duly 5. 1988 staff" report and T,t NARY FINAL; commented that Resolution No. 80-648 called for the filing F LAI SITE FLAN of uov na rLs regarding ;; the parking at this site, City AMENDWNT AND, records do not: reflect that these -:ovenants were filed on CONDITION& 'U, the property,, He suggested that acondition be added to the PERMIT W056) recommendation by the Commission that d rocis confirmation on the restrictive covenants. Commissioner Marof sky inquired about the original plat -how. ing a' portion ' as part of Y ighway 55 and inquired if: this road right-of-way had been dedicated. Coordinator Dil.lerud noted that the right -of- fay was in place at that gime and no dedication would have been made to the State of Minnesota, l Pate 161 Planning Commission < Minutes Kly 15, 198 Final Plat. for Minneapolis Industrial Pai k 3rd Addition to ascertain tWn proposal duesnot incl"de dedicated fight-of toy. Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes. Commissioner P: ofka Nays, VOTE - MOTION CARRIED Commissioner Plufka stated he does not see the necessity t remove any trees. The residential neighbors near this ndust0al property have prat; up with the development of the industrial buildings and deserve' to have the natural buffer and screening they have today. MOTION, by , Commissioner Marofskcy, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO TAEBTE Plu.fka to recommend the ` Site Plan and Conditional. Use Permit be tabled for further rev:leww° following the Connissi.on' direction to staff to determine the. pet tioner* s compliance with Condition No Q of Revolution No. 0-A646, that restrictive covenants be prepared, in a fora approved and reviewed by the City Attorney and tiled against the sites, to limit proposed uses within structures which do not provide for maximum parking as required by Ordinance,, and to report their finding; zo the Commission. Commissioner Stulbercl noted that the petitioner may question whether the commission would grant a favorable recommenda- omeptionforthisSitePaanifinfactthepetitionerhascom- ied , with the eonuition in Resolutlon No. 0"648i Heplied called for a consensus of the Commission. ell C&I Vote. 7 Ayes. MOTION carried. Con is,sioner Zylla asked that the; Commission be given copies of the reports from the Fire. Marshal _concerning the parking problems in that they would show the need for additional parking spacers for this site. Chairman Pauba introduced the request. An overview of the UNITED PROPERTIES dne 28, 1985 staff report was provided by Coordinator PUD PRELIMINARY Pte/ Di.11erud. PLAT Axl C ITION& USE PERMIT FOR Commissioner i,arofsky inquired about the category into which TONE CENTEW1 this articular zoposed shopping area would fit, ' in light 68065) of tf staff ca erns and ?.tie number= of conditions involving design, Clordi.nat6h Lillmd explained that in developing the staff report, he looked to the specific l.nguage of the PUD Ord0a;noe and tried to addra ss the uses as proposed. C'oamissi,oner Wire Inquired about Wi traffic study ,end the concerus addressed In that & tudy Parc. r Planning Commission Ninutr ,s ly 13t 1988 Ptiol ie 'forks Director red Moos -r-? e . a tned that no traffic study had been done In 1984 with the review of ne original proposal for the retail. -center. 11ht traffic analysis at that time equated to a l - 14,000 sq.. tt.shopping area and that some assumptions were made as to 4-;ies. The latest t a fz : anal,ysi.s is biased on the increa ci square footage of this latest proposal, and on other ohantie-_ in this area that would see an increasein traffic from pL*oj%ctions made Chairman `'auba Int:r,,nduced Mr. Tom Bi.sanz, *,1R1ted Properties. ; Mr. F31sanz intruluced his, leve opmert t.am, t r ri lkson, 11 E; 1 •^hit uts- Dal GIowa, nited's Colpo a e C-eritt-,r and Gene Ernst, Landscape ?fir,-hiteet. Mr. Ron ''riokson, KKE A chi.tects, off,red clan fication c;n`: the u es proposed and. the -raff.ic gunerati n. lie noted th A this development is similar and conbistent -nth the zoninri On this property from 1983 throt-tqh 1987. Ne rvst.ed the l,i.st, o proposed use, are those also listed in ,: e C1t- IS background nfr oration o-ri this portion of the PLtixti t Unit' p€v l.opr era t r: Erickson stated tnat: there is obviously smiething wv)nq ivi%:h the traffic rep_rt.. The plans as proposed are mn-re refin-ed, and sen:At:i„v°e to the ne ghborhood and surrounding areas. The purpose of t-ze Orel -nigar plat ap,-)roval is to; allow trhe# developer to exot in tt,, deorel<,pment plan, and they have chosen to go bey^nO what i. visually submitted at; this pstagetoprovide the Comni.ssion with more detail so that direction from tlae Commission could assist them in provi.dinq the hest development plan for final consideration. Mr. Erickson showed the 19 plan, pointi.nq out the Sj7-ej and, showed the site pian as approved iNx 1967. 'He that there wire rip, dramatic chances between th= sA I proposals, H,e notetx. that the plan now propos•, cW is a dcslgn with the n'ei.gnborhood In ml;id; access is to .22nd Avea,.Ue North (which is very close to the \:)riginal plan); two buildings are planned at 20,000 sq. ft. and 5,400 sq. ft.; the d z;i9n shows buffering fr m the parking; the circulation to the site is easy .nd safe: and, the parking areas are ? aay from hL residential n ic hbzirhoods to the east., The access is p1 arae cC for -Uie rear ; of the buildings an, they I believe this is a workable solution. The building is setbac with a buffer, and the service en. range would be to V1i(*sbutjL Lane.- .In r eference t ,calf they would oonsider an alternate. Mr. Erickson explained the building and site layout. 1 In reference to the "cattle crossing" L qder Vick8burg Lane, 0 be used for a pedestrian crossiioi, tt;e pet tlon\r is not in favor of this crossing, but has included it In the Page 164 Planning Commission Minutes July 15, 1988 Roger Be e,r, I§.6125 26th Avenue North, stated his home abuts Fox Run," and when the plans were made for this Planned' Unit Dekeelooment in 198Z, the City steed 1,)ere would be rrrall'" conyen encecenter,, not a 26,000 sq, ft, shopping' mall. There is more than adequate sh4cpping for this area that nas been developed or will develop in the near future such as at Highways 101 and 6, and the "Downtown Plymouth" area. He believes this proposal is :"overkill." He had concern with the traffic on Vicksburg Lane, the 50 mph speed limit is `dan,4erous and should be lowered. He reiterated that as proposedl the commercial area is "too big."' Barry 'Winston, 16005 26th Avenue forth, stated he has been attending Commission and Council meetings since the earl 1980's and: agreed with Mr. Beyer that the City had always` told him this would be a "small." convenience center. He stated the matter had been discussed as to the need: for this shopping area and the City stated it was needed for the walking traffic"; he does not see the need for a' qas tatien in that case Chairman Pauba closed the Public 'Hearing. MOTION by Commissioner Plufka, seconded by Commissioner WTION TO APRVIS Zylla to recommend approval ` for the HPOD Preliminary Plan/' Pta.t subject to the ten conditions- listed in the )une 28, 1988 staff report'. Commissioner Plufka asked that, not withstanding Condition No. 4,, the rec rdi ti ow a recommendation to the City Council that the plans for the "cattle cro,sinq" be abandoned. Cori issi,oner Pl;uf'l(a further stated that this plan is sub- stantially the same: as those seen originally and is no more than ' iwhai was contemplated witn the development of this area. TI -he plan shows no provision for any large scale tenant such as with a typical reg.onal/area foodstore. His concerns would be for a resolution to, the matter of. the cattle oarossing"",7 and no access to Vicksburg Lane or at least approval for an exit only. Coomissi.oner Marofsky concurred, stating that the scope of this proposal is essential 114 the sane as` seen with previous plans. He sees some pr(ffiem` with building design. and. that the site desi,n should not attract traffic from i.cksb;.,rg arae, but should emphasize the access from 22nd Avenue North Commissioner Plufkasaid he believes it '(s better to .have the commercial face toVicksburg mane, P cle 165 Planning Commission Mi nu tes Jul y j .:'_, 198 Commissioner Maxofsky stated that" even t rough it wou d be addressed <,ter, there should be some limitation regarding signage, and specifically "no siqnage on Vicksburg Lane." 1e had, cartcz.rn with the uses as proposed and questions a onveniencc store at 23,000 sq. ft. He suggested approved uses be based on si e and inquired if there would be some greater use that would requi.re a Conditional Use Permit?.He jicited: that the listed tenaatt- types include a real estate offfc ,. liquor: store, hardware store, electrical aPpl,iz nces,, cominutters and office supplies tie su9jestedthese are not neighborhood uses and this should- be addressed up front. 10TION by (Commissiuner Mai-ofsky, seconded by Commissioner 143TION TO AWNS` Wire to Amend, the Motion by; adding ,the following _condition: Vere shall. be .no signage allowed on Vicksburg Lane. Mr. Tom Bisanz inquired if *he sigr,4:ge could, be left for review with the final puns and *Lf at this tioe;' -they ,could address some other specifics with the Commission Commissioner Plufka explained that they have the ootipn to come back with a .final plan includifig signage, and convince this body there should be sign&ge on Vicksburg Lane. Mr. Tom Bisanz stated that ho agrees with Mike Pflaum's corgi-. menu regarding. the "ca d' Gi e _cross no"_ e s tea ted they have met with the Parks and Recreation Director concerninct alter- natives to the tunnel, their preference would be for an above-grade pedestrian-way. Mr, 81saczz be? levies the,proposed uses are compatible with neighborhood shopping area: they have accommodated the resi- dents by the use of berming and landscaping for screening and buffering? Their plan shows 3 - 4 ft. undulating berms. flr. B sant stated that identification signage is needed and they+ would' want the flexibility to came back with a defini< give plan. They have not spent time on a signage plan and would provide uetalls with final: site plans. Commissioner Marofsky explained he is merely providing direr longi however, the developer must ctnderstand there is rzo guarantee that signage on Vicksburg Linewill be approved. L The signage; should,not be designed to attract vehicles from, the high traffic area;, to do so would make this commercial development much more than a "small" retail neighborhood center, Kull Call Vote on Amendment. 2 Ayes. Commissioners OTE ON AWHOWNT tul.berg, Zylla; Plufka j T eraey, a.-xd Chairman Pauba, Nay, NOTION FAIL MOTION failed. Page 166 Planning Commission Minutes July 131, 105 MOTION by Commissioner Marofsl,y, seconded by Commissioner NOTION TO W Wire to Amend the Motion to add the following condition. Provide substantial screenlntl and berma.ncl of the buildings Trom Vicksburg Lane Commissioner Stulberg stated he concurs with Commissioner Marofsky, butt may be b?st, to list these concerns and give direction to the petitioner without oakincx them conditinris Of approval at this staoe, Commissioner Wire stated there is no other way to handle this except by Rotion, Mr. Tom Bisaaz suqqested they would take rotes, and provide the options as discussed and directed, however, they .could pv efer-these not be made'` cvondit;ions of approval. Commissioner Plufka agreed with Comm ssioner Wire that specific direction matt, be the consensus of the Commission, it would not be reasonable to assume that alterations to a propos,il would be done based on the statements of one person Roll Call, Vote, 2 ayes. Commissioners Stu,lberg, Zyll.aj VOTE - HOTION FAILED Plufka, Tierney .end Chairman Pauba, Playa MOTION failed. Mc t.ort by Commissioner to amend theVa: t gIinMotionadding a condition to ` limit business -types to on'.y permitted. uses end allowing no B-2 condi.tional uses., the• Motion died For lack of second Motior, by Commissioner Marofsky to amend the Main Motioru ddinci a condition that the Final Plan shall be based only upon the ,resort proposed uses; uses other than those pro -=- posed would require a Conditional Use Permit Motion dies for lack of second. MOTION by Commissioner,Zyl.la, . seconded by Commissioner NOTION TO AMEN 1lufka to amend the Pain Motion by adding Condition No. 11 The Final Plan will be re-evaluated concerningconcerning access to Vioks?--erg Lane and' will include possible alternatives for service vehicles. Pommission r Marofsky stated this may be contrary to what is outlined in the Engineer's Memorandum,, Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes, Commissioner Wire, Nay. VOTE - NOTION CARRIED Commissioner hire stated that he disagreed with the idea for a service road off Vicksburg taneY Mr. Ron Erickson stated that in today's market, all conven- ience stores dispense fuel. and there would be no other type of convenience store; Roll, Call Vote on Main' Motion as once :Amended 7 :Ayes. VOTE - H H YbTION MOTION carried., 2TIO CA1RIE0 Page 167 a i J Planning Commission Minutes Lml.y , 198 Commissioner Wire stated he, is concerned about the parkin on-site; the size of the building wants assuranee there would be e substandard pa king, and, would proteose that there be a speclflz li htinq treatment,; for this site to reduce glare and prevent spill into the res.dential ares. Core A orner Stulber !eta ted his concerns are that there b more Uidn adequate screening to Vi.eksburg Lane, that there be review of the siq.naq plan; and., that attention be q iven to the uses and hours of operation as this a critical issue. Chairman Rauba called a Recess at 9,55 P.M. RECESS Chairman Pauba Galled the meeting to order at 10* -00 P.M. Chairman Pauba introduced the request by Peter Rohman for a PETER Ram Home Occupati Page 168, Planninq Coni mis:-ion Minutes IVly 13, 198 Commissioner Stulbem stated he would like to see the slides takers by staff, these were shown to the Commission-.: Commissioner Marofsky confirmed that only one vehicle was brought to the site and 'that the employees do carpool, Chairman Pauba opened the Public Hearinq,, noting that the peti,ten submitted by the residents is part of the public record. Rich Burger, 14.35 Shadyview Lane, lives across County Road 6 and Chas b;en .in residence since April this year.. He was ho t.hered by the commercial traffic from Highway 12 and the loading an off-loading do near h.s former home He moved to get away from this type of operation and was very surprised to get a notice that the City would consider approving a business operation from A home In this area. He talked with his neJ9hb{.nrs and they decided to start a petition 'to submit to the City stati.nq their concerns. He noted this is not ' a personal, thing, he has nothing against Hr. Rohman, but < does consider this type of business as inappropriate for a residential neighborhood. The activity level and noise is bothersome; them is equipment parked in the woods and she site is disorganized, and uoat- tractive, The site is not completely screened from County Roar, 4 and would be unsightly in winter. He stated ` that Mr. Rehman had been loading and unloading equipemnt on Ranier Lane which was disturbInq. lie believesthe site activity is at a much higher level than' explained by the petitioner. He is interested in the restrictions that can be imposed on this business; and, requests that the equip- ment. be moved to a commercial area. Chairman Pauba explained the conditions of approval for a Condi tionai Use Permit, and that any changes to the Homy Occupation would .require a re -hearing and re-evaluation by the Commission ind City Cbvncil. Dave Meilen; 135 'troy lane, stated than this business is operating now and no on has stopped it, even though Mr. Rahman has no permit, This type of business ha!: no place in a residential neighborhood. There are ,safety factors wi,tt the ,q .!pment being, "-attractive nuisances,, to children play- ing in the pare nearby4 He believes the appearance- of the property detracts Prom the propert.y values for ' the other Domes in the neighborhood. W E. Saloyloh,, 1750 troy Lane, has, lived in his home since 90 and opposes the granting of this Conditional Use Rermi, t This area is a. beautiful part of Plymouth and hav- i.nq a business here would affect the residential character of the area. c=t 7ge 17 Planning Commission minutes July 13, 1988 Roll Call Voter: 7 Ayes. MOTitiri carried. MITE MOTION CARRIF0 Chairman Pauba introduced the request, reading of the June KAROLD K. LEYSE 1988 staff report was waived. Chairman Pauba introduced RPUD PLA. Ali, Mr. Leyse who explained his application to add a third stall COWI:TIONAL USE onto his garage. He did ' riot believe this would set a PERKTOWNT precedent:, as various n i.ghbo.s have three car garages, but 813076 they do not have a uniquely shaped lot such as he owns.The cul--de-sad curve shortens the lot depth it the garage. He stated tett if the recommendation is fcr denial, ' he would appreciate the time to bri.nq in, pictures and slides of tris property 'For reconsideration of his application. He noted that the Notice sent to property= owners wasincor- rect in that it stated 35 ft., rather than 30 ft. He explained that the sLdff report, was not; available to h=im until. friday after 3:00 P.M., and that he was ; asked to respond to that report on that same l"riday. The information given to him relative to the Variance Criteria. was from a different section of the Ordinance, and he would like 'to respond to the criteria established for his variance request. He stated that he meets the criteria established r for hardship and unIqueness,, and that the proposal. will not set a precedent. Mr. Leyse .is unaware of anyneiahbor that would be opposed to his variance request. Cotmissioner Plufka inquired if the garage addit on would follow the existing roof line. Mr L,eytsie stated it would drop down to some degree and the same sfiinq es, brx k and siding will be used to blend D - a h the exist ze g strue-ure.. Commissioner Tierney inquired .if the adai,tion could be recessed# Mr. Leyse stated' that perhaps could be accomplished, but would ncessitate the removal of existing landscaping andtrees which would' be very expensive Commissioner Plufka noted that "hardship" ; s not part of the consideration of a Conditional:, Use permit. Mr. Leyse reiterated that he dial not receive the appropriate variance criteria to address with: his narrative. Chairman Pauba opened the Public Hearing) as there vas no one present to speak on the item., the Public Heating was closed. MOTION by Commissiont r Plufka, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE S"t.ulberq to recommend approval for the Re "idential planned Unit Developments Plan and Conditional bse Permit Amendments for Harold Leyse, ' based on the Conditional Use Permit c iter .a of the Ordinance, that the proposal would Z t n adverse prt;cedent because of the unique situation of this Lot with the cul-de-sac .sac curve and wooded area on the lot. Page 171 plana ng Commission Minutes July 13s 1988 Roll Call Vote.. 6 Ayes. Chairman Pauba, Nay. VOTE -- 'HOTIO: CARRIED Chairman Pauba stated he is uncomfortable with this action w'thin a Planned Urdi it Developanetat, as the PLIO criteria need$. special consideration. Cna G-man Pauba introduced the request., reading of the July WILLIAX MNSINGER: 71 4988 staff report was waived. Ct ITIONA.. USE PERMIT (88078). Chairman Pauba introduced Mrs William Hunsinger, who explained that he operates a gymnastic school in New Hope that has a, Conditional Use Permit. His students are from years to adults and they now want to open a satellit P to serve additional students, They require certain ceiling clearance and have certain area for equipment so that; they are limited as to a buil.dinq they can use. They have many studcntr from the Plymouth area. They have been in business for 15 years In an industrial ;area in New Hope. As their aotivi flies take place during off -hours they do riot conflict with the parking andlor traffic in the area during business hours. They also operate on Saturday morning. They plan to occupy approximately 4, 00 sq¢ ft. in Plymouth; ' New Rope would remain their main facility. Chairman Pauba opened the Public Hearing. Mr. Andy Schaefer, 330 Znd Ave. So.,, has been working %ith t r. Munsinger to find space available in this area for the gymnastic school - He, noted other 4ym`type operations in Plymodth and surrounding communities MOTION by Commissioner Plufk , seconded by Commissioner Vire LOTION TO APPROVE t recommend approval for the "ond tio al Use Permit for William Munsinger, subject %o the conditions 11sted in the July 7, 1988.staff report and adding that the hours of operation be from 8:00 A.M. to 10:00 P.M. Comim ssionear Plufka stated that the Ordinance would not recognize the unique needs of such a business and this site is next to a retail area. Roll Call. Viae. 6 Ayes. Commissioner Marofsky, Nay. VOTE MOTION CARRIED Commissioner Marofsnv stated that the proposal does not meet the strict Ordinance requirements' to operate in the il. dustrial. Distract of tie City. Chairman Pauba introduced the .request and reading of the L(WIXREK BRCTiiERS July 61, 1988 staff repot was waived. LVNSTWJCTION CO. CONDITIONAL USE Chairman Pauba introduced ter. Michael Pflaum, Lundgren PERMIT AMIENOWNT 3rothers Constructionon Co., who explained the setbacks as FOR VICKSWI RG WEST ! proposed are needed so than the monument signs are visible MONUNENTi SIGNS when approaching! the Fox Run and Steeplechase developments. _ 88 i8t1 ; Page 1 Planning Commission hinutes, ZJFLAIy 13, 1988 Chairman Pauba opened the Public flearingv as there was xt one present to speak on this item? the Public Hearing was closed, MOTION by Commissioner Zyl. ta, secon0ed by Commissioner MOTION TO WIROVE Plufka to recommend approval: of the Condittonal Use Permit Amendment, for Vicksburg West Planned Unit Geve1-ooment for Lundgren Brothers Cons ruc ion Company,, subject to the conditions :as listed in, the duly 6, 1958 staff report, Roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes: MOTION eirried. ; VOTE - HOTION CARRIED Chairman Paubd re -introduced the first item on the agenda UNITED PROPERTIES Reading of the July -, 19815 staff report was waived. LAUKCA DEVELOPHEN CONDITIONAL USE Chairman P uba introdt,,;ed Mr. Tom Bisanz, United Properties, S RNIT A1-NUNENT MD who Introduced' Mr. Gene. Ernst, landscape architect, to VARWCE FOR SIGNAX explain the proposal. r Ernst showed exhibits and FOR I`'ARKE S LAKE explained that the ,project size, and ",therefore the scale of NORT14 X87006) signage, is an important issue. Commissioner Plu-Oka confirmed the proposal for six signs, one on each ;jade. Pyr. Ernst explained they are deleting, the project: monument as ini,tfa.11y, proposed He showed the location of the signage 'and explained the signs proposed for Live med#fan, . They el ieye that with the exoess right-of-way required by the City 9 it as only > fair that they use a p rtaAon of this for signage. They propose ,landscaping i tt`ludi nq t.re s shrubs. and flowers and their plan will. how the "V' chicle sight aistances to indicate there 5 ill be Po sight 'Obstruction. He asked that; the record show their request is for 96 sq, !`t. -si nage for "Sian E Commercial. Signage"" and 96 sq, ft., signage for "Sigri D Industrial Signage It was confirmed there would be two Subdivision Signs for Mallard Pointe Commissioner Pl,ufka inqut.red w'I.A.her the comwerci.al signage would be the same oonfi.go--f)t1on as z.a .industrial. _sign (Sign E) . Mr, Ernst stated he could not answer' ;hose questions a this time Commissioner .`1,afka stated e Eike some indication of the exten- .end, design for the coatm;f'Z-cial signaq.e, or thatAt be rve-ved from the plans. Mir. Err 4 explained it was the into-itf to exclude oommiercial. signage; for discussion at this time. and to provide details with final development plansll Commissioner 1yil.a inquired if the petitioner was in agreement; with the conditions of approval other than the Issue with Condition No. 6, that no signage should be locat d in the street: right-of-way or median reas Page 173 rlalnalhg Commission iiznutes Duly 13, 198 Mr.rnst' stated that they are in agreement, with the following exceptions 1 Condition No. 4.$ with the e c pti.on, of the Subdiv- ision Monuments withir, the street right-of-way in t h:* medians. Clarification cf Condition No. 5,1 thdt, at this Viae they are asking only for approval of the size for the uommerci.al. signage. C 3. rondition No. 9 trf the staff' recommendation. Pauba opened the Public Hearinq, as there was no one present to speak on this iter, the pulffle Hearing was closed, 14011 -ON by Commissioner Stil!lberg2 seconded by Commissl.one,' 140TION TO XOPROVE dire to recommend approval, for the Amendment to the F l ni ed Unit: Development Preliminary Plan/Plat .and Final- Plan and ondit ona Use Permit for Parkers Lake North for a Master Sigin Plan, subject to the conditions listed in the Ju .y 9 19&1 staff report, with an addition 'to, Condi No ml that "Sign A - Project Monumentp is not part of the approv od plan." f4OT O'f4 by ovn isvi-loner 101flire, scconded by Coir m- 11- loner P t ufka MOTE -O i TO At NG to Amend the F61n Mo ti or by del etivr r Condi tion No» Commissioner Marofsw•y stated that he could not support the Motlon. He persona,; ly has had difficult=y seeing at paints where median sigoage exists and believes that visual obstruction would he a problem. Coordinator Oi lerud asked that Public Works Director 'Moore discuss the engineering concerns warding median signage. PuUis Warks D reotor Wore stated,, that there; , would be concern with sight lines and visna% obstruction and, the i sue of Fe ty Y It was the devel6;er ` s de -sire to have the large med ams, City staff did not require them. Neither staff nor Comission may grant_ a variance for ;the use of that r.ahtof-ray. The aT PI cation wiiJ ro;ecf t theCity ounci l wha would consider aid act upon sue h a request, , Tne Chair, recognized Larry Laukka, Lauki<a t eveloprment Company. He stated that the issue of the medians is ''o, h:1 storFy," Thv, signage plan is an important a sue find is Integral to these developments. The developers' , direction ro the consultant preparir~rg the sign plan was that the overall appearance of that signaoe be crisp and c.le4n and rovi `a continuity throughout to enhance tf'kese developi; ents. Page *067 PIey Aon, ng Comtril ss1. nt. tf inute s 3u 1 v13, ,, 1988 Roll ' wig. Vote on Amendment fit- Ayes. Cc:mmi.. loner VOID ->AHEWKTI. Stul.licrt,, Tierney, and t arofsky,- Play. MOTION carri.d. MOTION CARRIED MOTION by CCim,*.q*k i lbier Pluf a,, seconded by Chairman Pa.sba to M-1 ION TO ANEW lend, the Pain 'lotion by adding the following to Conidi tion No. S. No ppr c al is hereby= granted For size. location, or desip for the sicinage labeled tt Commercial. Signage1" depleted for a location within lutlot K, of Parkers Lake North 909. Com,missi.oner Marcfskyr Staked ne has a problem with no pro- posal or Ithe icommiercial sic,nage_ and could not vote for thisposal Master pl,v witliout revxewin,- a detailed commercial signage plan, Roll Call V-7-te on AmendrietflL. 6 Ayes. Commissioner VOTE - AMENDMENT Zs Marofsky, Nay. TION CARRIED LOTION; by Commissioner Plufka., seounded by Commissioner WTIGN TO AWND Zy1la to Amend thy; Main Motilon by Thar%%; *.ng for;di tion No. 8 A,o read.: Flo approval is aranted ter implied, tither barnbasede-41qn, of sic,s.labeled "tertit,,ryd" Sign -size, looatioin, and amcajot shall he addressed with site specific final plans. Roll Call Vote on Amendment 7 Ayes.. MOTION car. -1 ied. VOTE --NOMENT 3 Roll Call Vote onfsaxn Motion istf,.-ee timesAmeifed. 6 COTE, - 'KAIN MOTIONAS Ayes. _wmmssioner'11arwiskys Nay. SOT11T14iN-a yd, R5 TW—SAW-WED Chairmantan Pau\ba introduced the request, r add, cf the e l CI.T' O' "LYM06 7, 1988 sta.f rtoort was waived. CONDITIO"AL USE PEMXiIOALTER Chairmsaii P'auba opened the Poblic: Hearing, as there wa6 no THE Fi. DWAY (8608? , one present to spQci;r oil this Item, the Public Hear ng was lcsed. MOTION by Commissioner seconded by CoMr lssioner WTION TO APPROVE Tierney to; recommend approval for the Conditional, 1'se Permit to allow the alteration of the Flondway to construt.t "new" 10tn Avenue Norrii subjcot to the ,onditions listed t:n the July 71 1988 s a'f report. roll Call Vote. 7 Ayes, KO I Utz . *rrie`l VOTE .. HOT.ION CARRIED NEW 011SINL:SS Chairman Pauba introduced the request* Reading of the July DAVID C. JOHNSON 3, 1988 staff report was waived. Chai.rninn Pa,Aba requested 11TE PR, , kH AWNDMENT the t Coordinator 0111erud provide: an everylew if the July All VA 1I4%4CE FOR 3, 1988 14emorandwi distr1bw1 , to arse Commission. MTSk `,)X\GH PL&H 10AW006 SQUARE" Q86 7 4't'!'il r`1!`i WLei"ra- `=''Wr:`li l. l.... .....:. y Page 175 Pl:anninq CommlsL5ioa Minutes July 13= 195 Coordinator D ll.erud e-,.pl.ained the omission conc.rnino the service station signage. Chairman P uba inquired: about the fact there are no comments regarding the parking variance: Coordinator Rillerud stated that this was not overlooked, i was not reviewed for this report Chairman Pauba introduced Mr. dale Simonson, representing the petitioner. Mr. Simonson showed slides of the site and explained the proposal. Chairman Marofs -y listed size and type of signace for the sbopping center dnd the service station, aAd inquired if the petitioner iv aware they could be waiving signage, to whxci they are entitled by action on this request Coordinator Oil,l.erud explained that tie service st-ition has a separate sign plan, Commissioner Wire inquire6- why the building design is dictating the size of the sl viage. Discussion emued regarding the need for specific signage for the servicestation `and shopping center Commissioner Wire stated that the variance could be reduced since the use of the larger UNOCAL "orange ball' would pro- vide adequate identity, VUMON by Commi.ssi .,er Stul. erg seconded b "'o-anis'sioner MT10N TO DENY Wire to recommend denial of the, Site Plan Amendment and SITE PLANAMENDMENT Variance for the Master Sign Plan for the Oakwood Shopping FUR SiCN PLAN'FOR Center,, as staged in the draft recommendation. OAKWOOD SHOPPi"G CTR. MOTION by Commissioners Stulberg seconded by Commissioner, MOTION TO DENY Wire to recommend denial of the Site Plan Amendment and SITE PLS AMENDMENT Varig ;m for _ the Master Sian Plan for the Oakwood Square FOR SIGN PLAN FOR UNOCAL Service Station. SEWViCE STATION The Commission noted that during the early stages of development, the staff, Manning Commission, and City Council stated concerns regarding the site and building design that could have shortcomings that would .result in future requests for variances from the Ordinance standards Rr"r Dale Simonson asked for ,she opportunity to speak ^egard- ing the need for a price sign for the gas station. e stated that all service st ,tigns are alloweu th s signage and it seems unfair to denythis station what all other, stations in the metroarea have. He Hated that the shopping center is a complicated issue. The roofline and the pitch that were design features to make this center compatible with the residential nature of the area affects the wail area for signage, Page 176 Planning Commission Minutes July 1 , . explain the uni I of thv shopping- center. 11 r Krause stated that cooiPatibility with the neighborhood was the goal of this architecture'. The tenants were no known durinq the earl lerdere. oilmen phases ht eve'r they now have 'mens for some tenant s,ace the nehhors who'werel 41Lsqruntled,the redevelopment of this corner have bad nothing but positive reaction to the' shop In renter, e elleyes they, are being penalized on this $4qq `Issue. Mr- Simonson explained that the problem stwo-folRdt the roofline that proy ides lesswall area, and the fao t that there are two more tenants than anticipated." He stated 'that. his is no fault of either the City .gar th e develo erg 1e noted that the'; lyd nanee, b na urea is inflexible. He agreed ha the o i a1 subraiss bn needed o be cuts ao j, however, they request the use off the square foetaae allowed for a normal parapet wall.. ur her discussion ensued. UBSTI UTE NOTION by Commissloner t4arofsky, seconded 4v Cori--; S013STITUTE TIO ' IDi ss Ion r Pl.ufka to approve the ervIce atio lgrlage ' or TU -APPROVE SERVICE a single Pylon qn: -with p oe slg11' ho to exceed 96 s . STA N -NAGE f . , to,,include a varix L oe for the sceon sign fa,4e' on the, p, Rola. Call Vote. 4 Ayes. Commissioners WUre-tul:berq, and VOTE 0 -TIO CfR ED Zyl la, , Nay* MOTION 'carried. BSTITU`I' 'MOTION by Co imissioner Plufka ' s.econdeld by o:r- 185"I7U MOTION TO miss over Zylla to amend % 1 aan o it n to allow a 4" s. APPROVE € f t. total for s1gnage, and, o allow one pylon Sign with no SlARF_ $ jNG nd, v:t ual tenant s qns for the i akwood hoppinq Center'. CENTER SIGNAGE boli. Call Vote;:: 2Aye Commissioners, Wire,, Stulberq` erney Maro.f.sky; -and Chairman, auba. Nay. MOTION failed. Y4T - i"C'N A U Main Io.. Ayes MOT-100-earedT01. Cell Vote n rio WT1tTAY C NTE PLAN, MW ION CARRIM Charman Pauba introduced the request by the City of CITY Oft PLY1M00,4 P yrro+u h fora .ot Division and. Variance o colhs ruct a Ci DIVISION A Water to es keadi'nq of he un , 1' 8_8 staff report was VARIANCE (6806)) wa,ed Pate 177 Planning Commissionon Minutes July 13, 1988 MOTIOR Vy Coz ,,s onar -ylla, tided by Commis oner MOTION TO APPROVE Tierney to recommend approval of the Lot Division and Variance from the Ordinance standard fog, street froatage for the Citi. of Plymouth td allow thy. construction of a water tower,, subject 'to the conditions as listed and based o compliance with the; variance crl Ceraas 'stated in the dune 28, 1988 staff report. Vote. 7 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIED Chairman Pauba introdu(,ad the request and .reading of the CITY OF PLYHOUTH July 71 1988 staff report was waived, LOT DIV SION1 CONSOLIOATION AND Commissioner Zylla i.ngL4red why this would not be consoli- VARIANCE (88075) dated as r`iid a, baildahg s.ttes, and why, the Cit was just transferring the hand to property owners, He staters concern that this property 's,hould have been appraised and sold Coordinator Dillerud expl,airied that since this property was donated to the City, and 6th Avenue North is a collector street, the City does not want lots with direct access to 6th AvenueNorth. This action puts the property back on tete tax rolls without creating an access problem. on a thorough- fare street. Maintenance and assessments were discussed. MOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded' by Commissioner MOTV-1s M AWROVE Marofsky to recommend approval for the Lot. Division/ Consolidation for the City` of ' Plymouth, si;bjeot to tine conditions listed in the July 71 19813 staff report. Vote, 6 Ayes. , Commiss ones Zylla, flay, VOTE - MOTION CARRIED OLD BUSINESS Chairman Pauba introduced the request and explained that a VANTAGE COMPANIES letter received 'Front the Berkshire Lane Co.rporat:s on Vice LAND USE GUIDE PLAN President ' had been: cieLlvered . the Commission, ayor, and A NDWNT AND PUD_ Council regarding the property adjacent to that under CONCEPT PLAN (88054) cosi i.derati on witk 'the Van tge Company proposal. Mr. Oohn ft. , wman., who signed the letter as Vice Pxesidentr stated before thL= beginning, of the meeting that he was no longer an officer of "the_ Corporation as of 6..00 P.M. this date; and there would be no one prespnt at this meeting to represent the Corporation., Chairman Pauba walv,(d the reading of the July 8, 1988 staff reports Page 17 Planning Commission Minutes July 13, 19$8 Chairman Pxnuba introduced Mr Kelly Doran, Vantage Company who explained the proposal, that now consists of 21 1/2 acres,;, rather t''r an the Fres as previously proposed. Commissioner Marofsky inquired about percentage of office use versus industrial use.. Mr. Doran stated It could be up to 70office.use. Mr. Doran stated they havo no problems ii.l'%Lh the conditions and he assured the Commiss=on that development would begin before the deadline of Augtist 1 ) 1989. MOTION by Commissioner Plus ka, seconded by Commissioneroner Wire MOTION TO APPROVE to recommend approval of the Land Usc CLUtc'e Plan Amendment, acid tho Mixed Planned Unit Development Concept, Plan for ktant,agr' Companies, subject to the conditions lasted in the July 81 1988 staff report. MOTION by Commissioner Karofsky, seconded by Chairman Pauba MOTION TO AME4) to amend the Main Motion by adding Condition No. 7 to, the MPUD Concept Plan approval as follogw.s, With the submittal of a PUD Final Plan/Plat, any industr idl use must receive a Conditional. Use Permit or such ocher spec fl!, use approval method as determined by the c.ty Attorney, and gnat a tenant list be submitted to the City of Plymouth to further fzis4ure the "N3 qh Tech" indust: lAal used proposed. Doran stated he had no problem with the doncept of this Motion, however, th- uses within this € istrict are fairly restrictive already. Di;cus ionensued r gar inq appropriate uses and en, orcemen t Vote on Amendment 1 Aye, 6, Nays. MOTION failed VOTE - .AMEMMEN ' MOTION FAILFO Vote on Main Motion l Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE -- MAIN MOTION MOTION CARRIED