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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 03-23-1988OF PLY ; I PLA t COWON HT' e r 1Out, aft n Cts lT Is #a Carman Pau al Com Iss nn r 1 a arsk af1d Tierney. MEMBERSABSENTS ComiIiissionOrs Ure,,, u b 1 0"d, Plijfka' r 'pT. Cuff 4nman rcr Blair Tmr ass"san nnr 3ohn Sweeney Planning Secretary Crate WI"te a w TE rte C mss n Ma of sky), sewed d by Commissioner o' O TO APPROVE i` yyiern6.« to approve h rout for March 1, f a subm 4 , VOTE A . Comp`:^t r ylla abstained,* CAS 4INC Cairrari Paha announu4 d that due to a time, rpra've for nen DrIs rya$ n.n a and, ation, u c heardlater t Chairman S`a,uka iirkid 7t, e'est. a:tart r 4ti Marchk, s a r p r as prc Ided C r nx ROBE T W C T D SIM 9 0,ELOP T m r 00DWff T Chairman. pau a a n r du d r. y cin Iede).., C4- *,--`"`«a,',. r+''pren.nC;lt§»..petitioner. Von d r d z d fir Bob Wd 01 apt, a i background ; is application- the unique opo rap' the a na e s ua lon ndaassured hays this developfm n W1 dray} /esujoompaiwiththebe Carman Paula opened the Public Heari,ri k F,i C s n : Crotid Laney,- iS anUce ne ytgg yCy j F# # a R.: Mtalfted 'N#. t is ion Rt it k +`i.T. 6a. ..r` antar a no rang rucrms. d'pmn we. die '.nu.r about Mption datestd the fin' the . pries o the homes near - the Cre sid Plymouth dLvelopmenv Page 66 l lanninu Commission 14i.nutes t`Rarch 2 3,. 198 Or. vc o tt 3ra tt,—n s 145' 40th place Northl, st ea ted concern with the extension of 39th Avenue North.,. Vehicles froom Rockford Road and Fernbrook Lane could consider this extension as a "short-cut" whi0h ;would produce heavier traf- fic raffcintheirresident:i :l neighborhood. also, he is con- cerned with the safety of the children who play near the streets and In the park - Chairman Fauba asked. Engineer Sweeney ;if vehicles traveling Fernbrook Lane or County Road ), would be app to use this street extension as a short-cut. Engineer Sweeney said this should not he the case; such -a circuitous residential route woold not save time for a dri,er, nor would it be qny easier to access County Road 9/Rockford Road. He noted that traffic signals will. be Installed at the intersection of County Road 9 and Fernbrook Lane which will alleviave the traffic problems people are seeing at this time. Director rvm. ere explained further that this street cofuiec- tion was planned prior to the development of the Cedar Ridge devea pment, and Is meant to serve all these, residential neighbpnccods;a. He agreed with Engineer Sweeney that people would trend to not use this street for a short -out: Co,n"i s.Ioher Marofsky pointed out that this street would carry neighborhood t:rafflo to 'Downtown Plymouth" and to access the major north/south and east/west roadways. Ms. Patty Bratten, 1460 40th Place north, :Mated she is more than aware of the heavy traffic on County Road 9 as it backs their property, they would not use this street to get to Coun y Road 9 and she is vary concerned about their children's safety since they often play in the street. Ms. Julie* Flo -ell, 3935 Harbor Lane, stated her opposition to the extension of 39th Avenue North which would be detrimen tial to the safety of ohi.ldren living in Cedar Ridge. She pointed out that the Cedar Ridge neighborhood would be at the bottom of a hill which could be a problem during the winter months, She i.ngoired where construction traffic will enter and exit for this new development; and whether it would Borne ,'through her neighborhood; . Director Tremere reiterated that the street connection is meant to carry local traffic; he explained the City's trans- portation, plan Russ Thour, 14635 39th avenue North, stated- -that the people from the tcwnhomes on the west would use this as a short; -cut and they believe this will pour too much traffic through t.heir neighborhood, He ;also stated concern. with The drain- fh I page 6 pl:anninq Commission tAi.nutes ale s?m- thiq deu l pr ertt site- and itiquirt d About, the Iwai on the east sande. He stated this has overflowed and caused floodinq in tfo past. He inquired Miether the culvert would be extended on through the l;arks ngi.noer Sweeney explaineded that the drainage situation will be reviewed I,horou hly at the preliminary plat and plan stage for thiq development. He stated that consul.ti.ncl enqineers have addressed this and that a J arq r culvert may be needed, however, si.zinq and routing has riot been deter- mined at this time Director Tremere explained the Concept stage of, de4elopment that this Is a public informational hearing to allow p ,;P1i to understand the type or development under consideration. At the preliminary plat and plait stacte,. there is a Public Hearing,,, property notices are sent; arid, more detailed plans are prepared by the petitioner which lncl:udes the direction provided by tfiheCommission and Pouric,11. Chairman Pauba oxplain d that the Commission will, make recommendation on tll' concept of development and are not considering detailed development plans this evening, Bruce Rand, 14515 59th Avenue Morth, stated he disagrees with the comments made by the City that this cAreet would not be used as a short -out,. -he believes this will occur. He stated that when he purchased his lot, he was led to believe by a ' Realtor and by the design that this street. (59th Avent e) would be a cul.-de,sac. He is concerned about the proposed gradi.nq of the higher elevations of this property, and the diminishing wildlife, and natural topography. He stated that an,alternative to this the, extension should be pursued, includinq closihq the access onto County Rood 9. Mr. Rana stated that the children in Cedar Riche are 5 to 7 years of age, and have played In, the streets since moving there, and, have been able to come and go from the play fields without fear for their, safety. Residents, access the City Center area. vii 34th Avenue and do not need the acres via 39th Avenue Chairman Pauba stated the neighborhood concerns will be for- warded to the City Council, and the developer's .represerzta t ,ve will be asked to answer questions. Chairman Pauba dosed the Public Hearing. Piw 7 plann.inq Commission MlinuLles 14arch 31 198 14r. Kevin Von Riedel stated that at this tlme., the a tive extent o0t the grading is not known, there w1111 be some cut and fill to prepare building pads, and it is a fact that: some wildlife will be displaced because of new dev-)pment: He stater that the dralknage will be thorot w!Ay reviewed along with the grading plans. He explained the location of j eat-loh basins and the pondi.nq areas. 1 Mr* tion Riedel explained the access for heavy goipment durw inq the construction phase would be to County Road 9, Inter- nal eter- nal 'traffic would not occur until, the, Certificate of Ccou- pancy is issued for the first building. 6 noted that the prince range for they" hones would be $55,000 - 120,000, for the townhomes and $130,,00(1 - $1801,000 for the single family homes,` He estimate: completion in two to three years* Mr. iron Riedel stated they would maintain matchec4 grading and would retain the natural tree line, He. explained the methodof erosion control; He noted that the existing buildings on the site will be razed Curther discussion ensued regardinq the culverts' and p;oncii.n Commissioner Zy114 inquired about the issue on lot age. Mr.Von Riedel stated that with the lot size of 61400 sq. ft , they 4wouldrequo-st: a higher ratio of ground cover- age, Director Tremere stated that if the developers proposes lot coverage of treater than 20% they would be required to shoe the specifics tots ehosea, end the City would review the merit of the request based on the retention of natural topography and vegetation. The t-'itry Council had giver direction that this issue would be a decision made during later stages of development. Commissioner Tierney asked about the trail location. Mr. Von Riedel: explained the access and location. director Tremere nated the requirement For paves! trail EMOTION by Commissioner Zyllay seconded " Commissioner MOTION TO APPROVE Tiern.,y to recommend approval for the Pl,ar,ned Unit Develop- ment Concept Plan for Mmens;ion Development) subject "o the conditions as listed in the March 14, 1988 staN f report. Commissioner Marofsky stated his concern with Lhe layout of the streets in this development; that they should be more efficient and +effective He .stated that the confiqurati.on as proposed is too convoluted if intended as lateral acee$ , He explained the alternative of routinq 39th Avenu4 to xhe 4out:h to 38th Avenue,_ which he believes would give a better flows and souls[' cul -de -say; to the balance, of the homes a. je 71 Plann 'm* TI nu to arohIM Secondlyhe is concerned about the recreational areas for f project), 1.3 acres for the t6wnhomes and 1. 12 acres for. single-'lot t small tai fw . . The h to h cin unit hav o -)pen spade o ,,eOreatloaal areas adjacent. to 0em. It Would seem a more efficient use Would be to plane tewnhos es, with open, s ane along CountyRoad 9. Re, _stated the proposal does not clearly meet tufo, of the PUD ri -e.r a isonr Zylla asked staff to discuss the open space ai why feels this plan, meetsrqurem.sn and' staff the Pd D Criteria,. that eons d 1 q the topographioaMetrTremerestatedr features of this ps. o a'erty,. 'this develor ,me it seems to respond the intent ,; sof the, PUD Criteria.*The plan, would net` desire the nataltura, features of the site,, and these ilatu a features also lead to the road conf1qurat on... The des er°s are taking advanta e of the 'DPen, spa e ars p x k the Commission must de id f there should he more ffeot.ve' private open i sage espeea:lth ttie s.qe family hones,* chile staff believes ` the -ori c a have bee. met overalls the 1pssjon needs to q1ve d*r otion re"gard- any, reservatIon they may have on this development meet. the p a.nr ed , Unit iev0 opment requ.1r men.ts ' This s a re-opt Plan attics itis . appr priate to c uestron these spe txs. tSM, i'sioner Z lla saa.d that this is a diffIeu.t site fir ntdevelopmentandhewilln0tsecondcessthesheetdes.gi the v rnear streets make-,sense by aoeompl ishinct the dte,- oe enation` of traffic through the res dent.a nel orhood peeves the open space s adquat e oonsiderznq 'the des qn and, topography,, tt' ,p ov de for further open space p, ph the ens.t below that al owed , by the v de oca tion, y of seqsye fnz chi spian '4 e location,p rl space9p yythe, makes fo- .Ari th* ifs 4:t. o d iii f 3: .#i1! 4ilii .i:"..a a ss ones a sky inquired- if the, streets onf.orzn to the city, a, street,Aamlnq Po J rector `f , emer e answered ff rr at .ve Comm sane a ofs ,fir po'r. ted out 'mother street layout, ,why eh weed pro lii0e more of a r cop effect Ahiicj li d save a ss mpao o t te ad wou jd {( y 11* fi/7 YAlaros116111 - i# Aye%,* May* VOTE 4 1s RMi IED qTqy1Mid.A hatrman paha a ntroduoed the roust h Sohn 'es fora 3 R tisO ujdjjf P act Amend un t^ t, Anoverview.over iew#.of the Allan oi LAND ' and kt Sr r d a 7 P k r A3 ,}.`a kaMs ~ `rri erii m'e v yL y A/Aa.filil' t3C?01 I Paw, 73 l:anni xlq c ritrstzssi.t)rt 'inett:s March 231, 198 Direetur Tre ere aril Mr, Smith explained the difference b t rcen the existingright-of-way and the propo6ed read align- ment* also, the difference.between legally protected wetland and land which is wet or swampy, The City revised the a i nment of the roa,l to minimize the iMnpact upon the protected wetland. Mr, Thomas Stenoienl 10 510 49th .Avenue earth, stated he is a resident of Wildwings and is very concerned about the tv t- lance. He kecort.Penc; the land be left in its natural state. This type sof na uv—, l area is in short supply and i would not be appropriate t.o construct a road through here. Chairman Paoba explained that private land owners have thep ri,gInt W de iclop their ` land within the regulations of the City. The i omni ss k n and Council shere the same concerns as the residents and : ant wt.at Is b-ist *'or the City, when development bcours. 3ob Smith Hedlur s :nginee jk:inq, stated that Schmidt Lake dad is such a ,ey 'ssue to the residents and to the de.,elopm(,,-, of tiffs , operty- he provided a soettarko or con: -,.-pt o, development for this land to give a better understanding of t>e reguidnq stet, r.' enol errr Mated that it appears the proposed road Cbnstr3iVtIon would requlr e considerable fill and 4 uld be a severe impact on the wet land,, Hestated he is concerned that the F ap on the hearing notice was in error, as it should show where the current right-of-way is along with the proposed new alignment for Sch:rildt lake Rocad Commissioner M3rof'skyt d1 ,cussed the approvals required from the Department. of Natura.1 Resources, and the: Army Corps of Engineers. Hr. Rehka.mp inquired about _density, Mr. Bob Smith, Hedlund Engineering, slated tah,it the e ai e 74 acres` Including the wetland areas, and '74 hones are proposed.- lie explained a possible lot layout* Director Tr: emere reiterated t;ha t the application under conskdera.tl!on is only for requ ding# specifle devel'opme:nt plans are not part of this proposal. Chairman Pauba closed ttze Public Peari qe 74 Planning Commission #,lnutes larch 25, 198 this site, so all land north of the alignment would be vi,4wed similarly,, pith notification of all residentswho were sent notice of the hearing, as well as any others per the new petition, This- is in consideration of the apparent confusion about this hearing and the need to have a cle4 loture of the guiding in this area , Bob Smith, Hedlundnoineeri stated they are prepared to submit a preliminaryy plat and this deferral could cause delay for the developer, Comissioner Maro `sky inquired if the preliminary plat could be combined with the equidl.n . Director Tremere stated they could submit Informal pians for review., but these could not be formally processed until the City Council takes action on *he regui.dinq app..catacan. r Director Tremere explained the process for a public improve - merit project. He explained the importance of initiating the supplemental requiding request. stated that when note^e is sent, It will include a grot- leanly showincl, the road r*.k*ht. of7-rayl however, the our, the meeting is not to Yte the construction of Roar, that can and w . i l be discussed later. Roll Call Vote. 3 Ayes. Commissioner Zylla Ha > MOTION VOTE - NOTION CARRIED car. -led. W MSINESS .. Chairman Rauba intro+duc-ed the request and reading of the CITY OF' PLYMOUTH March 14,, 1966 staff report was waived. SITE PLAN FOR CITY FIRESTA-11,071 Commissioner Marof sky inquired if there Is a trail to the III 90P) outlot north of Medina Road, and whither this ' would b through the Fire Station property. He asked about the l.ightinq plan; anis, when Medina Road' is constructed, would the access to Dunkirk Lane be closed I Director Tremere stated the access to Dunkirk t~ane would be closed once there is access to Medina Road; arid, that if a trail were required to the o tlot,, It could cross; the fire station pr,lperty. MOTION by Chairman Pauba, seconded by Com.Assxoner z yll.a 'to NOTION TO APPROVE recommend approval for the w to P1,n; for, Fire Station III) subject to, the conditions as stated in the March 14, 11088 1i staff report. WTION' by Commissioner < Rarofskyy seoorided by Co nimissioner NOTION TO AWNID ivlla to Amend the Motioi by andii-g Condition No., 11 Th access to Dunkirk Lane will be closed when the extension of Medina Road is completed.. f Pay' Planning on Minutes March_ 3, 11,P MOTIOR, by Commissioner 1- l la . seconded > Commissioner NOTION TO AW:ice Marof Fk to Ame. I thr 'Mot .utt by adding Condztio flc. 1 A The exterior materials for the Fire Station billdinq will he brick and glass. Vote 4 -Ayes MOTION carried. VOTE ON, AWNDMENT MOTION CARED VOTE on the Main Motion cis twice amended. 4 AveS MOTION VOTE -- MAIN MOTION carried MOTION CARRIED, OLD BUSINESS and OTHER BUSINESS Direotor Tremere advised that the Commission will Sze ,eceiv- In follow -cep information regarding the possible revisions to the Zoning Ordinance p rkinnq standards. A meeting In April is contemplated for - the continua ioji of the Public Hearing. The Commission and Director Tremere discussed a meeting in April to submit the statement of direction to the City Council regardinq the Community-based residential car; fact. L hies s Lddv , t i. ADJOURNMENT t The meeting ad ovrned at 1C l0 P., c k