HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 09-09-1987P.5 T Planning Dlr otos la iromoro
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City, ngnor Sherm Goldberg
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MOTION. b Commas on x ,, s000ndod h ommis loner Pi fka TT O TO 'ROW
to. approve ' h August 6,y-1987 Plannin o imi lon Minutes
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loner 4stainadson ro VOTE, CAR leA
QTcW-MING
Chairman t l r a d introduced re{wast .h d Iph 'Mart . t _P t IRTTI
o -- Cod io3a Usk Porro z z P a- o located Ply-
a the cottonwood sp tthas. Gor1 Coat CtJ?iI(1A'
Road - and n m Lane, R,, ad ng. of the September , 7 8700
staff ,report was waived.
Mr.- Marti ,had no qu stions or 004"nts.,
Chfirman 51telge ald opened the PuhUo Hearing, as there was
no one Pres nt to speak un ih s: item"? the Puhlio Nearing was
0, osed.
i T t' Comm o a or or u' aor seconded by Ti TO APPOVE
Plu ka to r oom end oppr val -dor, the Gond, tional use P rm it `.
dor 3 h P Pizza for ,Rudolph Marts, . sub
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of to `to, conditions
as 1stodiltll the'Slop tor her- Z, 19.37 ,staff roport
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Charma S ego v{ald Introduood the request h Q oar t CAR`M,S, pA% r.
N sid nor the dr n r 't a a -unit a.par:mon ha .l ld-a GU1 1 JN!' L U
A ov r oro. '' the 'Septer ba `,, i 7 s a r o t way. IIT AN SITE PLAN
providod.h Coordinator Andorsona 9, Q8
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September 9 1957
Carlson stated th sp Ran ' ul d n pro'b em .
warts to be a good ne °g;hbor but he ' it hate see .
number. o _-P driving through the r'ea..
Hr tat d ,wondered how the Cit flans, o upon Revere
Lane r thoult right-of-way? Chair n t44Arw ,Id k-pla, ned
the City' sstreet grU system.andj teat r1#o `-way is
acguIrod with the ,.pJ tt nc .
14r,,Psarsk stated. there s much foot: traf, io an bicycles
in the area and concernad about adequate ,i na e and
s r s mp6se to help address Ch. sa yty
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Discussion ensued regarding the delivery access to Ho lday
Rhus and tie truck traff Commiss oner eiger°a1d
in Ir -tow many` trueks and how often, are blocking the
street. Mr. Carlson stated he has seen this happen "Several
times," .
Howyard}`{Wendt.laY4nd 700 Oul-awood * stated, he has notLane,,
sId* n h t `1.3dV.Bt 4+d. UO G ,4 7t ..im ,' F' ii X ,k. 'Y es it „ U ,
rake JI t worse to not have any access
Sohn Reynolds, 1069g 4-5th Avenge North stated he, is
sat, poi nted. w th bhe ;: ween btz bought. = his home h
dIdn" t : have any: idea the traf fie would be so heavy, okv,
with the access closed to County Road , I- has become
vere"". He has been trying to sell hIs ,borne for $19
months, He stated he probably should have realized this
erwhenheboughtthehome* Chairman SteIgwald inquired when
he bought his , home., -Reynolds stated he roved in
l ove The 1 1986.
Chairman Stexgerwald closed,,the Public Hea ing.
o ss onesiar sk nqc red of anyone had looked at the
poss1-b lity of constructing a road on the west side (Trenton
ane) to, nth Avenue? City Engineer C.oldber t"tated :this
was a'-, 'consideration at the time the development plans for
PlYoodlands": were reviewed, but the.differ nee n elevations
made 1,t npract calx
Ifi,:. ..+'f. +,I 'ner Plufka: inquired i opehin Reverer bane :# -.1.. .
tend to redUoe traffic on 45th Avenue north. Engineer
Co fiber stated, this wall be. the case... and, Mr. Reynolds may
e nd t Ca t the tr a,ff 1c volume at, his,, home Will, be redoced
Planning Commi
Comm isslon.er Wire was conceroed witty lot size and available
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September 9,, 1,987 1
Ro 11 7 Call . Vote- 3 Ayes. ; Commissioner M rofs;ky, Nay., OTE APPROVAL
MOTION carried. LAND USE GUIDE
PteAMENDMENT
MOTION CARKED
Chairman Steigerwald stated his concern regarding the build-
ing layout appearing to -be "boxes, In a ro t-,, could there be
a more creative la outs Mri, Alexander Ritter stated this
buldang layout provides the best in open space, while main-
taining the density.
Chairman Ste.igerwald left the meeting at 9.00 P.M.
Mr,, Ritter explained further that the roadway design and
site layout maintains the optimum open 'space; he pointed
this -out on the General, Development Plan.
Commissioner Plufka stated the Commission and Council have,
always stressed the importance of retaining the natural land
features and amenities for development throughout the City.
Mr. Ritter stated that the wetland and pond is, a very , sig-
nificant feature of this property; however, the trees area
not mature, hardwood trees, they are basically 11scrubwood".'
He noted that: the Land area for Phase Il had very little
vegetation,; He stated they will be planting trees; and that:
the Sathre-Bergqutst design' provides retention of mature
trees between the units.
Commissioner Zylla inqulred about the be.-ming. Mr.. Ritter'
pointed out the area for. berming on the graphic. Elevations-
were discussed. Mr. Rick Sathre, Sathre-Bergquist.,
explained the landscaping plan.. Mr. Ritter pointed: out that
the multi-farpily units are at a lower grade than the single
family homes. Commissioner Zyl,la stated the design could be
revised to mfnamze the `impact of the multi.-flmilV
dwell ings. _ Mr. Sa thre stated they could work on this design
as suggested,
MOTION by Commissioner Stul.berg, seconded by Commissioner W Al TO APPROVE
Plufka to recommend approval, of the Revised RPUD Preliminarynary' RE RPUD
PlanJ lat and Conditional Use Permit, subject tothe 12 P111 NARY
conditions listed in the Septewher 1987 ata i"f report.. Py.[L{ NIPLAT
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Roll Call. Vote. 4 Ayes. Commissioner Marofs v Nay MOTION PERMIT
carried. VOTE - 140TION CARRIED
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k ,n a , n r n roduoed the -request b e an er EXAN" KTTCR
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overview of the, September, , 987 by, Coordinator Andersen*. MM
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ng C im n, ; Wire introdwed XMA Alexander, -Ri ter and INMY' PiAt/'Y 'T
M.rl .Rick athre Sa hre Be + .u st. They explained the b e 4 Z , ;No
r ued the c evelapt en b pro c s . The ep ick ons ' had- W TIODN' 11 E
been reviewed by the Planning Commission in 987, th MIT r PINEVIEW
Co' ss on .deferred a. at on and gave da4reo lon. -for redesign XVION (87042
rev de te oomm t pen s 7 the side o
County 'Road'61 and, present ` ,, design, that would he respon- e pon-
sivesiveto the"ordinance 10-1anned -Ual, Development Criteria,
r a hre Oxplalned their deei ion :to decrease the number
of dwelling,units,,-,by sly which necessitates, the Lend Use
Guide an Amend They b lieve this plan s oompat- hle ,
with surrounding. -devopmervt.
A t n GhaIrman ire 'opened th P, olio Hearing!,
Goy ' ,an el 5715 osewood bane , nc tI `ed ab o aooess t r.t°
County Road,61 as she understood from information, d1soussed
At the lasv aleeti n ;thatthere ' wou d be no access onto.
bounty, ,oad b reo t Tremere; stated there< ou ,d b no
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ter of the outlot where play `Will be: lns a-
LOW? M_ bhre sated t r d n it e aoeom tslhed '
ben oc. r the play, eg umen, h need there .
zew6r 1n phis" area.
instal, J.I k ` 1,4AJ...,W mti Wire inquired ,c.niR. .F l,i Vs.+k c U' -F i :A,+r. -y
e 0e phjlP n v3e4Y Lane/Co- n y 'Vd* `?. I ted ,
there was oo oern for the ohi I di n, in hI- area` rear, the
inraedlcr s eno
ro eet Outlot or he the street side and in consider ion
cthe visl;b ll.i y r m the rear o hose te
bevshoposed ao ess end fencing: unotenl. fog
the,he Iiborhood. ,
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Amendment or, z a-oha, y D, eveld men's Corpor tion') s€ NT
the 5 oondit I' ted in the ep ember Z 1967 s ,f
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Ire to, Amendthe M1 t on by deleting.Condition i .
comm,, er y11a sta' ed this gond tion dues not bel. on
here and pear b a 1,1poaIt 11,i, The developer .
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Y.? 1 City4 . Snbl• s!lee r eimburs eme V theAssessments .I d ,_
es- which wou_d not be real .ed i the J. nc sere regu d di
C ifter k said,he understands'.. tie reason a$
l 'e io`va t @ ix0 iC i h}wev y :. cannot sup-. ;
porgy t Ame-ft nb, tin -, bass The Comm"ss on should not
be : nvo ved h xnano al issues he ouno n ke these.
de 'r l s°as.: }la` 1 s; 1.k,- be$ s °°O dere"
r gi r o d e g ate' ha vthi, -0isouss.on m y` h r
lead "in ,. s b%e dev o o may 'be' recdMired o y s .d
Terence b ween the assessments due underpresent, gu ng
regard es$ of w.hether, it ass ine,l,.uded -in the. Coms iss on
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ec ore ere .stated' ;the City otll l has directed, 'hab
Ns b r vl awed when revl.ewing ,and Use Guide Plan Me
encs ae emmasons not comfiol e h s they
oan recom , e, ;deletion 'off the condition,the ouno *
d cuss a.,;.
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Thj.s is nota penalty# t a matter of e flsoal mpoo"t
of ch aid the` 3 t? t and use uding_ ri tand,
based cin ui n Fiscal Planningareacisadrssed - - -Ivim Plan
Rloll fall Vote on Amendment. Ayes. VOTE - VC
ulbe. and Pufa QT oarraed trAttD
VOTI , _N Ni T100
Roll Call :aiMotin, - to on the NOTION CARRIED.
hIG-Tl t4Commissioner seoonded by TT TA ?ROW,e
Pj, f a to eoo tend o, va 1 for the Residential P a ed
do dvel Amon Concept apment_, s -
jeo tthe si oortditiontee, In the September
1967 staff report,
Commissioner tea ofs y stated tha t this proposal was deferxed
beoause ooneorn dor open space and natural: vo eta- '
tion, andl"T, this ` oon`t inu.es tobe a..00Aoexn viven the 46,-0,00
sq ft aand Z 114 of the acreage proposed, commpnn open
spans could be provided ' aldnq the southern boundary which
would' also serve as a buf or bett,eer idevelop ent and
th,61. property to the south Preservat 01 "thc woodln.d x
is rtta a n nc a buffer, zo e aid pxev nta ori -of defo es t;at on
of Ind v1dUa_ p oporties. ireimportant-issuos and ,e cannot
support a reooMmenda t`,,loa 'for approval,
Cc? t s onet*` yll spode_ in favor of 'thy totioa His oon
cern is int regard to the outs ot. Thi.s "has been ar d,!,ff'icolt
site to work, with and there shou d be better puality and
additional open ' spac , however. recognizing, the ots .
this is a good plan He 'requests the developer to consider
better, atoerss to the outlot*;
ter..athro st;ato- they have tried to provide span and
placement for ho hlc host end best 't so of the property..
Preservation of trees. is the- uppe;mostt consideratlon ' and
they would ' not to see individual property owners out
ar y trees but, they dost!"t believe , common owns chap
solve -this either, If, the Woo'de'd, area is part of the Common,
aper spaoc # 't c6uld. become adtive'opem srpacel in the future
if the'Hom"eowners Association decides to, remove the troes
I ttet stat cd dots with natural 'v e a on acct
trees wall be sold at a premum, the people buyg those
lots w l l buy beoacxs . o ttho reesr and would not be: apt to
u't them down.. The proposed tot lot 144. oot Ir "the best that
p he done'wth "the Phys oa"3 cons traints of the property,
Comma ssonor Marofsy dsareed that people would not out .
trees? this has happened in marry areas The Homeowner
Ass:ocza'taon Co,onants and bylaw should be drawn to help
prevents th 5 ha`ppenine r 'A the neater likelihood 'that
trees. .oan be, saved
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o Cad. Vote* 4 Ayes, Commissioner Marofs y, Nay T MOTION CAaX
TION b, y :Commissioner Marofskyl,. seconded,bIy Commissioner NOTION TO APPROVE
pluf a . ,r nd approva fog# the s dents al Planned
Unapt Development preliminary planplat and Condtianal ; Use
Permit for Zachary Develoomor°t . Corporation for Pineview
Ad r tion,. -io to the ondit.lons Stec r the
epember , 187 staff epor, adding Condition No. 17'' to
n a the eotive fence from 58th Avenue t or b to . pro
County Raad.4
MOT by Commsoner4a ofsky, . seconded; by o§moron 3T t At
tilon add Condition No. IS thatPIufkaoamend 'the Mai, Mot
tcovenantsi
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the woodland areaand to be,approved by the City Attorney,
Director Tremere explained the Council had required woodland
preservation In previous RIPUD" s.
Roll Cali, Vate on Amendment. 4 Ayes. Commissioner VO, ON A1 t i3t NT
tulberg May. MOTION, carried MOTIONCARRIED
MOTION by Commissioner Pluf a, seconded by Aeting Chairman MOTIF. TOA,
ions}N.o* 19, Wire -to he ajddin,Conditiongn}* M_otiond. on*.dit
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t+^ kRh [Y M +/'is SC M f, .Cl 1 i et,.. l i 4 {.S.W ,'4 ES kX ea+.2.d't e6t to Ou tl . El '.
from QUinwood, Lane to, the oul -de- sac along h6 property
1, nes for Lots' 18, 1 f 2,0, and, ZI, in B1, oak Z.
Mr Ratter asked for: olarif ,oat on r. He: stated there might
be alternative ways to gear atnss dame, a d-, this ..could be
resolved by meeting Wath City staff. He asked that the
rec6mm.endation .come baok with the final Plat app ica t'lon .
Comms SsioEl.er tul aerg askednor clarifloation.w Commissioner
P of a expla Tied this does not delete the other access, but
makes for- better access for all resJ:dentsr
Rolf all ' Vote on Amendmen.t 4 ` Ayes, Cammissione,r COTE QN 1 ND NT
Stogy beck, Nay. MOTION carr1e rxa..cA
Commissioner k ,k. k 3U Y 5! 1.? +w.kh ! qia 'roe! 3d-4 4a f V {Q,..r
follows Penoing shall be installed, from 58th. avenue North
to. the northerly edge of 'Outlot E , The motion d.1ed` dor lack
of second.
commissioner P u a. rcroved to Amend. the Rain Motiqn by s trI k -
ing Condition No. 17 In Its entirety,.The, Motion deed for
look: of second,.
Comms I er PlufCa said`'t does not made sense to Fence the
backyards of pr'vate property
NOTION by CommsssIoner ylla, seconded by, Acting Chairman MOTION TO AWN0,
Wire to' Amend the MainMat,i,on by, deleting Conda ta.on. Mo. 16
and renumber'the conditions.
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Roll Call. Vote on Amendment, 3 Ayes. Commissioners MOTE ON AMENDMENT
Stul.berg and Plufka, Nay. MOTION carriedi, MOTION C. RRIEU
MOTION by Commissioner Marofsky,, seconded by Commissioner MOTION TO AMEN
Plufka to Amend the Main Motion by modifying Condition No;
17 (which hay now become Condition, No. 16) as follows-
Fencing shall be installed along the lot lines for Lots 16_
and '1 i Block 2 , north of Outlot E.
Commissioner .Stulberg stated a requirement should, be made
that the f nciriq be compatible with the Outl,ot E fencing and
that it meets all Ordinance standards.;
Mr.. Ritter stated, that some hoemowner;s may not want a fence
at all* Ne believes this should be dealt with as a design
issue for Indivi(t oal lots.
Commissioner Zyl.l.a inquired if it is intended to have the
walkway on the 'inside, or the outside of the fence? Commis-
sioner Plufka stated the fence would be on the outside
street side of the walkway).
Mr, Hassel stated they couldprovidecovenants for Lots 16
and 17 that any fens; installed would -be cmpatible and
consistent in style,
Roll. Call dote: on th-a Amendment 5 AyCommissioner VOTE ON NDMENTAMENDMENT
Stulberg and Acting Chairman Wire, Nay;. MOTION carried. NOTION CARRIED
R.ol.l. Call Vote on he Mahn Nation as four, times amended. 5 VOTE ON MAIN MOTION-
Ayes.. Motion carried. AS IFOUR TIMES AMENDED
MOTION CARRIED
Acting Chairman Wire introduced the request by Harstad NARSTAD C(*,VMIES
Companies.. An overview of the September Z 1987 staff REVISED POD PRELIM= -
report was provided by Coordinator Anderson. DIARY PLkX/PLAT EAR
IINGSVIE H IC"TS
Commissioner Marofsky inquired 11' all other outlots were 3RD ADDITION (87091)
dedicated to the Homeowners Association? Engineer Goldberg
confirmed that this was the case
Aotinq Chairman Wire introduced Mr. Ken Briggs., representing
Harstad Companies. Mr. Briggs stated there had been what
could be terned as a : '!friendly" disagreement" , between
Harstad Companies and City staff` fie explain -.d the negotia-
tions With a church for Outlot`3; and when negotiations
broke down,. it was not intended that. 0u;tlot 3 would be deed
ed to the City or become pant of the Homeowner Assoolatost
common ` open space. The City was not aware of the church
proposal,
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renw t--'thetetzat `e i`e U':'£
addition -e. the Hollydale: Gplf CoUrs.e Rea.dinq of the YDAL.E G0070[X1RS
67 staff ,report was waived. F 1i. D+fi.,UE
W' z)
T hero been. 0p r. ported p oh, m4 Q camp a ntsregarding.
the Cc ndl enal Use Permit
i 7 4 iComm,is dner z "i eoonded y C moisss oner ' MO-v Ta APPROVE
luIr a.,' e; recomm nd appr al f the enewal
andtion l' use Permi t for 11 0,, yda e .
Golf c ,t c the ond, a ens ed e
etember 19 fep.
V O t6, 5 dyes.. MOTION VOTL MOT! ORKED
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the ri i s i ' .efiCaMiss On to eet 5 ''.
to fUrther review and. 01-scuss, the, ortsultant's report on
Commun ,y a ed to .en. a, r{ao ,: itde$,t
y p i(ir o, the
xeu e r' mewtil . t. fiued y; eptem a: , ; 4987, .
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