HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 08-27-1986CITY CP PLYMOUTH
PtAMING Commission MINUTES
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The. Regular Meeting of the Plymouth r1anning Commission was
Nllledl to order at 700 P.M*
Cha "man Stelgerwald, Commissioners
Whet Stolber9j, Magnus, Pl:ufka Mellen
an£. auba
MEJQERS ABSENT;; None
STAFF PRESENT. Community Development Coordinator
Sara Mocon"
City Engineer,Sherm Co dbercl
Planning Secretary Crate Wineman
MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, second oltl by Commissioner MOTION TOAPPROVE-.
Plu ka to approve the August 1 , 1986 Minutes as su muted.
VOTE* 6 Ayes. Commissioner- Magnus abstained. MOTION VOTE MOTION CARRIED
Chairman Steigerwald stated the Commission. would consider
the Mev? Husiness Item on the agenda as, the first ` iters of
business be'ure conducting the Public Hearings.
NEW BUSINESS
Ct 'r art t l.gerwald introduced applloatzdn Rebert T UR
nr aux r%brr and requested an overviewf the August CRIBWR T
18' 1956 Planning, Staff Report by Coordinator M Conn. CONSOLDATIO AND
VARIANCES ; ' 8609
Chairman Steigerwald introduced Mr'. Robert Scribner who gave
the history of his property, stating the house was set back
on the property ,so the residence would not affect the view,
of the lake for the neighbodIng, property owners,k, He
addressed the, lot
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coverage in that the lot ova II not allow
for an attached garage, He pointed out similar structures
and garages of similar dimensions in the neighborhood. He
wishes to be able to store his bot and truck in the garage
rather thda outside. fie stated he could consider a 30 ftr
x 30 ft. garage,,; but;, wants, to achieve as much storage space
as Possible,
Commissioner Pauba-confirmed Mr.. Scribner would geed 8 ft; x
1 /Z ft. doors to accomodate the boat and camper.. He
stated the 'cortstruot ion would be vertical rough cedar and,
would be an attraotive .structure`` Commissioner Pauba sug- u _
Bestedgestedthat a neighbor r.. SullivaO has a similar
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Commissioner Wire stated., that modifying the dimensions of
the garage may not be appropriate b pause of the gree for
storage. Commissioner Mellen concurred, noting the impor-
tarnce for available inside storage which would alleviate- the
problem of do-st, ye=t paring.
NOTION by 'ommissiondr € lufka seconded by Commissionersioner Wire NOTION TO APPROVE ;
to recommend approval, for the requested lot size and l,ot '
i[tiarant es as propo J'ed g ae€i on the uniqueness-the
iotil and,) approval for a 15 ft. fr.ont yard` setback with th =
construction of a garage not to,exceed 30 ft x 30 ft.
VOTE. 6 Ayes. Commissioner Mellen, Nay. NOTION carried. VOTE M HDTV CARRIED
PU13LIC IVE.AaINGS
Chairman, t igerw l.d introduced the first hearing and re- ROAERT SONDAG
guested an overview of the August 18, 19861Planning Staff CONDJTIONAI USE
Report by Coordinator Moonrn.. MMIT AMENOWNT
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Chia rma teigerwaid introduced Mr. ' Robert Sondag, who
stated he would answer questions and explained the, proposal.
to ; a"06mmodate living space for his Mother"in-:lane and
father- in-law.
Chairman Steigernva.ld opened the Public Rearing.
Garry Koch., 3415 Sycamore Lane north,: state he is net to
the aroma and when he received the otbce did rrot understand
the proposal. He is concerned 'about whether this is a
duplex or simply separate living areas in a basically single
family home. Pe ,stated his concern about propertyvalues,
and that Mr. ondagfs explanation regarding; the living areas
was -satisfactory,.
Charles Hutchinson, 43215 34th Avenue North, commented on
the: long narrow' lots;; and, that it was hi,s information the
rear areas of these lots would remain unimproved.Coordina-
tor Mc onn exp l ine the ions aye shed to storm grater
ponding easement$:# Mfr. N tohinsan stated ghat between Lots
2-0 and 211 there is a culvert which drat,-ts the storm wader
and this continues vrnoov re to the property li.ne where it .
then bodomas a ditch. He stated.he, had requested the ditch
be cleaned outs 'this Was done, bub now it Is , cey' and has
not been maintained. Itis, is, his opinion this d aina ewa Is
unfinished and he would, like the City to finish the pianrning
for and maintain this drainagewayt Engineer Goldberg stated
ho wall. ,loofa into this ratter,- however, the building of the
rest deee n i 11 not affect the drainage,,,, iMr. Hutchinson
stated he granted to bring th s tt) the G-ty f .s attention so
they aro aware this drainage p-ojeot needs to be completed.
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Mr.. loch Inquired if it was, possible to condi 10 n the ap rD-
val to specify the house not be sold as or used as a
duplex., Chairman t .:d -rw - XpIaineo that tw-family
dwellings are an. allowable use In the R-2'Zoning District by
Conditional Use Permit
Mrs on ag explained the house will be Indistinguishable
from a single family dwelling and because of orlvate
covenants, and restrictions, tie would not be allowed to rent
the property,.,
Mr. Koch stated the make-up -of tea area is all single family
dwellings and the Commission should look at the area as a
hole; would got want see the hone dIvided for
two-family use. He is opposed to a mix of housing tees %n
this neighborhood.
Commissioner Plv.fka explained R4_ Distrlct provisooras which
allow the mix of housing by Conditional Use Permit. He
noted the request is made because of a unique need and is
appropriate for the zontoa district* The character cf the
neighborhood will continue, but that is not to say haat only
single family dwellings w1,14" be built.
Mr. Koch inquired, about requirements for Conditional Use
Permits, Commissioner Stulbero explained that .a Conditional
Use Permit is,
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also required {t. - e con$' tru0, A on of a single
family dwelling In the R -Z lostingistr t. Commissioner
Plufka explained the Conditional Use Permit Criteria.
Chairman Steigerwald dosed the -Publ io Hearings
10T ON by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner TO APPROVE
Pauba to recommend approval for the Conditional Use Perm F
Amendment subject to the conditions listed in the August , '.
1986 staff report, adding the name of Mr* Phil Weinard to
Condition, No. .
VOTE., 7 Ayes. Motion carried. MOTION CARRIED
Chairman SteioerW41d introduced ' the application ' by St. 7P141LIP THE DEACON
Philip the Deacon Church, requetiting anoverview of the CONDITION&
August '1 , Planning Mail~ Report by Coordinator h cConn USE PERMIT -SITE :PLAN
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Rall Cala Vote. 4 Ay -es, Commissionersand Mellen,
Nay. . om i io er Plu.fk ; abstained. MOTrried.,COTE - MQUON CARRIED
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Chairman ei erwald introduced he, appli a' ion by Begin BEGIN CONTRACTING CO.;
Contracting Company and requested, .an verv'iew of tne August REZONING, PRELIMINARY
18, 1986 staff report by, Coordinator H' Conow PLAT ; NERAL
EVELOPMENT PAN
Chairman Stelgerwald *Introduced Len ThIlely represent irtg the 6065)
petitioner. ' qtr, Thiel stated the,arohitects from'Young &
Wlz and Westwood Planning & Engineering are present and
o- dvailabI4 for questions. He thanked staff for the"r, co-
operationopratn and 'Work on this project.
Chairman Steigerwald opened the Public 4iearxng
Mr. Doug, odfre , 3770 Rosewood Laney ' inquired where Xenium
Lane would he owns ruc ed In relation to this development,
Coordinator tcConn .showed the extension of Xenium Lane 0
connect with County Road 61 as called for on 'the Thororlgh-
fare Guide Plan and as shown on the preliminary plat (Vlrr e -
wood Lane)* Hr. Godfrey inquired about the necessity for
the connection to County Road 1. Engineer,Goldberg stated
the Hoed for, specific corridor alignment with future
development.
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Coordinator cConn erifled for ComAntas- .ones u ka that
here would be a temporary out. -d -sao at,the south end of
proposed, Vinewood Lae and the final. locatIon as o.xtended in
the future.
for, 31. ;lel» Mo ellip, 34 1 Shore Drive, ' Chanhassen, stated he
has interest in the property to'the west of the proposed
development.. He no -led that if this development is allowed
it will laodlook their property for any, commercialtooccur11
use. The proposed development plan shows no access for his,
property unless there Is a service road for County Road '92 -
oror, if there is area available from the Standard Oil'
property.. =fir. HoKellip oonfIrmed for Chaarman tei erwald) ,
the property is 4pproximately,Z.6approximately,.acres.
Engineer Goldberg explained that existing enlum ane would
he; continued as a ul-dex-sac for access to this property.
r. McKellt.p stated they expect co-nimero. al access 'From'
County Road. 9
Chairman SteIgerwald Inquired f the required distance is
interchange a eao aceEngineerprov.id d to, the
o, dherg answered a-ffirmatively ha r an 'igorwa„
lnqulred f there viould he any ease where access to County,
Road would be approved,; Engineer Goldberg answered nega-
tively. It was corif Irmed the property can be served from
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MOTIONRollCallVote. 7 Ayes, r ` W110W110M CARRIED
test erivald called a Recess. The meeting recon- RECESS
vened at 9:15 P.M*
Chairman ei, er ald i n r ducted the next uhi c caring and LHUSV
explained the pr cedur for
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speaking,on this item, An CONDITIONAL USE
IT AND SITE PLAN
e er i cz u 18y l9t'S Planning Staff puri way
given by Coordinator MCCORn.
Coordinator McConn explained the publioa :ion and noti iea-
hei.un requirements or this Public l learin ; ineludln t
Village of Medicine Labe. She further" explained teat dote to
a misunder tannin. , residents, were given instructions 'stat -
n they .,could call the City of Plymouth' and t%a- heir
vote on this prOpo5al"- She explained, th,t City staff had
ihferedhe at they were invited to attend
the meeting and spear uh he item; or, put tirnemmen s in
writing to become part of the public ree rd and file on his
pre; e a1. She acted h these: letters received by the City
from residents have been made available e the, p ar na n
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looked and fenced. He Is not convinced of the low. rate.
allowed.
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udl Robin, 264 Peninsula d., Medicine Lake, inquired about`
the percentage of people- who have cormltted these types of
imes, and ` are ` repeat offender ? How often have Ol ients
walked 'sway from tete faoillty`? Hoer many unprosecuted o re-=
ported Incidents? Has Alpha tried to expand in their
present rael ht o hood? Have City staff and the C a-, fission
had the opportunity to go, Into Minneapolis and talk to the
people In that aeIgbbor t_od, and the pc l ;e whopatrol +
area; and, are we being told the truth about the operation
of Alpha Hiuse? She has spoken with three successful real -
tors and asked their opaAion on property values, They,
stated, they would feel an obligation to tell prospective
buyers, about the proposal and/or the presence, of the facili-
ty in the nel hborhood, and It may become virtually i pos -
sible to sell property to single women and/or families. She
requests there be valid: data provided regarding the impact,
to property development and values.,
She understands the need for treatment; Irate ration of the
clients Into society is important, but this is net a proper
Brendt l usten, representing orcin om, 10850 South Shore
stated the ola sifloatlon of semi -public institution does
not seen to apply to this facility,, He is concerned, about
the impact to property values and. that. 19 notices to vacate;
have been received by their off toe.
Paul "arson, 8 Kaiser Ave., stated he .learned of this pro-
posal on Sunday night. He understands these are emotional
is -sues and, doesn't know what the outcome will be, but he
suggests that this be postponed so that data can be compiled
retoanswerallthequestionsofferedbytheresidents. Com -
mlssfoner~ Plufka explained the recommeadation could be made
or deferral, or that a recommendation' 'for approval or.
denial would send the application forward to the City
Council.
Bola Scribner,, 0 Lancaster bane, representing the AMLA
Homeowner`s Association, stated ,he has leen involved. with
the neighborhood group for 16years and had been involved in
the disoussions. that took place when Pioneer House came into
being- He not they came to the neighbors to discuss tholr
plans l that bund ren Brothers, a developer, has :Dome to the
neighborhood to explain their plans for development and ask
their opinions, the Hennepin County Park Reserve District
also met with the nei hbor.4 oncerning, the development off"
the Retonal park# tie had hoped 'that Alpha Hunan Service
would have met with citizen groups before goi.ng to the Plan-
ning: Commission. He offered to hold 'Meetings' if the repre-
gen-tativos,of Alpha House would agrees and he requested this
ite a be tabled.
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facilities in Minneapolis have peon good neighbors. and do
not affect the property values,* and, that there has been no
occurrencesof sexual offences, by Alpha House residents in
its current neighborhood.
Mr Kaplan 'stated that assumptions were made by the Mayor,
and others who have;spo on, that molestation will Decor if
Alpha Huma, Services is allowed to build their facility in
Plymouth. He appreciates the feelings of those people and
that, It does not sound logical for him to say alpha Human
Services, Inc. does not present a dancer to the community.
Ho explained that since 1974, there have been two persons
that committed crimes while in the program. He stated the
facility in Minneapolis is one and one-half blocks from an
elementary school and is surrounded by , residences,* He
stated it is a fact that there is more chance of being
abused by a family member or neighbor, than by a stranger.
The victim, in most oases, knows the offender, and they are
not people who are part of a treatment program The purpose
of the , program 15to reduce the number of victims of se,tual
abuse, If he thought it wore any different, he would not
propose such a faot[it.y, It is his opinion these are unfair
statements considering the exp ng data. - He 'can't say, it
would neuor .happen, but his past experience as a
psychologist and a n evaluating, sex offenders, the number of
cases: of child rape is negligible and an uncommon ocourencek.,
Chairman Stelgerwaldinquired if ,they, had given any thought
to mother site?. r. Caplan stated they have to have
available resources* that phasing out a means
employment opportunities for that person. A residential
soft ung contributes !to the rehabil .tation,. i less populated,
or Isolated site 'Would not be appropriate He stated they
will show a low profile .and will not be noticeable in the.
oomniunity. Chairman Steigerwald inquired about the high
rate of vandalism and crimes which could affect the
facility. Mr. Kaplan stated he was not aware of this in
Plymouth) he feels it is a positIiiveneIchborhood and will be
a good in,fl venoe. He stated they have had no incidents, of
burglary or drug use,.
Chairman Steigerwald inquired about the flood plain on the
property,. Engineer Goldberg stated a large porton will be,
subject to easements to the City for ponding purposes, only
a small, portion of the 'site is buildable, The architect
state that the actual building site is one acre, and their
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Jamie Oah, 10850 So. Share D.r related a, prayer for all.
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Chairman Stelgerwald thanked those present for their
comments and questions. He closed the , Public Haring a
1Z*#53 A.M.
MOTION by Chairman Steigerwald, seconded by Commissioner MOT ON TO DEFER
O ufka o defer a reoommondation on this item for 60 days,
pending farther meetings between the residents and Alpha
Homan er <-j n"e and ,inv,7 Led the r -siden s to visit the
faellx y in Minneapolis.
It was noted this would be the fourth Wednesdaya of October - VOTE ,. -MOTION: CARRIED
October U, 19#
Roll l Otte. 7 Ayes. MOTION 'carried,
hairman efgerwal:d opened the ub Ie Hearing ,% CAPITAL XWROVEMENT
Capital Improvement Program, as there was no one present to PRO 's '
speak pn this itemf the Public Hearing was, closed,
There was no fur xier discuss en, The Commission will make a
recommendation at the September 104 1986 meet1n *
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The meeting adjourned at 1,05 A.M.