HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 04-23-1986CIS f PLYMOUTH
PLANNING O IS T
L 1986,
Th e Regular Meeting ,of the PlYmnu h Planning Comission was
called; 'to order a P.M*
Yzcd Charman 'Pa,, Commissioners
Wire, Magnust Plufka, and Mellen.
HCWF_RSASSENT:, Chairman Steigerwald
Commissioner Stulberg
STAFF PRESENT-, Community Development Coordinator
Sara Occnn
Asslst4ntCity Enqineer,John Sweeney
Planning Secretary Grace Winem n
WNSENT AGENDA,
MOTION by Commissioner , Pluf a, seconded by CommissloneT CONSENT ACENDA
Mellen to recommend pproval for tete Consent ;agenda
VOTE: ; eyes. MOTION carried. VOTE - MOTION CARRIEft
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1I -IO fymm sl ner p u ka seconded Commissioner M—E O
Mellen o recommend approval of the April , 1986 Planning APRIL 9 19$6
Commission Minutes as submitted,
VOTE: 4 ayes. Commi abstained. 1TI MTTO CARRIEDTE
carrled
PUBLIC HEINC5
Vice Chairman 1 au a introduced the application by Hars ad HARSTAD, COd ANTES
Companies and requ<sted ; an overview of the April. %1 1966 OHOEpT PLAN.
staff report by Coordinator, conn.''ELIMINMY PLANIPLA`
REZ%41NG AND,
Commissioner M-agaus inquired if the plans had been sent to, COWTIONAL U$E
the Minnz dta Department of Transportation (MnDOT) Co- PMOT (801114),
ordinator McConn stated J-InDOT has reviewed the; plans' and
nespermitsarerequiredto` do the work.Comm' ssioner Magnus
stated his concern about noise problems for ' the proposed
m famll an s clos c 1-04- and inquired about noise'
abatement proe dure * He noted the ; plans did not include
much inthe way of lands,,apxngl He is oonQerned about the
n iso and visual impact*
oordina or 4onn noted this iyll,l h vonala, re" du7*inq the
review, of the Environmental Assessment Worksheet,eBO and
detaileded plans will be submitted at the -time of site plan
review*
I Briogs Introduced Phyllis Hanson,, Landscape Ar bz t
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April 1
CoqviiissIoner Ma0us inquired what buildings would be for
each qrnup, Mr. P, iggs stated themulti-family units
overlookingookin the pond w1th underground garages are, planned
fir the older residenta without children. The remaining,
units Mould be designated for singles and young cots l.es,
They want to have a< gond, mix of rstd n s for the types 0i`
musing proposed-, In response to theCommissioner Magnus'
concern regarding older people not wanting to live where
there are younq children; Mr. Briggs .stated they have read
studies, ondu t d$ where It is shown that'the majority of
alder citizens (10 want o live ` in areas where there are
young people and children. f4s.. Hanson stated the units for
the elderly residents wi l: have more, passive, un spaceand
wlII not h ' developed with concentrated play areas. `
commissioner, t4lellen inquired''who will provide the mainten- mainten-
anceand upkeep for the pl:a rou"d areas. ire Briggs stated4nce
the pro oot will have a Homeowner's Association and, as Part
of the o rants and bylaws the. residents will maintain
these with fees assessed to the h )m owncrs*
Commissioner Wire Inquired about the phasing of the project
and the completion o the recreational ameAltz s.. Mr.
Briggs stated that the upon space and play Melds will be
ocnstr et d during the first phase, of d velo ent, u ceps
those ,areas around the multi-amtl huildin .: ;At the end o
the construction of the single family dw lungs, all parks_
and pia fi ids will he constructed.. He further explained
that there is a City Park planned at Mud intake..
Ta r tan P u ka in .c -rod this land is being d d; a d In
lieu of cash fees. Coordinator McConn on. 'irm d., th.1s would'
he part of the , Park d d.ic;at ons ,the project willbe given
credit for U acres whish is above the 100 -Year High beater
Level. $he stated that the Park and Recreation Commission
has considered this Proposal and supports developing the
Citydark a Mud Lake.
Ph Uls Manson explained theproject identification sign to
Commissioner Plufka,
Commissioner Wire inquired if Harr- tad Companies will hu ld
on on -quarter of the lots , al l in one sectioa of, the devel-
opment; ands inquired about the type of dwelling to he on-
struct dd fir. Brigs sated they Will. buil d several cx cn-
lqivo ho toss some inedlum prio id and some 'at a lower prig
ra n ttirouchout the development. He noted h , unit hype
Is similar to- the original plan proposed to December. The
park and' open space Plan is much better witch this r;o osal.
tie further explained that. the. apartment un ais will ho'
sq* f e5` fit•,
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April , 1986
o l sszoner Wire, stated he has similar, concerns regardiog
the sewer and storm eater drainaget but t is hard to com-
ment on potential problems* I if they, occur, it'wilt,be the
City's responsibility to solvethem* He stated that in- n -
creasedcreasedtraf f Iol roadway Improvements and 'construction comp:
with all development.
Vice Chairman- Pauba stated development is premature because
County Road 611 is not to be completed for some time, to
offer further, c .rcul:aticn,.
OTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded o ss on Mellen 140 ` O , TO APPRO
o._ recommend approval -dor Preliminary Paan Plat, Rezcnzng l N P N
andConditional Use ,Permit, subject to the condi ions listed PLATI, IRUONING
in the April 101; 1986 staff report., AWCOND TQ. _:
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Commissioner Pluf ka Inquired about the 10% of lots for in-
greased lot coverages Coordinator McCann explained that
Condition No, 17 requires the 'petitioner to specify, hich
lots are, to be Included,, and demonstrate why, it is
appropriate*
MOTION, by Commissioner ` lPlufka, se aonded by Commissioner MOTION O AMEND
Magnus to Amend the Main Motion, to add to Condition No. 17
that no. lots will be considerd for lot coverage where
the 25 ft. setback is. reouestea there will be no,lot cover-
age in excess of % for any lot that, exceeds 15,000 sq.
ft and, no two such lots shalt be adjacent to the other*
Roll Call: Vote., 5 Ayes,, NOTION carried VOTE AMENOW
TON, CAR UE0
In response to'Commissioner Magnus' concern regarding land -
along the freeways the visual impact, noise ,and mags
o f the multi -family bu ,ldi gs- Coordinator ' oConn s ta . u
that a detailed site plan for the attached housing Is re*
qu red by the Or2dlinance, however, design dir otron can h
provided at this time.
Vice Chairman ',`'auba inquired about the elevation of the
buildings from 1-494. Mr. Briggs, stated they will be pro-
pose extensive landscaping and will provide detailedled plans
for rele He noted that the development will. be cnn-
struct,ed In phases. the Qrst phase will be the single
family residential area that will take 1 1 i to years, the
attached housing will be the second phase acrd r l l take 1 to
I Y years, and, the third phase ll he the , apartments
that w 11 be constructed in apptoximatel l 1/2 years., ale
stated they will Install landscaping with each phase.
Rain 'Motion. 4 VOTE MAIN MOTION611CaltVote -`or ,as once Amended. Ayes,
Vito Chairman Pauba, Nla -* MOTION, carried. 40 NN. Ail
Planning Commission, Minutes
April 13,1, 1 86
Vice Chairman u , introduced the appllo tl. n by 3'a ,s* C. PETERSON
Peterson Associates for ': it low o adl and requested an ASSOCIATES
overvilew of the A ril 7 1,98-6 staff report by Coordinator RUINING,; PRELIMINARY
o onnPLAT AND VARIANCE
Vice Chairman Paba introduced Mr. James Peterson who stated
the main issue is saying the exlstln residenoe. He stated
that because of the project size,.'. he cannot absorb the loss
of houses He stated the Dlrlam development was con»
struoted after thi-5 house and he cannot see any reason for
them to lose It
Vice, Chairman Pauba Inquired if he had considered mo-ving the
home., Mr. Peterson, stated there still woulu be substantial
costs involved. Vice Chairman Pauba inquired if it is
assumed the residence would i -i, there 'a stipulation for
remodeling and fixing up t 4o lie€NteCoordinator McConn
stated the home 'a non-oonforming with respect odo c '
and summarized applicable Ordinance rout ion . The con-
struct onof newhome would need to beet t w rd nanee
standards.
Commissioner Wire Inquired who >. coupies tht home* Mrs
Peterson stated is the Ar. Raymond Severson. it Landowner,
Vice Chairman Rauba opened the Publio earing ,
r and lrs. Rance a t 49th Avenue o r,
Baker inquired about the temporary, cul -die -say; ori the prop- rop-
er y and that Assistant City Engineer Sweeney 'had writtenerty
t0he, -tlhat the deveflcper:is r pgnsible for removal. 4rm
Petersen confirmed this is the case,
Mrs Ranee Baker inquired about the berm -Ing planned at the
back of his. property, and, whether this w.111 be completed
with this development* Coordinator McConn stated the
Improvements are to be undertaken as part of the '" ooddale"
development, that the City holds financial guarantees For
the completion of these improvements- arid, this developers
note responsible for any wore to be completed in the ti ood(!ale
development. Ass's ant 'City Engineer Sweeney oonfxrmed that
the developer will restore the tempuraryt oul-de„--jao area
Including the sod
Vice Chairman pauba closed the Public Hearing.
MOTIONI4 ld 3.rE.fmaJ-r++.x7,5„M" V:K#k414n. Commissioneraa'# lCi 1NOTION APPROVE,.
to, recommend approval for the rezoning, preliminary -let,
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April 21, 1966
the, residence can serve its purpose where, it ist and a nes
horse would be constructed within Ordinance previsions,
ommissioan r Wire concurred stating that the house appears
o be a reasonable structure*
Roll, Call Vote. yes. MOTION carried.
Mr. Peterson Inquired about Condition No., 12, stating that
bermin Is not advantageous and will serve no purpose. He
Is willing to landscape along Vicksburg LaneA
CoiTmissioner Pl fka stated he is comfortable with this lang-
uage and that staff will r-eqqire no more than what is appro-
priate and meets Ord nanoe minimums.
Vice Chairman Pauba ,Introduced the PUD Amendment. for Parkers l,lf f fFEN BROTHERS
U.,A e Development and requested an overview of the April ) CONSTRUCT ON CO.
1986 staff report by Coordinator ReConn., PUD ANEWHENTFOR
PARKRS. LAKE V CKS-
vice Chairman Paube introduced Michael, P flaum, Lundgren 13URG WEPROPERTY
Brothers Construction Com -parry. 'Mr. pflaum stated their, 1aQ3
position is that they are not In control of adjacent land
which Is owned by the City of Miineapol.is., they desire to
continue devel epment n the Fox, flue area Cor < n evn s
had to occur, before further platting of the property, noting
the Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) and: agreements for
aoguisAtion of parkland, The tlm .n . of, These events were
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not under the control of Lundgren Brothers. They are see -
ng to find a remedy within .their control, as the City )O
Minneapolis does not wish to accept an obl' ate on dor public
improvements_ to the Vicksburg West property: Waiting for
the City of Minneapolis is untenable. He explained the
ad acent land to the Fox Burr area is back up for sale They
need to, construct homes in ;proposed `-'cox faun Mrd AddIition
this year,
I He explained they etre preparing to record the
Fox faun 2nd Addition. They are faced with restrictions on
Fox Pun, 3rd, and, the staffs recommendation explains tfrIt the
alternate plan does not address 'publlc safety and the need
for circulation in this area. It is their opinion the
emergency access as pr000sed Is fcasabe.
Vice f halrman Pauba opened the Pub -Ii c Hearing.,
Barry Winston, 16005 Uth avenue Norm inquired about the,
location for the temporary t.oadway Mr. Pfl.aum expl.aained
that t la a means for emergenoy Vehicles moo' access the Fox
faun area from the north.
Pauba Public Hearing,, Vie Chairman closed the
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April 5 1986
Coordinator McConn stated that this situation Is, no dif-
f er nt than 'other property owners Wattling, for development of
adjacent land In order to foster idevelopmen t of their prop-
erty.- The temporary emergency access as proposed is not,
viable and ;does not address, the area circulation and safety
requirements.
Commissioner Plufka stated this is not a viable alternat ve .
as there would lie snow p o I and mai tena ce problems, it
does not have to do with units served, but It the, distance
involved. There would be tremendous risk in the advent of a
tornado, or other disaster because of the distance these
resI'dents would need to travel* Me noted that Lundgren
Brothers are good developers and have contributed much to
this oommunity* however, this goes beyond where the P1aonin
Commission can offer a positive recommendation for approv-
a . Vice Chairman Pauba concurred
Commissioner Mellen inquired about the period of time It
would- take for the City of Minneapolis to resolve th, s.,tu-
ation allowing Lundgren Brothers to continue their develop-
meat on the west. Commissioner Wire stated other devt4opers
face similar problems* Commissioner Pl.ufka stated that the
faot--emains that Lundgren Brothers cannot obtain aocsss to
Vicksburg Lane with the property they control, and the speed:
of development is a major control. He stated the city
Cou oil should rove this si tuaticn # but that even an out-
let from Yumato Vicksburg Lane would be very circuitous.
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sinner Magnus:concurred and commented shat the Cour« it
may know about ether .alternatives to work out a solution,
MOTION by Commissioner Magnus,, seconded by Commissioner MCTTOM TO, DEN
Plufka to recommend denial of the Planned Unit. Development,
Amendment for "Parkers Lake Development - the Vicksburg West
Property" for the reasons: as stated In the April 7, 1,956
staff report* The Planning Comm. ission is aware the develop-
er, Is constrained due to the situat'ons discussed, but the
alternative as presented is not viable and; the City Council
should further review these circumstanoeS'*
Roll Call Vote„ 4 Ayes. Commissioner Meller, flay. MOTTO! VOTE MOTION CARRIES
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NEW BUSINESS
Vice Chairman Pauba introduced the Lot Consolidation, Site KRAUS--ANWRSON TY
tan and #ora anc es dor taus ndersc n e alty, o,. and re- FOR HONEYWELL,. MCS.
dsya+.n of` the Apra:. '.7 1986 sta,f. report by o T` C .'.`
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os}ty /o[v er{view,
SITLPLAN AND
VARIA S '(8 41 .
Commissioner Vire Inquired about the parking and landscap
In,0, Coordinator McConn stated deferred parking, has been
approved I for other deve.Lopments, but the question here is
the insignificant number of parking ,spaces being deferred.
V e C air tin pauba Introduced john Sagat, Architect, repre-
senting -the pet" tion. MrSagat stated the variance for the
canopy is necessary to attain an aesthetic d sign for h
and the,oanopy is proportionate to the building;
size. To reduce the canopy would weaken the benefit of the
building design-. He noted they propose additional -la
Instead; of installing, the parking stalls that are.
not nodded t this tame) they have more than adequate park
Ind for the tenants.
tommissioner Plufka, was shown the graphics involving the
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canopy designs Commissioner Plufka inquired If in order to
meet the Ordinance s.tandardst would this out the canopy In.
hlaifl Mrs Sagat st.ated they would lose or the Canopy and
showed a diagram of this-- he farther stated the canopy Is,
needed to prevent a bo -1 zke :strtlotttiea
Commissioner Plufka discussed the building identification
and signaqe with Mrs. Sa at. Commissioner Wire stated he
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concurs with the canopy design, there are too mare "box s'
being, onstritoted,. Commissioner Plufka stated the building
plan is aesthetically pleasing, anal ininr esata, the ten
ants and visitors will enjoy the protection.
MOTIOR, by CommissioneIr Plufka, seoondecr by Vice ChairmaA MOTIONON TO APRPOV
Pauba to recommend approval for the Lot Cortsolidationl . Sxte.
Plan, and Variances for Kraus -Anderson: Realty Company for
l one wel t osob' ct to the conditions as listed in the
April. 7, 1986 staff report" with the deletion of Condition
Mo, 8, and adding recommended approval for the setback for
the canopy on the north side of the building to the adjacent
parking area, as requested# for the reason that the uild*Ing
will, be more aesthetically -pleasing artd does not inhabit.
ng andpedestan ; traffic or their safety between the building
the parking ,lot.
VOTE # 4 .Ayes.:. Cimm i3sioner 4el .ea abstained., M0'rJOM VOTE - MOTION C.AWlED
ROTICM by Commissioner Plufka,. seconded by Commissioner PAUL Sly MO
Mellen to recommend approval of Lot Consol<ldation/DivisIon, TCORP",
Site Planand, {ar aooe dor Paulormo, Artoc raph, Cor or LOT C SOLIDAT10
ation ;on the Consent Agendas subject to the oonditlons as. I JC D `, $ZTE. P-,LkR
l.isted in the April: 71 1986' staff report* AND VAS.*;
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VOTE* 5, eyes. MOTION oarrIed. VOTE `f ONCWWIEV
NOTION, by Comfftissao'ner Plufka seconded by Com;imissioner PN SIAL XNSURANCE
Mellen, to recommend approval of the Site Plan or Prudential SITE PLAN FORPHASE
insurance Company of Ar er oa on. the Cons; ,nt Agenda, sub eot T d.ACSMP (&6037
condition,.s ,as iSted in.. the Aprtl* . l S staff TION' TO APPROVE .
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VOTE. 5 Ayes. MOTION carr .ed. T TXON C ` ` 0
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April 23, 86
BUSINESS
Vice C h -at rma n Pauba introduced the application by Craig CRAIG SCHERBER
Scherber for "FernbrovHeights" and requested .an overvilevy. P&ZONIN4, PREUMINARY
of -the. Aalril 9- 1986 staff, report by Coot*dinatcrl, Mc_Cona,. PtA,.-'AN -, COINDIT10.3ALT0R
1on f 1 rst con - Coordinator McCona stated the 'Planning OommiW USE PERKIT (85097)
cider the application on February Uo 1986 and forwar0ed a
recommt-ndation for dental*, The C Covaetl cansidered the
pent
lion:'
and referred it back to the Planning Commi ston,.
She oented on the Commissionls previous on ern that thecmmI
developer be responsible for, transition; and, that the dev-
elopment could, become a "small single family residential
island", wit'hin, an area guided for higher ,deersity.
Vice Chairman,Pauba Introduced 804 Smith, Hedlund Engineer-
ith. explained: theng, representing the petitioner. Mr, Smi
development proposal,, and$; that the plan saves existing
trees and vegetation and provides transition. Ho described
development iii the area from lowdensity to the west; the
higherproposedsinolefamilydetaohed,and attacned housing1j, her
density and oommoroial to the east.
Co mmissioner Plufka confitimed the guiding of the area as
shown by Coordinator moconn. Commissioner Mellen Inqvired
where the ingress and egress Would to located dor this dev=
el.)PMentL if the property to the east is not developed.
Kr. Smith explained the fvture roadway design and improve-
11jentS as he sees them..
Commissioner PlUfka stated that it seems this development is
I - suggesting, the Guide Plan Is Wrong; is LA -3 quidin' (amol
phaus; Is the designation for too Wide. Strip zoning
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doo5 not lend itself to: the Gultde, Plan, and compatibleL land
uses,should maintained. Concern Was expresses about estab-
lishing a roly" of detached housing between the road and
attached housing: to the east.
Coordinator McConn stated the concern regarding transition
to, and north and east of this, development.. Oommissioner,
Plufka concurred,
Mrmit, h stated, that in looking at the topography to the
nort0r, there are poor soilsand nothing will be built there;,.
the double homes wall also provide transition.
Commissioner Magnus , -stated, he continues to he concerned
about creating art llis1and-ll of detached single f amily if - the,
guiding Is not changed. Commissioner Plufka: agreed$ rio:1ng
Wtvn law -i
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ing at a xcier question of the guiding In this entire
area inquired Fern an lII be , r four
lanes. Assistant City Engineer e ;, stated teat Fern-
brook will be 44 ft. wide with four lanes.
Commissioner Wire stated that: what ;develops first can be
uye development. A situationlike- i can
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Commissioner Plufkastated the Land 'se Guideplan oontem-
pl'ates planning of large areas for specif to .hand uses which
provide transition to each other. These, areas cannot all
develop at the same time, but the land use should remain
consistent.
here gas Further discussion on "spot" zoning and qu 'din .
Coordinator t Connexplained this request is not inclusive
of a Guide plan Amendment, she suggested the Commission, re-
view the Conditional Use Permik -`terra.
Comidssioner Wire feels this is a unique situation and ques- ues-
to ns Whether this developer should be responsible for thetions
transition with his ,request for lYower, density i- Coordinator
MeConn ,discussed the Conditional Use permit Criteria,, noting
that compliance has not been demonstrated She stated :this
developer is responsible for providintl transition- within'
this development to adjacent land uses.
o ss, oner Mellen stated tht developer wants to oonstruot
single family residential homes that will; not require the
amount of services or sewer capacity needed for higher
density development.
om s ones 'luf a reiterated the concern f gin, -ming a
neighborhood island surrounded by high density ;; jpmentj_
and that this plan Is tens attractive. Vice ChammAn ,: iia
concurred, noting the Commission, lr> charged with a responsi-
bility for the highest. and best use of the land.
MOTION by Vice Chairman Pauba, seconded by Commissioner _Wrloff, FOR DENIAL
Mellen to recommend denial of the Rezoning Preleixnar Plat
and Conditional. Use Permit for Craig, ScKerberlfur the rea-
sons that this development plan Is not in compliance with
the Conditional Use ,Permit Criteria.
Roll Call. Vote. 5 Ares:. MOTION carried. 'SOT - MOTION -`AP.RK
QTWER W,81NESS
Coordinator NaConn advised the f missston there will be
three meetings in lays the 14th, lst$ and 28th.
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The r eetin adjourned at 1 ..tl R. w.