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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 12-18-1985CITY OF PLYMOUTH PINCOKNUSSM DECMER 18 1985 The regular Meeting,_o the Plymouth Planning Cefmnlsslnn 'rids called to order at 700 J% Chairman Stel orwald, Commissioners Wire, Raqnus,, Stu l Berg ( arrived S. P.M.) Rellen and Pauba, KtIMERS ABSENT: Cnmpnrssr neer Plu ka STAFF PRESENT.- Community Devetopment -traa,natur Sara McCann lty Engineer ;herrn Goldberg Community Developmentpmen cr tary Grace Wineman CONSENT '" OM1 TF MOTION by .Commissioner atulberq, seconded, by Cca x sruner MINUTES OF DECOWR Magnus to recommend approval of the December 41 1,985 Minutes 4t 190 as submitted. TE 5 Ayes. MOTION carried VOA NOTION CARRIED IC HEARINGS Chairmanarrman S,i r.gerwalc introduced the request by Harstad m- HMSTAD COMPANfES panies, and requested ar overview of the December 9, ' 9,85 PUD CONCEPT PLAN FOR staff report by Coordinator McCo n. Chairman Steigerwald LAKE RIDGE. ESTATES xpla ,*d the Concept stage of development and that another 551` 4) hearznq would be held at the Preliminary Plat stage, if this petr.tl tt moves forward. Commissioner Magnus enquired about the Metropolitan Urban Service Area (MU,' -,A) line location._ Coordinator McCenn pointed out the areas that can bc serviced and those which arca outside the, MUSA boundary. Commissioner Magnus inquired about the development of the proposed ,parkland at Hud lake. Coordinator McCann explained the park would remain un- developed initially as a development plan has not been prepared, Commissioner Mellen Inquired about the water and sex"er lines to this property. City Engineer Goldberg explained that ex- tension ,af utilities would be at the developer's expense Commissioner Wire inquired about drainage; City Engineer Goldberg explained that the proposed development area would drain to the Bass Coke Area until such time the Elm Creep Interceptor would be available. Commissioner Wire inquired if there is adequate capacity in the Bass Lake area; City Engineer Co, dberq stated the capacity would be adequate until build -out of the Bass Lake ,area. a+m7 _ Page 280 l ann Haat Commission Minutes December 18, 1985 Chairman itelg rwal.r introduced Mr. inert Briggs, represeat. n . the petitioner; and, Mr. 3im Meri:.la, M,erll.a & Associates. Mr. Brings introduced Mr. Charles Weaver stating that Mr. Weaver was formerly with the Metropolitan Council and would be available for any questions from the Commission. 31m i-lerl la =fieri is & Associates,, present -aerial. host - graphs depicting the entire area. He stated that water asi sewer utility easements from, the adjoining ,r would- be acquired and the lines would be extended ut -494. He discusser) the housing types and traffic Ciro lation. He stated that the City of Maple Grove had requested extension of Cheshire Lane from Plymouth Into Maple Grove. It is their opinion that extension of the street is not feasible because of problems with topograph t an existing tree stand, and ma shy areas, He stated that Hennepin County has re- questedested dedication of a 75 ft. wide strip for trail' on the wesv, ra boundary of the property,. They would be, willing to dedicate 50 ft.7 which they feel is reasonable In consider- ation onsid r- ation of the topography and marsh areas. Mr. lieri.l.a stated haat dedication :of parkland on the east side of hud Lake has been discussed with Eric Blank Direc or of "parks and Recre- ation, and that discussion is ongoing regarding the additional. 40 ft. r`explained re tranitio to the ila le Grove res'_ t: dentes; and that they will work to; create a development that will be acceptable to beth the City of Plymouth; and the City of Maple Grove. lie noted that an area of concern by the City of Maple Grove is protecting the pond areas, and more detailed Marrs will design the construction array from the pond, fie stated that the overall drainage for the area in- cludes a large pond in the northwest portion of the property hit# is part of the Stora Water Drainage plan, >nd they will provide ori -site ponding to reduce the drainage off-site Mr. Merila explained the staging of development nd that tentatively they would begin construction next summer. i% r ated that this developer has the same right to develop thin property as those land owners and developers in the Bass Lake Area. He stated that sewer service should be on a first; come, firstserved" basis,. even though this property is on the west side of 1-494. Ken Briggs, Harstad Companiest stated they are in 11 gotiations with Mr. Robert Lee of , prudential for ease- ments. Mr. Lee has their proposals and has verbally stated he secs no problem. Mr. Briggs further` stated they are meeting with the property owner to, the east regarding ease- ments.. They do not suggest this is a public pro em $ And are prepared to take on the expense of providing water and sewer for he development. planning Commission Minutes December 119,55 Commissioner Pa ba Inquired if they had talked *a'th the South Side Property representatives, Mr. Briggs stated they would begin negotiations ' tomorrow. Those owners have not stated their position, but If the property can he purchased the Concept Plan rould, bu revised to include. this laid. He stilted he is .0sure, of service to the property'. City Engineer Goldberq stated that the 1980 Sewer* Report shows capacity available to the 'tier 20004 Chairman Steiqerwald opened the Pahl. ie Hearing. Robert Waib 1, p'1,4nner for the City of Maple Grove,, stated their concerns are for Vie northeast corner of the proposed de el,opment:t and that it be considered for single family de- tached hou inq to blend with the n i(ifib arhood in Maple Grove. " He stated '' they became aware of ' the Maple Grove n i qhb rhoo petition and It is ' ° i.tv's hope tatat the developer will be, responsive to their concerns and will pl4n for adequate buffering and transition. He. suggested that the riqht-of-way into Maple Grove be open for further dis- cussion with the appliea. t and between City staff memh s. He noted thd,. Maple ?drove's base map shows Cheshire Lane ;and thlt verification of sheet :names should be accomplished. Mr. Waibelstate,,b they wartt assurance there will be no drainage problems for residences in Maple Grove. Var n Olsen stated she represents the homeowners in Maple ove and prsented a petition. Tt eir ck)ncerns involve str °*t access) and the fact that traffic could overtax she residentialial. streets. With ultimate development the y would lame to see outlots preserved for proteO-Ion of the ponds and to< provide overflow controls. She requested notifica- tion on future -tagos of development to be sent to the resi- dentst representative as well as to the City of Maple rove and, that there be further discussion regarding land use and design if this :project moves forward. She stated they have initiated communications with Maple Grave, € lvmouth+ and tl rila & Associates. Ms. Olsen i.ntroduge:d fir. Malcom Watson. Mr, Matson stated he has worked. with the Pl mouti 'itv s aff , and he is pleased with the work done ' by Meril. Associates on this development plan. He reiterated the eon - cern regardinging ,the ponding areas that are above the ad ofIn- Ing Trades. He stated that a noigttbor to the north had water problems, and in tb,,, process of trying to correct ; the- problem, heprobl , the pond has receded. He stated the developer will need to be very careful not to penetrate the pond's hardpan which could cause a loss of ponding area. Planning Commission t4inutes December 18, IM Mr. . Watson noted the concerns regarding roadway access and traffic Patterns. He stated they want to provide input: as to y as von= L 1: 1 th th s xt?* t'!?3e t a erl not f tea tion for each =stage of development as it comes In for review. Cwmissloner Wire Inquired about the fragility _ of the ponds.: for, "y't Lwn stated that once the clay basin is cut, an entire pond could he lost, He stated if excavation is done Ivithin 50 ft., of she pond It can create potential problems for the pond and the structures, Chairman Steigerwald inquired about the streetconnection. t1r. War.hel, Planner for Maple rov j stated this needs fur- ther investigation at the preliminary plat stege, but that it is good planning not to abandon the possibility when the opportunity arr.;s s to get the right-of--itay even if the, street is not constructed., Commissioner t4ellen Inquired about the location of thc= closest residences in Maple Grove. Mr. Batson stated then o, is rine vacant loth the rest of the homes have been con- structed.. fie state,! that acquiring right-cif-way may affect one home* ConmiIssioner Pauha Inquired about f ill along the Mdple Grove boundary, Mir. Watson stated that the rear yards of the 4 ple Grove reside!lcps are very flat. He noted that at one time some re-grading was done and ,there has, been some dra2n- dqe problems,, Donna Ryan of ncilmemodar, City, of Maple Grove, stated the City Council does not want right-of-way from this plat Into the City. She stated they are concerned that 63rd ,Avenue Is vary narrow and could he Mpact d by additional traffic. She stated they have turned array all requests for develop ment vest of this area because Rif constraints of access, and wrier Is not available at this !*ime. She stated that peg es- t rrr access t the part<s ovId e desirable. rather than road rr.ght-of- ay. She stated they want to be sure that ther _ i a blending of the neighborhoods of Moth communities in t10 -. theast corner of this development-, She stated she do srk ,,aderstand the "Trani taonal Area" but they witl wxrant to monitor this for adequate screening and buffering. She s at,d they would he more comfortable. with single family detached dwellings so that the residents of =,,-ple Grove will know what will he dove oiled across from-their homes, i Planning Commission Minutes DeoeWoer U. `1 s Chairman , : . 1ntroduc d Mr',, Charler, Wvaver Anokat t0l. Mr. Wea"`-t n cow went * Mr., Srlos statedthey met with neighbors durst --j- the plan- ning stages for Kingsview Heights and they will meet with the Pla le Grove resirdents to explain text "vel.opment propos- at. He stayed wa F would direct Vierila & Assoorotes V) pre- pare an engineering report -n the ponds f investiflate the soils and water table, at d will have drawings prepared that will showy construction v -jr the ponds ° ( a!1 concerns can be addressed. Robert McCormick., a land ,, er in the Hud lake area, in- quired ebo t access tr the park, ck d stated he would not wvant to have to the park on his land Coordinator McConn expla'Ined the. Oat .there Is no specific development plans at this time. She stated that Hennepin County restricts access to County Road 47 and that flan McCormick should contact the City for further information as this development pro r ss s* .She informed Mr., McCormick he could call her or Director -,)f larks and Recreation Eric Btank M Chairman Stelgerwald stated that the east side of laud Like would be tete park setting, and the trail will be contained on this side, 'not in the area of Mr.McCormick's .land. Coordinator MoC`unn further explained that with the prel it i.n_ ary plat phase, a Public Hearing is required and all proper- ty owners in Plymouth will be notified along with the City of Maple Grove rie.g rdinc the meeting schedule. Chairman tAgerwal.d stated the City will notiftie ' spokesperson for the Ha le Grove residents' group. Chairman Steigerwald closed the P •`J io Hearing. Chairman Steigerwald inquired about the mix of housing and peci.l' jcal.ly ) the mix of solar and conventional hones, and whether this has been successful. Mr. Briggs; stated t -hey have built some solar homes within the same development for conventional homes He stated there are new products avail- able in home construction and the' are providing both styles of homes which are less exoensive'to heat.. Commissioner Pau",-, 3gui ed about the phasing of the devel- opment. alt. Ori{ gated that pro= bly the first phase would be the s4 Aly detachee homes, the second phase would, be the mull .,,iily residences. He stated they would build 1.1 the single family homes at one time:, He assured Commissioner pauba they would build all roads, and antici- pate that they, willi complete the streets and utilities in 19871, Page 284 Planni6q Commission minutes Peeemt)er 18, 1985 Cowls loner Wire asked for a clarification on the sewer distrlets, commenting that his concern Is on capaOlty tO Bass lake as development is also occurring on the east side. City Engineer qoldberq stated this development does not goit beyond own sewer district boundary and is part of the Hass LaO Area. Commissioner Wire noted the letter from the Minnesota Department of raanspc:-tatlon MnDOT) regard €tis the noise levels _ from 1.494 teat may exceed an acceptable level, and noise abatement methods may he rewired. Coordinator McConn stated that an environmen- tal review will be prepared and impacts of noise levels will be discussed at that time. Mr, 13riggs, mated that the multi=- eami . dweilings will ` be closer to - -494, and that they may need to prov-4de noise- oofing for those units. However, the property ednta ned wichin this Concept Phan is quire a distance from the 1-494 corridor. Coordinator McConn stated that the Commission could add conditions to direct that additional information on noise levels _ and abatement procedures be submitted for rev. ewo, Cc c a spa on 'r Wire required about the decibel levels. Mr. Briggs ; stated he would direct t erila & Assooiates to l=ook into the tests end standards and to provide this infortration to the Commission. The Commission concurred that the proposal noes qualify as a Planned Unit Development. Commissioner Wire stated adequate tri nsltion should be stressed, especially to the neighbor- hoods in Maple Orr C'*Ommissioner Magnus inquired about the open space provided and th then there would be a Homeowner's Association. Mr. Briggs stated tht.re will be an open area at Mud Lake and around the ponding, access would be provided to the public park and there would be specifical;ions for maintenance of the private open: space. He stated they will be providing more spec*fie information on the amenities planned for tete residents.. Coi-moiss,I[oner Magnus inquired about the Evert- ang between the single, family detached, and multi -family units Mr. BriggS explaired the design of the townhomes and assured. that ..ran-- sition will be prong ;4 d.. Commissioner Magnus iii ui.red about the grading plan ant whether there will he protection for k, the residents from _ju?ty Road 47. 3im, Merila explained that the lots 31** thib area are .,anger, and elevations are both h_iow and above the roddw-Aye He stated that berming ars.; landscaping will be use,. .0 more detailed pians wall be available at tKe Next stage of development. He noted the difference in g- ad f' om the single, to the mu.ltl-family units. Chairman Steigerwald caped a Recess at 9t' C P.M. RECESS Planning Commission Minutes December 18, 1985 Chairmanr er ald Inquired why ttwe County requires. 7 ft. for trallway on, the western boundary. Coordinator McConn stated that the County called and advised that the regioAk l trdil orridor i- 100 to 200 ft. iii iaidth.P It will be a 41ti-purpose trail for skiers, bikers, hikers,, ars s owmo les. Chairfman Stelgerv.,atd inquired about the request for increased let coverage. Mr. Briggs stated that the City Council has asked that there be ident flection, up frit, because of the possible constraints that could affect the larger hornes. Chairman Stelgerwald inquired if they under- stand they should take the steps necessary to stay Within armtaeters of the lots as designed. .ytheaMr. Briggs an. -r d aff rma4r16vel,F. MOTTOR by OL -it mission r Wire) seconded Commissioner Mel"on to ree .1mend approval, of the Residential Planned Unci.- opment Concept Flan for Harstad Companies scab ed to, the conditions as stated in the December j 1985 staff report. Comm_ssioner P stated he onnnsL:s the proposal. He noted t meets the criter.La for a planneo unit development and h< qs faith in the developer, howe,,er, it is his opinion that this is premature development when there are so zany other areas thAt could he for -developed without the extension of sewer crest of 1-494. Hc is concerned about increased traf- fic in t. -.y aareo as -Bass Cake Road (County Road 10) carries more traffic than it con handle now. He stated that a dev- elopment proposal of this size requires additional streets such as the extension of Norgild and County Road fit . MOTION by Chairman Steigerwaldt seeonded by Commissiorer MOTION tul,berg to Amend the %ain Motion by i1JdInq, Condition No. 14 t}oq provide aefles a ry,+d¢, Conditionpedest tr iaan+ y xto yf4aptc, thecorneri>Yf O E {+,kI4 1f4r S'%.k 1uSw:E ifR l` rZOL Sa1+i° }A.G V%47o- ttTt tx4 is" :. fully _ analyzed for land and " 'better blending with the City of Maple Grove. Rule. Call. Vote on Amendment, 6 Ayes. MOTION carried., VOTE - MOTION TO GNU a CARRIC Roll Call Vote on Main Motion and once Amended. 5 Ayes. VOTE - MAIN MOTION Commissioner paubal Nay. , TI CARRIED Chairman Steigerwald caped a Recess at 9t' C P.M. RECESS Page canning Commission Minutes December 18, 1985 Chairman Stellgerwald introduced the application and reading PIES COPYIW AND of the December , 1985 staffreport was --awed , RINTT IE CONDITIONAL U The representative had no questions or comments. PERMIT (85131) Chairman ateigerwalwd'opened the Public Hearing, as there was no one to speak on the item, the Public Hearing was closed. MOTION by Commissioner ' auba, seconded by Commissioner NOTION TO APPROVE tulbe g to recommend approval fr' the Conditional Use: Per- lilit subject totheconditions as skated in the December 91 staff report. Roll Call Vote. ° 6 , Y s. carried.. VOTE - MOTION CRIED hairm nteigerwal. `ed the application and reading M TIN' KLAT -, ELM o the December . , 1, x . dff report was waived. CREEK TOURING CENTER CONDITIONAL USE thai.r tan tei erwaid introduced Michael. Xlatte, 1737 PERMIT ($ 133) Magnolia Lane. Mr. Klatte explained the cAsonal operation of the toting facility, The Commission asked if this was open to the public or only to the club members. Mr.Klatt o stated it would be open to the public, the clubhouse would be open and providing snacks, drinks, and restrooms. Chairman Steigerwald, inquired if patrons are tubing on the . course now. Mr. Klatte explained they are tubing but they have not operated the tow rope at this time and will not until the Permit is granted. He stated that because of the cold weather they have not had a large number of people,`but are hopeful that the temperatures will, be higher in January. Chairman Steigerwald opened the public Hearing, as there was nn one present to speak on the item, the Public Hearing was used. MOTION by omi-i. sioner VTire, seconded by Commissioner Magnus H011ON TO APPROVE to idommend approval for the Conditional. Use permit subject to the conditions as stated in the December 90 1"5 staff report. Hr. Klatte stated the Permit holder would be "Elm Creek Winter Park". Roll, Call Vote, 6 Ayes. NOTION carr .i- VOTE -- MOT104 CARRIED Page 287 Plapaing Commission Minutes December 18, 1985 NEW ISS Chairman Stelgerwald ntr(¢duced the a plication, reading of LOT DIVISIONS AND the December , 1985 staff report was waived. VAIRIANCES, FOR OTS 2 AND Chairman Stelgerwald introduced Mr. Merrill. Paulson, Vision PLYHOUTH CREUVIEW Builders. ' He stated he had no questions or comments. M ADDITION Commissioner dire inquired about the staff reference to modification of the Subdivision Code. Coordinator McConn stated that there have been approvals granted in similar' cases and that c- tinuation of reque%ts for and approval of similar variances show the necessity to amend the Code. The City is ar-icipating the review of the Subdivision Code for any modifications or updating that is needed at this time. Commissioner Wire inquired Odt cher dev lopm nts had been granted this type of variance, Coordinator M60-onn listed Fox Clea 3rd, Cedar Ridge, and Middl:emist 6th Addition as reoue is for variances of %his type. MOTION by Commissioner Stulber , seconded by Chairman 4TIA-H TO, APPROVE' Steigerwatd to recommend 'approval of the Lot Divisions and Variances subject to the conditions as stated in the December 91 1985 staff report, VOTE. A Ayes. , MOTION carried.. OTE - 140TION CARRIED Chairman ateigerwa.id introduced t,e atipl kation, readinq of GARY :KAKACH FOR the December 9, 1995 staff report was vatied. INSTRUMENT CONTROL SYSTEMS, INC. Co "ai sioner Pauba inquired if there is a proble i, lth the SITE PLAN AND temporary ase of the existing building.. Cvardlnator McConn VARIVCE {65124) stated that the Building Inspection Division and Fare Inspector haconfirmed there would e no problem with the, use of the b1ail,An . She stated that the petItroner has verified their intentions in writing, that In 5 years new buildings would be constructed and these removed. Marren Sch1mvove , the petitioner's reps sent hive, had no, questions or comments. MOT1014 by Commissioner Paubal 4econded by Commissioner 1-110TION TO APPROVE Stulberq to recommend approval of the Site 01an and Vary ,nce subjeet to the conditions as stated In the Decemh'r 9, 1965 std f report. VOTE, 6 Ayes. M01ION carried. VOTE - NOTION CARRIED Chairman Steigerwald introduced the application and request- WELSH CONSTRUCTION d an overview of the December 10, 1985 staff report by Co- C - LOT ordinator MoConn 4 CONSOLIDATION, S} pl a. 4T PLA..AND P 1: WIE Rage 288 planning Commission Minutes December 18, 1985 Commissioner Mi nus stated that Without the traffic Signals at the interstinion of 14th Avenue and Hilghwa, ".Olt there will be major traffic problems. He inquired when 0ese sig- nals would be installed. City Engineer Goldberg added that this will be reviewed in the fall. ` of the year and may pos- sihly e sehedu --d for 1967. Co ,aissicner Ma,.ius stated it is his opinion the signals are justified even without fur- ther development. City Engineer Goldberg explained that the construction of signals are dependent upon meeting Warrants from the Highway Department. Commissioner Magnus reiterated haat with development of the grocery store there will be major traffic problems. City Engineer Goldberg and Coordin- ator McConn explained the requirement t #at the gee(: must be e tabl qhed before Installation of signals by the Hinne:ota Department of Transportation. There was further discussion of traffic circulation. Commissioner Magnus requested the Minutes reflect the on - cern regarding increased traffic and upgrading this intersection Chairman Steigerwald introduced Mr. Raul Duna: lice Presi- dent, Welsh Companies. Mr. Dunn explained the history of the project and that this will be the first development by Welsh Companies in Plymouth. He stated they had talked with Red Owl/Wickes and ahout 8 months acro and decided- to, go ahead with the development paras. lie explained that Welsh Cempantes acquired that property and will lease back the ten- aht, space to Red Owl/Snyders e ,Mated that: it is a good pian and he, shares the concerns regarding traffi,. and up ailing of the intersection. Mr. Dunn introduced the development team" Of Mike Wrtanen Architect Damen artier, Landscape Architect; Gary Cz andrud t land Use Attorney; and, John Steckel, Project Manager., Mike Wirtanen, Architect* stated that he hdd been working with Red Owl and Wickes Corporation for three 'years on the pr)ject. He explained the building uses`, size, and con- struction mater alsy haat the site is unique due to the Oao,; that it is surrounded by streets so that front yard -,etbacks are squired on all four sides of the site. He explained the access} traffic flp j parking design' and circulation. Mr. Wirtna aen explained the distance between the ,proposed building and the church site, end, that they have prepared a luminaire plan for outside lighting_ Damon ' Farber, Landseap(-' ` Architect, explained tete ldv lseape plan$ citing the plantings by sp!-,nie and size. He stated there 'would be 3 1/Z ft. berms on all four sides and plant- ings would be installed south and west of the building. - He stated they have provided plantings that are good screening material and easy to maintain. 4e lanninq commission Commissioner inqu*red a*zicut the loadlnq dock Brea in relation to the apartment complex, and whether deliveries would be In the early A.M. which could disturb the r sid ,-ts of the apartments. Mr. Fae er stated they could move additional materials into Vats irea Lo add screening. Chairman S eigerwal.d inquired about the setback fr€am, the nits to the auth Coordinator ficCdnn explained the apartment complex is quite a distance from the development site, 3ohn Stencel) PrQject Manager, stated th-01` the store will operate -hours. They recelve deliveries from mu d A.M. a ttil noon and scm(,, deliveries -at night. It was noted that there . are apartment complexes near the facility 0 New Hope and t vre have been no complaints. Coot d t na tdr t4cConn - stat `d there Is. a .'aper Valu stcrt at County Road 101 and there have been no complaints lodged with 4'he City regarding deliveries to this store. f Cary Gandrudf ttcr ey$ .xpl. -*ned that the variances are not Nuested for economic reasons but because of the unique n -c:e which has four front yards and no side or rear yards iakl,g It neces ary to request the, variances. He stated the hardslx=p its of the excessive setback requirements because of this unique situation. He stated they are sensi- tive to the loading and delivery areas and a higher berg could be lou: in pl. ^e. Mr. Land ud stated that the parcel accommodates the Design enaracteristios and does no approach maximum land coverage so, there is no attempt to in crease the square. footage , F the builldinq. He stated the design I- sensitive to t .e neighbcrhoodt traffic circulation and access, Mr. Gandrud pointed out that half t tn lot acres) encompasses setback restrictions. He xplai.ned,' the til }¢ s =st+at po i n j and discussed the land dedicated for right -of -w -.4y wnichright-of-w-.4 created the crit -off corners of the proporty. Commissioner t agn(ts stated that no other stores, except for Holiday, has outside cart corrals. He stated that with the drive -up facility the cart storage should not be needed. Mr. Won explained ' that the Red Owl is a "Country tore" concept where the customer bags and carries to ve money., He explained that employees pick-up the carts every one-half hour and this concept 'works well at the New Hope faoility. He stated they 'dc have semi ccurIV sy employees, but Aie con - c pt is mass merchandi ang incl udi bel a °gd sou for the customer* Commissioner Pauba agreed tr.at the darts dna o.reate probltfms lan in oma lssit=r1 Minutes December* 18, 1985 Coordinator McConn stated that If problems arise at the Holiday Stare, the managers end owoers have always been do - o erat r e resolving diem, similar conditions of approval were proposed here,, Commissioner S ulbe g ;Mated th%,`c}r mis;,I n does not make decisions on marketing styles, and he would rather see the cart corrals to control where the. carts are temporarily shored on site Mr. Ron Houser,, 2135 Urbandale, stated that he represents the Messiah Church. The church: plans on expanding, and t ore is cur ee n for the view fromthe church.. He inquired about the building design$ materials, and dumber of pa. <inq stalls. Mike Wirtanen responded and used a through -section to explain layout and building height. He noted there are 438 parking stallson-site. Mr. Houser ' inquired if the trash compactors and receptacles are completely concea led. Mr, Wrtanen explained that the trash its loaded Internally .into a hoppers there is no out- side dumpsters and the area will _ e screened.. Commissioner ulberg inquired about the location of the compactors. Mr. Wirtan n pointed them out. There was further discussion regarding a retaining wall on earlier drawings that was dropped because of concerr, about truck and vehicte maneuver- ability neu er- abil.it In the -ea of the loading dock. Otter design chances and `alternatives were discussed. Mr, Dunn stated correspor ice was re-cei.ved from Mr. Sehuett expressing concern about h le screen' ng and enclosure for the trash compactor. He explained that they have not been able to reach a goad solution The Site Plan is important and is fixed because o-0 all the plannin : whien has been accomplish- fixed They have tried to address this with extra landscaping and did consider fencing., However, they felt that fencing was not a good' alternative because of the heed 'For snow re- mGval' and aestbetic=k t4e Mated thay could: look at this again. Commissioner Stul.berg inquired about the tia.sh ick -up.. Mr. Stenoel stated that pick-up Is, usually made between r00, A.M. and :00 .fit., that the cardboard is picked up every three days; and, every fourth, day, garbage, produce and the like, Is picked' up. 114d 1el i Planninq 1 omn,'%i.ssion Minutes 18, 1985 Coordinator McConn agreed this is an important considera- tion there have been certain cases where it has been nece - sary to remind management of no storing trash outside o approvedd areas Mr. Dunn stated they, have a ;professional staff of property nanagesj and it willl be a well-shown project which will e properly maintaltned* He stated Mhey have ars excellent work- Ing relationshto with Red Owl man genie t" There was further discussion 0=1 signage and shoe removal. t4. Dun confirmed they N oLtld haul out the snow. Commissioner WIre stated that the project is well planned but h is concerned that. this Co . is-ion is loo in at another development - that is 'laiger ghat than the land will Commissioner dellen stated thaz a higher degree of success would come with the larger stare and tenant area. Commis- s' ommis- s'oner Wire disagreed stating that grocery stares come .and go. Commissioner Stulberg discussed the front yard setbacks that would commonly be to County Road 6. He noted the landscape plans provide plantings above and beyond the Ordinance re- quirements, but. there should be specific attention giverl to the transition to the church and special consideration qi erl to enclosing the trash compactor area. He stated it is a good building design. Chairman Steigerwald inquired about Olive tune not matching up with the street across County Rod 6. City Engineer Goldberg stated that the whole intersection- may need islands to be accomplished. at the time of 'upgrading. Chai rWtl Atelgerwal.d commented that he would not lite to sez a prob-- lrem i"or the church in the form of a` right-turn only onto County Road 6. It was confirmed that ultimately one of the church accesses would bl ellminat d to County Road 6 and re- directed to Clive Lang NOTION by Commissionerner tulberg# seconded by , Commissioner HOTIOOTO APPROVE Pauba to recommend approval subjeQt to the conditions in the December 10, 1985 staff report and risting the variances as requested; adding Condition No. 11; that the trash compac- tors be screened by a wall, with Increased screening of the Loading entrance. Planning o mission Minutes December40100C MOTION by Commissloner Wire, seconded by Gummi =ision r MOTION TO AMEND Magnus- to Amend the Main Motion by the addition of Condition No. 12 to reassign the proposed number of con1"e'rous plantings to 85 with concentrations on the Olive € ant, side of tht site, specifically around the loading and trash storage areas and use Evergreens to shield the adja n properties from headlight laze from delivery v hicl s. Vote on Amendment. 5 .Ayes. Commissioner Mellen tidy. VOTE AWM14ENT MOTION carried. MOTION CARRIED Vote on Main Motion as once Amended, 6 Ayes. MPTTOIN VOTE MAIN MOTIF , carried. MOTION CAPIRIFED OTHER sNSS Coordinator McConn discussed future m e inn agenda. It was the concen us thn the Commission beid a Joint Meeting with the HRA- oa January , 1986 to be- followed by a Public Hearing to be hetd on January U, 198064 ADJOURNMENT The Meeting adjourned at 114-10 P.M.