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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 09-11-1985CITY PLYHU lel._ 1 , MINUTES sma.maril 113t 1985 Tht, regular Meetinq of the Plymouth Planrrin,4 Commission eels eel lea to order tit 64- P.M. HEMERS PRESENT: Chairman Ste1qerwaitt, Comidsslorr yrs Wire, Magnus Tarrd '`dub WMERS, ABSENT: Com issioners Stulberqj Plufkaj clod STAFF PRESENTt Community Development toordinator Bard ticConn Public Works Dir *ctor Fred Moor City I-rigineer Shermo d erg onnunity Development Secretary Grace W i lema CONSENT AGENDIMINU MS MOTION by Com rls5iou r P iu a, se(nded by Chairman *KN(JTJF_S AUGUST te1ger* L to approvethe M=jnutes of ucust 1985 - MPi ' submitted. VOTE. 4 Ayes. MOTION carried. MLIBERATION OF CAPITAL R V MEN ` PROGRAM (CIP) Chairman Steigerwald Introduced the proposed 1986#199 Capital Improvements Pr qra (CIC) for discussion, Tile Commission began their discussion with the descriptions of the proposers program for. Sanitary ewer. The area Which is proposed to he served by the Pike Lake Trunk Sewer dlscu sed,, The "ommission rioted the input from ;property own, r regardin4 their opirti.orrs that Tennant Compdnv. is hesitant or reluctant to provide ruture development Plans for their property. The o tm ssion stated that if temporary service is provided tale property owners should, be advised that <)nce the Pike Lake Trunk is installed, they would be required to corneat to permanent service. Commissioner Wire confirmed with Public Works Dir otor Fred Moore that the City Couricil els awere of these studies about water uai t w He noted there is a ground wdter level tr.rdv underway which will predict the water levels for future Well ` locations Chairman Steigerwald wonted the omml ,';iorl's -onc ern about openinq the northeast arca dor development and asked 00- ordinator Mc Coria if there had becarp inquiries regarding development in this sired Coordinator MoCona stated that have; several inquiries regardinq they commercial cmided and* She Hated there are Alternate areas avatlah .e for jndustr!-,,I development and residential development. She. rioted that in this area Hewitt et.erseaca ti rimar it'resta 1'et* hey residential land. Commissioner Wire Inquired if ttie property owners, who requested they ;be allowed to be served by a lift ; stati Pae 201 September tlalr ;an t eT rld 1cG, > . record that the c MMis- ion feels it is riot ne*{.ess,-irk for tile re j(,j *Spial areas to developrlclr to permanent service, that, thO ltY, „ Carl t,_j he action to install they Pike Lake Trunk Sewer in T X56 t and, further that if It is found to bc:. ne(;:Sblry to provides the developed commercial-liodustrial properties hitt a temporary lift station,, should be analyzed vow - WATERR Y t tOTJON by CotmDlssloner P uba, seconded by Commissioner Wire to ecommen approval for they Water portion of the CIP Pro gratnl, 4 Ayes. . OT ilei carried. STORN SEWR PROGRAM oMn1 jelrl'` Magnus lrlelc lr ed l the City ounc i.l ivo,Q be looking at fila prohlem of algae in ponds and lade . He noted t becomes wor e -every year N lth':more residentialal d v- e*lopment: where tjwn services chemicals and treatments ars used. Director Moore stated that the Wd ersh d Districts are cll t'ad rt, xd t arl ly (> the wAter equality and will have proposals arid plans ready by next Outy. He Luted that .they City Celarlcsl l wilt be receiving the reports from the Watershed Distrxet ,Commissioner Wire an.a lred i licensing ° the lawn services or recommeodinq tti se ldwn services using non -phosphate fert; t iter wekild be dppro riate, Tree Coty4missiort agreed that informing hqneowners, about the use of non -phosphate fer4 i i r er .and lrlt ,, lRlr on eater quality would be beneficial. ltti ICN by -')mmjssjoner Wire, seconded by Commission Maqnus. to recommend approval for the Storm Sewer portion of the CRP Prc r m, 4 Ayes, MOTION harried. l UILU.IN Fare Station No. 3. MOTION by Commissioner Magnus, sewndesd by Commissioner r auba to recommend approval, for the Build - Irick portion of the CIP Program$ noting that] as suggested by CommI lone 'le#lief'lt Inclusion of art ambulance service should be consideredt 4 Ayes., MOTION carried* P&qKS. PROGRAM MOTION b ommi s lene<r° P uba seconded by Chairman Ste.1gerwald to, reeommeno -approval of the Pares portion of the f.'IP Pr,vt1ram, 4 Ayes. MOTION carried. Page 7-07 planning Commission Minutes September 1 t RECESS Chairman St Igerwal,d called the Meetinlq to t' -,r at 0 P. He stated that the item under ' NeW usi"eSSII' would be heard ahead of the Public Hearing Items. HEW BUSINESS Chairman Stvlqcrwdld introduced the request and an overview C ` of the August $ 19-15 staff report ' was provided byCo- CHllRT R - 0T ordinator McConn. Dl S Ol lrANCE Chairman St ltiorwald introduced Mr. James Schurter who stated he had no commentf, and Nyould answer any questions. MOTION by Commis *,--aer Wir , seconded by Commissioner Magnus NOTION TO APPROVE to recommend appr,.al for the lot Division and Variances .for James and Frances c r r subject to the conditions as stated in the August 28, 1985 staff report. OTE. 4 Ayes. xMGTIO carried. VOTIE€1 141 x",*ARRIED l .ICG'S Chairman St lgerwald introduced the request of Trammell Crow TRAMMELL CROW CO. Company .and an overview of the Seotcmber 31 1955 staff re- WUD PRMIKWY PLAN port was providedby,Coordinator McConn. COWITION& V SE PERMIT AND SITE PLS Chairman Stei erwald introduced Don Jordan, Trammell Gree(65044) Company. Mr. Jordan stated he had reviewed the staff report and would answer any questions, Commissioner Wire inquired about the landscaping on it'? western boundary and if the berry heights are represented on the graphic. Mr. Jordan stated that accurate heights of ad aoont land would be difficult to ascertain without an accurate survey* Chairman Stei erwdld opened the Public Hearing. Dale ilerthiaumc , 16,650 101,-zt Avenue North, inquired about the land that is to be Titirc oF a Sheriff's sale onlonda ,, Mr. Jordan stated that Criterion was the original owner of this property and that the bank Is negotiating a fore- closure, He stated that Trammell Cray„r has been in contact with the bank and the property owner but nothing definitive has been decided by the Trammell! Crow Company on this r t r - matter. Mr. Berthiaume stated that it is- known that Criter- ion has an obligationation to the City an. -it he w nt.s to know, ifion that has been satisfied. Chairman Stetgerwald stated that the Planning Commission is not involved an any finanol.al matters and this should be discu sod with the City Council. pa€fie 1 Planning- om is Slon t1inutes September 11, 1985 Mr. Bei."t idume stated his concern whether tile plans submitted initially, those proposed ttt this time would be of more benefitit the City. d ew puts tan, 13980 39th venue ortb . stated i concern rexc ar%zl x vies residential property values being i1eye zIed by this and inquired west types of businesses IYOUld be, torl nts of this development. lopment. e stated he is : o concernedd about noise levels and wants adequate berming on --A'eeAIIVj to buffer the residential areas. He stated he wants ' an expl,an tl.on of Vir. ertb aur en's cowexn s about the We oT some of tile property. r ordan stated hist what,ev r transpi- e. `ietween the bank and the owner, he knows they are workZnq to find an equitable solut or" He stated it is their opinion, this developmentment plan is the highest and best use of the property. He noted that the tenants, ant will be similar W dose in they existingstn be i ld,itnos and they want to attract quality co tpardes as tenants He reviewed tiles landscape plan with Mr. Persian pointing out their plans to ex an(. the green areas in froat of ; the ° buildino and al.onc A napnI Chairman Steigerwald Inquired about the berm her.e.0wt; Mr. Jordan ; stated they would 4 to 5 ft., Mr. Persian stated that they southwest corner would be. very visible to the residential area and this side shows no bertnt- in . Mr. Jordan stated they would look at this, but that the trail runs along this side, and may constrain the berm locations. Chairman Steiger wall inquired about they distance from Anna - polls Laneo the first platltings. Mr. 3ordaft estimated it is approximately Q ft. He explained the topography; existing trees; ` t la tb par;ln `would be depress 1; and the building set back.. o r a Baur 14130, 401t1h Avenue Northl stated that she can look down they development from the crest of the hill, and feels tile's trees are not placed properly for ade- quate crenin and the berming is no . adequate., fir Jewrdan noted that. the topography to he west is vertically higher than their property and perming -cannot compensate for this. He reviwed the proposed plantinqst noting they exceedend the required number. Si 204 Planninq Cosmislon Minutes September 11, 1985 Co is toner Wire inquired about the j:t) of the site. Mr. Jordan stated the soils will be into the bermin on-site and more will, be brought onto , the site if netcessary. Comm, lssloner Wire stated that he notes the berming for the w rehouse, but horse , is shown for the service center. 1• r* Jordan reg l.eived the site-through section. He reiterated that he would be more than happy to visit with the neighbors and invited the planning Commission to visit tete site, He noted that there are several, lots between this project and nearest residential area*. He inquired if the Commission is requiring that ltie bermin . be increased by onefoot'. o ss ones S r Gated he s not requesting this but W nts the developer to be aware of transition to the residential areas, Mr. p rsl6ii inquired about the level of the: parking lot, Chairman Steigerwald gave him the elevations as proposed. Chairman Steigerriald tlos d the Public Hearing. NOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded by CommissxonurPauba IO T APPROVE to F4x#m Rapproval 'For Trammell Crow Af#8 for the MPUD Preliminary Plan/Plat.. Conditional Use Permit and "Zto elan subject to the conditions as stated in the September 31 1985 staff report, adding Co-edition No. 10 stating that the plan ninr Comm*$Sian shall review a final landscape plan and grading plan with the Final. plat.. VOTE. 4 Ayes. t? OTIOU carried. VOTE - MOTION CAMUED Chairman Stelgerwald noted that the Planning Commission agrees with the suggestion and encourages Trammell 1.row representatives to meet with tete neighbors to discuss final plans for U ndscapinq and screening,. Chairm.-,n Steigerwald introduced the request by Robert Fitch RO " T FITC"t FITC and at) overview of the August 17, 1955 'staff report was CONSTRUCTION, - PHE- provided by Coordinator McConn. LIHINAIRY PLAT", KE- ZONING,. FINAL PLA` Chairman€Iclgerwald introduced Crecy Frank, 1cCo bs-knutsnn AND VAR t (85070) Assoc .ate,,%, —1presenting the petitioner. Mr. Frank explain- ed that Fitch is, present to answer questions and he explained Mr. r itch's efforts to contact the other property owner in. response to staff"s suggestion that it may be better to develop the property as: a "package". However, the property owner to the north does not wish to sell or develop his land at this time or in tete near future. Page 205 Planning Commission Minutes September 11, 1985 Coo:,djna%or McConn reviewed the history of this area .ind that similar issues had been ral,sed regarding premature development. ens. Dreg Frank stated hdtk; It Is the petitioner's opinion this subdivision Is not premature because the devel- opment of the subject property does not:egate- c eVOIOP en of other property in the area. He noted Mr. itch' financial considerations regarding the assessments on the property. Chairman Stelgerwald opened the Public Hearing, as there was no: one present to speak on this Item, the Public Hearing was closed PI TTI H by Commissioner Pauba, seconded b- Commissioner dire HOTIONTOAPPROVE to recommend approval of the Preliminary plat, Rezoning) Final plat, and Varldnee for Robert Fitch for Fitch Addition subject to, the 'conditions In the staff report dated August 1:,852 Chang nq Condition leo. 9 to shoe that the variance for lot width Is split between Lots 1; and Lot 2 for 104..22 ft. P,:sach. VOTE. 4 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE NOTION CARRIED Commissioner dire stated it is reasonable to split the width between the lots and noted that the topography makes it difficult to combine development in this area Chairman Steigerwald introduced the request by the Minneapo- MINWAPOLIS AUTO lis Auto Auction. An, overview of the September 3, 1:985 AUCTION - SITE PLAN staff report was provided by Coordinator lcConn CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENTS ca rman ate igera al d introduced Mr. Nitch Wonson, represent- 85074/85075 Ing the Minneapolis Auto Auction. Mr. Wonson introduced Mr. Val.ter Busch. ter. Busch and Mr. Wonson stated they con- cur with the staff report. Mr. Wonson explained the request and the operation of the business. He noted there has been a steady Increase In the business since 1983 because of a contracts 4.111ey have with Chrysler Motor Corp., and a rental car business. He explained their expansion meets the needs for employee parking, customer parking,. and Includes a truck loading facility. The truck loading. is designed so it will not interfere with the City sureet right-of-way. The akmar site will; be used by the employees on Wednesdayst and provid more space for vehicle s=torage. He noted the plan will correct a runoff problem and will improve the sites by e more efficient utilization of the property. Page. 206 Planning commission Minutes epemb r 11 1985 Chairman Stelgerwald inquired about the northeast corner and i they are nergot atinq with, the railroad. Mr.. Won ort answeredd affirmatively. Chairman Steigerivald inquired if the negotiations fail wouldld they remove some of the parking spaces. tin., Monson answered affirmatively.. Chairman Steiqervvild,opened the Pu alio gearing. Mark Anderson, 1.0324 South Shore Dr, stated his concern about increased traffic, and ree ls ss drivers. He stated that the trucks miss the turn and turn azound on private: property; t Dy use loud speakers into the late e ening'; and, the petitioner should not be allowed to fill in thewet- land. lir.Anderson submitted',a petition from neighbors tyh oppose the request. Chairman S eigerwald inquired what is done to control the - traffic hetraffiatthesite, tire. Wonson stated they do not have signage that directs traffic from County Road 18, and this which may be a good ' idea, Chairman Sctelgerwald noted there should be signage to prevent them from driving into the residential area. It,. Busch stated' they want to,, prevent excessive traffic in the residential neighborhoods, but have not pursued di„r cti.r ial signage as they were not sure what the City wor..ld alloly'« Chairman Steigerwald inquired haw the laud speakers are used. Mr. Hush stated that this is the first time he has been made aware that the louts speakers are heard by neigh- ` bars. He stated they have papers on Wednesday and use the speakers until approximately 8.34 PoM Mr. Busch responded to the questions on signage stating that, because it is a private auction it was felt that signs could be confusing* He stated they use a customer list and these people know the location of the auction site. He commented that they will reduce the 'volume of the` loud, speakers. Chairman Stelgerwald inquired 1f it is necessary to use the speakers. sirs. Busch noted that there are 750 people can the site making it necessary to use the papers. Mr. Dave Hu elle, 1OZ22 o- Shore Dr.,, stated he concurs with ter. p terionr comments, on increased traffic problems and the ,load speakers.. He requested they be turned dovin and commented they riot only r. se thea for raging, but music is played through the speakers, He :Mated ghat landsca inq and trees should be planted arou *d the ,;arking areas to screen them from the residential area and the lighting should be decreased. He stated, the improvements will increase the business, thus increasing the problems as discussed. Page :`0 Planning Commissiot, Minutes September 11t 1985 Commissioner liar n..ts inquired how, .late they unload trucks Mr. Buzzelle stated the trucks are coming and ( goinq as late s ltd *-00 P.M. on Wednesdays and Thursdays* He stated he- lives eliesneartheOakmarsite*, Chilirman, Ste.4gerwald inquired_ about th,d ire#.* Q ; on, of the traffic. fir. Buzzolle stated the traffic goes boc-h cast and west and South Shore Drive is used as a short out to purchase fuel Chairman Stei, e Ewald inquired why they allow 'music to be played through the speakers.. Mr. Busch the speakers can be regulated and the music will be stOj)ped.. Russell King, 10000 South Share: Drive,, inquired if the De arUient of Natural resources has reviewed this proposal. City rn i.neer Goldberg stated that a DNR staff person has been ,to the site and the proposal has been reviewed by Len Kremer of the Bassett Creek Watershed istrict Mr. King ccmw,_nted that the wildlife should be protected and the runoff from hese sites endangers thu wildlife. Mr. Bob Scribnek, 2015 Lancaster Lane, commented on the many problems with the Auto Auction and noted that the City has forced many of the development improvements. He stated they do not take care of their property and that itis perceived they have gone ahead with this project without the City's approvals. e has noticed filling operations on the site. It was suggested that trees be planted at the fenoeline for screening. lie stated he concurs with the comments made regarding traffic and noise cdntrclsi City Engineer Goldberg stated they wou td check on the si ce work and V appropriate,, they will be required to remove the fill. Dick Anderson, 10530 South Shore Priv.., stated he can hear the paging system 6early at his residence. He concurred with the statements' regarding traffic. Mr. 1111onson stated the proposal is not to increase the tot-411 hdmlie of r¢ehidies, but to efficiently utilize the space available for tiie business and for long-term storage, Mr Bosch c6mmentdd that he Is "embarrassed" about these problems and that if he had been made mare of them$ they would be resolved, He stated their biggest problem, is durinck the winter months 4heh they need more storage area. 1r. Anderson stated the Oa% ar site is very visible tol the residents and he is opposed to the increased parking. He feels the landscape'requtrements should b more stringent, Rage 206 planning. Commission Minutes September 11, 1965 Dan Jl osj 10210 South Shore Drive* stated ho e-ohos the Oom- m nts made regarding the traffic and the loud speakers* He noted that he is also impacted by the lightinq from the site. tjr, tjil s suggested 'that more, berm nq aced plantings be r uirod to scree the lights. He inquired who Will monitor the dust levels from the gra,,pied parking areas. He stated ho is well acquainted with Class gravel and two days after a rain it Would be necessary to water it down. Chairman to ort a1 noted that A large area buffers the residential property from this 7.e,. The use of gravel in areas used for outside storage is not unusual, Coordinator cConn stated that conditions, of approval require the petitioner to ;maintain the graveled surface so tease problems are minimal,f and if it is not mal.nvainod they wod4td be required to pave the parking areas, Mr. Busch added teat they will use the graveled areas for vehicle storage so that p -)blurs with dust ,would be minimal,, Al I areas used b customers and employees will be paved, Mr. Rus - ell King inquired about the facilit.y for cleaning the vet Toles and what detergents or oho loa s aro used. Mr, Bu cn, noted the ;w4sh water from one oar wash rack goes into , jjo City sewer system. Cir, ,Andee on stated his concern that this proposal will allow the business to wnoroase sub- sv Iti ll. Rr. Busch noted their growth is r sts ted b the sakes bays as the City Will not allow them to increase the number of bays. , Mark Anderson staled that the business is ongoing, and the traffic problems do not only o(xur on auction day Wcdn sda s , lie roguo ted the Conmission to consider al n ing the sit 1m rove ton.ts: as proposed. Chairman Steigerwald closed the public Hearing. Commissioner Wire stated that the business has grown substantially so that the Commission should be concerned with the transition and landscaping; 4nd, hours of operation. He suggested the matter be deferred for redesign and that the pnti:tion r consider :all the d st usslon points. MOTION bar Commissioner W rej seconded b ommissic raer Pauba ` DEFER to recommend deferral fot, Minneapolis Auto Auct on with direction for re -design with special emphasis on the landscaping, tigh ing; hours of operation (with the suggestion ti-taz these be from 8.00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M.,or 7* -,00 P.M. on auction day), .loudspeakers, and o ffic control Witt) txto, Sugg st%on that fuel be ar,ailable vehicles, on the site). a0e 209 Plannin(I Commission t4inutes Alkk September 1 Comm, is goner Wire inquired about the area on the east side of Ha uhan Lane. ' Mr. Busch stated ` they have no proposal for this site at this time. Mr. Busch noted they are new owners of the Auto Auction and they wantt, to be food nei hbors. Roll Call Vote. 4 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE MOT CARRIED Ctr i.rman Steigerwald advised that those in attendance for the Minneapolis Auto Auction proposal will be e-ed when this item comes back for Coir -mission review. CES Chairman Stelgerwald cilled a recess at 141 -*0 .M . and re- convened at 10-05 P.M. Chairman Steiqerwald introduced the request for Conditional CWISTST R Ai i'se Permitsfor the Christ Memorial Lutheran Church and THERANar reading of the August ,; 1985 staff report was wa ved. CONDITIONAL zi PERMITS (8 5078) Chairman Stelgerwald opened the Public Hearing, as there was no ossa_ present to speak cert this item,, the Public Hearing was closed. h MO T € byCommissioner are, seeun e o ssi.oner Pla nus I T : recommended appro al for the Conditional Use Permits for Christ Memorial Lutheran Church for the operation of the dayeare center and the Monte; sore School subject to the con- ditions as stated in the August 27, 1985 staff report, Roll Call Vote. 4 Ayes. MOTION carried NOTION - CARRIED Chairman Steigerwald introOuced the request by Dean R. DEAN R. 3 O Johnson, Cenvesco, Inc. r Quasi Ridge of Plymouth. Co- CIFINIE Ct , INC. ordinator McCann provided an overview of the August, 29t 1985 XnJD CONCEPT PLA Muff report. kRELIMINARY PL NI PLATO REZONING Chairman Steiqerwald introduced Mr,, 'Dean Johnson who midi,- AND CONDITIONAL cated his desire for 9 to 6 ,ft. setbacks for fle i. aillty to WE PERMIT (85081) be able to shift the homes on ttid lots to benefit from the topography. Chairman Steiqerwald stated that only when site characteristics and "features dictates a special design could side yard setbacks of less th r, 10 ft. in a PUD be consider edr He suggested that if furter eonsideration is elven Mr. Johnson, would reed to specify the .lets affected. Mr. Johnson stated he would wore with staff In this regard. Commissioner Wire inquired how many lots would be requested for reduced side yard setbacks. Mr. Johnson stated he estimates 15 to 0 Pige 210 Planning Commission Minutes September * 1985 Chairman Stelgerwald cautioned that befu e api)rOval of a Final Plat any specific lots iyouls need to be known so that staff can check this at the time Of Building Permit. Mr. Johnson reviewed, the open a rekis punctinq and intenance. Chairman SteWerwald opened, the Rublie Hearing. Richard av dei t 44210 Vicksburg Lanes stated his rope is across Turtle Lake and he Is concerned , about tile leap<Wt this development will have on the take. He, inquired about pondl.riq and storm eater drainaq-, Mr. Johnson Introduced Ready Hedlund, Eno lneer, who explain- ed the pondinc areas and drainage for Che pr,i ect., Mr. aav idem calculates the runoff from thxr, I-roject will. be ubs- t rtia, with 2 Of the 'land user -fury buI Id2Ln sMr. Hedlund stated they have worked with Leh l re serf Bassett reek Watershed 01 trlct grid have, asci rtal ed the flow that can be handled ` by the storm waOr drainage system. lir. avidel.t stated the culvert under County 9 is very small and would ;this he increased in size Mr. Hedlund stated he could riot coniaie tt on fut-:.e devetopinerit t however It -i of adequate size for this development proposal.,, City Engineer Goldberg stated that t o Storm Drainage plan is consistent A lth the City's Storm Wat:Drainage Plan acid If the culvert needed to he increased In size this will he done. Mr t3 vide t Inquired al it and il.l r. Hedlund stated the Department of l tura.l, Re out ees (DNR) have reviewed the plans and Coordinatorr Mldonn confirmed that Judy Boudreau, 1 t stated the plans comply with DNR provisions., Greg Duncan, 1551 45th avenue North, stated he supports the 1ft side yard setback. Me- Is concerned about the wild- life arra that the Pdthiy4y will become an area for trash. fie Inquired about the topographic information., Mr. Hedlund explained the qraphic fi, Coordinator McConn noted the trail width at 30 ftp,, the path is 8 ft wide aria the area west o this trail 'will ' he left in its natural stato# Ellen Dur -caro, 15515 Stn Avenue' J rth, inquired a out the DNR studies. She Stated there are .several large develop- ments in this area and wonders if the DNR is Looking at the total effect on the envirorlment,. t oordinator McConn e L.I#i1ned that tine 011e nas reviewed all the development plans in the area, Page 1' 1 Pl.anninq Commission Minutes 1 Ms. Duncaq inquired about the price of the homes and tile nmoer of builders. Mr. Johnson stated the ricin( f or the heavesi eotativt ly sept this timeo ,,000 to 9(),0()0f but this could change. T1s. Duncaninquired about the amoont of fill, Mrs Hedlund explained they have located the roadway along the ra4tural topography; there will be some soils corrections but no Major areas of fill- and, they are protecti,n the 'gyral features of the property. Darrell Sahnt 4355 1<i.n9 vie Lane, stated, he hats lived in his home 20 yeses and that this project will affect the water flows and, drainage. He, inquired about pars In the area City rnqine r Coldberq e plai ned theCity's team 4Waer terainage Plan. CoordinatorMcConn explained till park dedication r quir € and. the 'Comprhensive park Flan. times Nichols, 15505 45th Avemie lets., :Mated he Is concerned about all the developmentpment i.n this area ano that Plymouth ' is letting development "run rampant". Tom, Montgomery, ery, 0 Kinch iew bane, stawd he concurs with the conicere s of the Bather neighbors and that it seems this development has too many homes for the area. He i.n aired who establishes the 100 -Year High Water Eievation. tic stated this development is not consistent with the other residential areas.. He, inquired about t. , amount of build- able u ld- a le area within this development. ordlnator MoConn explained they 110 -Year blood plain, the Shoreland Management regulations through the DNR, at d Qrdinam density calculations. Mr. Montgomery stated it Is his opinion that; there should he greater transitional area between these developments. l:sct.assion ensued regarding pater levels aho the l.a Aans for this property, Coordinator McConn advised these riles are available for public review. dames Nlchols. stated the developer should meet with the neighbors. ht ors. lir. ll vide t inquired about` -reloss. fir. Hedlund c +r<rirmed they will retain as many trees as possible. Tom Montgomery questioned why .land de i o ted R -1A i s being allowed to be developed with so many Planned Unit Develop- ments, Coordinator MaConn explained the ptlD provision$ Of the Zoning Ordinance.* lir. Montgomery stated that most Of 46 the open space; ppovided with PUD development is not useable. a r Pae 212 Planning Con, miss' to" Minutes 11, 19-85 Chairman Stei erwald closed the Public Hearin . 10TlC - by Commissioner Pauba, se onde l by Chairman NOTION TO APPROVE Stel erwald to recommend approval of the Residential Planted Unit Development Concept Plan, Preliminary Plai Plat, Rezoning, , and, Conditional Use Permit for Dean P. Johnson, envesco, Inc,, for Quail: Ridge of Plymouth, subject to the conditions as stated in the August 29t 1965 staff report and adding Condition No. 15 that the developer shall demonstrate site features and characteristics 11 11, require specj, design consideration of 9 and 6 ft. side yard s t )act s for s tec` iflo lets with submission, of the Final Plat. Roles all Vote. 4 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE T t; Chairman Stel erwald Introduced the request by Robert R013ERT GERSBACH Gershach for Preliminary Plat. Reading of the August 71 PRELIMINARY PLAT 1955 staff report was waived. Chairman Stelgerwald introduced fir. Robert Gersbaoh wlo stated he hdd no comments or questions. Chairman Steigerwal opened the Public Hearing, as there was no one present to speak on this time, the Public Hearing was closed. 4OTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner Pauba MOTION TO .APPROVE to recommend approval for the Preliminary Plat for Robert Cersbach subject to the o,,td .t tons a$ stated in the August 7, 195 staff report, Poll Gell Vote., ! Ayes MOTION carried.. VOTE - MOTIONCARRIED Chairman Ste igerwa.ld introduced the request by Thomas THOMAS EEVEP.ENZ eycranz for a glome Occupation Conditional Use Permit. CONDITIONAL USE leading of the Auqust 281, 198:5 staff report was waived. PERMIT - HOW OCCUPATION (85085) Chairman Stei erwald introduced ` Mr. ' Thomas Levere z who state his concern with staff Is recommendation ` for no, ' signage,, and that he would appreciate the opportunity to address this later. Chairmak; Stei ert ald opened the Public Hearing and introduced Mr. Dale Berthidume. Mr. Berthlaume stated he had no comment. Chairman Steigerwald closed the Public Hearing. 111dottinq CommissionMinutes p.eambe r NOTION by om ssioner Paubtij seconded by Commissioner 140TION TO APPROVE Magnus to recommend approvdi for the Conditional Use Permit for a; Homey Occupation for Thomas Leverenz subject to the: Conditions as stated in they August 28, 1985 staff report Mr. Leverenz explained that an offehydr hoes Is to his property so that signage, used for his business should not be a problem. He also reported there is ether signage in they neighborhoad. Commissioner Pauba commented that qtr. Leverenz has the, right to come back with a signage request, but that in a resi- dentially zoned area it would not be favorable. Coordinator MrGonn t onfirmed they City has requested they removal; of the signage referred to by Mr. Lov r n . Roll Gall Vote. 4 Ayes. MOTION carried.. VOTES MOTION CARRIED Chairman Steiqerwald introduced the request by Robert ROWRT LAMSON Lamson. Coordinator McCona provided ars overview of the COWREHENSIVE PLAN August 3Q, 1985 staff report. AMENDMENT I VARIANCE AND LOT DIVISION Chairmanan teige rwatd introduced flr. marry Maro sky, 2835 85084) Medicine Ridge, epresenting the petitioner.. qtr. Marof sky stated thebpetitioner is aware Bather property owners do not gat sewer service $ but that this should riot negate lir. Lamson's request. He stated that the City of Minnetonka has informed Mr. Lamson they; would allow, service to the, proper- ty. Mr. Marofs y stated that staff's recommendation would cause the onduma-hien of they property and would create a substantial expense for Mr. Lamson. He docs not agree with the rezoning. He, explained that Minnetonka/Wayzata could service a maximum of four lots.. He stated that Mr. Larson is willing to install a syste=m to City standards and that this service would theca be available to others.. such as they property across 0e street. Mr. Mar t'sky statee that '14r. Lamson would restrict further subdivision and would prepare covenants to maintain they roadway. Mr. Mdrofsky stated that. Ur. Lamso 's petition Is feasible and provides a workable plan. Chairman Stelgerwald opened the poi, -.lis Me rine . Chairman Stelgerwald ia'Lx eaduc l lir. Gary Bluem, ZOO Black Oaks Lane. Mr. Bluem stated he is representing 13 property ownersrs and .has .been assure - at input from the neighborhood will be Heade part of the ilecord. The residents have spent substar=tial sums of coney to care for the natural arras sur- rounding their humeri. fie submitted photograph f>:;r the Com- om- misslon'smission'sreview that show what damage: could be dot,,e by these development plans. He noLiad that this group,of home- owners have been instrumental in the clean-up of Gleason , Page X14 planning Cowm s ion mutes September 11, 19,15 Ldket they have installed aerators to assist eater quality and t. vo maintained the area, Mr. Bluem explained h dangers of runn og sewer line and commented that they have installed _ culverts under Black Oaks Lane and have no drainage problems. He statedthese hoes do not need to he part of the City sewer system as the residents have purchased very high. ualty septic systems that are in full compliance with all City Codes. He asked the Commission's consideration of the residents opposition to this petition. Chairman Steigerw4ld closed the Public Hearing. MOT taN by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner Magnus NOTION TO DEQ to recon6end denial for the Comprehensive Plan Amendment, ariance, and Lot Division for Robert Lamson based on the reasons reflected in the August 30, 1955 staff report under Recommendation C and D as discussed Larry Harofs y discussed rezoning and patting with the Chairman ,.y, ei raid inquired if there would, he a MOTION, to eoonsi.de, * No Moticn was made Roll Cali Vote. 4 eyes, MOTION curried. VOTE MOTION CARRIED Chairman Stei erwa d stated this is a 'very unique situation however, the Commission is guided by specific planning practices and this is a proper recommendation. Chairman Stei erwald Introduced the request by Holiday HOLIDAY STATION Stab nstc rc- , Inc. for Site Plan and Conditional Use Per- ' Tfl !S » mit Amendment. R(jtti=iq of the September 31; 1985 staff SITE PLAN AND report was waived. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT Chairman Stel.+ er a .d Introduced Mr. 3erry 3ensen, Holiday 85088 Stat onstores, Inc.,Mr. 3ensen stated he would address the stacking problem. Thaly are aware ttxc do not comply .and according to the technical terms of the Ordinance, the plans remove it further from compliance. Ho ever j, it is his opinion that the Orurnance Is -designed for drive-in banks and fust food restaurants where the product user has an attachment to the facility, whereas in this instance convenience Is a,, necessity.. He stated they want to accomplish the same goals as the stacking requirement of the Ordinance but stacking indicates waiting. This ;proposal will increase the nozzles which Will eliminate the gait, sending the customers through the aisles faster, thus alleviating the stacking problem e stated" they have done this in other facilites with success and ianninq commission t4inutes, September 11, 19 that m rir pump', i F ands s proposed will eliminate stacking 4y M. He statoo that to vome into comi- t.ianee, they Mould have 'to remove 4 i1ozzles,car tr'O dis n- s rs and this ou .d reduce the edp,101 tyr toW iCe eusto- f" sI He stated It is difficult to re.floot their Mea throuq a toe provisions of the Zone 5 , Ordinameo, but assured the Commission their goal is to prr,11,1veat problems and delays. Chairman Steig.erwald stated his is not concentrated on today, but in the future when,`the eastern 421 ao es dev- elop and the, frontage road t, oxt ndod. He noted that County Road 15 improvements will, create additional traffic. He is uncomfortable with this proposal without Additional and to provide batter site circulation and stacking areas. Mr. Jansen stated that the pump island is designed with pas- singaisles on both sides. Commis tGndr Magnus noted that he has visited the site and you can't pasp through. He also noted there' are no "No, Parking" signs on the site. Mr. Jensen stated there should be si ng Commissioner V, nus stated this is riot the dose and there ' is no striping to instruct motorists where to park Commissioner Pa ba obsor A that any given service station may have two cars waitirq but when seeing a number of ears, people will not wait axed adding fuel pumps won't make that mveh difference,, Mr, Jensen stated he cannot agree that a(ldi.ng 4 nozzles on two dispensers will not Increase the service capacity. Chairmanteigerwald inquired abort the ratio of load tono- lead goso inns Mr. Jensen stated it varies from area to r u but they sot, uta and readjust for the product demand. Commissioner Pau°)a commented that the layout should be like a drive-in _bank to provide the stacking space. Mr. Jonson stated this site is shallow and developed with required parking per City standards. He stated they do not need half this parking because they meet < the parking requirements there were- only two wa to set the pumps. Commissioner Ma nus inquired about the dial pumps that dis- pense more than one product. Mr. Jensen stated they have had no experience with this type of pump. Commissioner, Wire stated the ` extension will create problems and cause vehicles to block the entrance, Mr. Jensen stated this would not be the case* He suggested that staff contae the Brooklyn Park facility to confirm his position that the capacity to service the vehicles is enhanced by the additional pumps. Page 2 141 Plannino Commission Hinutes September 11, 1985 n h PtIb io Hearing. Chairman ," opened Tr. 31m Tietzel commented there should hc, no major traffic problem tin the service road at this facility. Chairman Stelgerivald closed the Public Hearing. MOTION by Commissioner Pauba, seconded by Commissioner HOTION TO DEW Magnus t(; recommend denial of the Site P, inn and Conditional Use Permit ,Nuendment for Holiday Stat onsto es, Inc. for the u r - m reasons that the plan does not meet the tacking require- nts the Zoning Ordinance and the variance criteria havements riot been met. r. 3enso n commenced they are not increasinq the olwu., are. inor gas nq t aie capacity to move the customers through in ' a timely manner. Poll Call Vote. 4 eyes. MOTION carried. VOTE - NOTION CARRIED Chairman t t-po ward int-od gad the request Lundgren BROTWERS Brothers, Construction Company 'For RPUD Preliminary Pian/Plat CONSTRUCTION COMPANY and Conditional Use Permit Amendment for "His i n `rails". RPUD 'RELI IO-ARY PLAN Reading of the August 28, 1965 staff report was waived. ved. FLAT AND COWITIONAL USE PERNIT AWJOWNT Chairman Stelgerwald introduced Peter and VtIchael P , aum 85091) representing Lund ren , Brothers., Chairman 8tel erg ald inquired about the change to the PUD Pian* Peter Pf laum stated they had met with residents of the Hiss on PUT} who were in favor enlarglog the lots. He voted they are attend ant to the consumer and though they could, develop 36 lotsf they prefer 26 lots for a better use of the land. Chairman Steigerwald stated his concern that the PUP Plan- s losing units ,and the Plan was originally approved for a good mix- ture of housinq types. He inquired if it is thought they will bring in further amendments regarding the multi -family units. Peter Pflawn stated they would come puck as needed in reaction to the market. qtr. P laum reviewed the housing types and numbers noting that the singles family and multi- family units are close to being a 50-50 split. Chairman Steigerwald stated the overall project is very good) but It is Important to maintain the originai intent o the plan. Commissioner Wire Inquired about the area west of 41st Street. Michael Pflaum explained the area and the inclusion of passive open space. He stated that with the exception o the number of lotsf the only other change is the appropria- tion of Jand to the east of the open. space for the rear yards of the lets. This was done to Provide privateback- yards for these lits.