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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 04-24-1985CITY 01;'PLYMOUTH PLANNING CQ . ISSION HIUMS APRIL Z41 1985 The regular meetinq of tb^ i4lYmouth PlanniGg Commission was called to order a—t 7:30 P.114* PRESENT: hair an Stelgerwald, Commissioners Wire, Stulberg, Magnus, Pl. fka, Mellen, and Pauba ENT NON STAFF PA NT: Communityunity Development Coordinator Sara McConn City Engineer Bherm, Coldberg Community Development Secretary, Grace Wineman CONSENT ACENDA MINUTES MOTION by Commissioner Magnus, seconled by Commissioner INUT S - APRIL Plufka to approve the Minutes of April 10, 1985 as ` 10, '198 submitted.. VOTE, TE, f Ayes, MO 7 ION .1•r't3rri ed. 14JOLIC HEARINGS: tarrman Stelgerwald Introduced the first public he ur Ln; E S8NQkRYPETERSON - item and asked- Coordinator McConn for an overview of the 380CONSTRUCTION30 April 15, 1985 staff report, Coordinator: McConn clarified COMPANYIPRELIMINARY that there was only one variance request relating to fhe lot PLATOFINALPLAT width for Lot ; rather than a request for two .dot ,width VARTANCEFOR variances as reflected in the report. XEIQWRtS CREEK 85005) Chairman Bte1gerwald introduced lir. Greg Frank, McCombs - Knutson, representing the petitioner. Mr. drank introduced Mr. Gary Peterson, ` petitioner. Mr. frank nGted a letter submitted by the petitioner dated March 14 1985, addressing the fact that all three lots meet the Ordinance ,tandards, except that Lot 2, requires a variance for lot wi0th. He noted that this; lot` contains the existing residence. He ex- plaandd that, neighbors had shown' some concern ' when review ng the General ()evel opment Plan showing building loca- tionr° Be further explained that the residence4 would be set urther back on the lots than what is shown on the r r 3e ingsl the graphics diagram minimum yard areas. C ` Issioner Plbfka inquired about the residence location on Lot 3. Commissioner Wire inquired about the lot size' for Lot 11 and the proposed driveway ter. Frank responded that the drive would be on the east side, following the terrain, and the residence would be built on top of the knoll;. Page 90 Planning Commission Minutes April. Z4f 1965 a Steiger wal.d opened the R I)ll,c Reamngr Dr. Nathan Plimpton,, 15315 5th Avenue North$ stated that the west side of tot l is low land and that there could be prob- lems with seepage into the basemen: of a residence on this lot. Mr. Greg Frank confirmeded and Chairman ateigerwaldex- plained that the residence is proposed to be cogstr oted on a knoll (highest area) of the lot and would line -cep with the existing residence. Coordinator l cConn stated that the lots area Is not p=ert of a Stora Water Dralnige 111 an, Commissioner Plufka inquired if the construction would, be above the 990 contour-, Greg Frank 'answered affirmatively. los. Helen Rusten, 18420 8th Avenuee Horth, inquired if gar- ages would be constructed with these homes, and would the gazages be within the required setbacks from the property l.:nes. Coordinator McCohn explained thea* were no variances requested for constructing the units and the could meet the setback requirements* Ms. Rusten Inquired about the type of homes to be constructed. Mr. Greg Frank confirmed and ' Chairman Steigerwald stated that the homes mould be simllir to those already constructed in surrounding neighborhoods. Chairman Steiqerwald closed the Public Hearing. MOTION'Coit ss rjs r, ed , Com issio€'ter I ir TO APPROVE Plu'ka to recommend approval for the Preliminary Plat, Final. Flat, and Variance; for Gary Peterson, Orono Construction Company for "Nteighbbr's Creek" subject to the first 5 con- oredditionsasstatedintherecdnendationsandcharingCon- tion No., to indicate approval, of the front yard lotdition widthvariance* and adding Condition No. 7 that the setback for Lot I shall'` be at Least to the contour of 990. Commissioner Pauba noted that the variance is minimal and that this proposal is the highest and best use of the property. Commissioner Pl.ufkas commented that moving the house to the contour 990 will do the least amount of damage to the natur- al terrain Roll Caul. Vote, 7 Ayes. MOTION carried, VOTE _,MOTION CARRIW Chairman Stelgerwald introduced the application and request- DAN R4BBTNS, 3ERRY'S ed an ; overview ' of the April s, 1985 staff report from Co- SERVICEf INC. ordinator McConn. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, SITE PLAN Chairman Steigerwald commented on his concern regarding AND VARIANCE (05012) treff e oirculation Coordinator McConn explained the one- iwy circulation system. Page 91 Planning Commission Minutes April 24, 19805 Chairman Stelgerwald introduced Mr. Dao Robbinsrepresenta- tive. Mr. Robbins stated tha" lerry's Service has been I the gasoline rales and auto _4 vice business for 30 years. They feel that Plymouth is a good location for this business which, will be ownerloccupied. He explained that they had not had a chance to meet with the Homeowner's Association as Mr, Roder Eggent president of the Middle East HOA has been out of town, but he has spoken with him by telephone and l r * Fqgen concurred that the business Is a needed service for the area. airmen 5teigerviald inquired about the concerns addressed In the staff report regarding stacking: and how this *would be handled. Mr. Robbins stated they had been remiss in getting all the details to staff in a timely manner. He thanked staff for processing the application for Commission review, He stated they want to be open for lousiness this summer aand have hired employees this location so they can be assured of having good people working here. He need. `khat the majority of vehicles entering the facility will be going to the gas pumps which w'Il be the primary use, and there would be no obstruction because of the rapid movement of vehicles in and out of; pump islands. He noted that, their pian is similar to the Holiday Station Store in that they are without Com- plete circulation on the property. lie explained they would be using "Multi -Product Dispensers" (MPEG) which` Gan servo 12 vehicles at the same time. He noted that Holliday could serge only 8 vehicles at one time. He stated that the aver - are time per vehicle at their pumps would be 4 minutesand vehicles at Holiday would be on the site much longer because of the convenience store. He stated their studies have shown they will be able to serve 180 vehicles per hour, and pump 11800 gals of gasoline per hour, so they are notwor- ried about the stacking. ter. Robbins introduced Mr. Mike Eicher, Pump & Meter, their consultant who designs equipment and site layout. Chairman Steigerwald inquired how would they deal wi h a driver who straps at the fir%t pump and obstructs the lane for other vehicles.. Mr* Robbins stated that, other vehicles could pull xc, on the Cather side but he doesn't feel this would happen with a one-way system. Coordinator McConn stated that the east access from the County Road frontage road is two-way and a one-way access Is on the -,,jest Page 92 anninq Commission t4inutes pri,.l. 24, 1985 Mr. Robbins stated the eastern exit from the pump island to the shared drive will tae posted "lid Entrance,". He Commented that the hoses on the pumps are ,long enough to service the vehicles from either side. Chairman Steigerwald stated there are problems other than stacking i vehi.cl, s can drive in from the east to the PUMP5-* Mr, Robbins stated that they should be ,tale to handle this si. uatlon, and, it has worked successfully at other stations. Coordinator Mc`onn stated a concern that the joint driveway must also function to serve the adjacent property. Commissioner Plufka ` inquired about the parking space re- quirements. oordinator *1'bConn stated the requirement is for 20 spaces, ,they have provided 29. Commissioner Plufka statedthis may solve the stacking space required)' as some of these spaces are not needed and the building ;could be set Haack. He noted teat the eight additional stalls could pro- duce an "evesore" on the site, in that vehicles would be parked there through the week waiting for repairs. Mr. Robbins stated that they wanted their plan to provide more than the Ordinance minimum, and they wanted adequate parking on-site; he noted they also exceed the landscape requirements. Commissioner Plufka agreed with this, however) he noted that the primary use on --site is the gds peps and that they should not need the additional parking which would then provide an option to co-rect the stacking problem. Coordinator McConn stated the bull -ding can be moved only so far to the north, as it cannot encroach into the storm water ponding area. Commissioner Plufka noted they could attain an additional 18 1/2 ft and riot encroach Into the ponding area. Coordinator 'McConn concurred but noted that adding a greater depth 'will not gave- lengtf that; is needed to the pump islands= Commissioner Wire inquired if the: drive on the east side could be widened. Coordinator McConn explained the _width ,is fixed on the east which is adjacent property. Commissioner Wire stated that on looking at the plan the entrance on the east side could be widened to provide stacking space* Co- ordinator MoConn explained that the stacking v hicl*)s cannot Interfere with .the driveway, as it is the primary ''entrance to the property to the east Chairman Steigerwa,ld stated that$ on other occasions prob- lems with stacking vehicles on proposed sites have cote be- fore the Commission and he is personally hesitant abeatat this Page 93 platininij Commissiolt Minutes April 24, 1,98 plan. He a(Ire d that the service is needed in the area, however,, a large number of gas pumps on 'a small site Can cause traffic problems that will frustrate the customers who may not return if they cannot conveniently get in and out of the facility. Commissioner Stulberg inquired if it would be feasible to flip-flop," the; service bay area to the front and have the cies pup the rear of _site.fir. Robbins stated this weu .d not be w rkablel the gasoline dispensing must be visi. ble to 'tile driving public. He stated that with the type: oe equipment they have., vehicles will be served much faster tutting down the time the vehicle will have to remain on the Ate Mr. Eicher stated they are very experienced in the area of installation and use of MPD equipment. He explained tete neA concept mptomg that he does not believe there will be a stacking problem anj that drivers will find it easy to get in and out of the facility. He commented on the Wayzata Standard station that is next to a McDonald's and pumps two mill lon qal l ons of gas per year. ChArman Steigerwald noted thaw this station is between two major streets and h !, a two-way exit. Mr. Eicher stated there will he employees on the site who will uirect traffic if the need arises; and, that there will be adequate signage showing the way for good traffic circu#,,iti.on. Commissioner Wire stated that concerns of providing for stacking came about at the time of the gas shortage; but perhaps the demand now is less. He agrees, with Commissioner Stulberg that changing the pump location to the rear of the property would provide a better stacking pian. lir. E1oher Mated this would not work from e marketing standpoint; the consumer wants to see the pumps and would not read the signs directing 'them to the rear of the building. Commissioner Mellen inquired if they , could en -roach to the vest. Coordinator McConn explained that the Ordinance comp- rehends omprehendsa`reducti.on in the side yard for shared parkins and joint drives, but comparable yard arta is to be provided elsewhere on the site. City Engineer oldb.g explained that the g est drive is wide enough for two lanes of traffic and still provide enough room to 90 to the service hays..' Commissioner Stulberg questioned this and Mr. Eicher ex- plained the circulation. Commissioner Stulberq commented that as a personal choice he would not approach a pump that would require ha ra to pull the hose over his ear. Page 94 Plannihq Commission liinut s jr 1 T_ A Commissioner Pl.ufk.a noted that the full-!=erviee area would have Less problems with sta.cinq and td at the plan shoes the self-service with less space. omissi.oner Pauba s ;*ted that they pumps should be moved to the east to ft., and fie would like to see urd t to thy:, pump islands from the shared drive widened. Mr. Eicher stated that to move the pumps requires them``to move the entire facility and they may not : he able ;to meet the setbacks. He -stated they had looked at alternatives for location of the green areas. o i.ssioner Magnusinquired if additional space* could be gained between the pug ink islands' so that gars could by-pass to exit the site. Thr. Eicher answered ne at',v i . Commissioner Magnus gave an example of a station; he has visited where it ''.s possible to -eget. "boxed ins', and this is very frustrating for motorists. if an additional 2 ft. could be gained,to move cars in and out this would provide a better plan. Cdr. Eicher and Mr. Robbins agreed ;that the building could be moved back 10 ftp. to widen the center -aisle providing space for vehicles to pass. Further discussion ensued regarding the berminq and plant- ings, and the potential of reducing the front yard area. discussion ensued regarding potential grading problems. Mr. Eicher noted that they need to maintain the contour Lines{ Coordinator McCena asked for a confirmation as to whether the Commission had reached a consensus to eliminate a row of parking stalls. Chairman Steigerwald stated this is a decision that needs to be made, but the consensus seems to be to move the building a minimum of 10 ft, to the north to create wider drive a .sle$. Commissioner Magnus concurred, rfAterating that the vehicles should not be blocked in, but, allowed to move out through a center aisle. He stated he does not want to see the berming disturbed' For. Jerry Robbins, reps senCativ , stated he does not be- lieve there will be a sacking problem at this facility ` be- cause the vehicles will be moving In and out so rapidly. He noted they will have employees at the foi.lity that will move cars that block the traffic flow, and they will, direct traffic if necessary. It is their feeling that one-way circulation will speed up the operation. Page 95 f>,janGjnq Commission Minutess April C-, 1985 Coarlissioner Plufka inquired of the petitioners, if they agreed with COMMISSiOncr suggestions. Coordinator McConn in response to statements mdde about the Holiday citation Store, stated that their plans met the Ord- inance standards. She noted that staff has supported the variances on the, east and east sides which decrease the setback to the bui.ldingf, moving the building to the north will give a similar gain in aisle width to provide the by-pass lane. Chairman Steigerwald confirmed there would be 5 ft« betty ea the buildinq and the north parking area for shrubbery. Co=lssioner Stulberginquired if the full-service area is closest to the buildinc. Coordinator McCona answered of 'irmati,vel.y« Commissioner Wire inquired about the landscapipq and noted that in keeping with previous direction given ;by the City Council that the some of ,the 14 Black Hills Spruce trees be moved to the south side of the property to screen the facility. Dan Robbins stated that the Holiday Station Sore was knot well received by the nei. hbcrhood, and that their facility is much more to the liking of and needed by the residents of the area, Commissioner Wire ' noted that he is a "neighbor" and like other residents would like to see trees on the south side of the building to provide screening. He noted that the City Council direo ion was to provide screening from the service station lights. Dan Robbins sated that their, building is attractive; that they are. using, landscaping that will enhance the area; agdt they mould not want to completely screen the facility, nairmen Stelgerwald confirmed that recent action b,, the City Council required more screening for a similar f Pi li;ty. Dan Robbins Mated they will deet` with the neighbors before the City Counci.l considers their application, and will have their landscape architect attend this meeting to explain their landscaping plans« Commissioner Pl fka stated h- agrees with Commissioner Wire that they should use additional evergreen trees (8 f « In heitlh ) to shield the neighborhood from car lights a=* the facility. Page 96 Planninq Commisslonnut r, April 74, 1985 0fair gab Steigerwald ;opened the Public; flearingl as there was ri one present to speak on this Item,, the Public Hearing was closed* MOTION by Commissioner Magnus, s, seconded by Ce mmissioder MOTION TO APPROVE Pluf a to recommend approval for the Conditional Use Permit, Site Plan, and Variance for fan Robbins for Jerry's Service, Inc. per the recommendations in the staff report, adding the following to Condition No. 14.1 standards, and re- location of the building to the north to provide by-pass lanes In the center of the pump island area and the south pump area; adding Condition No. 1 *1 that the Landscape elan shall relocate conifers to the front yard area and the berm shall be extended In an east-west direction. Commissioner 'qtulbercl stated lie is against the Motion,that a recommendation should be deferred for r de.ii n; and, he would like to see the Site Plan revi ions» Commissioner Pauba concurred stating there is room for Improvemegat; ands the °Commiss on should review the site plan as redesigned. Commissioner Stulberg,stated theby-pass alste.s may solve the problem, but he wants to review the re-design. Commissioner Wire condur*eco# but inquired about the time table for the petitioner and whether deferral could be critical' to them. Dan Robbins stated they have hired employees who aro on their payroll now; they also want some. lead time to work out the problems with a new installation,, and, want to open for business this summer. Commissioner Wire inquired if the Commission can make their recommendations for redesign e.nd'move the application for- ward. Coordinator McConn stated that if the Commission fools the direction for redesign resolves their concerns they can forward the application to the City Council with those recommendations; however, if the chandos are thought to be sl,gnif cant, it would be appropriate to defer action and require the revised' Site Plan to come back for their review,. MOTION by Chairman Steigerwald, seconded' by Commissioner "OTION TO AW31 Plufka` to AMEND by adding Condition No. 16 to read that all gas pump lees will be manned by attendants who will; oversee the operation and direct tra fie flow,, and, that the Multi Product Dispensers (MPD's) will in fact be installed at th1 s facility. I Chairman Steic rwald commented that this could alleviate most of the stacking problems'. Roll Call. VOTE. 7 Ayes. MOTION TO AMEND carried. VOA NOTION CARRIED Page 97 Planning Commissi Pke 98 platitlina Commission Minutes April 24, 1955 Thairma'n teligeri a d; noteal that the Site ill have adequate li htl q and that employeesees svill be there during business hors Commissiiolrertdlberg faired if this recommended con- dition is part of the Conditional Use Permit and that, if there is non -c mplian-e or complaints are verifiedf this Permit can be revoked. Coordinator McConn confirmed this and added that as staff inspects the site or upon receiving f.-,omp .a*nts the City can require a public Hearing to con - Sider revocation of the Permit. Commissioner Stulberg stated that employees s ou'ld attend the full-service nd self-service lanets at ;all times* Coordinator McCont, confirmed that proposed Condition No 17 included p rk1f*,q ,-cmpany vehicles 'inside the building. hairs an Steigorwald advised the representatives that this Amendment to the Motion includes those vehi,-les owned bythethe operation. Roll Call VOTE on THIRD AMFJ04104T. 5 Ayes. Commissioners VOTE - NOTION CARRM Mellen, and Plufkaj May. MOTION carr `.ed* commissioner Wire inquired if the Commission should recom- end an additional number of plantinqs be provided on this site. Commissloner Plufka ,'„t: ted that, in his Opinion it is not appropriate for the Commission to designate the number of plantings; ands that the recommendation for conifers rather than deciduous trees is adequate direction on the lands ape plan.' Commissioner Wire stated that he would like to see the, num- ber of plantings increased because the neighbors would be Interested in seeing more tees on this site to screen the facility. Dan Robbins reiterated that he plans to meet with the neighborhood association and will have his landscape architect attend the meeting.Commissioner Wire agreed and suggested that Mr. Robbins meet with Mr. Eggen befor- the City Council meeting. Commissioner Magnus wants, the Amendment to Motion to remain as stated. The Council can discuss the ;pian and give the petitioner further direction. Commissioner Alfa inquired about the delineator for the pump Island at the shared drive. t-ctdrdinator McConn stated that this provides a longer stacking area for the shared drive and discourages crass traffic in the shared drive. City Engineer Goldberg ,concurred. Rade 99 Planning omm ssi n Minutes 241 198 MOTION by Commissioner Plufkaj s carded by Chairman MOTION TO At t ige wal.d to AMFND the MOTION by the addition of Condition No 1 , that adequate signage meeting the Ordinance provisions be provided ; to reflect the orae -way traffic circulation en -site. Rohl Call 'VO`'`A on FOURTH AM0"0MBIL 7 Ayes. MOTM4 VOTE - MOTION CARRIED carried. Rolf Call VOTE on MAIN MOTION as1R, TIME AMENDED. 6 VOTE - 14AIN MOTION AS Ayes. Commissioner Stulberg!, ,'lay. FOUR ` IWIS AMENDED TION CARR Commissioner Stulberq stated that.he believes there are too many changes to this plaxl and he would like the Commission to review _ a revised Site Plan showing all , changes as discussed. Chairman Stelgerwald o6l.led a Recess at 9.20 P.M. OTHER BUSINESS. Coordinator McConn discussed upcoming Planning Commission agenda iters. She Inquired If the Commission would establish a date for the quarterly study meeting during May. The Commission concurred that they would meet on 'lay 151 1985 at 500 P.M. for a bus tour into the developnq areas o Plymouth, with particular emphasis on those areas of more intense residential development. PLANNING GOMt4I 0 4 RECO"NENDATIONS FOR APRIL 24, 1985 APPROVING PRELI INA Y PLAT FOR GARS' PETERSON, O O 4O CONSTRUCTION COMPANY FOR NEIGHBOR CREEK" (85005 ) Compjjcncewith the City Engineer's Memorandum. 7. Removal of all dead or dying trees from the property at the owner's expense. Payment of park dedication fees -in -lieu of dedication In accordance with the Dedication Policy in effect at the time of filing the Final Plat. 4. No Building Permits shall be Issued until the Final Plat is ` filed and recorded with Hennepin County. 5. No yard variance setbacks are granted or implied. 6. The -it width variance is approved (93 ft. vs 10 ft.) for Lot Z hxf this plat. The setback for Lot 1 sf.all be at least to the ,contour of 990. t PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS FOR plll , 19 5 p ROIWING SITE PILAN, CONDITIOWAL USE, PERMIT AND VARIANCEFOR DAN ROBBINStJERRY'S ERVI INC. (8501?) 1. CoMplianee,with City rooncer's Memorandum Payment of ' a dedieati.cn fees -in -lieu of dedication accordance witthe Dedication Policy in effect at the time of ilui.ldtnq Permit issuance. Compliance with Policy Resolution No. 79-80 regarding minimum floor elevations for new structures;on sites , adjdC to, or containing any Dean storm water drainage* f<lcility. Sorubmissionofrequiredfinancialqu-irantee and Site pllkclreament f completion of site provements. Any subsequent phases or expansions are subj,, ct- to required revIP1wq and approv- als per Ordinance provisions. All waste and waste oontainers shall be stored within the structure, and no out- side storage is permitted. i, No Building Permit to be issued until the Final plat is fzled anO recorded wIth Hennepin County. 8. Approved Variances include: side yard setback of 6 ft. from the east side of the building rather than Ordinance minimum of 10 fit., The permit is subject to all applicable codes, regulations and Ordinances, and violation thereof shall be grounds forrevocation, 10. The permit is Issued toJerry's Service, Inc... as operator of the facility and shall not be transferable. 11. he site shall be maintained in a sanitary manner. 12. There shall be no outside display, sales, c,,r storage of merchandise or gelated materials. 13. All, parking shall be off-street in designated areas which comply with the Zoning Ordinance. 14. The site plan shall be appropriately rev;.sed to provide a ,staging pian <which complies with Ordinance minimum designstandards, and relocation of the building to the north to picvide by-pass lanes in the center of the pump island area and the south pump area. 154 The Landscape Plan shall re oc6te the conifers to the front yard area and the berm shall be extended in an 'east west direction. 16. All, gas pump ,lanes evil be manned by attendants who will oversee the operation and direct traffic flow anti, the Multi product Dispensers MPD1si will be In stalled at this facility.