HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 04-24-1985CITY 01;'PLYMOUTH
PLANNING CQ . ISSION HIUMS
APRIL Z41 1985
The regular meetinq of tb^ i4lYmouth PlanniGg Commission was
called to order a—t 7:30 P.114*
PRESENT: hair an Stelgerwald, Commissioners
Wire, Stulberg, Magnus, Pl. fka, Mellen,
and Pauba
ENT NON
STAFF PA NT: Communityunity Development Coordinator
Sara McConn
City Engineer Bherm, Coldberg
Community Development Secretary,
Grace Wineman
CONSENT ACENDA
MINUTES
MOTION by Commissioner Magnus, seconled by Commissioner INUT S - APRIL
Plufka to approve the Minutes of April 10, 1985 as ` 10, '198
submitted..
VOTE, TE, f Ayes, MO 7 ION .1•r't3rri ed.
14JOLIC HEARINGS:
tarrman Stelgerwald Introduced the first public he ur Ln; E S8NQkRYPETERSON -
item and asked- Coordinator McConn for an overview of the 380CONSTRUCTION30
April 15, 1985 staff report, Coordinator: McConn clarified COMPANYIPRELIMINARY
that there was only one variance request relating to fhe lot PLATOFINALPLAT
width for Lot ; rather than a request for two .dot ,width VARTANCEFOR
variances as reflected in the report. XEIQWRtS CREEK
85005)
Chairman Bte1gerwald introduced lir. Greg Frank, McCombs -
Knutson, representing the petitioner. Mr. drank introduced
Mr. Gary Peterson, ` petitioner. Mr. frank nGted a letter
submitted by the petitioner dated March 14 1985, addressing
the fact that all three lots meet the Ordinance ,tandards,
except that Lot 2, requires a variance for lot wi0th. He
noted that this; lot` contains the existing residence. He ex-
plaandd that, neighbors had shown' some concern ' when review
ng the General ()evel opment Plan showing building loca-
tionr° Be further explained that the residence4 would be
set urther back on the lots than what is shown on the
r r 3e ingsl the graphics diagram minimum yard areas.
C ` Issioner Plbfka inquired about the residence location on
Lot 3. Commissioner Wire inquired about the lot size' for
Lot 11 and the proposed driveway ter. Frank responded that
the drive would be on the east side, following the terrain,
and the residence would be built on top of the knoll;.
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a Steiger wal.d opened the R I)ll,c Reamngr
Dr. Nathan Plimpton,, 15315 5th Avenue North$ stated that the
west side of tot l is low land and that there could be prob-
lems with seepage into the basemen: of a residence on this
lot. Mr. Greg Frank confirmeded and Chairman ateigerwaldex-
plained that the residence is proposed to be cogstr oted on
a knoll (highest area) of the lot and would line -cep with the
existing residence. Coordinator l cConn stated that the lots
area Is not p=ert of a Stora Water Dralnige 111 an,
Commissioner Plufka inquired if the construction would, be
above the 990 contour-, Greg Frank 'answered affirmatively.
los. Helen Rusten, 18420 8th Avenuee Horth, inquired if gar-
ages would be constructed with these homes, and would the
gazages be within the required setbacks from the property
l.:nes. Coordinator McCohn explained thea* were no variances
requested for constructing the units and the could meet the
setback requirements* Ms. Rusten Inquired about the type of
homes to be constructed. Mr. Greg Frank confirmed and '
Chairman Steigerwald stated that the homes mould be simllir
to those already constructed in surrounding neighborhoods.
Chairman Steiqerwald closed the Public Hearing.
MOTION'Coit ss rjs r, ed , Com issio€'ter I ir TO APPROVE
Plu'ka to recommend approval for the Preliminary Plat, Final.
Flat, and Variance; for Gary Peterson, Orono Construction
Company for "Nteighbbr's Creek" subject to the first 5 con-
oredditionsasstatedintherecdnendationsandcharingCon-
tion No., to indicate approval, of the front yard lotdition
widthvariance* and adding Condition No. 7 that the setback
for Lot I shall'` be at Least to the contour of 990.
Commissioner Pauba noted that the variance is minimal and
that this proposal is the highest and best use of the
property.
Commissioner Pl.ufkas commented that moving the house to the
contour 990 will do the least amount of damage to the natur-
al terrain
Roll Caul. Vote, 7 Ayes. MOTION carried, VOTE _,MOTION CARRIW
Chairman Stelgerwald introduced the application and request- DAN R4BBTNS, 3ERRY'S
ed an ; overview ' of the April s, 1985 staff report from Co- SERVICEf INC.
ordinator McConn. CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT, SITE PLAN
Chairman Steigerwald commented on his concern regarding AND VARIANCE (05012)
treff e oirculation Coordinator McConn explained the one-
iwy circulation system.
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Chairman Stelgerwald introduced Mr. Dao Robbinsrepresenta-
tive. Mr. Robbins stated tha" lerry's Service has been I
the gasoline rales and auto _4 vice business for 30 years.
They feel that Plymouth is a good location for this business
which, will be ownerloccupied. He explained that they had
not had a chance to meet with the Homeowner's Association as
Mr, Roder Eggent president of the Middle East HOA has been
out of town, but he has spoken with him by telephone and
l r * Fqgen concurred that the business Is a needed service
for the area.
airmen 5teigerviald inquired about the concerns addressed
In the staff report regarding stacking: and how this *would be
handled. Mr. Robbins stated they had been remiss in getting
all the details to staff in a timely manner. He thanked
staff for processing the application for Commission review,
He stated they want to be open for lousiness this summer aand
have hired employees this location so they can be assured of
having good people working here. He need. `khat the majority
of vehicles entering the facility will be going to the gas
pumps which w'Il be the primary use, and there would be no
obstruction because of the rapid movement of vehicles in and
out of; pump islands. He noted that, their pian is similar
to the Holiday Station Store in that they are without Com-
plete circulation on the property. lie explained they would
be using "Multi -Product Dispensers" (MPEG) which` Gan servo 12
vehicles at the same time. He noted that Holliday could
serge only 8 vehicles at one time. He stated that the aver -
are time per vehicle at their pumps would be 4 minutesand
vehicles at Holiday would be on the site much longer because
of the convenience store. He stated their studies have
shown they will be able to serve 180 vehicles per hour, and
pump 11800 gals of gasoline per hour, so they are notwor-
ried about the stacking. ter. Robbins introduced Mr. Mike
Eicher, Pump & Meter, their consultant who designs equipment
and site layout.
Chairman Steigerwald inquired how would they deal wi h a
driver who straps at the fir%t pump and obstructs the lane
for other vehicles.. Mr* Robbins stated that, other vehicles
could pull xc, on the Cather side but he doesn't feel this
would happen with a one-way system.
Coordinator McConn stated that the east access from the
County Road frontage road is two-way and a one-way access
Is on the -,,jest
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Mr. Robbins stated the eastern exit from the pump island to
the shared drive will tae posted "lid Entrance,". He Commented
that the hoses on the pumps are ,long enough to service the
vehicles from either side.
Chairman Steigerwald stated there are problems other than
stacking i vehi.cl, s can drive in from the east to the
PUMP5-* Mr, Robbins stated that they should be ,tale to
handle this si. uatlon, and, it has worked successfully at
other stations.
Coordinator Mc`onn stated a concern that the joint driveway
must also function to serve the adjacent property.
Commissioner Plufka ` inquired about the parking space re-
quirements. oordinator *1'bConn stated the requirement is
for 20 spaces, ,they have provided 29. Commissioner Plufka
statedthis may solve the stacking space required)' as some
of these spaces are not needed and the building ;could be set
Haack. He noted teat the eight additional stalls could pro-
duce an "evesore" on the site, in that vehicles would be
parked there through the week waiting for repairs. Mr.
Robbins stated that they wanted their plan to provide more
than the Ordinance minimum, and they wanted adequate parking
on-site; he noted they also exceed the landscape
requirements.
Commissioner Plufka agreed with this, however) he noted
that the primary use on --site is the gds peps and that they
should not need the additional parking which would then
provide an option to co-rect the stacking problem.
Coordinator McConn stated the bull -ding can be moved only so
far to the north, as it cannot encroach into the storm water
ponding area. Commissioner Plufka noted they could attain
an additional 18 1/2 ft and riot encroach Into the ponding
area. Coordinator 'McConn concurred but noted that adding a
greater depth 'will not gave- lengtf that; is needed to the
pump islands=
Commissioner Wire inquired if the: drive on the east side
could be widened. Coordinator McConn explained the _width ,is
fixed on the east which is adjacent property. Commissioner
Wire stated that on looking at the plan the entrance on the
east side could be widened to provide stacking space* Co-
ordinator MoConn explained that the stacking v hicl*)s cannot
Interfere with .the driveway, as it is the primary ''entrance
to the property to the east
Chairman Steigerwa,ld stated that$ on other occasions prob-
lems with stacking vehicles on proposed sites have cote be-
fore the Commission and he is personally hesitant abeatat this
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plan. He a(Ire d that the service is needed in the area,
however,, a large number of gas pumps on 'a small site Can
cause traffic problems that will frustrate the customers who
may not return if they cannot conveniently get in and out of
the facility.
Commissioner Stulberg inquired if it would be feasible to
flip-flop," the; service bay area to the front and have the
cies pup the rear of _site.fir. Robbins stated this
weu .d not be w rkablel the gasoline dispensing must be visi.
ble to 'tile driving public. He stated that with the type: oe
equipment they have., vehicles will be served much faster
tutting down the time the vehicle will have to remain on the
Ate
Mr. Eicher stated they are very experienced in the area of
installation and use of MPD equipment. He explained tete neA
concept mptomg that he does not believe there will be a
stacking problem anj that drivers will find it easy to get
in and out of the facility. He commented on the Wayzata
Standard station that is next to a McDonald's and pumps two
mill lon qal l ons of gas per year. ChArman Steigerwald noted
thaw this station is between two major streets and h !, a
two-way exit. Mr. Eicher stated there will he employees on
the site who will uirect traffic if the need arises; and,
that there will be adequate signage showing the way for good
traffic circu#,,iti.on.
Commissioner Wire stated that concerns of providing for
stacking came about at the time of the gas shortage; but
perhaps the demand now is less. He agrees, with Commissioner
Stulberg that changing the pump location to the rear of the
property would provide a better stacking pian. lir. E1oher
Mated this would not work from e marketing standpoint; the
consumer wants to see the pumps and would not read the signs
directing 'them to the rear of the building.
Commissioner Mellen inquired if they , could en -roach to the
vest. Coordinator McConn explained that the Ordinance comp-
rehends omprehendsa`reducti.on in the side yard for shared parkins and
joint drives, but comparable yard arta is to be provided
elsewhere on the site. City Engineer oldb.g explained
that the g est drive is wide enough for two lanes of traffic
and still provide enough room to 90 to the service hays..'
Commissioner Stulberg questioned this and Mr. Eicher ex-
plained the circulation. Commissioner Stulberq commented
that as a personal choice he would not approach a pump that
would require ha ra to pull the hose over his ear.
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Commissioner Pl.ufk.a noted that the full-!=erviee area would
have Less problems with sta.cinq and td at the plan shoes
the self-service with less space.
omissi.oner Pauba s ;*ted that they pumps should be moved to
the east to ft., and fie would like to see urd t
to thy:, pump islands from the shared drive widened. Mr.
Eicher stated that to move the pumps requires them``to move
the entire facility and they may not : he able ;to meet the
setbacks. He -stated they had looked at alternatives for
location of the green areas.
o i.ssioner Magnusinquired if additional space* could be
gained between the pug ink islands' so that gars could
by-pass to exit the site. Thr. Eicher answered ne at',v i .
Commissioner Magnus gave an example of a station; he has
visited where it ''.s possible to -eget. "boxed ins', and this is
very frustrating for motorists. if an additional 2 ft.
could be gained,to move cars in and out this would provide a
better plan.
Cdr. Eicher and Mr. Robbins agreed ;that the building could be
moved back 10 ftp. to widen the center -aisle providing space
for vehicles to pass.
Further discussion ensued regarding the berminq and plant-
ings, and the potential of reducing the front yard area.
discussion ensued regarding potential grading problems.
Mr. Eicher noted that they need to maintain the contour
Lines{ Coordinator McCena asked for a confirmation as to
whether the Commission had reached a consensus to eliminate
a row of parking stalls. Chairman Steigerwald stated this
is a decision that needs to be made, but the consensus seems
to be to move the building a minimum of 10 ft, to the north
to create wider drive a .sle$. Commissioner Magnus
concurred, rfAterating that the vehicles should not be
blocked in, but, allowed to move out through a center
aisle. He stated he does not want to see the berming
disturbed'
For. Jerry Robbins, reps senCativ , stated he does not be-
lieve there will be a sacking problem at this facility ` be-
cause the vehicles will be moving In and out so rapidly. He
noted they will have employees at the foi.lity that will
move cars that block the traffic flow, and they will, direct
traffic if necessary. It is their feeling that one-way
circulation will speed up the operation.
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Coarlissioner Plufka inquired of the petitioners, if they
agreed with COMMISSiOncr suggestions.
Coordinator McConn in response to statements mdde about the
Holiday citation Store, stated that their plans met the Ord-
inance standards. She noted that staff has supported the
variances on the, east and east sides which decrease the
setback to the bui.ldingf, moving the building to the north
will give a similar gain in aisle width to provide the
by-pass lane.
Chairman Steigerwald confirmed there would be 5 ft« betty ea
the buildinq and the north parking area for shrubbery.
Co=lssioner Stulberginquired if the full-service area is
closest to the buildinc. Coordinator McCona answered
of 'irmati,vel.y«
Commissioner Wire inquired about the landscapipq and noted
that in keeping with previous direction given ;by the City
Council that the some of ,the 14 Black Hills Spruce trees be
moved to the south side of the property to screen the
facility.
Dan Robbins stated that the Holiday Station Sore was knot
well received by the nei. hbcrhood, and that their facility
is much more to the liking of and needed by the residents of
the area, Commissioner Wire ' noted that he is a "neighbor"
and like other residents would like to see trees on the
south side of the building to provide screening. He noted
that the City Council direo ion was to provide screening
from the service station lights.
Dan Robbins sated that their, building is attractive;
that they are. using, landscaping that will enhance the area;
agdt they mould not want to completely screen the facility,
nairmen Stelgerwald confirmed that recent action b,, the
City Council required more screening for a similar f Pi li;ty.
Dan Robbins Mated they will deet` with the neighbors before
the City Counci.l considers their application, and will have
their landscape architect attend this meeting to explain
their landscaping plans«
Commissioner Pl fka stated h- agrees with Commissioner Wire
that they should use additional evergreen trees (8 f « In
heitlh ) to shield the neighborhood from car lights a=* the
facility.
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0fair gab Steigerwald ;opened the Public; flearingl as there was
ri one present to speak on this Item,, the Public Hearing was
closed*
MOTION by Commissioner Magnus, s, seconded by Ce mmissioder MOTION TO APPROVE
Pluf a to recommend approval for the Conditional Use Permit,
Site Plan, and Variance for fan Robbins for Jerry's Service,
Inc. per the recommendations in the staff report, adding the
following to Condition No. 14.1 standards, and re-
location of the building to the north to provide by-pass
lanes In the center of the pump island area and the south
pump area; adding Condition No. 1 *1 that the Landscape elan
shall relocate conifers to the front yard area and the berm
shall be extended In an east-west direction.
Commissioner 'qtulbercl stated lie is against the Motion,that
a recommendation should be deferred for r de.ii n; and, he
would like to see the Site Plan revi ions»
Commissioner Pauba concurred stating there is room for
Improvemegat; ands the °Commiss on should review the site plan
as redesigned. Commissioner Stulberg,stated theby-pass
alste.s may solve the problem, but he wants to review the
re-design. Commissioner Wire condur*eco# but inquired about
the time table for the petitioner and whether deferral could
be critical' to them.
Dan Robbins stated they have hired employees who aro on
their payroll now; they also want some. lead time to work out
the problems with a new installation,, and, want to open for
business this summer.
Commissioner Wire inquired if the Commission can make their
recommendations for redesign e.nd'move the application for-
ward. Coordinator McConn stated that if the Commission
fools the direction for redesign resolves their concerns
they can forward the application to the City Council with
those recommendations; however, if the chandos are thought
to be sl,gnif cant, it would be appropriate to defer action
and require the revised' Site Plan to come back for their
review,.
MOTION by Chairman Steigerwald, seconded' by Commissioner "OTION TO AW31
Plufka` to AMEND by adding Condition No. 16 to read that all
gas pump lees will be manned by attendants who will; oversee
the operation and direct tra fie flow,, and, that the Multi
Product Dispensers (MPD's) will in fact be installed at th1 s
facility.
I Chairman Steic rwald commented that this could alleviate
most of the stacking problems'.
Roll Call. VOTE. 7 Ayes. MOTION TO AMEND carried. VOA NOTION CARRIED
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Thairma'n teligeri a d; noteal that the Site ill have adequate
li htl q and that employeesees svill be there during business
hors
Commissiiolrertdlberg faired if this recommended con-
dition is part of the Conditional Use Permit and that, if
there is non -c mplian-e or complaints are verifiedf this
Permit can be revoked. Coordinator McConn confirmed this
and added that as staff inspects the site or upon receiving
f.-,omp .a*nts the City can require a public Hearing to con -
Sider revocation of the Permit.
Commissioner Stulberg stated that employees s ou'ld attend
the full-service nd self-service lanets at ;all times*
Coordinator McCont, confirmed that proposed Condition No 17
included p rk1f*,q ,-cmpany vehicles 'inside the building.
hairs an Steigorwald advised the representatives that this
Amendment to the Motion includes those vehi,-les owned bythethe
operation.
Roll Call VOTE on THIRD AMFJ04104T. 5 Ayes. Commissioners VOTE - NOTION CARRM
Mellen, and Plufkaj May. MOTION carr `.ed*
commissioner Wire inquired if the Commission should recom-
end an additional number of plantinqs be provided on this
site. Commissloner Plufka ,'„t: ted that, in his Opinion it is
not appropriate for the Commission to designate the number
of plantings; ands that the recommendation for conifers
rather than deciduous trees is adequate direction on the
lands ape plan.'
Commissioner Wire stated that he would like to see the, num-
ber of plantings increased because the neighbors would be
Interested in seeing more tees on this site to screen the
facility.
Dan Robbins reiterated that he plans to meet with the
neighborhood association and will have his landscape
architect attend the meeting.Commissioner Wire agreed and
suggested that Mr. Robbins meet with Mr. Eggen befor- the
City Council meeting.
Commissioner Magnus wants, the Amendment to Motion to
remain as stated. The Council can discuss the ;pian and give
the petitioner further direction.
Commissioner Alfa inquired about the delineator for the
pump Island at the shared drive. t-ctdrdinator McConn stated
that this provides a longer stacking area for the shared
drive and discourages crass traffic in the shared drive.
City Engineer Goldberg ,concurred.
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MOTION by Commissioner Plufkaj s carded by Chairman MOTION TO At
t ige wal.d to AMFND the MOTION by the addition of Condition
No 1 , that adequate signage meeting the Ordinance
provisions be provided ; to reflect the orae -way traffic
circulation en -site.
Rohl Call 'VO`'`A on FOURTH AM0"0MBIL 7 Ayes. MOTM4 VOTE - MOTION CARRIED
carried.
Rolf Call VOTE on MAIN MOTION as1R, TIME AMENDED. 6 VOTE - 14AIN MOTION AS
Ayes. Commissioner Stulberg!, ,'lay. FOUR ` IWIS AMENDED
TION CARR
Commissioner Stulberq stated that.he believes there are too
many changes to this plaxl and he would like the Commission
to review _ a revised Site Plan showing all , changes as
discussed.
Chairman Stelgerwald o6l.led a Recess at 9.20 P.M.
OTHER BUSINESS.
Coordinator McConn discussed upcoming Planning Commission
agenda iters. She Inquired If the Commission would
establish a date for the quarterly study meeting during
May. The Commission concurred that they would meet on 'lay
151 1985 at 500 P.M. for a bus tour into the developnq
areas o Plymouth, with particular emphasis on those areas
of more intense residential development.
PLANNING GOMt4I 0 4
RECO"NENDATIONS FOR APRIL 24, 1985
APPROVING PRELI INA Y PLAT FOR GARS' PETERSON, O O 4O CONSTRUCTION COMPANY FOR
NEIGHBOR CREEK" (85005 )
Compjjcncewith the City Engineer's Memorandum.
7. Removal of all dead or dying trees from the property at the owner's expense.
Payment of park dedication fees -in -lieu of dedication In accordance with the
Dedication Policy in effect at the time of filing the Final Plat.
4. No Building Permits shall be Issued until the Final Plat is ` filed and recorded
with Hennepin County.
5. No yard variance setbacks are granted or implied.
6. The -it width variance is approved (93 ft. vs 10 ft.) for Lot Z hxf this plat.
The setback for Lot 1 sf.all be at least to the ,contour of 990.
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PLANNING COMMISSION
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR plll , 19 5
p ROIWING SITE PILAN, CONDITIOWAL USE, PERMIT AND VARIANCEFOR DAN ROBBINStJERRY'S
ERVI INC. (8501?)
1. CoMplianee,with City rooncer's Memorandum
Payment of ' a dedieati.cn fees -in -lieu of dedication accordance witthe
Dedication Policy in effect at the time of ilui.ldtnq Permit issuance.
Compliance with Policy Resolution No. 79-80 regarding minimum floor elevations
for new structures;on sites , adjdC to, or containing any Dean storm water
drainage* f<lcility.
Sorubmissionofrequiredfinancialqu-irantee and Site pllkclreament f
completion of site provements.
Any subsequent phases or expansions are subj,, ct- to required revIP1wq and approv-
als per Ordinance provisions.
All waste and waste oontainers shall be stored within the structure, and no out-
side storage is permitted.
i, No Building Permit to be issued until the Final plat is fzled anO recorded wIth
Hennepin County.
8. Approved Variances include: side yard setback of 6 ft. from the east side of
the building rather than Ordinance minimum of 10 fit.,
The permit is subject to all applicable codes, regulations and Ordinances, and
violation thereof shall be grounds forrevocation,
10. The permit is Issued toJerry's Service, Inc... as operator of the facility and
shall not be transferable.
11. he site shall be maintained in a sanitary manner.
12. There shall be no outside display, sales, c,,r storage of merchandise or gelated
materials.
13. All, parking shall be off-street in designated areas which comply with the Zoning
Ordinance.
14. The site plan shall be appropriately rev;.sed to provide a ,staging pian <which
complies with Ordinance minimum designstandards, and relocation of the building
to the north to picvide by-pass lanes in the center of the pump island area and
the south pump area.
154 The Landscape Plan shall re oc6te the conifers to the front yard area and the
berm shall be extended in an 'east west direction.
16. All, gas pump ,lanes evil be manned by attendants who will oversee the operation
and direct traffic flow anti, the Multi product Dispensers MPD1si will be In
stalled at this facility.