HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 08-10-1983CITY P4TH
PLAMING COKMISSION RTE
AUGUST 0, 198 ;
The regular i of the annin CoMmIssion was ealled to
order 1 P.M.
HEMER PRESENT. Chatrwoman Vas! -Hou. m
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Wiret Stulberg, and Pauba,
ABSENT-, Catiers . Stelgerwald
and Plufka
STAFF R` N '- COMUMitY Development Coordinator
SeratJ.(,,Conn
Assistant Engineer 3ohn Sweeney
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tunit oilmen DietsDeveR. . it
City Enoineer Fred Moore
MINUTES
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Stulberg to approve the Minutes of 3uly "x as
submitted. ,edea. NOTION carried.
PUBL IC WARINGS,
Chairwoman Vasillou Introduced the request submitted y DEWIS C NY A
COnYeaDennis for z RRID Concept Paan, m O ' T"IRD ADDIR
Rtan/Plat. Conditional Use Permit anti, a walver from th RP1JD CORCUPT PLAN
minimumuen or PUD." $The propertyPRF M Y PLAT/MI,
locatedat the northeast cornerac ane an' i6th AND CONDITION& USF
Lk 4 $ IenAvenueHorth. Fwas, requested
Z91 1191,53 StaffReport.
Staff explained that the petitioner requests a vialvor from
the Ordinoncerequirements WhIch state that the minimun,
total land arpa for UD' .l not be less thart 40 acres.
Staff iew d the history of the property aind the inteat
e R-18 Zoning District as a transition r o e, Stif f
reviewed 1: f the d Conl0v,,pt Ptij, and
e nded the Commission discuss the d 1. i
order to determine If the proposed Concept Plan wLarrlants
approval for a Planned Unit Development.
August'15183
Nee requested
comparison of this ro : the ry t m ll
Project. Stuff ex-0.11"'Aned the comparlson to the
requestfor a waiver from the PLID' size reoudirements, an
m,,the ..e, fit `
Chairwoman'tl ndc e Mir . Erma aon. Westwood
Planninq 4, E'n(illneerinqj, representing the , , wft
noted that the existing old greenhouse a will e
removed fr%i the site to c orgi o the j t, $ 1 w
located on Lot 15. Tt was explalAedthat the existinq
house i cc would retained. ter.
iagen reviowed history of the two existinqparcels and the
assessmentl; which have been levIed oft the propertNi, It w
noted that since no privatedrive access would be allowed
Zachary Lane, development of the east pareel; zs a sl'nqle
owas € ted, , The p : ±,* feels that.tiie )roposed
plan presents a pleasent- v de loo n which l e
eornpatible with the surrounding
noti"
hborhoodand viould
cOmPlete leveIOPment In, this gen.eri area.
tor. Hagen explained the propt)I,,Nj tot dot I*,, t ion w
selected for onc,'n1e reasonsgest biilldinq houses In
this specific loci would add (Ions i derable post vi the
development of the I-eoje et. it
Petitioner w comb wstaff's omptd ion for
ac i g the tot lot area
Chairwoman i coymm3 n t that the proposal would
very oop. patiblethe sup°roundint ,g anotinq
proposed lot sizes and existinglzes of the adjacent
property.
Chairwoman °' - , .. u opened the Puhlto 14ear'na.
cam Reefings, 10S20 38th Avenue North, reouested that
existing 36th Avenue Oorth remain ad-end untl I the new
38th Avenue North is constructed for #,°o:ete cir,(-ulation.
He stated he did not Nvant the inq roadway t3 be used as
construction access to the proteot. k Hastinqs,
de to handle &-ali-vage in the
northeastr tion of thett.
Staff explained that new storm sewer Provisions are beim
installedrof this project,, to handle the existinct,
drainage ratherthan continuing overhand r i m#
age
AIL
August M"
Mr. Hastings expressed eencern about a past situationa
people moved into sinple fantly residential houses privT to
Jiv roads bgcotmq -te constructed. He rckqt,4ested
contingency be plaW "pon the,'d ev that no
hNairworF a Vasillou asked foran x rxi f the type and
value of housing to be n n anLwerA that
henq-. family wt cost would be substantisi
considerinq the lend costs eluefile existing ,assessment$.
PaUl t -140i 1005 Wth PlW( North* inquired what exten of
adlre would be eonducted in the sort-hwest earner neer thv,
tot lot area. Fran Begg explained the drdinage and aradtnq
Plan for this dreat notinq that, vera the site will remain
relativelyclose to the existing qr4des.
BrIaPI Anderson, 3645 Wellinq4ton Lane, inquired what was
proposed regardInq nal, alonq the east property
r AndOrstn noted aha; testa Is an extensive grade whanae
along thispropprty Ynes and expresaedconcern that the,
area should not drain to the east Agen IndWated the
Petitioner and consultants were aware Of the existinq grade
chango andvie the histpry of the developmentofthe
Wellhotork area. We explained that it Is proposed to reduce -
the existing sloes, and use the out . a$ fill
elsewhere on the site. The proposed grades willmatch the
existing grades at the east property line and will e1 i y
the existinq
l stated that the petitioner and consultants fool
C00fideAt that with the construction of drainage swales, th'
property will drain the, north and south.
PAR Wilsont 1005 AS Race North, InvirY who would
install thefwav- * Mr. Hagen€ that the
developer d lttdleated he would construct the roadways
during the review T the earlier final plat application.
Therefore; It was at3sme that he wouldhave the Name intent
forti
W-41son inquired what levol the tot lot would be
developed. ter. HA00A, explained that the tot lot would
fully graded and Yevelopedy Including the : Installation of
plank structures. Nr. n also explained that the drainaq(-
along the adjacent northlots Would continue towardZacharyLane.
page
11r., Anderson inquired if further Adl , detatis v 11 he
1P.- plan, Is requir-pi w final t appUcatlon,.
ctted review comm, Ants f rolil School
District Indicatinct They dLI not hilve (,oncerj s jqth the
propoil,,edproject.
Chairwoman ` lio l d the P"blic Hearinq..
ilner Wire state( t-% felt another 1 ipta wias
needed. Mr,, Hagenreminded the Commission that the euryon ;
application involves h t Imloary plan anti plcit, ant a
final grading plan is required relth the suhsequentfinal
plat stage.
Commissioner Wire inquired about heoimAssociation
responsibilities e g the tot lot.` Mr. 111a0en explained
that: the developer would prepare the Site and 'Install the
play structures* Frox-a that time ont the
Association will s for oiitnership and
Commissioner . t. qU: e-lluthe timing of
Improvements. Mr. Hagen responded and explained' h i
was ars exeellent Idea. to keep the ex. Avenue
closed during the constructionprocess.
C01M issioner Rre Inquiredabout 'proposed Mr..
Hagen reviewed the. proposal calls for . front yard
etbac d 10-ft. sidevard setback to the building, and
6-f t.sidleyard setNWk io the a ge. The overall. mass
grading w Include the Ind ii i . Staff'
clarified that the Ordinance allows for varied a.s
through the UD- provsislons andunless otherwise. specified,
the setbacks would per the approved PUD plan.
Fie re-Moved. I Rageft explained'that efforts'will, be made
to n as many existinq trees .s
MUM by Commissioner Wire, secondod ommissioner
ulberq to talo_ action on thi, petition.. (jt Ayes..
MOTION ;carrled.
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Commissioner Wilts Stun I the Commission address the
ppl, ' of b"''n points. Staff l --fled h
petitioner 1 vi waiver from thf, bonus point
F# Ittao-en explained that: the petitioner feelsthems's' &wS6'L
1t V'lopSkWe?i:to
pri_: Vlfltt v Council aetion * asittiations,, He
Stated that the" goner f elt the p.%-oject site Is to(,
smallart area to provide a mi ,d and detaohed
usli ,, and did, not feel that the neiqhbors would a9r,
With the develmment, of attackhedhousina.
FFA Y ON by Cornmissitonere. tulber l Commissionerisone e '°
flauba o e° e approval the size walvel, 11PUD Concept
Flan, Preliminary Plan/plat and Condiltional U rejit for
Dennionyea for Gonyeals Third Additton., subject to the
condition nut-,l o allovi for the retention tf the
existing house on Lot 13, iand addlinq condition number 13 to
read" "Existing 38th avenue North $hail be barricaded untili
n 1,th Avenue North Is completed".
Commi,sloner etre concerted with the, ion and expressed
concern that the Cogmcmisston shov1d revtpv the final qradinq
MOTION to AMEND by CommissioneT Wire, soconded by MOTIOU TO W14-1)
Com-mls$toner Paubaltoo-i d that the finalz . q jlan
be reviewea and approved by the Planninc3ta;s,
issioner Stulberg stated he, did o and the
concern, because new stormssewer vV 4nq were, hetnq
alledto 1 exq drainau pb.F, and
thvt they' q 1 1 I e developed
responsibility forrainve arc, ver'. t lean. nen : i-,-toner
Wire stated he ruvited to 4`e the plan lut 0 ty" and
Fie would feel mor" y,,-an o le If the:..s s i . v Ws th:-
plan.
e AMEN HN T , 2 :Ages. Cown4sloners, Stulbern a,.id D `O`EN, 1V"0t '
Chairwoman Val-1116--i ay. IrlfflOtll failed.
hair kf '11404 TIMn J40 e eta safequdsare
it' the City' vo_tlele-s and, rdtttances.
VOTE on the l AIA MOTION. 4 twee. NOTTOR dT_Pw VOTF ON MU!, HOTION
t4r,, flageri stated t at the petittoi-ier would work with the
neighberhood to resolve any corl erns repardinq
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Pa n. tl cw mlssion Ninutes
August 0, 10,N3
Chairriaman Vasillou, introduce,.4-the request submitted bv WILLIAM GADTKF
William Gadtke for a I elan, Conditional Use nmj S TF P ,A $
Arnendimtent and Variaryes for the etxzpansjon of an existinq CONDITIOMUSF
self-service car wase lovated at WiD X11merLianad n
f lxglt,
4,
staff report was wa ved. AW AR ,,,;
lou ro jned -. 3ad and Vlr.
Darrell, 11, _ chitee , who were ail for questions.
Kehard . Ad -11, $433 39th v nue North, requestrd a rev.tew
of the proposed project,
Gatitke stm— m h .ped expansion to the existing
self- -v I ce oar wash., Staff noted that the o n a , did
eomply with the landsoaplaq requirements,
Lindell inquired if there was anY green area proposed k n
the south side of the buildinq. Mr. ','**adtke reviewed the
site noting the areas -of qre-n space.
Lindell Inquired If a qaraqe door was to be installed a
the rear of the proposed locat ion for the pltmhjnq
busirwecs. Mr* Cadtke stated that heAntends to ln au, an
overhead doo for ease of bringinq lanae pipe Into the
building.
Lindell expressed concern that approximately three Vea s
a., he processed a sit. plan a.an which incluiieof a
proposal for an oWrhead door. fie stated he told that
this could not be ae .i nj which delayed his project,
Ouring the delay has noted that several buildings have
been constructed with over ad doors. Mr. ad-1-ke explained
fur-tTM that: the overhead door, was not for storaqe of
ny but for ease access: the ildin n
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jh
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Staff explained that Mr. .nd .1 has, processed two plan
applications for his pro erty a 4th n -- and 21mer
Lane". The n pans mid call for an overhead door ohleth
aoud have reduee-ki the Ordinanee required parking, and ?d
have required variances from the park -Ing provisions. Staff
summarized that Mr. Gadtke met the parking requirements for
e office use and that Mt. Gadtke is proposing to eliminate
At, existing buildingn the site.
Chairwoman Vasiliou closed the 1`.c Hearing.
Pees "
Planning Commission Minutes
August , 1983
MOTION by Commtls st oner Wire,, seoonded by Commissioner
Stulberg to take action on this petit'on. VOTF. 4 Ave
MOTION Detre .
to recommend approval.of the. Site ,T, ! se
Permit . car,*,e , and giant- s subj the as
s atet, in the dr,ft Resolution.
Co-mmissloner Wire COIMMPAted that, he felt the proposal uould,
improve the area and represented a good development.
O`A'R. 4 dyes. MT.-INVOTE
HFA WSINESS'
Chairwoman Vs tflou co inartded Staffo the_ . v ; f the
r, io hat has been a d ' n
Commission Study Items, and complimented staff on the, work.
It tw s suggested that staff forivard copies of tiw monthlyr
Pl as a ds n reports to theVe-velopmenj
Court 4A .
Chairwoman Vasillou recogrilied1 Palmorl,5"780
Oakview Lane, noting that due to a previetts applicationt
Palmer has considerable Interest In this type o
Palmer Introduced his u a ,qtr. GareMet Reusing & Development, Inc.
e summz4rized his views of Congregatesr , n
eited an example of a cooperative oonoreqate, housinq
0111ty located Lit 75M ku oat, Mnnesota,,
Corandissionor Stulberq inquIlredif the, Cite court possibly
he Orob sin years t come Vi 'such facilities
converting Into communal j for other than elderly
persons. Mr. Bidne commented 'that the concept of conqreqate
11OUSInq Is new to the Midwest arca.
stated that such housing was for elderly onlyt- wmild the
Cate be pda fir. Sidne ica h believed Chits
would be the case
The, discussed the .°a s of such housinq as i
related o owner occupied, je-sing and/or eng. Staff
noted that It s notmandatory for congregate htosinq
A cooperative, or owner occupied facility.
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August , 198
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Staff "nquired about means of assuring, that oonqre6,ite
houslnq would be limitedo elderly -persons only. Mr. flidne
e that in the case of a c.00peratjv(,, the facilltv
ootild by chartery disertminate aqainstlthose under 55 years
unless- such a person is a adependent. of aresidp-nt of
e facility.
Commlssionr Wire inquired If thcre are uniquo construction
aspects for such housing. Pr. Bidne explaiqedthat the
facilities must be tailored to, an elderly person, and noted
that such development Is n(it less expensive . , n other
residential development.
Chairwoman Vasiliou Inquiredabout the use of housing by
tan lcaRed Persons. Mr. Bidne citedh certain number
of units usuallymust be e-onstructed for use y handicapped
persons*
The COmnllssion discussed with. Mr. Ridne the general
hr ri . of the r enceS. Commissioner 'Wire;
requested ;gin example of env o to middle Income
projects. Mr. Sidne explained' the 7500 York, Wtt r
l . and Beckett Square prt-,Jeets, not all of which are
elderly housing developments.
The Commission discussed with staff various zoning
techniques* special districts,, and reqoIrements for such
facilities. f noted that it may be heneficialt
require a " roof -of r In " plan eased on apartment parking
standards ty valve, so teat Ilf the fa6litnqed
n the future to a market -rate or non -elderly houch Y:
project,, se fI nt parkinq would be avallable. staff also
commented that the useaqe of the fa i ity could bo 11mited
by fIlIng covenants on the property*
Commissioner Wire suggested` that the Ordinance should
address this type of e l m n specifically,. and set
certain standards In an effort to reduce the costs of
development. Staff noted that tete Ordinance alreadyallows
for a reduction In the parking requirements for 'elderly
housing,
Chalrw*man Vasillou Inquired about therig oc t on
charactersuch residences. Mr. Hine expo ine
that there Is a general 'trend for the residents to .locate
near their children or relft-laining familymembers,;
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planningormmi
Auqust 0t 41983
r reconaimended that the City ,provide a
11 or thlis type of development. He su staff
draft several alternatives relatino to quiefing-,I and
dile tune of covenants.The Commission concurredi,
Staff ou nt.:: that, In -addition to the property Interests
expressed by Mr. Rafter, that the City should Lave a
overall Interest in suchn , and an interest in the
sitefir# the CDens the o k ly Plymouth" area,
which Is designated for etderly housi q.
The Coirmission discussed varlouts. financinqalternatives,,
t urrent federal legislation 0icy proposed to allow for
bondignq ._this type of development.
The Cow-Mi$$10nnext Continued the revise of the, proposedCAPITAL 0PROVEWNTS
CormoissionerWire, requested an expl-Inationthe finant1no STREE-Ts
of the projects. Mir. Moore explainedghat- the revenue n
the project are inlitiatled at the same time, and, that the
r venue Is carried forward over severdl veers.
MOTION- Commissioner, Stulberg, seconded by Chairwoman
VasiUou to recommendrecoommend approval of the proposed street
projects for the 1984-1986 CIP. VOTE. 4 Ayes. MQ "' 1m
parried;
Commissioner fir -expressed concern about the tuning of SANITARY Ems`
sonitary sewer Improvements on the Tennant property in the
northeast corner of the City. fie stated that it Is
premature and speculat.1ve to complete such improvements If
the Tennant Company Is not goina to stove forward with their
project.
Staff noted that> h project has been moved back on a yearly
basis since 1980. It was explained that the exact locat.ion
ofhlp sewer lies cannot e determined at this time until
dtiOn can related to the anticipated d-e-volopment.
comuissioner Wire states he felt the should be Involved
in repairing existing sanitary sewer lines ratter than-
installinq speculative, new server <»
Planning Commissiort Minutes
Awast 10. 198
Copzn4isstoner Wire requested information rew'4rdInq thew
w t lro coach Distriot. Staff noted that whe this
Information is forwarded to the CitiCouncl,l, would
be provided for the Commission.
med that developers the
City for sanitary server projeets,
MOTION by Conimtssjoner Wire, seconded by Commissioner
Stulberg to recormNend approval of the sanitary sewer
PrOjectS for tho 1984-1988 CIP, citino the previous
the Citi should maintain sanitary sewer
servicog p r to constructtnqspeculative extensions.
C u i"saner Wire stated he had the same concerns recterdinq, WATER
water extensions as noted for the sanitary waver projects*
Staff explened that the City
I Is not speculatinq(i
such Improvementsthe Capital Tmpro ementsr o r , as
the City mustfinancially prepared to Install these
ImProveMents should development proposals move forward.
MOTION n r Wire, seconded by Commissioner Pauba
to recommend approval of the water projeots 'for the
1984«1988 CIP. Vote. 4Av MOTION carried.
MOTION d missi n r Pauba, seconded, by Commissioner Wire STORK SEWS
to recommend approval of the Store Sewer projects for the
1984-1.088 . Vote. 4 Aves. MOTIM carried,.
Staff explainedthat the Parks portion of the CIP was PARKS
prepard by the Parks and Recreation 1 r, and the Parks
and Recreation Advisory Commission Commissioner
Stulberg indicated he would like to see, the Minutes r
r pn,rt which was forwarded to PRAC and to review their,
submitted comments.
re n as staid her concern with n nq
maintenance costs a oallated with park system expansion and
development*
It was the concensus of theninq Commission that, prior
to the Commission taking w-" the Parks 'portion, of the
CIP. would, nor d like rev 1.:,w background information ora the
projects and associated bud .
RECOMMEMDATION .
VING RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT MVELOPKIMT CONCEPT PLAR_ PRIF L 'PLATI -L AND ,n
CONDITIONAL PERMITf oR ()'4 FOR ITHIRD DD 0 (R3030)
WHEME` S, Dennts Gonyea has requested approvalResidential Planned Unfit neveloolnent
Concept Plan, Preliminary Plan/Plat, and Conditional Use Per il-. and a waiver from the
inimum size requirements for PUID's for nnve 's Third Addiflon, conststino
Pallt lY 110tt, Ott,. acres, the northeast oorner of 36th Avenue Mor'th and
Lachary Lane; and,-
WHEREAS, the Planning ommi ssi n has reviewed the requeste at duly called publie, hear-hear-
Inq and regio-;mends approval; al
NO THFREFORE, BE IT HEREBY RESOLVED CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF P -vmo t mt-
NESOTAt that It should nd hertlhy does approve the Residential Planned Unit Development
Concept Playa, Preliminary Plan/Plat and Conditional Useer t for Dennis Conyeafor
Gofiveal5 Third Ad&tlon on property located In the northeast oorher of 36th Avenue
florih and Zachary Lane subject o ttae following conditions-,
1. Compliance with the Citi Enqineerts Memorandum.
Removal of all dead or dyinq trees from he Property at the 6,.vnerls expense.
NO S i dlnq Permits shall he Issued until a contract has been awarded for
sewer and viater.
Payment park dedication fees-ire-lieu of ded,"Leation In accordance with the
Dedication Policy In effect at the time of filinGthe Final Play..
5. Street; names shall emP withth the City Street Naming System,,
6. No Building Permits snal.. be Issued until the Final Plat Is filed an recorded
with Hennepin County.
Setbacks shall e per PUD Pian.
waiver fro,-,i the 40 acre minimum requirement for PUD I s is aP .r , on the
basis that there are unique constraintsamts a ad the development Is In
nature to the adjoininq developments-. and,
waiver from the Bonus Point vro rasions to allow a density of Z.?units Per
acre 4s approved on the bas- s the plan Is similar t and with the
adjoininq developments.
10,E Appropriate legal documents reqarding 14n en ner Assoolation v3en an s and
r s r tIons as approved by the City Attorney, shall be filed with the final
butlotPact, Including ownership and maintenance of A.,
11. Outlot A be. fenced around he Perimeter of the, piay area.
1Et4DAT10N AUGUST 10,
APPROVING SITE PLANI, a -MI ' ON . USDA° K"AMI`' A1,04F)WRT A4D-V3 ' WILLIAM CADU
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W14FR- S1. W1,111m Gadtkehas requested approval,,or a Stte elan,' rontittional Use Permit
AMORdment and Variance to expend an extstinq self-service cirwash locat,,,J at 35-19
Kilmer, ars
WHEREAS, the Phaning C*ommlsslon has reviewed the request at a dole all d Public Hear.
Ing nd radar=endsa-a.
w j' THEREFORE,, BE IT HEREBY RESOLVEDTHF CITY COCINCTL OF THE CITIY OF PLYMOUTH, MrN-
NESOTA,, that it should and hereby dues approve the Site Plan, Conditional ', t
o -ti
Perm
and Variance for William dt for the ex a an x st nself-ser
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Compliance vvith the City Vnqlneerls Memorandum,. witea submittal of required
drai Cage plans and easements Prior to Issuance of a Suildinq Permit.
bm i-Tori requiredr Site mpr met Performance Aqreemept and the required
financial guarantees for completion of smote improvements.
3. All waste and waste containers shall be stored within the ,an owed structure.
aid no outside storage is permitted.
4. Thu permit is subject to all applicable codes, requiations and Ordinance- and
violation thereof shall be grounds for
5. The permit is issued to the petitioner .s oper of the facility and ha
not be transferable,
6. The site shall be maintained in a sanitary manner.
There shall be no outside vispliy sales or storaqe of merchandise or related
materials.
The permit sad.l be, renewed in one year to assure eompliance with the
conditions.
Variances, in addition to those previously approved for this site, ars
approved for. sate yard setback for parkInq of 5 feet rather than 70,feet.