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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 10-13-1982Page October 11, 198,> s+rrti.sicarr Izrterte* She su e,st e-,d the p l anrt i rti exrttrti s iota de op ,a carte e nsu, Ort the p x pcf,"C.t Ordinance provisions,, e rtrr mssione: r Pdoba statcd it is his, opinion drat salts sboold be ailol txi it, trite 1_I District Ott a limited basis. Uommlls4l tier f (a rlut stated drat- if sales wt,ry c°o tplf-toy rte p ttef l that more problems would be encounterecin rile jorio run He suqgested allowing theysales or, a eery limit ed basis, such as t4lWee times, every two veears. the Impact of traffic ('In adjacent rrtAcibbo,ho,;ds. Cunmi ion r Stulberq stated ire° was riot~ in favor' of they pr' tperse°d ami rtdMent ab tile prctpOSal led tO of la rrob e mss s it culti"lists with tltt' existing Peddlerlt, License e stand that his opinion is that ;the Sal o riot btlonq_ i,rr Ott:- Indus trial District, however, he Would, c.on:5 eeAr and l r tt rt to tlig cit iterm i . i,io r` s l t:lu€ts ommissrorte r tulbe ret ifirrc=i reel about CiArlson Comparrle letter Pertaining to pdrhriq on public ti l t-of.ra Otttie=ektm . al" explained that theOrdinance does cit al i ata extended P&'ki rite Ott, pub l icy right-of-wav . t al f does not support` allowing required parking Ort the'Public right-of- d because of control uoncerrts. facia site should have 5uffici.ertt ptirkinq, oto—';orf, to handl la 3 esacir parki rye:°cis vMmxssioner Wirt, state if a compart lids a sueeess `ul sale Cu tOmeKrs will park gars or, the rl;pht-af Yt if needed. He stated that, it is riot reasortabIt., to prohibit l.arkinq on the roadways. Commissioner St'eige'rt al d sug(jestekef that they rdrndnc e require the petitioner to hirt Police to voaorol` the traffic for they duration of the This cast would be ah%p rj(# beyond any administrativex` application ee.. Da e Kenrtedy, Carlson =Pdnies, explained that parking should be allowed on they side streets but riot on ma,'e(Nr roads or high vat's. Mr.. Kennedy eaeplaxrteu that `arl sort`wq,)art t. s sales usually last four days, Thursday throu0b, unda. 14e e= lllaitt d that merchandise from other Carlson facilities . i. s brought to the Plymouth facility fur sale. The proposed Ordirtartoe would meat allow this. page 27 October 13, 1 Mr. Kennedy explained A.h t the Cars -Companies' sales are liquidation saes of old'oetaloa items. COmmilisiofler Wire stated that the City must be careful of the potential abuse of the proposed Ordinance; espeo'ally regard nq mer hand" se from other looatlop,; ew.-niss oner xteigerwald, agreed with the `arlson Com panIes' suggestion pertaining to item 4b of the proposeI Ordinance. This item shouldread: 'per oodupant'l, rather than "per property". Also, Cwnmis loner Steigerwald stated that atwo dad: sale twice a year was a good idea. Commissioner expressed concern about the reotil.arity of hese sales Le.,,, o currl n on an anneal or seastnal basis. He suggested the 1' ord." a "not regular In nature"., be added to the Ordinance. Howard Hunt, 17205 County Road 471 stated he was familiar with one wholesale husl ess In the Cit,, which conducted a sale at leash on an anneal basis which attractcd retailers within the five :tate area. The planningCommission confirmed that the en ° al public is not invited to" sale and that it is intended for retailers and contrac to"T%,. The, proposed Ordinance is dUeeted at those sales oriented to the public,, chairwoman, Vasiliou stated that thus far she Commission's 0000en us was to allow some sales, limiting, them to a specific number and requl.rinq the petitioner to enforce traffL; control. She inquired about the number of applications the Cts receives for such: sales. Staff explained that approximately, four to flee applications are submitted per year, ' and approximately five to sax sales, have been conducted without the appropz,iate approvals. with reference to the letter submitted by Carlson Companies, Commissioner Steiqerwald stated that i eiion 1) (a), she ap licati.on should be submitted at least thirty calendar days prior to the proposed event and not fifteen days as suggested: Commissioner Stulberq concurred with the Carlson Companies-, suggestion that in section ' (a), the wording should read.- "evera,.-I "ever.-Ishall not exceed three c l ndar, days" t and that- two of the days shall he aturday and unday". Commissioner teig rwald suggested ad inq the word llcor. ,ecutivezl hetore the ward :"calendar" in this item. Pages 272 pla(in i €q C mmis i, n Minutes October 13, 1982 The Cc rMis zura cone rred thdt in Se ct icrrt r b the events shall riot ex ce ed two evtrts per eae€rdrr year per ceup r€tt"t rather than "property". Commissioner 'etre s €,s e,d (fdi nel the words.-, "not reqular in nature" to the Daley Kennedy, Carlson Cctmparrle , inquired if sales to errat)lQNees woUI d be VoUnted as part ()f tfle al lu ahle gale days. The Commission exp wined that the rdinancc—, is i r t nded to address sj t the h € ener uh l c and not itr te°r alrt r pldye e ales. Comms-3sione#r Stulberq concurred with the Carlson Companies` su pcs lun for items e), which would delete the last entet€ e Of the, paragraph and reword the second s ntenue -u ead, "'only reretxarrdf.se which snormally €a€crf'attrref, sold, crr° s tolc* d by t tae occupant on the shut premises sfv old nd € r promoted". m l otter Steigerwald stated that parking should be Aluwe:d on the public; right-of-way and streets of minor or weal roads during the eeend. They Ordinance should pr oN id that "'traffic control by authorized law e?efor etnx nt officers, as approved by they Director~' of public Safet be r vide-ei % the petitioner",. Conmis over Stulberg suggested that the proposed Ordinance n r€dment arid Peddler's License code requirements be utrurdin t e;d so as t0 pr errt conflict Between the rtquiremerets.. C m€ isslotter t uiqPrw4d stated they Cu mission could request theCl,t Council to also reNiew t Peddler's 's Livens . Commissioner Stulberq sergge*s f rTM Ordinance contain the requirement that the perMi ail opl a dStaff suggested that a requirement shbu l d be ail ed that thepetitioner show elvidenCe of State Sales T3jx number. The Commission concurred.. Chairwoman Vasil ou inquired if Carlson Companies (dresse a such sales in their lease agreetr nts with tenants. Mfr. et ned indicated he did not think they leases addressed this. tie stated he would ito e tiu to the lease lanquageL. Chairwoman etas it uu V l used the PUb io Hearing. MOTION b Ccs€ issXon r Stulberg, ,seconded by Commissioner telger ral,d to take action On this item at this € eeting. Vote ales. Commissioner Plufka absent. i"273 Pl,--nni n. t r 13, 1982 NOTION y ummissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner RUCOMWNDAT IONStfig(OWId to r enom end ddopt iura of the proposed Orth n4in€ e, dnx-n i rpt as revised withfurther cgndat ion to the 4mefldmetlt with the, Peddler's, License. Cheirwonan Qviliou suggested that the Ccnmrnission recommend rt',view or the Wdler's License code; requirements as part of the dgenda for 1981. dyes. Commiss, oner Plv ifka ahspnt . MOTION cirrr ed . VOTE ouriv il tuber Threincyt confirmed that the City Council was also concerned about the tramsient r ref --ant s . chair womdrr as l iou introduced the proposed Shoreland SWRELAND, MET Area Ordinance A t tWment aria oven d the Public AREA ORDIMNCE i n(I eadin # of the Oct-ober 7, 1982 staff report was AWNDWNT:.. pedr oyzard jkvit, 172W ourrty Road 47, stated that it is his u irrr.urr the propos ,d Orrin rt rt imposed a burden on the pr ezien4 Citizens of thy: City. The amendment dues not pwovide a means for #opeas t ion for those people who wool d not be tlydndfath red under the current Ordinance. ce. 1r. Hunt plamd that his home in Wthin the Shoreland. ManagenNit Ara and that e would be "prandfath red"; however, 'W, 01"sitt Wt.ry system must be cl ikoat ed within We years d"d he does not have MOM on bin land where he could r elo at ; the .Xyst (,,M. Mr,- Hunt identified that his property is classified as shurelahol within the neral Development Area of Elm r He requested t.bdt the Cit, defer adoption of the propos d t d" amendment until.. ef ter: 411 of : the f luwinq items :are p$ 1; j 1. That at 1 affected properties are guar ~meed Mrandfath r d" on- onfor inq status- 2. That the City receive fends from State revenues to install cOmPlAnO sanitary services at no cost to this property ownersz 31. That the State provide funds to acquire stior l and properties wkich do not emply with the new regulations similar to emmi ent domain procedurn used for roadways; 1,390 274 rrr;mrs ierrr r.rrrat exs ct($b r• µi , 1982 4. That the prerp+a acd Shoreland ,eriay District maps. be amended to exclude rrurt-con i 4 i n, e x i st i nti us(,,., Mr. Hunt Oquired if Item (b) on page tour ( Interpretation Rourtdaripis) arta thijt tic. t)i!Aria berurreiar e!s could be t""plailled that It dues not ft°-art the b urreiar` s curt be ari;.`tust e butt ratheYr, it pray A d(-, for the par t icti ete{te r rirrat rrarl f tshorelatid limits, e o topographic sttudt iurrs for exdMPle. Suers Cases warred be re ivwcd or, a ase. by case basis* ir. Hurst stated this caa apply to his situation as his holes z< located oil a tri1i r. 14"Int inquired if Items 4 1 firo jgh () con Iraq(- rre e onr "ist nt with they stat° staff e:drifi - med this. He expressed Cearioerrr aboxrt It-e 4a( on rra e' W- r'tair inq to substandard bats; and the lanctua,4e e ri:o i r{eak'. f sir lot is in separate ownershi,p frm, ahut irret Lands", Mr. Hutt stated this i.s4: i ser imin:. t q toward theruWrt owxley)Vho anc-els, Staffexplained y #{i g1 iArrte my of ttreri State t e u. t ion Lr to ixk1r ss those situations where a lot is adjacent to a urstandard _ lot and s oriacd by the same" 'Wope:rt o ne#ry and where they lots stroma: be vonso l dated to el im rate they substandard lot. Mr. {urrt O uireact if rer rene- i,rr 4a(4) to they Urban Servicp Area rtsieTred to tht,: Metropolitan Urban Seer*vires Area. Stafr stated this wool be er 'iedj as the irrt rpt. is to rkerer to areas wh(-.ru trunk sanitary sewer service is avuilabl , qtr. 14aaV i explained that if referonce is to be made to the,, s Called City Urban r,Ice:Area (''(JSA)) then they item is riot Mr,, Hunt eh prvi ed concern, bout- Item rib on page 6t arld tit ted that th1 larru.-ige ries scot address top etr phy or re le- dt.i n, but only refers, to a lineal setback distance. Mr. Huntsuggestcd suggestthat instead reference should be rude to a minimum basement eieviation above the high water elevation. staff explained ,that if topo raphio consWerations are in order, they can be addresssr throuqh the interpretation par4i rah previously discussed. It was explained that the Shortlaiid Mandq t*ifr1, requlations are not intended to address they same items a3 Flood Plain requIations, but arein- tended to protect publke Page 27 55 l.arinin " mmilsi. r, minkI es Octoberz 198 Mr , Hum $i at tact t hat it ear d , ,w : , epi tje rTore e- ' to private ru dsl',: Also, It° 4(j(41) ')Fl pat Is drwi ewa s from hparking arreta s reeninp rectul$atiots. Staff c:.lar•if"ied heat Item b urj pj S reffl,rs to propdsc° Plats Whip',h are not. exvmptedl, per lte n 4j(5) out Vacle Mr,, Hunt .red to pa 10$ item 1h: ar d to pa e 131 t c- loc., + , sewage isPP>dl and referred to his prt,;y rul u , v tnax-ndaat iorts wh i.eh should bt, Considered by, the r t It propos 4-ifendment were adopted, hii *- sarjitar' fair: rIit aes it, ould `= if' i0ldt W re O . the €li dinance requir ments. St,'.f4 confirmed for f4r. Hurst, r .at the sWttdat for srst t s, lasted on page 11 are consistetiv with the ONR rvquiryents. M,r., Ha rt inquired wr;d wuc l d submit a variance a plie t * as tl4ined on page 13 of the proposed ar errdrr nt . Staf vxplai.rted that tht, n r l * 4rzance procedure would be usedr the' dre initiated b pr , t owners r. Runt; s este' that the public he gi ra should he recessed and an i nv ert r yforallvarx1(c'e sit*:rat1Wns be prepared and that all persons irivu,lved be notified of the potential impacts. He expressed Cone'°rrt ah .rt Item 10 ti on page 13, indicatinthat `this would revertt homecwr er rrc%-n improv inn heir xistinq dwelling. fe r°ei.terati:d that the amendment needs to ;. address rniti a ri sand d per*ation at no cost to owners,. Overall, fie indii. c°at d, " his concern is that the reu: a°tions will hinder the future title, transfer,` and sale 0 property. Ommissi ner Stiqerwald stated that fit! is personally amo re Of the impact of t,h ri Shoreland Mandctemx-nt re a ataiotis,, and explaairted that -.these re dations are needed in order to address the way public waters are polluted due to improper Sh rel and development. Cham .YUMa", Vdiiliou inctuired if Mr. Hunt has discussed the atilt(, rcguldtM4 with the elected State Representati%es. Mr. ur4t indicated he had not;,hair e ar Vas"Iiou stated abuses -u th uh.liL-vvilE r have occurred in the last decade, but t,rat those pt, -o l.e in place should not he required to move, She statedthat art earlier discussion indicated that the substandard lets existing ursec ficine Lake would be, qrandratheri3O intoto the regulations. Staff explained that the existing lots on the east side of Nis itte Lake are already restricted h the Zoninq Ordinance, acrd t rr t the proposed amendment would not, i tvtens i fy the res ti Ct'ions. Noe 1 anrlifo, Commission Miltut ko3 October 13, 1982 St al t MA ett thot the ubstandard of do not conform to the, revrlatiotts wWlrespect to area ;and setbacks. Th rcVulatious wuurcuip1y to Ortlyr those 'I -As fl yh abet the pubUQ water. The int rit of the regWations is not t render 'a £- useless, but to require corrfefitjorj to existirlq a,irwt ,,Art dtr ilibct inctui tie about thy, ant icipat d t iminq of review Of t t, opo!sa ,, Staff explained that the CWmission evuld consi c r° the information at h,jr 11ext *j-fqular meetine ill November. The `t " Is for adoptions per DNRINuvetbr13, 1982. 1u .,rwm .ldber', ; LundgrenBrothers trr struet. icrtt Ct trtpan,w, ttted On dif " rettc'c;s betweett tttc# s ittdars (I (It i fid` aqt` 5 and M ems a 1 through (3), and t he DN r (VJu lat io I 1!i Ht,expressed c 0n eet It dbout exist i n approved prelimittiry plats and the impart Of the rtcjulations i ado t -ed -confirmed that, per itcm, 5 b brr page Pj those thew pIdts which ar° nconsist. fit with the horelar,€t Md(t r c.=tri; ttt regulations would be forwarded to t h > Departmt,rit of Natural Resources. Staff explained that the rod clo r egfula.t roars 'were, in some eds s# more restrictive than DMP criteria,. but were con x t <- t with aria no more restrictive than existing Ordinance standards. Mr. Goldberg inquired how the rcegtilet karts address Planned lri tevelopment , Staff referred to paae 6,1 Item 4a(5a), and paue 9, It em 6. Planned Unit, Dei l ooment s are exc c t ions to the miulation.5 cr dr1 approval b WIR. The r cT rildtion5 take into account tf use of Planned ifnit Devel pmetit provisions and enck ura e clusterinq of homes grid preservation of open space. Mr. Goldberg ex r i- s ed concern about ttti s representino d"Ot,htr agency that would be re uirfd to review proposals Mr. Goldberg inquired if" the 110 fta lot, width requirement state on paqe 5 is applicable to those lots which are located on cul -de -,sacs. Staff explainO that the lot width s rt .asur d at the building line,,and the cardiriar, high water mark, tirid riot the front lot lute where the current Ordinancecul-de-soy lot width provisions apply'. Mt.. Goldberg m1firmed that the minimcmlot size would include larks area within, the water. Staff explained that i the property, line extends into the water, the grass area would Include : that portion. '1*'t:bacs would be from the ordinaryhighwatermark,,, Page 277 f lann ngmmissionMinutes October 3 1982 MOTION b Chairwoman a lllov, seconded b.V Commissioner RECO A0 P, f_ Pa ba defer action on the Proposed Ordinance amendments TO W. R11 4 , 4 (IN Reeding responses to the oucestions submitted during this Public hearing. The Public Hearing shall be continu ed and notices be seat to those present and to the tp q{{yy pM' {{ f*ul#dg i[\aeloi$xn'6C. `ouC".. Staff explained that a list of Pr j rtie with potential variances and with non -complying sanitary facilities has not been prepared. Staff explained that all the property owners within, the shore and areas were got notified, in that . the regulation . were not a re oninp of lana. Extensive discussion ensued. Howard Hunt suogested the inventory of non -complying sanitary facilities should be done now, with funds prolded by the DNR. Commissioner tul berg stated that st,.ff response to the issues ral ed should be reviewed by the Commission before an -r further action Is con idereo. Iou tc lmember fhrellnen suggested that the`ommi on couf dl recommend. inventory f" and notice t impacted prof)ernes tyan l. VOTE 6 ayes. Coftimissinner Plufka absent. MOTION carred.VOTE hna CbMM SSiOn took a five minute recess. NEW BUSINESS Chairwoman Vasilf oar introduced the request submitted by RPUD FINAL PLANIPLATRobertMiddlemistforanRPUDFinalPlanandPkatforaHERRYMIDDLFMIST" development to be known a "Nerry Midd .emist" for property 81055) located at 31st Avenue North and Pilgrim Lane. She iniuxred if the petitioner had any questions. Mr, Midd:l:'-mist indicated he had no questions regarding the staff report however, he would be sending a letter to the Council discussing, concerns, with the Engineer's recommendations Reading of the September , 1982' staff report was waived MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner RECOMMENDATION A Pauba to recommend approval of the proposed RPiP Eisai Plan and Plat,for "Perry Middlemi t" subject to the c edit-; ons in the :staff report recommendation VOTE 6 ayes. Commissioner Plufa absent, MTI(w carr. ed. VOTE Page 2 TIA anninq Commission Misjjlts Chairwoman Vasiliott introduced the request subroittc.d byCeceliaDrazekOr4totMvIsIon/Variance aPIRation for CUR 1 A `K property located at the n rt ww st corner of Ridtlemount LOT DIVT51(ml, ; VARIAM (87015) Ave and tac n ilia Lane. Readinq of the %tob r 19441: staff report t -'as waived. Commisv,,ioner Wire Inquired why the petitioner chose divioe the property by, metes and nllnol$1 rather than Plat t 1 n . Ms. OWN explain& that ween she initial1y considered dividing theproperty she was unaware a variance was involved. Un notification f the requIr n*n st she InNesti ata d V& cOsts O latt} in(l versus dividim the property by metes and bounds and determined pidttinq was to,o costly. tly. t'amm ssioner WI -re Inquired what the ccists fop Platting would be. FIs. Drazek stated tiv,t an estimate was submitted for 514000.00. , Staff confirmed that dependina on the aunt of field work ; required, a preliminary and final Plat could om teat. AmOMIt Staff explained that this IrOPerty was origl ; y patted many a n, and was subsequently Ji v ide b k! mites and bounds description. Now the petitioner requ sts to divide the property again metes and u!ds description. CSA.{misbTi&.#ne Stu—I L-.-rg c -'c of im. d -. 'thatt A&,T, <8 ,R o ss dews require _ ci vc,,:- ance. OTT y Commissioner Wire, seconded, by Qmissioner RFCOMWNDATTON A t l rwald commend tLy tytom[ DIv¢o 1 COCOAapproval subjectazek conditions in the staff report, due to platting heinq cast rVi Itivt for division Of a int into two lots which were r end y platted. VM ales. 00mmissioner NO& absent. MOTIOArrled. VOTF CtMSSIOnell Wiry.* su sledthat the Plat,an ng Commissloo review the rdinan requirements which establish that variances are needed in order to divide property by antes and bounds description. Tt appears that, considering the co'st, 1-: May, e reasOnkle Q KIM Such lot divisions, Chairwoman Vasiliou stated' this would be added to the recommended a nd for qhi Staff supgested that the entire aubdiVlsion Ordinance be re-evaluated and updated. October 15" 19sZ Chizirwomao Vasiliou irttroduced the request 'ttva b. GARDIM-MATWOKGardinq-Ntuzuk Properticfor Florell Class flt ou r n<t., Inc. PRVERTIES FOR, for the Pit"'artrr;crl-m is"si o•r arra ' counci t err cc. FMIL # B Ithetrmtnrtloft :. ° t o u e for por I oc;A t ed a t 1440 Kil ,r° Ldne. Rc-,,adinq c,,f t eetAvoth ,,'staf r v dltur for herr rt -Lync h—Burnet, w[l c-Prest1rtt'' tile etit i n > . f= ',ain that V%e landownersers x 1-31-r t. r of a &nt:11 IAboratory rrr tile Cit.., ¢.r r~etr t iel ct* The , trer pecat i, , r bu erg of tile'proper Opt- rt(,s it t r r rtt r; .e'Ac h CWO)st,, - Mr. "endrickson stated ojt The pub t c d0t-4 rrcrt dt t i tnui sir. e t c f--,rr the tvse . He rrtit. e that ch rit, gat .t arbor-Aor v s art dt t ' tri use air the ife t xplirrned flat ttre two a e"s are simil tar t,rr that bt h fill ec.rst m sra mt t eco byctierttthetrrrmberofe € loNevs is low and are tr t, i . ec t.tnrr..t ry tools art, c('41* and the,;pr-Ocess t.rry toe , trr t or r is ko, ex* n' t ex t ht-, (Ilas5 blowiliq cr klcr intvd the Btaff tr: the staff rewits is nt.t t c xrrr*x tyt.- f firm os thc proposed land use. Tire_ ti, ted business ct !> it's a w4 0.1t the qlass is meltled dorm* cast Ot tiro Ulrrt,xr companies are located on ttre east codst rrttr tamttecfrYv vt,, k rtdb e, eino lo r ier companies wfio service their wn needs. Mr. ertdvic ksu!t st,dtvd that the 1,ridowrtvr.,4' dental business would emplvy approximatelv 5 veoj)j, anti is tocated in q r dppr,,.ximdte 4,00 . t"t4 br ttd,rn ., The use rrry tves ,eryIOWtrdltWandctm. - c.rr*c,d tvr4 *e r4 tree t q ls ldbtor,, c-n(,rate tiro amv type of trditic n gMyor p y$ ould rrt mht r Gf, -MP 4 mX'4 es.' mr trar Steigerwald Inquired if an art t t Kq, Jss blowinq studiois amr ar use. qtr. Moret t ex ta,.net that the t.wfa uses dre different .rfr that an artist reforms tete qla,54 trr MUlten_ state trrr u(th a gape. The err opo er. 1au-r rr%€ e ls!, ' c.)r %. a small scale MOtIOU by Commissioner Steiqerwald, seconded by Commissioner RECOtWNDAT 10114 Stulberq to, recommend tete determination that a qlasst trrq laboratory be considered, a substantiallsimilar Use to a ental la crret r which is art al lowilbte use to the 9-3 Zoning District,,. Pape Planninq Co rms u,On lnute toter 13, 1982 Commissioner Magnus Inquired if such class gif leat Ion was definitive en u h to prevent a qla s anu aoturin business from locating in the 6-3 District. Staff exnjajgtt d th t the rdl nanee wouldhe elarl 'led to reach, laboratories -medical, dent -A, glass hlo a.n ". This approach is reasonable enoucth to distxn usi sh between the glass 11bo.ratory and a Qlassware manufaefurinq VOTE 4, ayes.Comm! ssl.uner pl ufka absent. MOTION carried. i HER BOSt .5S Chairwoman Vasrliou explail ed that the rommisslon and PROPOSE LAND TRUSTCouncilhadr-aVI'levved., this matter at the Joint meeting on Monday October 11, 1962 and thansic hadn rmed the Council the matt-er would he retijrned to the Commission, ,for final r evaew anz# action. MOTION mm ss over Ste1qerwald seconded by Commissioner. FCOMW.NDATION Magnus , to, endorse the establishment of a Plymouth Park and Recreatloo Land Trust as, set forth In the August 18$1982 Assistant City Uana er's emor«aodum n ludi n tete draft e4fResolution dated June 7 f Mt ,'4,10 d by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner i AWNDWMT TO MOTIONtelerwal, d to amend the Motion by recommendiriq the x following changes to the draft Resolutions 1. Modify paragraph a (purpose), to specify th t j donation o land shall he held for a reasonai)le time (perpetually) or until it is spec l'aoal.ly determined tbat the lard is not needed- and, Add to Item d the ele mant o malntena'nee costs. Lxtensive discussion ensued, and Chalrwoman Vasilioti commented that hex concerns with this proposal include the observation : that the Parks and Retreat ion Advisory Crxnmission1has some reservations about tUs and that it is not possible dor one1t ounell to obligate future City Councils with respec;tR, to "perpetual" cc"mitment<s on parkland and the like. P N G COMISSION RROMW14D ION A PUNNING COMMISSION, RECOMWNDATION 9