HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 08-18-1982CI TY Or PLYNWTH
PLANNItc COMMISSION MIKES
AUGUST 181, 998
special meeting of the Plymouth Planni nQ Commission was
Galled to ord(,r at 705 P.M.
Wire, S u berg, Plufkaj Pauba, arid
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tc4ge4 ld4 '
MMdl : Comm ss oner Magnus
STAFF PRESENT z` mmun Development rector
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3 A ciX.i -:i c
OMmun tv Devel opnx!nt, Coordinator
Sara Mcc;nrl
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Chairwoman Vasiliou intro uced the request submitted by 7ACHHMHOWS, INC,. achm4n, Uomt,s, Inc. and requested staff to review t by Auqust RPUD PRELIMNARY PLAN/ 12, 198 staff report.. PLAT,, CONDITJWL USE
Staff explained that this petition represents completion of
PERMIT AWNDMENI RE -
ZONIK, AND VARIANCEthere5idntialCVelOpm(#rtt WithITI, the CrIterlon MP JO 7 _l FOR, "FOX GUEN THIRD
arid 1.*.oposed development of 34 duplex units, s rtg3e ADDITION", tA-814ifamily, and retention Of one existing single family dwell -
1 fig. The approved MPUD Preliminary Plan/Plat showed 1
s r crle aryl d t _ hhed d eu r lots and a= aloe for "this
becauseareaTheoutlofWascreate of the lack of depth
to the area -,ouh of the proposed street to serve this
arta. Tht item arcd dl rect ion called for the lot to
develop and oc Incorporated with the t4unson property located
to the suUth. Z401111dr, Hames, Inc. t desires to cL plete the
residential do *vt lOPment of the Criterion MPUG with the.
incorporation of they Munson property.
fat off revitiied the request, and proposed platting method
t l h involves a variance from the Rubdivlslon Ordinance,
The: prOpose plated lots would be divided In order to
create individual urtlt lots atter the vnit is constructed b
thy° uta.li 4ton of ai-bul lt survey to define the common wall $
or dividing ;line between units. It 1s recommended that if
this approach is determined appropriate, that a "blanket"
resolution approving the skibse uent lotdivisions to create
the individual parcels be approved so that applifeat Ions for
each lot division would not require complete processing.
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Staff confirmed that the type of writs and d irsity proposed
are within Ordinance requirements,,
Chairwoman Vasillou rrcugnIzed Mr. Sam Laolimarill 7a hmarrHomes, Inc. who explained slides Of
I existing twlnhom s. 'Mn-
stru t d by Zachman Humes Inc. The examples were of d v l-•
OPM nt located in Eagan and St. Paul.
Commlssloner Pauba Inquired as, to th(= price of the proposed
urclis Mr., Zachmen explained that each duplex unit would be
pr ecd at approximately 66,000. The sIrKjlv family detached, dt callings, would range b tw eit $70-71, 00,, Staff explained
t,h t the Ordinance does riot require that a gar aq, be provid-
ed with the Initial construction Of $ nine family detached
UnIts, Howtver, the `builditi# aPPIkedtion plans must ,previde
for future cunstr°uct fort, of a garage. Cara](,n are required
1'or duplex units.
Ch lrwdman Vas111uu opened the Public Hcarl q.
von Krupp, 3540 North F rnbrook Lane,' stated that tie has
tlert a resident for 9 years and was under the Impression
that the QOMPletion of this d v lupmc:=nt would be with singl(.
famil.y detached homes* It was Mr. Krupp's opinion the
duplex homes would b#tf fc:r the development from the Industri-
al 4-n :th- east However, the duplex units actually
provide a buffer between the already constructed Fox Glare
development and the exist nq sinqle family .dw llinas to the
south. Mr. Krupp stated he was opposed to the appl'Icati0q.
ohn Lphardt, 1410 35th Avenue North, stated he has been a
r vsid nt Of Plymouth for 11 years, and inquired what Impact
the proposed duplexes' would have cert the resale value of has
hu s ;t qtr. Lphardt txplained that there as a large hall ad. -
J0101119 tile Munson property txnd he is concerned that If
someone were injured on the gill On his r op rt , he would
be 11 able. ter. Lphdrdt requested that it be stated an the
t4inutes that Zachman Hume.., In- c. Auld; himt that they Would
grade tile existing, hill. Chairwoman Vasillou explained that
this would be a private agreement between Mr. Ephardt and
Lachman r*'umvsr Inc*, and that the City would not he involv-
ed. Mr. Ephardt a(*nowl. dged that fie had created the ltua-
burr, but that was wht," there were riot many children ars the
neighborhood.
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Pl ttrlifly CUMMIUJorl minutvs
drid tte has not e pert eased a loss to t btu value of his j(yne"
Chdirwomiatt ' ,-P. ou oJosed the Public hedrinQ1.
MOTION b , Comml s' :t, r i rey, seconded by COMM1.5sioner l e a
to t a .t- act lost t tt t j petition. - Ayes. cmmfS loner
Magnus abs; rkt c•arri gid.
omml s l(rter Wirt kxxpres5ed cancer,ri about the t r n it ask
from the drpli:x:, to the xistlnu sl.rtq.le family homes. Mr.
deli tkrtt` explaisvp.d that ttt, duplexes buffer the. Fox Glen
s.rrtgl f family detached dwel 11i,gs from the h1aher dent rty to
the so tvheaat. Johri Artder;>ort, Aref,ljtgcRt r vle4 d tate Pro -
pt sed tr tdcs, topcactr phy, and tenet In vesica t tort, and ex-
plarrked how, they. Nyokald provide a natvral b ffer trartsrtion.
mit> t'd- t f f. V p a.i.t's, ' tft'a$ a .T«dnds ape .$..a t
could be required with the final site plan ajid plat. Charr-
wctManVa! lIljoa indl atcd that tttc pet l t. corker should be so
dr rt,et ed to provide a detailed landscape plan, showI n
trans l t tort , St df fi not ed that the adjacent. l rid has the
sai:c: A- guiding
MOTION by Chairwoman bra a l l o $ seloortded- by Commissioner
Iz-ulborp to recommend approval subject to tete condlt1orks 'lit TON A
the ,td r report, ddi rig conditioit. no,, 12 th.1t a I rr.f, pe
pl.art should be submitted with the Final Plan and .Plat apply.,
cation providing a buffer and transition bct°ween the propos_
vd t to h d ckrtit s and tht° aqpCent $ngl fdmily dwol lr no.
to the southwest
Chdir Woman Vasilroo encouraged the pet.rt jonc r to meat W1 t11
the surroutidrrtp neighbors to explaln the proposed plant,, and
to drscoss the trarksitiort,
rot a . Ayes "omrktI !,510del .Maqrtus absent. MOTION c, rried. VO TE
Chairwoman Vasillou Introduced the petition submitted by
Stobbe Development Company, Inc., for tate oonstruct fort of , a STOW DEVELOPW T
seven MIA apartment ' Ju .l di ns t a be located West of Medicine CTHC*
Dake Road and IZ0 Avewe forth. A review of the August 11, SXTF PLAN M
1982 staff report was reeut,>sted. CONDITIONAL USE
Staff exp.lained that th(,x lhor•)u h are uideplan calls for -a
PEWIT
wtma or" °ol l aor roadway it, {th! s general, area. The Engine-
eringring Department etas rt -commended that adequate right-of-way
beprovided for 12th Avc,nuo North to provide for the colle -
tor.
Pace
Augtl5ty
t wa,-i c xpa *ted t 6r t the road would not, ' be dc' vee e to
vlkevtor ,autos utall further land to VICe-'stew,elo zs.
io ri er* th,aCit;' mut arisure that adequate ra(Pht--of-wky
dedlcat ted at tills t Iff e so t ha art t he Cfuture i f road 1vxp n-
1 n is required It a
1taarYtVma1r VdsJ arau recO9111°d the petitioner and ojxxrted thv
Publics Hedr,* rtq.
There wert, ijo ccamtrtt. - Chaarrvomar, Vasr sort closed the
Pubs ie, Ht,4rl rig'.
iOTION by Cmrtti"loner Pauba, seconded by 'omma aanc°r
Pl U fka to talo., clet !Ott ort gess Pet' a ton. 6 Avec.
ommx,, isio v -r Aa9tips, b trit' MOT I ON,car r1, cc
M0 T I OU Ly Commistsioner Pdubat seconded by Commissioner RECOMWNIDATION
and, c:td t ional b(- Permit for Stobbe Dc-e,'lopm °rat Comparly
s mb ect to the conditions a stated in the staff report
Lr intrtbU:,, Stobbe Developmeot Comparly, expressed concern
about their lxahillty for the entart- cost of construction
for 1 ti1r Avenue
I
North Chairwoman' Vasaljrace and t a f
x.raartcad that.. tht'- City Council would deft rmine tete
assts teats and distribution.
ote. 6 Ayes. COmMi 10 tier Maqnus absent. WT ION carried. VOTE
Chairwoman Vaa iou introduced the request submitted by 3ERRY UMLL
Jerry Uzzelt, and requested that the Auoust, 11, 19,2a PRELIMINARYPRELIMINARY PLAN` ANn_
report be, reviewed. VA AN FOR
LYNNETTE MARIE AT)I)n
df e %hired tete proposal is .r ll hltt tete density rovi - 8?042)
ions for this distract. It is staff's opinion that the
props}rt.y ccaul d(,Yelop without v..',,riances and provide public
road access and public utilities to tete lots &,'thjrt Ordin-
anocA requirements.
Chairwoman Vdsillaau opencd the Public flearinc nr recorte Yd
Mr- UZzell, Petitioner,, }rho introduced Mr. Cad. Hedlund,
r crrrec r
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slide pr serrtat ion wis made reviewing t top rep wy
addresbing building and site features., for. Hedlund presewi_
ed profiles with the tYPiCal layout for public street versus
the, pr,Voscd private} ArIve Mra :-dlund summarized that the
Petitioner does, not fell It is feasible to develop they prop-
erty w l'th apublic street due to the substantial amoUn of
fill rc-quire , loss of t natural aesthetics of the site,
and costs of oorrslruetior. Hedl.urd explained that the
petltloraer anticipat $ ng a private access to the
lake for the d cen Chippewa Trails lots to the north.
Commrsssaoner Wire inquired where. the,xis tzr; parparki cu area
Is located for the . of Immediately to the south, and he
Inquired how al public. street cul -de -sae would be located
over tine existing sanitary sewer lines. Staff explained
that utilities -, could be provided from the existinq lines in
estMedicine Lake Roade and would be located within tape
rl qht-of-wway of the new road into, the plat.
C m ssl rrwe ' tel erwald r requested that staff expl.alrr t°hr a
rAecumme;ndatIon and pdssl l;e lo,--dtlorw of a public street.
Staff explained that, If the proposal is approved, the plat
would include tw n lotb, that would not have front aqe. on a
public roa(l. The proposal calls for `three lots* however,
mothili spc'talfle lly mandate$ that the. property rust develop
It w th d"veil l.rwg Wiltsstaff pl lned there are se -
al ;pons zbl.l m t 1. es for 1OQat I r'Rg d public street such as at the -
south cornt-r of the property, or with ao "eyebrow" cul -de -
bee from West Medicine Lake Read. Construction of a public
street would require fill' .and storm sewer provisions., They
Commission should determine= whether these considerations
rvv as a basis for a variance,,,staff pointed out that the
peor,obed location of the dweylllrrp units also require Ifr ln-
atlbn of trees
Staff recommended, i f the Commission determines to recommend
approval of the, request, that an addition to. conditzdn
number 9 be made that there be legal; provision made for
perpetual maintendnee, by the landowners and prIvat e
ut il: l ty 1.10es 4
1 Commission inquired about the northwest house 'Identified
or; the petitioner: °s grophi show`rtg a ctrl -de -sac servinq the
property from the north arid if this could be readjusted so
that It would not be so crowded. Cal Hedlund explained that
In orders to maintain the setbacks' frm West Medicine Lake
Road, the identified location prov zde d the maximtta clearance
to the: lot line.
tut
Chu ir°worm, Vizsillotj oix-ned the fublic Wi n(l.
Dick Hat Vreldj, X524 f d citte Lake Drive, st xi he was Crare
t } proposed drairia9c.Mr. Nal € x el d has owned
pr opert .rr the art°a for 5, years arra frgy=m tae basenvrrt of
fiOube he toys Into the okAa xd of the subject „*raper-
ty- r- stat f i dd Stated he had experts review the
pro ert aid it is their rv<.o r c ndat Jorj that if the subject
pr'o t, rty dvv o)s hz land wi be t oc d 'd ,
Cha tNwc: ar dsi l .Ou eX01,34"ed that each developerper I s worn--
Ib lr, for approp i at t dev op ort of the pry aj't , t chid nq
Mr. Hatfield ftqulrxed' if underground telepone 6tility lineswillbeprovidedtwo1stoattht $dm(" t imc that t` a . are
provided toht.- subject property. Chairwoman Va iliou $uq_
All
q(!A rid that Mr. Hatfield c t pct the private, utility, omall-
Mrs Hatfield expressed concern aho y . the petit ori '
rr'Jt Os,11 to ly vvkde lake access for the ad 61,11 o lots In
tht, ('111ppewaa, IIs d v, el op ntpt-,o* r ical ly ht, w,
c:c ric er tied wi t t lormt h of a dock.
Cha rwo an V;.,All ou r e— l ewed , teat the City does
Orthnancts relating to the loc4itaor or houses and the high
wit r eleN at ijin 111jes., She Inquirt.d of Mr., fledund whether
the adjacent property owfter have been contacted with
mspect to tte proposed lake access. Mr. Hedlund explained
that th petit*orI r'$ oriOnd 'intent was to divide, the pro-
perty into four lots,. How ver., this could not be acc'c tir--
dated so in order to recover t e cost of the. "Icamtolof,1 it
was t11At of pa °d to offer lake access t the ad of ninq I of sgridin r:c]r=rr}
yr°(
oipceiv
q,
Ome conorthfrpensdt(I(m,. He indicated the
pi. opcts'd; c'a(r eht 4,J. 0 1 C A S V3 k propertyk* 1. e R
ro st Lricksorc, 2520 West Medicine Lake Drive,, stated fie
was cornu ,nc d about. the, proposed drainage- however after
F
r vI winq tlu proposal.. his concern were a i v at dR
herrn Cdtdher f Luadqren t5rothem Construct ton Comr arty,
stated that his oonct°ra is that if a public road Is
constructed along the north of tN,* suh,* ofrhop art ,, thc,
adjoining Chippewa Trails., lots would have double street
frontage. f1r. Hedlund explainedd tart the proposal calls for
a dive tc he ionated dpprOXIMdteJy 10 feet froM the
property 11,te.
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August 18, 19i
Chdtz"wo:t' att Y.
MOTION y` Commissiorter Plufkaj, seconded °.a tmissioner
Stulbt#rq to takv ion on etitiolt-r
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MOTION by Commissioner Wirfe., seconded by Commissioner Plufka RECOMWNDATION C
to rvvwimend approval ur the proposed pre l trtatary plat and
ryyic bubj t cpp y
thej jGttt:j II he staff A t t tay}fverl
xt$
t with
ye # yv yco,,
c
y y3dR ir r iyi to a J' { 1c $* v6m Ei fi.dkb k R I t6 i 4A prop rat +r qa
cuments, approved by the City., be filed tth the plat to
provide pvrpetudl mdintenartue. of Private cfrttves and ut tl i tv
f.ttte ; and, adding "radittat# number W, aPPru-Orta the
vdridflue5 as to lot width _attd frcaadge unto ,, Pu *#jte road
ctmmrsst tWr Wire e° .fatstQcr that the basis for the rye otmerl-
dat Curt it, that the t,tftu rapiiy is taiusud arta it *s not
re,asottab e to rtYqutre suhstatttiaf fifftnq oF the property.
mt.s$iorte4r Plufka stat-ed that, in ord&r to develop the
property prrr the Ordt anee -evctvl r cme ts, substantia di stur-
hatWC to the site would he r-egvi x ed. The two a terrtatiV s
re.v ewe for offering a Public street are not re;ascrrtah.fe rte,
quirert tats. Commis,: oner Wire stated that to require a
publics street for three d inq units Inas unreas ria le,
Chairwoman krasx t l cru ,stat rpt that she a reed with the staff
reettrt tef t ac rt for deferrztf for redesr rt as it eppear5 teat
the propob,il Is, not the east poss ibleffor the site.
flute. 4 ANes, Cummts4loner Steiqerwald and Chatrwc art
as ,fiuu, U0. COMW r Magnus ahs tit. NOTION carried, VOI
A reaeMess w,,ts gal ,f vd at "-,05 P.M. and the me et i nq reconvened
at r 17 P.M. RECESS
tha: rwwar.t Vas-t,.l ttkr ltttrucfueed the reqv st submitted, o
40mdrt Homes* Irte . for Pref fmittar Plat, states f ldn, iKA HOWS, Imo,
f`ond" t io;tai Use Permit ar>d Var ,attexeh for Bed-f" rd Pond". It PRELIMINARY, FLAT
was requested that staff rev t r °iwheAugust , 196", ` staff SITE, PLAN CO ITTGRAL
repov Stdff r t lee t h f t tur ut` Thr- "Sohl he's USE Pf.-RK- ` AND
a viuod Adtft t tort## ` 741 Fitial plat avid e rtt r a eI far r# I ;
It wawX,)!ai ; that i t e i'i; s dOirs•
Xeltt of the projoct was a prove it, h v _v -r,I
it'* ' M -it id not Commence" At
thlu t Ime, ` ehmia t mome ne . desires to develop "Plhdse,
aW UP of tht, approvv eonc e t. with 108 1 -mite rathe
th is the appm ed 2,15 remaininq- it Sta `f explained
that the dvv(v * p . fit tj i ii c tea a etc rist
KaflrWW Unit Development, however, due to the Size as
ndturai t yri oln the pr,(A doe not at'd tie Planned
bti tc°vtl pmefi c-rlte ; and is Ptroposed as a C- nve t bona
Staff suggested that the CunMission should dz sc: : the
proposed variance involving private roads, plattinq arra l-
ba_ks Staf f NPIAlilmd Lhat the pcAlitioner pr'opuzes to
ct,at,e individual lots fort --dell duplex !itru turk at this
t i c! nd po-t eofi.truetlort of t h x dwelling units, art
a -b i 1 t but;vel at'd lot \M.1 sloe would be proposed In order
to cc° te indiiv.d ai unit lots. Staff recvmtwnds Vat a
b ldnkc°til t,' l t l ai t the- quitit l of d
t , orate tht, ludivid a a cvi bt approved - f It is deter-
minej that the proposed platting approach i 4ppropi,3te*
Stiff expressed -cone _ n about the la,:k of 1,1nd,!iedpiml and
bufierinq providingtransIit ltm, between th .ibjeet proper -
Ly and tht, adjacent sitiqle faafly residerims to the South
aitd West.
St f f outfitted t h -ht ary ' t ht existinq 20 foot private
drive ed.rre k'flt: dIKIN the west property line, whieb is t
provide aeeto three, adjoining roc ,4m i ss. The acct t,jai
dr arc: ay to -semlee thelots was corm Cruet Oast'- i v
OUtyid(= f th( ,0 t edSeMnt Staff r_ ,, .. teri that,
the situation tic, resolved prior 'td f"feel plattin f thj
e pet , This can bt decomplished to it er a new drive
cloa4t rated within the foot cdserrl at, or a new easyme It
be vztcabliMied t usver the xi t roc drive.
Chd1rt#,umd11 Vasillou opvn ,,d the Puma.a i tf
Robert Lno. 179-1 13th Avenue i art hj explained oat
new rete dent; fit Plymouth,. Mr. Dio explalrted that It is his
1111011 t,tlat the t'oje t propose.5 a d(nt-i ter which it, not
n i. t. "t W-ith tfie general ar-,a, Mr. tq<no questioned
whetheradcqwatt. ' J)ufft, was beJog provided to the
adjacent,Jdjacent ewoperti ..
Parc 230
ti i nut Cs
u;ust 18, 1962
fdrdenbergh, 18025 D 12th Avtoue, North, Inquired how
t1i a prcject Is served by sanitdry.we n too sew(r.
a 'tt Andv `600 ach as Homes, Ac*11 reviewed the proposed
1110 1-1,04 l dtllt l f Althdt catchh as gas are Prov id d
Wi theft the. prtposcd private roads o Peri n too ". ewer con-
fe t.1 1 tO the ,City ; stems =4 cxplained that san tal,-
4eger nro-vUl d from 011w Lana, 7he n rthivr t overt area
of the property went, drains intothe adjacent r n
Wo coat itiuv to do
drd,-,ibt r h expressed concern, aboLlt prorctlrj()the
c} sting pondf and l QuI ° d it it could be add that a
permit be approved by the Department of Natural Resources,
it oat Indi gat :d that the Department of Natural R s !Ir es
haJ bet -,ft 0untact. d by Ms. Hdrd nbergh and that they- arc wil-
ling
il-
ng tO Anslut the developer in their propose denly. It
w0b Wtud that the State Shore and Munagemept requiations
ars not aPPlickle In this Stu t on. The A ty does have
r at u!as. that address the location f buildings with
respect tcs h1oh watel at s
halr umian VdAllou rgo1r,d as to the t of the
De arMent of Natural Rpsoukes. staff explainei that if
Deeded, the Mkophaha Watershed DistKut could coorolh t
10 the Department of Natural ticsources. " However, this
PrOPO4al does not 4pt°ciflcally require a permit from the
NP.
Ms. fldrdenberqh expressedconee n about the fertilizer con-
tent Of rdi to water Into the pond.
tPc §. Polleyf 17720 13th venue tH r , tli!! e.d the re re e -
tativ"t f Achttdh Names, I c. for meetinq with the iqh-
rhood 1 V1- P01leY AcKat d that his Main convern i
pro:viding ao adequate buffer zoite to the adjacent s1nql(-
tdmilydw0 Uvqs.
tic-, comy ented on the neiqlbb-orhoOd MetIng discussion and
uod rst nding rc9rding the use of natural veq(,tation al rub
t,h uth properly lieu. W was, concernted that the 25 feet
of set6ank might not be adejuate.jHe also t ed concern
about the draiPage plan alid the south arra,
Anderson, echmpff , Inc., expreystd concern than`
there Is not very Uvich Wating VVqCtatIofJ to ds,%lst in prop
df erg a buff1r.ht pet i t, ipner too* preposes to ellmi6ate
the limited natural ve,t t`rgrt and provide new plant Betts to
provide the wAsit dr.. fir. flolley 101catod that he would
10 to meet a Art with the P WI T11,t i to dl scup s t o-'. trans-
it W; a"d would I f ke n tot a xomal for ve r(ir en
trvv * Mr* ktdcrsOa noted tont` it Is. the petitioner's
dV * IrV to Gadd dnt I vg! and bem behind the x t nthho-. Mr. Anderson r ° uvx teff that this be dIset:ssPd orlor
to d f11141 AJ application belnq submitted.
a'-,wvaggert , 17710 Ot h Avenue tlorth, stet d that he did
t` tad'v arab =mOtts as Ills tonctrns had already been
Glenn Swain, 18015 `oun t y Road 6, stattd that fats was r pre-
tent n his then-Ire-law who resides at 18025, W C. FW
f,i t cheI I- Mr. Swain Inquiredhow the jw9poxed utilities
wuuld he extended acro,4 ht5 father-in-law'sproperty which
4 f utdt cd to the seat of ` the subject properzy. ha'rw at)
Vasillou, explained that thin was a mf aarrderst ndIn , that
utilities wete being provided for Olive_ Ldne atw loth vv€ue
North. Commissioner Plufka explained that only the open
space arca in the northwest corner Of the f t e would drain
hto tilt: pored to the east, Pic rt; o,-d de 1,JMX1A area of:
t.hc property would drain through a 5tOrm 5evor system.
Mr,* Swan dl sc d the existing 5ti?v,.,it°ainage yyyt em promj
the surrounding areas Into the pored to the ed4t of the sub-
Ject property, A concern was expressed that the I*nd has
filled lit over the year , and fern Swain requested that
taus_ rlone take into nsid rat ion the drainage concerns He
rc c t tv4 the history of his concerns and suqoested that the
City may not have prorsad certain acdons direct (f by the
l0urt, following 1,11tigation, he Initiated.
Chairwumah Vasiliou yuqgestyd That Mr. Swain contact MayorrDavenportestordertofurtherinvestigate, tuft°, Swat nIs,
ncerra of improvtments that were to be We by the Cit
with respect to tht: fr :jtt tu the east of the subJect
rvpurty. {
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Planning COMM'$
August 1, 1982
Mary Ann Swairj 1 15 County Road 61stated several concerns
regarding runoff, drainage of f`e'rtilizers, pesticides, n
eneral e;ffec ts on the adj acs nt pond. Ms. Swam expressed
co c: errs about put errt l al effects that could occur to the
P iad:, lucat ed downstream. She req jested that the -Cur rrdsslurr
consider the. jj)tent X41 Impact on traffic, not e levfj, and
the exl`t i n sef ul systems.
halrwumaraVdsillou explained that the school d strlttts
review the population ' °t i n acrid =gT;uwt h prujept f drys
310tually to address adequate school ea ael tyx She suc ges ed
that, a ;Neighborhood Task force be developed to address such
concernsccans s'' pond dralitag , and the utilization of fertiliz-
rs,
red ssioner Wire explained that they Ed l ricer i nq Department
c Jews eros ort voritrol 'methods with the review of final
Plans and plat applications. John Andcrsoa, Zachmart Nom 5,
lra $ Cxp.lal'ned that fencing and hay bales would be used atM? rfimum 1A under tv: prevent ; Ampa tLL ing the porid.
Dick Williat 1315 Penny Laaer discussed the history of theSvhie-be's Oakwood Ad ltl*n from l9,` through 1 , r Il—
liams expressed concern that the prkevlous approval directed
acrd required eertain landscaping asurc-,- to be taken. How
every these- °measures have not been P,*ov`ided
Commissioner Plu fka, inquired why this would occur. Staf f
explained that a Performance A reejm wx was lentered Into by
the fee o r,e r of the property for Phase 1. and staid" Would
fivestxgatc whether any financial quarantee: remains. As
Phage 11 was reviewed for the same dIve.l aper, more direction
was provided for add t.ional landscape measures in Phase 1
t hese were riot realized because the development did not, com-
ftlice. However, the City cannot require this developer to
complete im ro e:ment which were. approved as part: of the
fl. rpt phase of the Oakwood Addition deve ". ops nt .
Mr. Williams discussed, the, density and the intensi -ty of
development. 'His Qon ern Is that the proposal is :x°t rev'%l
l,nt rise and 16, located adjacent to singe family humus.
Mr, Williams requested that the development -occur ithout
any varlances from the Ordinance requirements. He reviewed
the; approved densities for the Chelsea Woods, Shenandoah,
acrd` Kimberly Meadows developments.
I
NQt 2_33
Planning OI i iinutes.
August 18, 196
Mr. William .stated that the earlier approved apartiwat site
plans provided a 150 ff. setback from the property ,litle to
the buildings as opposed to the now proposed 41 foot set
back. It was requested to see actual photoqraphu of a simi-
a pt7m u devil c inerrt . Mr. 'til if airs expressed concern
about he lack of a buffer,of ntl;i impact ora the CitiParkSystem, and indicated he p ett-r°red 'a transl iu r of
sirrglv Nmil units adjacentent t iti family units. The
ropo:5&d plan gal for the t wn1Nou$e units to b eat. d
clo4er to the e.x*s-%An( si-1le family home -,i rather thin beiri
close to the adjacent Extsting.apar mere bu ldi rd. He
suggested, a redesign of the project to relocate t,i -un i t
tia ctr res rf r•c internally to pro -vide a better but, ¢"er.
Mr- Williams regi,*s1tvd that the na:nt of the development be
changed ff,)m "BedfordPond" because thce title refers to the
adjdcerit pond which 1;s "private", and which should riot be
utilized by the future resl(t.,rrts of this development.
fir., Williams add e !s-ld the drlvc w4*-- as ent itut ti n, and
ndicat =d that '.t i l he dr. sc sst_i' air t>r ` h, ,e f,,!t,it icner. He
dial riot feel there was a "tresPd-Ss" it sup - fig `recited the
history of the arierrd d access, and hC, su q sted W. Shlebe
never ' rformed as required.
fir i.l.ilamis xprisled concern about proposed 'storm sewer
systems, It was r dt . that insulation material from the
tl<*woad School site had dr i neo Irto the, ad pent pond.
In summary, lir. il.liar: ,-, requested that the `ummission
cures: ctr th h intensity of the development- its impact on
13thAvenuv North arid Peorly Lane* the park system* the
transition of urkitsf and, requested that the 'design btu
further irrv:.tAl atedr'
Chairwoman Vast"ou explained ` that the Pt rk arra Recreation
Departs rpt had r comme tided, that park dedication be satisfied
by QdSV fees# 1*n-lieu of land dedication.
The petitioner indicated, that slides w ere available of
t ical developments whit were reviewed with the ` mis4_
siurr. also,_ a doss sect: Torr of the Ale was discussed.
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Planning -Commission Minutes
August 1, 1982
r Polley requested that the petitioner b requir }(1,to
state it) wrltireq a commitment to lands aping. The r-,pv cd
setbdeks.were reviewed.
W. H. Wlllldms,,M5 Peony Lane, stated that this was bis
third or ourth titte bore the PIdnoinq Commission to
I- y l w d v lopvIvot proposals for this property,. Mr.
Williams exprezised concern about the d vk opment proposal
Including varala-ices,and .indicated that the development
Jiuld occur without them. He requested that the -unit
sttticturt-, be located closer to the existing a artax-,=nts'to
he a4t, rather than to the adjacentent: Isinglefamily units.
rw William stand his othr:r t otic rns have ;bcen disc sse .
Bial. 3r., 1325eonv- Larjr, r eque0 ed thRjt the
om iss carp corns. e r the, density'of the `-rs,lit structures as
they fact. twhc; d ac,nt oridi` rt,,,questcd that the multi i
urli.ts bt, kept (text W rn," t iple units; ands locate the
du axe,next to tt%e s1figle family resit roc He requested
that the mama "Bedford Pond" bechanged as It impl r cs access
rights to the adjacent pond., Cortc rn was expressed about
the proposed setbacks' and proposed- varlan(ls.
Noel Davis, 1360 Rattier Lane, stated that tie has been a
residt: nt for 6 years and is coneettied about the proposed
drainag e. Mr. -dvis; x ialfle t _,at h is an c oiln-r cud
rviat d that the resident had b vti assured many tineas that
there! would be no drdi nage problems for This area. However,
t ; pears that the. Imperial Mlls, Oakwood School area, and
adjacent property drairt into thi x pend, Mr. Davis recti, ested
that either they developer fndlor the City bcco e;s,Ix risible
for &Q1slons belog made' so 'that' the; assurances will be
realized,
Mr. Swain expre6sed concern ttiat hi- fat her-z n- l dw's proper-
ty is "landlocked') and Inquired what he should do. ter.
Polley 'suggested that tile COmmIsslon, visit the KimberlyHadowsdcv1. pm nt on County, Bead 4 airic highway 1401, in
order to get a fecl for p(.atcntial Impact of a large number
of children and the need to control p r i nq of recreation
vehicles. K5. Hdrjenbergh rt-quested that at least ars 80 to
100 foot nat r l area be left arovad the Northwest boundary
toprotect the pnd#
uhn Anderson, Zachman Homes,nc . , reviewed that temporaryy
fencing would be. used for erosion control and explained that
a Homeowners Association for the project would be responsi-
ble
e pons -
ble for the maintenance of the common areas,
Pd( w 235
planning, ommis Loll Mir ufes
August 18, 1982
Chairwoman Vasillou closed the Public Baring.,
M)TIOl by Commissioner Stulberqj seconded by Commissioner
Wire to takck action Orr this pe't t ion, 6 Ayes,, C mmissr nerMagnusab,*ey,.t. MOTION carrlvd.
Cwmis$10ner Steigerwald inqui.r cd about the setback to the
most n rthe}w building was frOm, theyia-o-w. t ff
explal.rted ghat all of buildings either met, or exceededd
the flr l narv(.e requirement t the property line; boundaries.
omsrrzssiunerto i e.#rwald l s(uss.ed the _ln e rsr tv f ,
t, jje and stated that he thought theme might *
bet
bei a better
dvvelopment, plan.
f')lufW stat-d he felt the re-asuns for the
varlart t ,, asd private roads as proposcd, were due to the
irrtvrrs t y or the devvlop gent de i rt. Commissioner Plufka
su e:,ted that the space between the pr e ty lr e end they
ur i t s be lacrvased,,
The omml ss on di e sled appropriateoprrate bundi rig requirements
for landscaping and bufferinq to Insure completion of
lr pruv,° eat .. Chairwoman as l l aou explained that until the
site is developed, such Improvements will not occur. Com-
missioner
m-
misigner ire z,4ugge t ecf that all land c:a l r; and of f'e ri nq
f,,.x,,. % ..,.
J
a l on of . , r i i. 3. .3. Ue-X l npm `dt of the
site.
t f f" e pLilned that theyi ty ha$ learned a ekr time through
expedience, abet the probite of i dei a to _ ondlnrt re-
quirements. Staff explained that recently, further asures
have been taken to require specific fIndnelal au rant,ees for
approved site improvement ,
Commissioner Wire, explained t the adjacent property Owner+s, that it wds his opinion the proposed development is o1ol,t,
desirable than the locatlun of a lire a ar°tmnt complex
which could.fin on this R`-4 zoned land.' He explained that
he 'thought the density problemi could be resolved if the
unit structures were located more Centrally with more
transition to the existing units.
140TION by Commissioner , tul.ber , seconded by Commissioner RECOMWNDATION
tie enrwa,ld to defer the application $ufamltted by Lachman
Nom", Inc. for Prell,mlinary Plat, Site Plan, Conditional
Use Permlit and 1 arlaitees for 1160ford Pond", for redesign;
with d1r*eet lon to reduce the ' Intensity due to, vary anew;
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P11"anning Commission 'Minutes
August. 1, 11,
submit a specific berm and landscape plan add- ,,sjnq marc# RECOMW-N SAT IONffetiVetramstion ."o tbe} adjacent, sr.riple family homes to CO TIDthesouthandwest: 5ubmr t ars erosion control plarr# submit
measures to rrtr Z l,he future occupants fr(xn encro,,chrrrq
onto the adjacent pund, arid, reloata the n-rtrrrt bur dims
Interna,',' afi€ o thv 3a t with thec proposed duplex ult t
near the ad a(,ent sjrr lc, fai r l y areas.
TION to amend by Commissioner Wire, seconded by Cavi ls_ IA NDKN
s.roner Plufkd to ctiarrc1e the name of the development by e,lim— lrldtincg the ward '`Pond"11 and, Conside, establr.shi ntf u err-
arrts to preserve the open area in the northwest corner In
its matr°al state.
Cm- Miss iorter Wire added that ,.staff should confirm, if the
adjacentent orid Is part of the Cray, storm wat:erold nq pond
draindg fi system, and to cl.arl fv if Mr.Swain's fat her-i rt-. aw
has a "landlocked" parce, of ,property, Commission.,, tul-
ber added that staff should verify whether the City has. a,,
orp0idlnqcourtorder,, direction ford mpru eme ts
Vote cr r the Amendment, Ayeso Commissioner Magnus VOTE pNy Tabscrrt , MOTION carried,
Va crit the Basic MOTION orrice amended, Ayes. Commissioner VOTE. ON MAIN MOTIONMagnus4scnt . MOTIM carded,
MOTIONby Commis ioner Wire, seec nd(l b Commissioner l f`ka OTIO
to contiflue the P011c Hearinq at the next consideration of
the application Arid to repot r e the property owners present
at this meeting. Vote, 6 Ayes. MOTION carried. VOTE
Ch,dirwomdre Vasiliou introduced the petition for a Prelxmin-
I
UNDGREN BROTHERS
ar°y flat and Variance cons i st l nq of 15 l of s for dowel opment CONSTMICTION CO.
with single family detached residential units located north PRELIMINARY PLATofKraetzfake, south of 24th Avenue North. Review .if the AHD VARIANCE "KRAET7Augustlfl, 1962 stof%f report was walved, LAKE POINTE" 2045
Cha Irw m rr ' as,iliou recognizedzed r. Peter Pf,laum and Mr,
h ;rm C ldberR, and o cried the Publie(3 4rin .
hr is Martlin, Z200 Nally Lane, trierrked the petitioner for
hoIding a neIghburho d meetlrV to explain the proposal.
Mr. Martin inquired why the d tvelopment access would not be
provided from the south existing private road, and stated
oppos.1tion to arty proposed monument si rr:,
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Planning Commission Minutes
August 16, 198Z
Rick Sathre, Sat hr€-Ber ul t, Inc.) engineer for the
Petitioner, explained that, the access was not: prov lded from
the. 6c,,uth because that is a current private easement access'
and t"AU petitioner has no e-pa1 basis to prdvlde public
r ht- of -way 111 this location. A road from; he south enc uld
be 100 t d 00 elose to the fake hc r f and could Impact thelakeer ,I orrment € l " The proposal retains, all impacts, from
the development wathin the'subject property. Staf r stated
r,onc;urrence w! t h Mr. Sat tyre's comment
Mr. Martin expressed concern about possible roade s-
r k.
g .
e also inquired about, coda t ttanCe Of the propos%d
t.
Cholz'womarr Vasillou Ire aired if ter. Martha had seen exIstinq
monut ent signs for other Lundgren Brothers onstruct`ion'Co.
de'vt cspr 'rat Projects. Mrs Martin Indicated he had.
DOUQ, InIan, 17305 24th Avenue North, cone.urred, with tory
Martin's thank!,, to the clevAopor for the neighborhood
Meeting* and Indicated fie did no have ars Opp
I
osition ro
me rrumc rat signage. Mr. Iralara stated that he was supportive
of the proposal.
Peter Pflau a, fund ren Brothers Construction Co., stated
that a ° slgra for the eleveloP met, had neat been propos-0' at
this tine, 11raweve , Otte would be submitted With the final
plat application*
Rick athref Engjnen!rt explained that a, Homeowners Asso-el a-
t "ora Would to developed and would be responsible for the
mdIr"tellancke- of O tlot A which Is preft rred by the pet.ition-
vr,: rather than complying with the engineer's s pgest ion ;of
ccmbirainq Out,lot A with Lot qtr. Sathre indicated the
Petitioner desires to. address this further with the final
Plat ap l..leatacara, Staff explained the Lnqineerls Memorandum
reemmended nevi J rc o6risistent with the City approvals, of
similar developments,
Chairwoman V45111ou closed the Public Hearinq. ffEARTNO CLOSED
MOTION by COmMiSsioner Plu€ka, ecoraded by Cammissiotter MOTION TO TAKE ACTIONPaubatotaeaetioncrrthis, petition, 6 Aves.
Comm! issl otter Magnus absent. MOTION carried.
AWOURNWNT The meetifiq adjourried at 11.-40 #fit.
PLMNItC COMMISSION RLCOMWNDATION FOR Ati UST 18, 1962 -RECOMMENDATIONATT A
PLANNIM COMMISSION RECOMWNDATIONS FOP SEPTaiBER181 1982
APPROIVING PRLLIMIWARY PAR PLAT )" COSTI L- USS PrRMI T AWI T , AND CONSIMRATInR OF
WONING'AND VARIANCE FOR ZACHMAN H%iLSI INC FOR "FOX bl THIRD ADDITION" wUn` ,44- l
A-1
WHLRY: aj,
yZdt
ttimdrt Homes, Inc. lids requested approval
hof
Pr limirtary{yam
ri , t.
onditl arwl Use Permit Amet Jit k 5 3}e R#$--rati!o RTR F iezoiRIn f6 km futture
x development) 111 trie to - (medium density multiple residence) District
or "Foy, Glen Third Addition" consisting of 20 der ilex units, 15 single family dwel,livigs
and orf xlstlnq, sing1v f`a ll dwelling with the ' rite'ricarr WWI 6-1 locate
5outheast of Dallas Lane drill ftrnbrook Lane» and
WHERLAS, e Pidrittisiq Consmitsioll lids consideree the request ul l uwl rr a duly calledPublicWaritiqa0hasrecommenddapproval
W, T EMORE, 13kIT HERLBY RESOLVED BY THL CITY COUNCIL a THE C17Y OF PLYMOr Tl11
MINNESOTA, , teat It sbodW grid her,eby does approve a Preliminary Plan/Plat, Conditional
U ex Pvrmit Amendment and Vdrianees for 7achman Homes, Inn* for '' cap len Third
Addi t ioit" (MPUD -1 con --A tin o upl x units, 15 single family dwelllnqs, and one
exi 1 rrq siliqle rem l l y d,,wt-lI1nq,, subject to the fol owl n conditions - 141
I omplla r ith the It nql is 'rle r r ndum.
2. Rexv 1 uf all deed or dying trees from the property at they ownvrls exwnsv.
3. No Building 'Permits, shell bre issued until municipal sewer and water area
physically available to the sites.
p Payment of park dedication lees -In -lieu of dedication in accordance with
the Dvdication Policy in -e"feed° a t tjjtime of f a la rrq the final, Plat`s
5. Street names shall compl1i with the City StreetNaminq
SystI
em.
6. Rezoning'shall be finalized, with filnq of the Final Plat.
7. No BuIldIng Permlts shall be Issued until the Pinel flat is filed and
recorded with Hennepin Ct,)unty.
8,
1
Yard cktb ck5 shall be per the staff dated and stamped approved PLID Plea*
9.Upon approval of the Preliminary Plan/Plat, the Zoning Mali boundary forMPU1skllbedmentoincludeMunsonunsnp otx,,rt .
k Approval shall include t'he lot divisions for the t -unit dwel11 riqs
subject to approval by the City Engineer bu shall review submitted
as -built surveyss of the constructed units which 1nd1a the legal
descriptions, acid who shall determine what, if an f adjcu t merits and
levy5 are neot-Asary relative to assessments, prior to filing the
divisions with the Counvy.
11* Approval is subject to Applicable unditidns of the hesolutions and
Development Contracts Your, the "rat ion, MPhil".
PIANG COMMISSION RECOMWMAT IONS VOR A V T' t 1982
CO .N A i
INMGORECOMMENDATION'S'QP, AUGUST M, 198-2.
RECOMMENDATION
AT Afl' MCL FOR JERRY UZ4.LLL FOR %YNt&TTf: MRIE, ADDITION
REAS, 3erry Uzzell 1'4S rCqut st d aPProval of a Preliminary Plat ana gar ahc for0dogesiteforthree, i rq ; family resl:intlfal lots kcat m In the h(( a.t comeOftervertueNorteanddic' ne Lakk, Drive- and,
HERLAS, the rtnin `(_) •onald rets the r eS fol i e a ulv l ledbHeVfearinqand ' r r dc. pprp a t
HO THLRMORE, a, T EEL V oyT a z ' THE CITY % P y UTH. t"IN14LSOTA, Viat it should arid herebydoes approve a pr4el, I m nary play for Jer IGforthrveresidential _ of t, loc,4ted it, the soot tie s t rn r' of Ztq1I 4,K.,nueNorthandeastMedicineDriversubjecttothefolt i q Conditions:
a Ivi hr t11V C Engineerneer" s Memorandum.
Rcmova I Of a II der -1 or d * n(I trees frow he property at the owner's experts-.
3 Ho Building Ottr lts shall bt, Issued Until municipal sewer and water are
hv-c"Al l a-va,111--able to t t 1te.
k Pdyment (if park dedication fees -in -lieu of dedjc.q*earl .r -i ai ccordnce with the
erilei4tiotl policy In effect at the, time of filing Final Plat.
COmPlidnef, with 'Poliey, Resoltition No. 79-80 r Bard req mirtimum floor
elevations for new str ture$ in SuladivIslonSL adjacent to or contain-
1119arty open sitorm. water + ra1na e facility.
NO 8,111ding p r i , shall be issued until 10* final flat is f l d and
recorded witti H rin p1to County,
No yard setbacks are grantr-d or implied.
ReJT1sa'Va1 of existing strut es, at the develop r is expense.,
The private drive d0 e ses to West Medicine Lake Road be Consolidated
to fte shared ,drive for the throe lots. Appropriate- legal documents
approved by the Citi`, iind to be approve by the City Attorney arid, filedtlathefinalPlatestablishingtheshared "blue, and to provide per-
petual Maintenan e of private drives and agility iine5.,
10. Approval of variances as to lot width and frontuee,' onto a p b l iad.
PLANIHIM 'COMMISSION RECOMWNDAT1WHISFOR AUG1JST 18,
REQMWz DATIO
APPROVING CE `i€ii
C- FOR "KRALTZ LAKE POINTE" LCAT NORTH f KRAETZ LAVE, SOUTH OF 74TH AVENUE NORTH,
02045)
iftRLASt LundgrenBrother's, o t -r ion `o ny,9ac. has requested 'approval of
Preiimirra y Fiat for fifteen lots for development Of s m e family detached residential
ri s; arld l
VVHLRLASf theliar rir `om€€j sio c r:sider thf, re -4est foiiewinc a duly aws V
Public Hearing dud has recommended approval,
NOW, THLRtF--ORLj,, BL IT HILREBY RALSOLVED BY THE i YUNC'IL THE CITY O P Y OUT41,
i A, that it should acid hereby does approve Pr imi'ta-vfiat and variances for
fifteen siligle family lets to be non a " r e x Lake Pointe,, located north, of Kraetz
make, i south of 24th Avenue, North,subject to the followlrt-q conditions*.
OMIlan e with the !, t r glneerl's t4ewrandum.
ltctnoval of all der#4d Or dltq trees from the property at the owners experse.
t dtit4 Der,.-ts. shall be issued until mutt,: i ptlall set&er and water uaree,
p h- y."Ically available to the site .
Paym+-irt Of Pay wk dedication fees-in-l.' ees-arc- 1. Pu ofdedication In accordance .i t h tie
Dedication Polloy in effect ' at the tip of f1lirg Final Plata
1L ly the y I eet Rami ng. yst m oaf r
rd Avenuee Nor4th"..
6. Complianee with o is\., Resolut.ion, No. 7..,80 regarding minimum floor elevations
for new structures in subdivisions adjacent to or containinq any open sterm
water ' dtaina e faci:l.ity.
7. No liui l di nq Permits shall be issued rpt i l the Final P of,3 filed and recorded
with Hevnepinn County.
6. No y ` d s t ao s are granted or implied.
1hv Final, Plat application !hail. Include, request ' to vacate: the exist I nq
right-of-wayay acrd drainage arid utility easements, for {lut i st A and Lots .
7, and 6, Block 11 Sunny Acres Third Addition.,,
10. The e isti'ricg drive to the exisLinq sirx.le Family dwelling shil e eiim
mated and a new access shall be, provided to the proposed, public road.
11. The existing accessory structure to be used In lieu or a construction trailer
shall ` ht- used until 85 percent, of the property is developed.. or three years,
Which aver* occurs first
U. Approval of the variance i'ar, the allowed maxi niti cul --dei ,lee .lenc th of 500
fe t and public road ecceas of 80 feet.