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CITY OF PLYMOUTH
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r-egular meeting of the "Vh P 'ann n r on, waAA, cal ped to order inhtim7+,30 P.M.Chair-.,%nan Vasilicu.
MENS PRESENT.- Chairwoman Vase liou,o -mission rs, Wrr N a n s,
ha, Steigerwald and Stulberg.
STAFF PRESENT-. Community Development DirectAr Blair Tre!,11ere
COMMJnitY Development Coordinator, Sara MlcConn
PI a nin Secretary, Grace Wineman
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Y'onoWOnerMagnus**y Commissioner y R'we y+ y +t t,} `¢ i Ar?, Wire4* 4a ih F ?`i.a the
n as submitted. Ayes,, CoMMissioner Stulberqasa,r.Y Motion carried.
PUERLIC HEARING
Cha i rwo ah Vasiliou introduced the Item oil the agenda ROBERT MIDDLEMISTandasPdstaff, o:review the a lioa ion stated OtlERRY MIDDLEMISTItthatlegalnoticehasbeenpublishednthilegalnewsyr T and That property droners w hn 500 have been nod* `
StaFf reviewed the City otrrro roo err given o TI. € Petitioner, from aSEhoary6, 1982 Staff Report. PERMIT X81055)
a i r'WoMM Vas l o asked whether all criteria 0'0 the Counci 1. direction have
tieen .het by the Petitioner and staff Confirmed that the requirements havebeenin.et.
Chairwoman Vasillou opened the Public Hearing end in rodviced the firstspeakerMr. hno GrImsrud, 102.5 31st Avenue North, who stated his concern about theThoroughfareGuidePlandiscussedahiCodnormootingstaffdtheor(op r owners 3n the area aro concerned that the CitiCo;e so 1-
seew wilVV'nq to seek any al orna v,s the Plan with regard o this d v o .- n= . Mr. rit rsrud asked if °the o ss ori coed r d o s n d r eta * the, cul-de-sac.
ai rran nasi l'oo ;stated that the ansson is, an -,advisory body, and thattheCityCo11makesthefinaldecisions.
Staff stated that the Thoroughfare Gulch Plan has been p riod oa adjustedbecausesoconditionssuchhatorah, aid soil conditionswhichnecessitateachangeinroadinmen , In this case, the City plannedthisroadalignmentwhichisfeasib'Ve is it is shown on the Thoroughfare GuidePlan. Staff noted that the present al nm n represents a modification oftheoriginalplan f the early 1970's hlch the developers in the area requestedbeforeexistingdevelopmentstarted. The, City Council recently reaffirmed theadoptedplandorintheinitialconsiderationofthisproposalincludingnkrh6dr o d rr u .
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Mr. Grirasrud statod '.at 7eeiv n the cul-de-sac would rvean only a one block
inconvenience with Grafn7ic using Pilgrim Lane to the east, and that traffic
Mr. Rod We trurn IOn.O 31st Avenue North, stated his, concerns are a ndt the
34<e., and added that he does not feel the lot sizes are consistent with other
lots in the area,, but that the "compromise" is acceptable.,However,, he feel
strongly about the cul-de-sac,, in that curbs, gutters, and hydrants have
been installed here. He`tated he sees no need for;the new road to cut
through the cu ' -d -sac % Mr. Westrum asked wlret rer err. Middlemist , feels the
sarin"e concer,`o,, relative to the cul-de-sac.
Mr. Camen Vethe, 1021 t Avenue North, stated the sage concerns as the
other two streakers, but wants to bring out the fact Zohat the area in 1e t.. n
is crooded and "hilly". and a -road will eliminate sore trees. The Cul-de-sac
will make the lots yore desirable, and since there is no apparent need for a
road through here, eliminating the cul - e -sac makes no sense.
Mr. Alan ten r d, 30501 Quaker Larry north, that h unable tattend
the City Counc,11 meeting when thi ,plication was dl cup ;ed however, he stated
that the Thoroughfare Guide Plan ho" -1,d be looked at in a new l i ht by the
mission. He stated many present 16lmembers were former -Planning
Co mmissioners, who had input with the --went Thoroughfare Guide Plan.- thus
it is "hard for ; them to amend theirplan" a Mated the Council was aware
of the concerns of the property owner < ins the area., and knew %o that Mr.
iddie gist would like to ,keep the cul-de-sac within this development. He ihas
been "very isa pointed" with the City plans and the City Council'over the
years firth "lack of concern for neighborhood interests" and the "tra%e-it or -
leave -it" attitude. He stated he agrees with his neighbors and is opposed to
this plan.
Chairwoman Vasiliou introduced ter. Robert Middlernist, and asked him to com.nent
on the 'questions and comments from the speakers.
Mr' ober;tiddl`e List, 4140 1ximines Lane Northnted that the City Council
spent substantial tine on this proposed development because the Council wants
a good plan. He stated he world prefers lea in the cul-de-sac,, but the Council
directed that the Thoroughfare Guide Plan be followed and he will f0low their
recommendations and directions. Mr. Mldd7eirist stated that in regard to the
wooded , area `any trees that can be saved W7111 be saved",, he is very much in
favor of retaining as mangy t -flees as possible* He stated he now complies with
the Cite plans, and he does not want td delay the project with further amend-
ments.
hai rw pan Vas' l i ou asked 4f fir. I iddlemi st can approximate how manor trees will
have to be removed}
Mr,, Middlemist Mated that the area in question is lbw, and will need fill,,
so that the trees on the western border will be sacred, but the t,,train wi l l
necessitate some fill and therefore some tree removal
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January l 1982
ha i rwspan Vasiliou 0,,,ped the Public Hetaring.
MOTION by Commissioner Pauba, ascended by Commiissioner il' berg, to recommend
approval of an RPUD Prelin,%aryt1/Plan and ConditionalUse Permit for
a rt Middlemist for "Merry lo(.:ated at Pilorim Lane and 31st AvenuesubJecttothefollowingconditions-
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l. CO)"Pliance with the Engineer'Memorandum.
Park Dedication fees-iar-lieu of dedication with sheDedicationligyineffectatthetrioffilingtreeFinalPlat.
Removal of dead or dying trees r om the r rt r at the owner'sr'
expense.
4. Street na z . and numbers tO comply with the City's Street NaminqPolicy.
51. No buildingpermits shall be issued until m ni al serer and
water are physically available: to the
6. NO building Permits shall be issued until the Final Plat is filed and
recordedrded with Hennepin COunty.
Roll Call Vote. 6 ayes, T1 carrrd#
Commissionersa ha Wire and Magnus stated th at the Minutes sh l reflect '"theconcernsraisedbytheneighborsthistrl- and, they would favor a cul-de-sacstreet.
Chairwoman Vas'ilio r introduced the Hent T arr under New FOOD ENGINEERING CORP. s ki 'l and informed the Commissio6ers that the SITE PLAN
ner has wi thdr tA.r the application for this rpc in -670) because of changes to the plans.
NER BUSINESS
S HONEYWELL)
SITE PLANChar n Nasili rota d d the second itear under 1072Newsires% Reading of the January 6,, 1982 Staff
port was waived.
Comilsionr Matqnus asked about she service road that was discussed, previously, and whetherr hi soul be nstal l d
Staff stated the petitioner had approached the City Council and presented theirplanforaperimeterroaddobeinstalled. The Council approved the, plan, but cautioned that the setbacks' rrquir d by the Ordinance be adhered to. The road has been graded and installed, and will be improved as the site iimproved. Thera w r-, no questions or comments by r of the petitioner'
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MOTION by Commissioner Wires seconded by Commissioner Rauba recorrendinc
approval of a Site plans for Honeywell for an additional building
n their site located at 12001Highway ;-t and subject to the following'
conditions.
1. Comipliance with the Engineer's Memorandum.
The Parking lot berms shall be sodded
3. Submission of required financial <guarantee for completion of
the site 1inprovements termed for 24 -months.
4. Compliance with City Council'. Polies, Resolution. coo. 79-80
regarding minimum. floor elevations for new structures in
subdivisions or on sites adjacent to., or containing any open
storm water &,ainage facility.
Chairwoman Vasiliou introduced the final iVlm under New HAMS HAGEN HOMES
Business. The reading f the January 6. 1982 Staff "AMHURST' ARD ADD TI 1411
Report was: waived. RPUD FINAL PLAN/
PLT 79046
Commissioner Wire asked why staff concurs with the landscaping pan with
ice as many smaller trees versus fewer largerer trees.
staff stated that the landscaping plan satisfies the intent of the Landscape
Standards and Criteria of the Ordinance, r~eco n zing the scope of this
project and the single family residential character.
Chairwoman Vasiliou introduced Mr. Howard bunt, 17205 County Road 47, who
confirmed that each lot will` have trees, and there :are two trees per unit.
fie further stated his opinion that the financial guarantee should only
cover the minimum requirements of the Ordinance, rather than all landscaping, as an incentive to developers to propose quality,plans in excess of the ini-
aurrr criteria. He stated that landscaping is a selling point' for these Erni cs
so the developer will have a landscaping an that will greet' more than the
i ninsum requirements of the City.
Staff stated the petitioner's point can be considered as the Commission
considers Ordinance amendments clarifying ,the bonding requi regents .
Staff suggested that the- criteria could. beclarified as to defining "miulti-
residentiel developments". Chairwomanan Vas l io concurred, and stated that
if on review of the Ordinance, the minimum landscaping requirements' are
found not to be clear, the Ordinance should be changed.
Mr. Hent stated that his experience has shown that the larger trees ( /211
die out, and the smaller gees are more viable. He further stated that he
has talked with the Engineering Department regarding suer and water, and
they advised he will be able to build simultaneously with the inn;tai1ation
r f sewer and water.
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IL s n r Wire stated that if there wo;e no board of ZoningAdjustmentsens and
Appeals, it would l rt the opportunities for citizen participation in vario, s
functions of the City. He stated he has heard there are many people he wane
F to serve r City t ss ions and Boards. e stated that s Ids rti rr
a i is reasonable to have this Board, and that diing, away with the Board
C doing away, with opportune ti es for people to serve their community.
Chairwoman` a!i ieu commented M ha t if the Board is eliminated by the Council
staff's re m nda i ns are good.
Cornets rier ire stated he duesn i Leel it ii reasonable to h -- e varitance
requests at the sage time the Planning Commission reviews rc"alar applications,
and he feels it would be; difficuIrl for the Planninj Coximi5,10n to rrta i s i ncti is
o-mrti cion r genwra d stared -;';*hait was h i feel i rig the Commission would
reat each 71? i ion equitably.
commisOoner,stulberg stated6t,, it may he aµpeoblen, making recommendations
on variances for &Velopers versus vatiance recuests for homeowners, and that
the individual homeowner may nog understand wh, there could be a different
r eo mi nda inn fora seemingly identical variance request.
issioner Wire stated that the Board of Zoning Adjustments -and Appeals
saves a good purpose and really has more "clout" than the Planning pis =on,
ie*, a&ainistrative authcritv.
Mr. Howard Hum r g ested that the Board could La comprised of a " ixlf,
such -
as two Planning Cowl ss i ners and I.-hrea, cit . n -, and could meet an hour bofor
regular, Planning Commission meetings, S.*4milarly to the H.P.A.
t advisczj the Commission that City Councils waiting for "feedback" °from
the pr sent Chairman of the Board .of Z,)ning Adjvstnents and Appeals a's to his
feel i ns on to i s matter.
The Planning Commission concurred that the three citizen,, two Planning Commission
member Board of Zoning AdJustments and 'Appeals would be a feasible approach} and
that t — Chairperson should always: be a cit zee. Corr.-Istioner Pa ba c tmented
that the citizen Chair will have to be ver "stror.# to keep cite meeting Suing
Chairwoman asil'lo stated this subject could be pursued at the upcoming
Joint Meeti with the City Council.
Chairwoman usiliou discussed Planning Commission meeting dates,, it was determined
that the meetings would Continue to start at 7:30 PX The r bruary meetin
dates were sed: for Wtadnesday,;February 10, and February 24, 1982 The March
mieeti ng dais were set for March 17, and March 31,, 1982
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