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qtr t 26, 1981
The g dir rueet-ing of th,i Plymouth Planning `Coriuroission was callodorder
in the Council Chambers of the Plymouth City Center at 3400 Plymouth
8culevdrd aat 7.10 P.M. by Vice -Chairman Steigerwald.
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MEMBER USENT: Vice -Chairman t ri-taI, Commissioners Wire, Larson,'
Ibe g and Barron#
EMMEMSI NI Chai,,,wopian Vasili
ST R I II` Community DevelopmentDirector
Community O l nt Coordinator Sara AcOnn
Planning Secr t r. Grecs Idineman
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aapprove ; .
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Minutes of August 11, 1981. 4 Ayes, Commissioner Stulberg abstained.
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i bair nt g r: ald announced that the Rockford Square JOHN ;1cKELLIP
Fina' Plat wo0d be herd first to facilitate the first public NORMAU JARNES
aeari ng wI;.h is a site plan and conditional use permit for ROCKFORD SQUAME
bowliliq center, armisefaent gimes and r t rz!n lounge w't FINAL € LAT (81013)
is proposed to be pert` of the Rockford Square development.
The readingof theug .3t 17, 1981 staff report was waive!.; and
Vice -Chairman Stelgerwald asked staff to review the application*
Staff stated the final plat does conform to the City n' "` direction
with the approval of the preliminary, plat. Staff ` also iii t
out t% t the ire is dealing with two separateI i
ca ti er and tine bowling center site pl n an on ti n l use:
permit will be reviewed after the mm i n` r rn ti on r the
Rockford '$quare Final Plat#
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Vice -Chairman Steigerviald introduced Mr. > 'Rick atnr , representing Rockford
oar .Mr. Sathre stated he had read the staff report and bad no questions
r mments and did concur iitnthe report. He asked for any questions
fruva the oo kToners.
C rtril l n r 4r1i r asked about the location of an auto service center
which n ' ~Teak should back lfroy.i the main t roughfar (County
Road . fir.atnr .=ent d that it is important for this
type of businesso have good visibility. Commi t r Wire
stated he `it Iatnc the auto service center here is contrary
to, the guiding,. Mr,, Sathre stated he wnn `d nope that each site
plan would be reviewed on its herr merit and that If appearance
and location are not acceptable, changes could then be made.
Staff noted that the City `*Guncil had directed the preparation of
tra °tica r% ti analysis for this development, and it concluded
that the proposal by the petitioner will generate less traffic than
if it were developed with a level of allowed uses permitted by the
Ordnance. Con.uissioner Aire felt the traffic study should be. dis-
cussed along itn the nearing on th site plan and conditional use
p ryat for the bowling center*
MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Barron
to recommend approval of the final plat for "Rockford Square" subject
to the following conditions.*
1. Cf)mpl4,1VCe with the n inear" Meitiorandumk
2. Submittal of required utility and drainage a i-nntl% a
approved the City Engineer.
art Submittal of easements` and grading plans for approved
trail corridor; to include a 20 -ft., trail easement
along the aorto boundary of the property east of q than
I -ane acid a 20 -ft,. trail easement along the west side of
Nathan Lane*
4. Park Dedication policy requirements to be satisfied with
individual site development.
5. The entire landscarle and buffer ; plan he implementel a
submitted, a `pane of the plat development contract, not-
withstandinq the staging of actuala site plan 0peaent;
tree sizes smaller than the> Landscape Cr t ri m; niraum
size are approved in recognition of the substantial
nur, r -of plantings papa d.
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If theSi te Flan and Condi I l anal Use Permit ropos d
ucder Apelitati n No. 81042 is not approved, r is rant
implemented then Lots I and 2,Block I shall be combined
into a single lot.
7. Re-Ference to the approved General Development Plan
shall be filed with the title of the property in the
appropriate form approved by the City Attorney for
reference by prospective developers,, and` vin
4 Pit restaurants within` the proposed development shall
be Class I restaurants and shall be so designated n
the approved General Development Plan.
9. The final ` number of" curb cuts onto Nathan Large shat
be a function of the final site plan approval*
10. All diseased or Opad trees the property shall be
I removed ( the owner's expense.
1. Compliance with the pity policy, regarding Subdivisions,
and -vo l urrrre i s adjacent to or containing stomi
water holding facilities.
Y Individual Conditional Use Permits will be evaluatedon—
their merits at the time of site plan approval
Commissioner Wire r-ov a, amend condition number 5 to read that
landscape and buffer plans will neat etre City's mini mum standards
and requirements. Comm ss i n r Pauba seconded the amend r ht-.
Mr. Rick Sathrestated the intent of the r o s d ` landscape plan was
to place' as much materidl as they could to produce the most effective
buffer area. Changing the sizes of the materials could decrease the.
number of plantings.
Staff (=bmented on hproject's direct abutmentto the westerly resi-
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d ntial arae and that the petitioner has produced a substantial landscape
alar to answer, this concern. If City Council and the Commission conclude
that 6 ft., tress are needed to provide adequate buffering the
netitioner should, suhmft a revised landscape Oan
Commissioner Barron stated the landscape plan should comply with
Ordinance standards and requirements, and any revisions could be approved
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Commaissioner Larson stated the issue was 17evier plantings in exchange.
for aSr trees.
Mr. Sathre noted that; the adjacent residential development plans
love *banged since the preliminary plat was considered,, therefore,
there are different buffering needs+
Commissioner V.- r n askQd If the landscape l an exceeds the
n ,m r of plantings required in the Landscape Policy.
Staff advised that this landscape purr exceeds the quantities
which the Policy vi d require for a commercial site plano
The Policy does not set specifit standards for a special buffer
treatment such as this, the design is a judgment iliatter for the
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Commission as to vihat is ad a -e anu effective,
r m issioner Wire withdrew the amendment condition tiumber. 5,
and s l ed a MOTION d amend number o reflect the approval
f the landscape an as submitted v1 sinal l r diameter arses
in view of the substantial num r of trees.
dal a' l Vote. 6 ayes, MOTION carried*
Vice- hairm.a i rvi d ca"led for a gots on the MAI MOTION
once amended. Roll Call Vote. 6 Ayes, MOTION carried.
Vic—Chairman 'Steigerwald i tr du ed` the first item for public JFFFREY VITALS
rear1 n ,- fie explained that the Commission would novt ROD LANE$"
considering the conditional use permit and site plan SITE PLAN AND
applications for the proposed development, on Lot 1. Block 1. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
Rockford Square.
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reading of the August 18, 1981 staff report: w -waived, staff
reviewed the application and advised the Commission that fhe
bowling center is proposed to attached the proposed Rockford
u development,, Pthat U owner T's purchasing the land.
It was further p- to d that a bowling erater and commercial
recreation facili--,ies require a conditlanal use permit and the
restaurant as r ropes d is a permitted €ase. Staff commented that
the traffic teport contemplates, this _ type of development and the
con Ulsion, suggest that these uses would not, generate excessive
traffic .r !s area.
SlideF of the site were shown.
Cor ,dss` on r Wire commented on the traffic study, it was his feeling
the results of the study are reasonable, but do not address
ne time of day this traffic is generated and traffic generated
late at night such as at midnight and 1:00 A.M.
Vice -Chairman Stelgerwald introduced Mr. Jeffrey Vitale, the
petitioner. Mr.. Vitale stated that Rick Sathre,. Engineer
Mr. Baker, his architect, and his attorney are present to answer
any questions the Comission may have on the proposal. He further
explained hisproposal fora 32-lane',bowling center which r' l
i ncl d s a small lounge i seating for 16-1 rueople, an amuseraezt
game room, which ill be supervised,, and a Class I restaurant
Which will serve American and Italian food*
Mr. Vitale stated that he has talked Nvith, and listened to the
City Councll, ' the Commission and homeowner associations and he
fn>s they have answered the 1,soncerns, the neighborhoods and the
City' h vd raised. ate further stated, that the boviling, center
will be a 3 million dollar project.. tlr. Vitale assured those
present that he will be rrran ging and operating the facility
ins 1, that he also lives in the neighborhood and would not
low his business to be,detrimental to the area. He
stated that the hours of operation have not been set as yet-14
Mr. Vitale presented graphics, and noted that ll remove the
north entrance onto Nathan Lane as recommended the City Envineer.
lie pointed out the berming wbich will screen the facility frork
tyre adjacent re-sidential area and, in par~t itu a r, he bermfing
on "tifle south i l screen headlights from areas across County Road 9.
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Mr. Vital pain d his lighting plan r int ung out that ane I igrits
will not shine beyond his property lines. Ve is proposing
mercury vapor tames. fir. Vitale indica(d the landscape plan
meets tete City landscape criteria,
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Mr. Vitale explained the building layout, and further emphasized
that # , arrow r n /gam room will ,t;upervised. tie also pointed
out that the refuse/trash areas Ara enclosed.
Vice -Chairman g r d aslkedabout the distance of the trash,
enclosurefrom the front of the, building, i1r. itale stated this
eras designed mainly t ; serve thq restaurant and that
the distance is only about 100 ft.
CommissionerBart-on asked whet- er mere would be live entertainment#
Mr. Viltale stated this had been planned tit one dime, but because
of the concerns of the neighbors he chafiged his plans to enlarge
F raand nrarnrfn lounge. rs.;V r
Vice-Chairman Steigerwald opened the Public Hearing and recognized
Mr. Bogen Egg n, 9905 41st Avenue North, ,who introduced himself
as the Preident of the Middle East Hameown r's, Association.
eft i ti e fading of the residents f h s n gn r1- od that a
bowl -Ing alley is undesirable-, it has the potential to be a public
nuisance because it will generate too much t,.,laffic and at Baur
that will cause the most disturbance,- there is the probability
f police lntervention because of behavioral problems, and because
trash and debris 'rom this facility will be blown into siarr ound ng
neighroods- Further, he stated the nei ahb rb d i..' against
liquor being served s > dost Lo their homes. fie stated that tears
are ;many schools close to this area so that the game room would b
a prob I em.
IMr Eggers stated the neighbors want to see Rockford Square established a
a neighborhood shopping center as originally planned several years
ago. Since a` significant percentage of the h vil i rig oa ron s would
conqe frem outside the neighborhood,. it will grange tne cliaactor
of theneighborhood center and the Commission should consider this
in light ` of a pre,edent for fur uses»
Mr. Eggen. statea the mmi-;3sfon` shroud carefully consider the
Ordinance Conditional Use standards which h ' recited). The
neighbors ask that the conditional se: permit denied#
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Jean 11offord of 4235 9tuaker Lane north, commented she had bought
her home a year ago and she was very pleased with the 4 reasons'
Shopping Center and their o r of operaltion.She is opposed to
and Oat probletas with i type of business, may deflate her pro-
perty's value, She added that the viae frc 4,n € r window is an
Important part of tier home, and she -down " grant to face a
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Mr. Ed McDonald, 4270 Revere Lees North, stated he fe6s this
operation would be degrading to the neighborhoodd nd tie drat= the
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saes concerns as the other speakers.
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Fred Luckeroth, 4240 Quaker Lane North a d he represents the
homeowners across County Road 9 from the proposed dliev nt #
tie feel ` the City bias compromised earlier decisions on the
original plans for this property. The development will not
end in well with tie neighborhood -Cha°r are
Steigerviald asked Mr. Luckeroth how Arany homeowners he r re -,.'n F
Mr. Luckeroth estimatted 76, to 20 homeowners,
Teri Piperj 4135 Q4oker Lane North, stated when they bought
their horae, that thoy were aware of the development f the 4
Seasons o n Center and thty have been Impresses -Ith the
high quality of h shopping center,, She stated she was aware
that there was to be light ,commeocial development i rr this area,,
but that, if she niad known a bwW11ing alley would be allowed, the
would not hau . purchased a hone" n this neighborhood. she added
at she is very concerned about ro ,)r y' =ultras and the ability,
or resale of the homes and urged the Commission
o deny this Petition#
di C airmanr•w ' d recognized ter. Robert Baker, who staffed that
he is the architect for the petitioner and had no cormnent at this time.
Vice -Chairman Stoigerwald recognized Mr. -Dan Landwehr, 9un y Road
who said he would reserve any com-ents until later*
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Mr, bill Mar meats, 4270 Quaker Lan North, omm n d he has
conc-rns with the proposed brain , he feels the vegetation will
be minimal and will not screen dor lower the noise factor.
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v - Martineau stated that fie feels tbe traffic study has nolo
taken into consideration the actual peak hours of trafficfrom this
p/roposed bowling center and ra the; traffic r} ion will i
ff 35'aY'$ late- nightI Y Ythd1
Gary Paradise, 4025 Orlearic, Lane North, stated he supports the
Middle, t Homeowners Association
Vice -Chairman Steigerwald asked Mr. Vitale for his response to.
the concerns given. Mr. Vitale does not fool businp s will
generate excessive traffic or noise because the park~ ng lot i
quite a distance,frwt the residential areas. He reiierated
that the traffic generated wt t d be no more than would gen-
erated with other conditional or permitted uses. fie gave assurance
that the rash and refuse area will be enclosed.
In answer to thoser, center shoild not be any-
where near a residential area, he listed some area bowling
y centers which are close to residential areas. €i commented
further that. the so called 'bad image" o ow in alleys isn't
realistic. fie also pointed out that a conditional use panni
can be terminated by the City if there are severe problems with
his operation and management of the boviling center. Mr. Vitale
clarified that 90 percent of theJeaguebusiness (not overall
would be generated outside the neighborhood.
Ile commented that this site, was chosen over -other sites, that
much research went into hoosi n he site and he dues not
feel it is d tr men a ' to the area. Mr. Vitale recalled the
1974 shopping center plans included a movie pare which would
typically not close early.
sir. Vitale reviewed the management plan for the facility and
stated all reasonable efforts will be made to control any problems).
Mr. Roger Eggen stated that he is opposed to having his uper-
eburs in the - hack yard a residential area, but Is not
opposed to a bowling center in Plymouth. He fi!els there € ust b
more suitable locations for this type of business. lie also
remi ruded the -Commission that the reason t'- is coramerclal area and
the residenti4l area are. in such close proximity was caused in
part by the upgrading of Coun-ty Road 713. He,also ,noted existing
traffic rn r l problems a ` County Road 9 and Nathart Lane.
Mr, Richard Brunfelt, 4120 Quaker Lane North, stated his major
concern is with the generation of late night traffic that will
disturb the residents.
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011ie n an r l ,; 9935 ' s Avenue North, stated tier concerns
with h changing character of the neighborhood with approval of
the bowe' rg center and 'lounge*
Vic W Chairman Ste r; r id closed the Public ri . 1 =rn ner
Wire, seconded by Commissioner Barron to take actionn this
tonight. 6 ayes. MIOTION carried*
Vite-Chairman`Steigerwald called a recess' art 8* -40 P.M.
and cal led tbe me eting to order8*50 P.M.
MOTION by Commissioner Paubat seconded by Commissioner l g
o recotimiend approval ofa, conditional use ermi for Jeffrey
Vitale for a -large bowling center dnd alplusement game room, as
well 4s the site plan which includes a restaurant and lounge
located northeast of County Road 9 and Nathan Lane and subject
the following 'conditions.,
1* Compliance with the City K'nq ineer's Memorandum.
All waste and waste container. shall stored within the
building n the designated area shown on the approved plan.
Th r,shall he n nuside waste,containarq nermitted Ath,".
out specific plan approval by theCity.
3. Any signage shall conform with the Cit:, Ordinancei
Standards*
4. There shall be no outside display, sales, or storage of
merchandise or related materials,
S. Submission of required financial guaranteefor completinn
of t site improvements termed for 24-monthso
Provisions for a 20"ft. wide trail easement per Corridor
Use Plan asverified by the Parks and Engineering Depart-
ments, arrn , with s0mittal of detailed plans as to errs r on
of the trail per City and r*ds.:
7. air "ar 'an fees-n-lrj o ddcan"
based upon verified acreage _ in accordance with the
Park Dedication Policy in effect at thus of buildingpermit
issuance#
8. The conditional use permit s Pubject to al I a i ,*cable`
ordinances, codes, and regulations, and violation
thereof shall be gr uns for revocation.
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Vice -Chairman ,Stelgerwald Mrcduced tart next item; the reading I. d KA & ASSOCIATES
of the August 19, 1981 staff report was waived. WESTRIDGE 5TH ADDN.
REVISED CONCEPT PLAN
Staffreviewed ides which de -c he c.r gra;)v,,cal FREED INtIR
constraints of the site. AND CONDITIONAL
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USE PERMIT (A-745)
Vice -Chairman Steigervia7d i n reduced Larry Laukka, pet 1 ° r one r, who
reviewed the projeactand in turn introduced Peter Jarvis, Planner
and Engineering Consultant who presented graphics showing the
site plan and building layoutfor the project.
Staff suggested that the Commission consider whether private
roads are appropriate f r this addition, since the reds in the
rest of the PUD are public streets. Engineering concerns
regarding separate utility connections to each un7 were noted.
here was further discussion on private versus public streets
andMr. Lau ka stated be would prefer the streets to be
public, but thte design ;constraints have led them to the
decision for private streets which are allowed in the PUD
Ordnance. Commissioner Barron asked what
additional space requirements or setbacks would be required to
perm installation of publ c streets. Staff explained the rr g t -o f-
a- and setback requirements for public streets. Commissioner
Barron stated that, because of the problems that arise from
projects that have private streets initially where owners toren
petition for public streets because of maintenance pr0lems,
and of "double taxation"' ,variances r aay be in order to allow the
proposed steets as p4blic*
Peter Jarvis further described the design constraints including
the setback considerations from County Riad g He pointed out
the possible impact of cul-de-sacs and that if these meet
erdrnancp requirements, could reduce the tical number.
cf units by 10 to 12 units.,
Commissioner dire was concerned whether the Commission and City -Counci l
can consider such extensive variances. Staff noted there is Ordinance
frex bil, t in right-of-way and street widths in a residential PUD
find that the Engineering Department can verify the lead bearing
and snow removal needs, but that further study is needed to
dete-mi ne the requirements for cul-de-sacs and their impact.
the Public -earl ng way. closed by V ice -Chaff r an Steigerwald.
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MOTION by Com—maissioner Barron, seconded by Commissioner Paut>a recommending
approvaT qf V* revised,toncept plan, preliminary Man- and _plat, and
cl"oral use Permit for Laukka N Associates' r'
rotrrdg 6thAddition"
located ow`,h,.:A of proposed Courcy Road 9 and Larch ,.ane intersection
L Jue, ct t o r 01 owt nr°t conditions.-
I. Compliance wi theEngineer's Memorandum*
Removal of all dead or dying trees from 'the rro rt
t 1{die owner's expense.
3. No building shah e issued until municipal sewer
and water are physically available -to the site.,
Payment of park dedication fees -in -lieu of dedication in
accordance with dedication policy in effect at the time
of filing Final plat.
Compliance with City Council Policy Resolution No. -8
tegarding miniriumfloor elevations for n vt structures
in sa orvisions or on sites adjacent to or contain
any open store water drainage facility.
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6. Street nares and nu t er to, comfy with the City's
sheet natuing system
I. No building permits to be issued until the final plat
s filed and recorded with Hennepin County.
8. The private drives shall terminate within the plat and
not at the plat boundaries,,
9. Ro private drive onto County Road 9 and Larch
Lane,
0* Off-street parkirq for each unit :Aral l comply with the
minimum ordinance design requirements.
11r Homeowner Association documents shall be submitted with
tete final plat application for review and approval by
the CityAttorney*
12. Compliance with Section of the Zoning Ordinance provisions
for PUD final plans and plats.
1* A detailed landscape plan be submitted as part of the
final plat application*
14. All streets versus drives) on the property shall be public streets.
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MOTION by C )wmi ss l n r 'Stulberg, seconded - y Vice-Chaiman 5 nva-1 d
to mond condition number l with clarification a.F iter", 22b and
tem no. 17 of the Engineer's Report dated August '7, 1981,
prior to Council review*
Roll Call Vote on a.mendment 6 ayes, T O)1 rarried.
Ammissioner Barron noted the intended distinction between private
drives anti public streits. The main north -south and east -west
roads wojid ve public sir, s, whereas, the "b -ranch" roads
Woul d be ,.)rivate drives.
Roll Calll Vot on
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MOTION once AMENDED, 6 Ayes. MOTION carried.
Chairmanto nmia d Introduced the next item; the reading o" NORMAN ARN
the August 19, 1981 stafff report was waw v d. WESTGLEN DEVELOPERS
ARATA i"
Staff reviewed slides of the. lard and ft was noted that REZONING AND PRELIMINARY,
the petition know "West9len Terrace," had been with- PLAT (81043)
drawn; tb.it this appl tat ori is now for aconventional develop-
ment. With respect to the fire lane requirements, some adjust-
ment,
djust-
ont. to the layout of the buildings may be necessary.
Staff also stated that Mr. Fred Mengelkoch presently owns a
x.ottto which is located o Banat is shown as Ont l fit 8 on the
preliminary plat and that it 111$ reCOMcrtond d that Outlot A be
nccr~pora od it n,.;t l t 8 to eliminate the creation of
regnant panel. It was also recommended that access to the
Mengel,och home from County Road should be deeded to the City
Mr. Peter Bishop of McCombs -Knutson,, ropr sentin the petitioner,
stated that he seos no problem with co,-nbining the outlots, but
noted concerns of Mrs t4engelkoch.
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i c - ni, r an St-eigerwald opened the Public H rin and intro-
duced
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ocod r. Fred M n of och, 10440 County Read 9. Mr. Mengelk ,,Ji
objected to deeding the access to County Road'9 from his hov-! at
Es >.t stated future, County Riad 9 lard a's1$=s
between himself Hennepin County and that he has been told ; gat
further= i-ipro eaten s of County Road 9 by Hennepin County has
been set back to 1986 or later. o expressed concern about;
impact upon his land values. Mr. Mengelkoch requested that the
Commission90 by the or* g1r 1 City Council direction as tQ access
which no recalled was that the Connty will supply that accqss
and no eats was sot for this action (Resolution 10 78-4713, horn
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Paten Bishop commented Vill' HSympathizes with
Mr. Meng h, who n! rig power with the County
and who u be abs =—,aximize the value on his lead.
i - fir ' rmart Steigoi,%vAd used the Public Hearing*
MOTION b J rY , seconded b omm si on r Pauba to
tees action on this iter this evening. MOTION passed n n oto s;ly
Commissioner Pavilba stated that Mr. Mengelkoch should have the use
f his -current driveway until New County Road 9 is built. fie asked
staff if anythinglike this has been done in` the ast
Staff stat j that the 'Cit ounci i intent was that at some point
the, City h-juld acquire this driveway access to County Road 9 as
right-of-way and thdt direction was given for this.to be- reflected
nr, final plat and the Engine,2,ring Departmenthas put it in that
noted - cern o-^ `-bis land had never
gong beyond b nce p rnv stage, despite several
preliutinae,y plat proposals.
VIOTION by C :! rtlss nn r Wit e,. seconded by om%fission rY 'Pauba !-0
recommend prnv ' of rord n nd preliminarynary pl for Norman,
Jarnes/WestOmDevelopers for the area eneerty Tocated east of
Trenton Lane and south of 45th Avenue North subjecv, to the follow-
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nconditions:
T. Complianco with, the City Engineer's Memorandum; deleting
Item No. ` 2#
Reillfoval of - al 'I dead or dying t"evs) from the proparty
at tete owner's ipxpenseo
3. No, building permit shall be i., jjed until agitfle.11l !
sewer and water are ohysically a7AIdble` to the sites
Trail outlots shall be deeded to the City upon filing
of f i nal plat and trail improvements sera" l be roads i n
acccordance with City Policy*
The balance of the Park D dvr ion requirements,, Tess n,y
applicablecredits for improvements, shall be fees -i n-
lieco of dedication Amid at the timee of development in
accgrdance with the then current Park0edication Policy.
5. ezonin stroll be finali d r,r n final plat.
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6# Street names and numbers to comply with the 'IAty Street
Naming System.
building permits issued not thefinal plat
is filed and recorded with Hennepin Covnty,
8. Location of fire hydrants and fire lanes per City Cede*
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9. The site plan application shall include a landscape
and buffering plan addressinq the transition between
this site and the commercial area to the east#
10* u l t A shall be Incorporated with Gutlot
11. The add -'tonal future right-of-way needed for County
Road 9, as identified by Hennepin County, from Oudot
should be platted as .a separate Outlot on the final
Plat,.,
1 . The site plan shall include a specific proposal for
locating and screening trash disposal facilities.
MOTION hy, Commissioner Barron seconded by. Commissioner Stilberg o
Arend the Motion by deleting Item No. 11 (Item No. 12 in the Staff
Report) and by delete ng Item 7.h frim the Engineer's Memorandum*
Rol" Call Vote Amendment to MOTION, 6 ayes, MOTION passed.
Rall Call Vote MAIN MOTION once AMENDED, 6 ayes, MOTION passed*
i c -Chai rrrran Stelgerwald called for a recess at 10:00 P.M.
and called the meeting to order at 10* -10 p.
Vice. -Chairmanman i g rwal d introduced she next item, reading of the TRAMMEL CROU COMPANY
August 1% 1981 staff report was waived* Staff was asked to RIE Is D PUD PRE -
givegive somIn background on the two applications being heard to- FINAL p .A A D PLAT
n h FOR, "PLYMOUTH
BUSINESS CENT R H
Vice-C4ai r~man Stelgerwald Introduced Mr. Kiri I oodhoras , representing 81044)
the Trammel Crow Company. fir. Woo4house stated he has some q:sti ons
relating to the staff report. He stated,tbat all phases will be
reviewed by tare City and this will give the assurance needed
that the project will be cohesive, he doesn't sae the need for
covenants. He questioned the concerns with open space and feels
this can be dealt w= h_through site plan and variance apprc al
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Mr. Woodhouse reviewed Isere agreement which covers the trash
disposal for tne compleX.
Mir, Woodhouse his questi=ons concerning the conditions recommended
for approval it the it off report; cur renting on condition nuMber
vilvich requires r toval of dead or dying trees e feels this doesn`t
pertain t this site and should be stricken. tie stated that condition
numbers 3, 4, 7 and g have already been taken care of in relation t
sewerand water availability, documents fur vacations and easements.
lie also l t that condition number 12 related only to the approval
of site plan and variance.
staff respotided to his questions stating that the intent of these
conditions is to assure that future development be consistent with
he being proposed no and teat thisdevelopment is inn r i ing' bus
items to which the original developer agreed to i n tyre ,ori gi nal
Criterion M - lir regard to the site plan, it rust be noted
that if thevariance is not adaptable,. the General Development Plan
may 'have be revised. Staff feels ` that Trammel Crow o:ip n r has *been
very diligent about their lease language on trash storage, but that;
subsequent owners must ' be suede awarethat the ` trash disposal areas
are to be inside the building.
In 4 isw r to Mr. Woodhous6sts questions on the recommended
conditions fur approval, staff~ explained condition nus! r 2 regarding
the removal of dead or dying trees was a condition required in the
ri ricn P11U, condition number regarding the fact that no permits
be granted until eater and sewer are available to the site is a
standard requirement. Condition number 4 is a smatter to be worked
out with the Engineering Department relative to documents for
vacations and'"easements. Condition number 7 relative to utility
and drai tags- eascments is a' condition that is n conjunction with
compliance with the City engineer's Memorandum. Condition number g
relative ov nants to be approved y' the City Attorney would be
a policy decision by the srimissiun, and ,*huuld not unduly eticurnber the
the petiti nnr*
Staff showed slides of the site,
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August 26, 1981
Mr. Woodhouse commented that the ",:o pion ;areas" don't really exist
as tenants will be leasing this space. Vice -Chairman Stelgerwald
stated that the tenants sho0d be made aware of restriction,; and requ-
lations by covenants and that these are routine documents vanish sot
forth the owner's responsibilities. Mr, Woodhouse maintained that
these have not been required before. Staff commented that the
requirements are wi hin the Ordinance provisions for pdD's
Vice-chairman teff erw 1 ened the Public Hearing and introduced Mr..
Chuck dustes n of 14105 40th Avenue North who stated he is representing
the owner of a land remnant which abuts this project on the east. He.
asked why Trammel Crow Company had not offered to purchase this 1 -and
to include with their project, also questioning what would be bui*-,t
next to this land,' and if there will he drainage.from thein project
onto this and*
Staff advised the Commission that Mr Justesen is speaking ,shoatIaremnantparcel, artd that when the Criterion;MPU .,ras reco mem,ded
for approval by the Planning Commission.. tore o m slon required
that the developer re 7ew Z'he plans with thc-tne,i at that time.:
The ownerwas oogn zan of all plans for this development but
chose not to sell at that time. The Planning Commission and staff
r verified that incorporation would be the hest use of this land,
but there has been no concerns raised by the oi Staff commented
that in regard to drainage, staff wi x 1 check with the Engineering
Department on this.
fomr ssi tier Barron rectal ted this piece of lend is not` "land -locked'
since th y° is some abutment to the new Annapolis Lane. Ile
questioned itviability for development,, alone.St'aff concurred..
noting the power line easement.
Vice -Chairman Steigerwald introduced Douglas E. Bergemann of 14705
38th` Avenue earth, who stated his concern is with the request for a
Yard variance,, he feels the buffer h tie n this project and residential
areas will not be adequate and t ro 50 foot requirement should stand.
lee hai anon Stet ervi l d i 3 ` roduced Mr. files peris an of 1 Q I
39th' avenue North who is concerned about the auf f o which he sug-
gested
dg-
gest d should be along 1-494 to alleviate traffic noise*
Vice-Chatrman Steigerwald ntrodu(ed Mr. , L Erickson of 1400
39th Avenue firth, who ,stated his concerns are the soma as the gentle"
Emmen who have spoken, and especially regarding the building el ev t i ons g
noting that tie rm,sidem tial neighborhood is much higher. e st- ted
sound barrier/buffer along 1-494 should he a mininium of 6 feet, with `
trees which should' send tete sovnd up and over the development.
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Planning Commission Minutes
August 2, 1981
Mr, Kirt Woodhouseanswered Mr.. Justesen and stated that no one
had contacted him on this remnant parcel but he would be willing
to `alk w, the owner,
Mr. Woodhouse spoke to the concerns re9drding the buffering,,, stating
the 'plans refer to a visual buffer, 'and that the buildings will
bV- -r the. noise ro 1.494 to some degree,. fie stated he wfll address
tease concerns during di ossi n n the site plan, which Is the ' next
appl kation*
Chairman;Steigerwald closed the public Hearing*
MOTION by Ccmmissiooer pa ha, seconded by r 3 cor,:"` lyllre to take
action o this Item tonight. MOTIOR passed unanimously,
MOTION by Commissioner Barron, seconded by Commissioner Wire recornmendinS
approval of revised POO preliminary plan and play (rriterion M.M.D. r4o..
8-1` and final plan and plat for "Plymouth Business Center".
located vest of -494 and east of Annapolis Lane ubJt- to the
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following co di ions:
I . Compliance with y Enqineerts Memorandum.
2.
1 Appropriate documents to be ub i d for vacation of
25 feet of the exitting, trawl easement along the east
side of the property.
31, Payment of park Dedication fees -in -lieu of dedication
sh411 be paid in accordance with dedication policy in effect
at the time of building permit issuance#
4. NO building permit shall be issued until the final plat
is led and recorded with 'Hennepin County.
5. ubm to f required utility and drainage easements
as approved by, the City Engineer*
No load- j or unloadinq areas %hall be located an the `
east side of thebuildings and soca areas on the interior
the site shall be effectiveilyrnd fron, vi ei
from the east*
7. Compliance sof h Section 9 of the Zonl'qg Ordiniince
regarding tfa filing of covenants and tL- i # documents
governing Control and maintenance of common areas;
the final plat shall reference the MPUD elan.
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Plara6ng Commission Minutes
August , 1981
8. Deg= Contract to reflect y l i bl eqf -
arts for this property as approved, in the original
Criterion . . . deve-topment contract#
9. The final plan shall be revised to reflect front ,hard
area (setback) no less than ordinance minimum s zhd rd
for he 1-1 District.
r ssinner Larson asked whether reversing the buildings would have
merit to enhance the buffering. fie stated the project can be
exp:cted to generate truck traffic. Mr. Woodhouse stated it wouldd
be offficult to make this change now. Commissioner Larson commented
thatthe heavier traffic would be where the v, rhd s s are located,
W)odbouso stated that he didn't think Trafficill be a
rrs rrr '.n rets i 1 be. sr=ra o ni s and will ' not
generateheavy traffic*
orwol $ s i on r I r , about signage and which building would
he most signs. Mr. Woodhouse stated the service center would have
the most signs, but that these would be uri s d -of only identity
markers.
Vice-chairman Steigerwald called for a vote on the Motion.
Roll Call' Vote, six ayes; The,MOTION carried=
Vice -Chaff rrian`Stelgerwal4 introduced the next item, reading of the TRAMIMEL CROW CO.
August 19, 1981 staff report was waived* SITE PLAN AN
AN(81046)
Staff conmented that; a screen/wall a the rear of the north
building would increase the buffering t erre interior parking
area.
t r ssion r Wire commented that one alternative could be to
move mf the parking from the front to the rear of the
buildingand asked how much of the parking will be needed in
the front of the building, Mr. Woodhouse stated the parking
n the front of the building is needed for office work rs and
visitor parking. The warehouse area in the hack will have more,
truck and vehicle traffic-, he feels this is a good parking ln
and doesn't decrease the green space to an appreciable degree,
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EAugust 26 1981
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lighting parr was discussed and t4r# Roodhouse has no problem
with the requirements. Stlaffadvised that no signage purr his
been submitted. Commissioner Wire stated his concern about
future signage on this site* Mr. Woodhouse reiterated that
the signs will be identifiers only,, there will be no, Argo, scale
advertising. He further stated that sign design will not
be complete until the building plart is approved, how r, this
will be ria'solved before construction.
Commissioner :Larson st t d that he feels the request for reduced
front yards is caused by the proposed future buildings. Vice
Chairmanman t of crud d commented that the Ordinance does not
address problems with residential areas that are so much higher
in olevation next to an industrial area.
Commissioner Barron stated concerns witb the the industrial site
opposite residential ar (i. Commissioner StuTberg stated the
need for buffering was very Important because of that Commissioner
Pauba stated the situation is unique because of the relative
lev t7onso
ComInIssioner Larson commentednted that he doesn't see any hardship involved
in the request for this var°' anoe=
Commissioner ire discussed the parking plan and site lino rr°apnioo
Mr. Woodhouse advised there would 4 no loading zones in the
area that abuts the residential areas. Commissioner Larson
commented that the: tote design i s good but it is his. feeling
that they could enhance the o n space by movng the, building.
o missionor Barron stated his concern that this project could
become a "sea of asphalt" and there should be trade-offs to gain green
space. He said he cannot support approval of this site plan with
radu odw Green space since there aro no o ld,r t p!.ID open space
attributes*
Vice -Chairmanan toi orwald felt that with Futuro phasing, the other
buildings could be located to reflect ars expanded Front yard area
if, the initial development is oroblomatical.
MOTION by Commissioner Wire, seconded b.' oma issio or Stulberg to recommend
approval of the site plan for Trammel Crow Company for two office ware-
house buildings located south and oast of Annapolis lane and viost of 1-494
ub. of to the following conditions:
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Planning Commission in s
August,1 1981
1 Compliance with tha Engineer's Memorandum.
No outside storage shall be permitted.
4. Lo -cat ion of all fire hydrants and fire lazes per City
Codi. The Eire Protection Plan shall be approved by
the City Eire tarsal and Building Official prior to
issuance of a building- permitlo
4. Complianco with theOrdinance provisions regarOing curbing
and drainage requirements for the site*
Submission f required financial guarantees for completion
f site improvem-nts termed for 24 -months.
C. permission from Northern States Power Company to construCt
within the transmission line easementshall be granted
prior to issuance of a building, permit.
Lot consolidation to be filed with Hennepin County prier
to issuance of prris.
3 Appropriate legal documents approved by the City Attorney,
shall be filed an this land indicating a variance from the
City's parking requirements was approved for this specific,
use based on the aper.°Pd plan
9. Approved variances i #o l d
a4 Lot Coverage
Building setbacks,
c. Parking to building setbacks and,
d9 Proof -of -Parking - deficiency as represented on
approved plans and E !1b is No. A-212 1981)
Roll Call Vete, 5 ayes, Commission!r Barron nay. MOTION carried.
Vl Cba . n Steigerwald introduced tyre next ft.em, gaff reviewed METRAM RRCPE T E
the August 7, 1981, staff report . and the rN.,Jest foraconditional GOLDEN CHINA RESTAURANT'
al for aer-nprnn Goldenpermitren CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
China restaurant and plan approval for outside trash enclosure RENEWAL ,AND BEAN
as submitted.Staff advised that the shopping center management APPROM . EOOR OUTSIDE
it proposing two enclosures on the site. Commissioner Stulberg TRASHENCLOSURE
and Vice -Chairman Steigerwald observed that she enclosures were 800171A-60)
consistent with the revised standards they viere roomm€nd,rx*
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1ann A# i 7PTUIZI 7 d dtUt3 J
August , 1981
MOTION by Commissioner Stulberg, seconded by Commissioner Barron
o recommend approval for thecondttional use permit renewal
and Arlan approval for outside trash enclosure for Mtrn Properties/
Golden Carina Restaurant located in the P r Seasons Shopping Center
on "he southwest corner of County Roads and 18 and subfiect. to the
followingconditions:
1* Item number one of Resolution -583 is amer.d to read as
follows: "No outside storage of waste, materlals,
garbage.,, or outside contain rs, t that trash disposal
containers located within approved enclosures and screened
service areass ivay d".
2. Construction of the proposed free standing trasndl nsal
screening I'acill hies, shall be compleW by October l
1 1 said construction shialT b di d art d the
original site plan, improvements and sub-tect to the site
improvement P r &man Guarantee retained by the City,
3. The proposed trash enclosures shall be constructed of
durable materials including heavy-duty, a ierv,, treated
good and supporting posts shall be a minimum x 6 inches.
4. Existing screening shall be repaired.
Roll Call Vote, 6 ayes, MOTION arri d.
C ainio an, Vasiliou arrive at 12:00 midnight4
i Chairman Steigerwald introduced the topic of amendingthe REVIE14 ANOAPPROVAL
Zoning Ordinance rov4sions for trash disposal facilities per OF TRASH STORAGE;:
the stalff report dated August 26, 1981. FACILITIES
i Chairman Steigerviald suggested amending ni b r 8 to read
When gates .end doors are used...,"
1t was the ons vsus that the reprised standards should be p l ishe,
for public, hearing as in amendment to the Zoning Ordinance. Vico.
Chaff p an Stelgeniale. ivotod that related amendment of the City Health.
Code would also b n scar r this can be orward d to the City
Council after the on ng Ordinance amendment hearing.
Councilman Threinen was present and stated that the Council ` had
recently appointed Mr. ' TarMagnus, i8520 27th Av n,e North, to
complete the term of Commissioner Larson who is moving from the
community. He stated the un i1 wa impressed with the high
quality of all of the applicants for the position.
page 61
Planning Commission Min lte
August 2M.,
Staff requested that Commissloners interested in attending the
sso iat : of Metropolitan !,lunicipa7ities Housing Conference on
e it mer 16th should so i nfurat the Department Secretiry.
t -woman asi liou then asked Comiissioner Larsen to present his
I f4ndings withrespect to possible Zoning Ordinance amendments
t t i ve to conventional and planned unit development standards*
C rr,iss ner Larson distributed copies of t !: final report (attached)
and reviewed the background for his recommendation contained i
proposal number 3. He stated that the proposed lot size adjustments
should be tested against tyre City's Utility Pan for final adoption.
Extensive discussion ensued regarding recommendations for amendment
to conventional standards. There was also discuss -ion regarding
chances to the planned unitdevelopment section the Ordinance
and the r isurr for bonusdensity points.
Conmissioner Barron suggested that the Commission recommend at n I s
time changes to the ennventiona standards but perhaps retaftr a
Ore ` sed" bonus point system, per Commissft ner La s nes "Optional"
bonus point r comm!endatinns. Commissioner Steigerwald expressed
concern 00.- realistic standards be retained for planneO unit,
developments.
Commissioner Barron observed that the present min mur lot area,
18,500 square feet, prodded a gross; density of 2.4 un t;3 per acre,
he stated this related to the chart in r e report 'which indicated
5,528 square: feet proud be a net density of M units oer acre,
He anted that the recommended average lot area u ' 13,500 .,-;quare
feet which yields a net density o e 7 units per acre too
high for an average. Commissioner Wire agreed.
Following Further discussion, Chairwoman asiliou 'stated that
Cuneissi er .arson's report would b forward d to the City
Council and that she would reeurx-ien that all *.,*re Commissioners
be present when the item is considered by t o Council.
In other business,' the Coamtission rer ew d the August 21, 1981
stiff report regardin.1 adrdnistra-t-ive review and approval of
outside accessory fuel st -5 e facilities#
MOS`* ON by Commissioner Barron.. seconded by Cominis inner Steigerwald,,
to recommend ppr aI a policy reselutiark regarding administrative
reY e r and approval of outside accessory fuel storage facilities
cm stet with the criteria hated in the August ., 1981 staff
repeat
Members 1 Plymouth Planiiing Commission
Page
2 .mum .cit Size. Current ordinance reqnires a minaimum
E , 0 M= -1- 15,000 sq. ft. is _2 Concern has
been stated that 18, 500 presents ars economic hurdle to resi- s1-
c nt 1 developers n the consuming public, restricing thedential
demographics of potential buyers to a select few.
1n eva'l,uation of this concern we have surveyed gather
communities with.n the metro area. Xaple Grove is formally
reviewing their current ordinance as well with the expectation
to reduce those requirements. Current ordinance requires
2 MO sq. ft. 1 -1 districts and 10,000 in R-2 districts
planned development), PrOjectiois are that these will lower
by 1 (het maintaining current setbacks).
Burnsville, currently at llrOOO s 4 ft. with an 85 ft. frontage,
1s tevising their minimum to 8,,500 with 70 ft.
Bloomington currently maintains 11,000 sq. ft. regardless of
the platting procedure, accepting; 9,200 average i th . major
developments.
We do not wish to quote these as standards because '" v ryonQ
else does,01, «'1, for we are "smarter than they a ". But these
are the figures often presented bt, the developing interests.
The Development Council has requested consideration that the
lot size be reducedin -1, < districts to approximately 1 -10, 00
s ft. with 75 ft. frontage. Perhaps more appropriately,
reduction to 15tGOO sq. ft. i -1 districts (100 ft. frontage)
and 12,500 sq. ft. in -2 (80 -ft,, frontage) would m Al ntan an
f-'mal balance between the it ' ;. objective t4 Orovid a quality
housing n ironment (planned., space, etc.) and affordable housing
for the consuming puhfis.
Rationale for revisions may be in the following data.
New homes construction for the 1st Quarter 1981 fell
within IS, of the national all-time .caw since the post- st-
warwar p ri F n the early 701s. (Source: Dept. of Housing
Redevelopment.)
B* Tn the area of fiaanring, home mortgage problems are
stimulat by 1) she decline of the 0 -year fixed rate
and 2) subsidies imp1 c ty in ,how savings rates at ,&
institutions and banks are phasing out W4 f h deregulation.
Because of the latter s tuatxca r 1t is :, ,petted that high
mortgage rates will prevail with or' w .th,> t: high inflation.
more*
AVERtiGE 11014B PRICES MMES MR*
CWHUNITY MED14N HOME PRICE INDEX TO AVG.
118,713 152
Liike Minnetonka 113, 341. 145
dz r Tsles-Loring 140
elan Freitas 105'r959' X36
Plymouth x 04, 708 134
flopk ins -Hinna tonka 93to0o119
Falcon i -$ . Anthony 92,r917 119
Calhoan-Harriet 87, 853 113
Bloomington 10
MinneapolisArea ver 75 , 0 36 100,
Homes sold lst quarter 1981
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141AI.NTAIN f'* RRENT STANDARDS
k DENSITY
A- Units per acre
3-5 Units per acr
5-10 Units per acre
LA-4 - 5 Units per acre
Bonus point system retained
BONUS POINT CALCULATIONS
Project. s (dezired minimum c. absolute 20 ac.)
Affordable housing.
Variety of housing types.
Affirmativedesign effort:,
LOT DIMISIMIS VOR 1,A-1 DISTRICTS
k4xin. size 18,500 q.ft. in 110' frontage
15;,000 q. R-1 90-10011 `r n
Under RNID, dimensions arQ primarily determined by
wut .
MAINTAIN CURRE'NT STPOIDARW
SUPPORT
City's rmechanical/ergineering needs are based
on the current standards.
r N a. e concerns with space and
Inatural enhancement"-,
r No. needfor change density an lot dimewdons
do not effect pricing,
LIMITATIONS
Standards are among the most stringent ir the
2. Controversy over the purpose and mechanics o
bonus point calculations.
3. Theoreticil support- does not address i- nese
and future housing n. ,-,ds econo d e s
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II. MINTAIN CURAENT STANDARDS
REFUM BONUS POINT CALCULATIONS
I
DENSITY
Basically rk.tmain the sar'30.
Allocation for project Eize viould be retained and
become the primary cons! dCation.
Affordablo housing w ule be removed from this
and stated *ithi i the Ccmprehensive Pian as a desirable
housincy item.
I Specific Point alloaatiunwoulde designated for each
housing combination,
Affirmative design Could Possibly Y o rewritten in more
specific er r but marer prAI ,hould be addressed
in Section 9 Subdivision D (1c) Put,. of PUD and within
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the Comprehenslive Plan to apply to all development.
LOT DIMNSIONS FOR LA-1 DISTRICTS
Basioally remain the camp,
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11. MAINTAIN CURRENT STANDARDS
HEM111-1 BONUS P01"11-1 CALCULATJO TS
SUPPORT
1. Maintains the intent and design of the current
standards.
2. Reduces theders Cv in"'trlain
density concerns.
3. Specifically ae 4ffordable housing and
affirmative ds g- primary factors in any ,
residentlial devu opm,, within the city, a
they should b.
LIMITATIONS
Still maintains a arils that may not be the
2. Revisions are too restrictive and therefore
contth intent o th bask UD car, t.
VCURRENT DAR
UNDER RSUP PORMAT
DENSITY
Increase,denzity in R-lA districts to a maximum
2.7 units per t -acre
lnoreasq :I ii in -I districtscs maximum .
units per net -acre.
Plaxi um density in LA -1 diStriatS would then beeved
to 3.1 units per t -acre.
ONUS POINT CALCULATIONS
Eliminated
LOT DIMENSIONS FOR LA-1DISTRICTS
Reduce area requiLr4aments for R -IA and R -IB to dimensions
within hnet density ranges, speakirig in terms
averagest minimum area, minimum font go- and minimum
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