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PLAN'PLAN'N1qG C04MISSWN IINUTES
City Plymouth
June 10, 1981
The renin r meating of the Plymouth 111anning Commission was called
o order i the un hanl r the ou nor 0
Plymouth. Bn e rd a . i¢.y, Cha rwoiaan Vasiliou.
MEMBERS RfL. "O. T: Chairwoman Vasiliou, Con, missi n r ,1 re, Pauba,
Steigerwald and -rr
MEMBERS ABSE3T.- Co,.,imissioners Larson, and Barron
TAFF P T. Community D ,men rector, Blair Tromere,
izi ni y Developintent Coordinator, Sara Vtconn
and Planning Secretary, , Grace Win man
MINUTES
1 TIO" by Coim%aissioner u1ba, secondee by lCminri ion r S tiger to
approve the h T ` o May 27, 198 meeting. 'MOTIONTON carried.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
s,.Hwr_mwxera<s.ex+c!+ss xs
Chairwoman Vase iorr introduced the first item, and rea,.('.img
oV7 the ROSE CONFECTIONS
Jane 3. r Staff Report was y i d. CONDITIORAL USE
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nose Confections is requesting con d ration of a conditional use APPLICATION
permit to operate a warehouse outlet storo for retail sale o 771),
excess - r ands in their facility 1^,;atedat 700 Berkshire
Lane, northeast of CountyRoad 15 ane. Berkshire ..ane. Mary Kleinfohn
renresentative for Rose Confections was Present and advised that
she tas there to answer any questio'!Is thequestingConn. ission may have on
this application. -
a rw)man Vasiliou opened tete public hearingins and noted no one was
pr any, to speak. The, pub.lic gearing was closed*
Staff lar e the requent by explainingthat Rose Con c,'Cions wool
like o have up to one sale ger month.
MOTION Commissioner Stulbem, seconded by wir to
recommtend approval of the tonditional use permit for Rose Confections
o operate a warehouse 1 t store for, retail sale of extqss merchan- ero an-
disediseSubject je tthe Sconditions set down in the staff r or: dated
June, 3 981#.
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MOTION xi-end waw made by Commissioner Pauba to fill in condii;ion
number a The dimes of operations steal l be Friday 11"1 11,,114 to 7
and Saturday , A.M. to 5 P.,Irlw and with the stdtement that there will
be AW rt.,t sales on Sundays. Cortmissioner Pauba cormented that
it would not be essentialto this District to have tis sales on
Sundays. Cornsziirsioner Wire seconded the amendment to the V!otion
and further states that they should try to avoida cajx of erja
and icustoi,,iers in,ren-lal)Cion to theparking provided. Mary Kleinfenn stated
sales would only be on Fridays when, regular"e-nployees
would not be working.
M,)TIONI by Commissioner Wfire, seconded by to;%miss over Steigerviald
o, ,.end condition number§I limitin the times of operations as
as ` ated, but add: There as only rr da and Saturday per
n fl used for these sal es t and to amend condition number two
that no additional signage related to thisus should be allowed%
Commissioner Wire stated there should be conformance to the same signage
linRitations as previously applied to Holsum Bread building,,
on ioned how their custonmrs would know aboutMliryanVasiliou 'quest.
the sales. Miar
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Ileinfehn explained the use of ads and temporary
mobile signs. Commissioner Wire stated his M."otion was directed a
additional permanent si r= . Staff explained the ordinance was
restrictive as to use of:.-Maar+ 'signs.
MS Y.Teinfehn advised the-mission that they have a portable sign they
had se'd with two prior sales and it has. worked effectively to bring
peoj'ale intoithe sales, the sign would no b o permanent display and
they would not be open that much, but they do depend on the Sign for
people to see and stop for the sales
Ch a irwoman Vasil o commented that Queerbusinesses case other types
f promotion, such as ads in the l Cal newspapers, and she asked whether
sign permits, were issued for previous occasions. Ms. Kleinfehnstated
Councilwoman Hoyt had indicated temporary signs were appropriate*
Commissioner Steigerwald was concerned that an undesirable precedent
with the use the t,,iobilp. billboards would be established and he agneas
no additional signage should "t)e allowed.
After further discussion, Commissioner Wire chaoSed the wording to the
a, d it f the condition state ,ono additions? arra s nag o
site willb allowed and any temporary signs will be subject to all City
requi rement
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page 162
lr, Ed Rose explained thathad gotten Verbam5mission for the
temporary sign from City C u lwn 10at Hoyt and that two previous
sales were held bectausie of the verbal approval he received. H
explained 'that this is a wholesale distributorship and there is no
question that the retail sales wi l ` be limited and,he advised that he
and his associates had delayedtheir first* sale before he was given the
to some businesses which do not seek permistion. He explained that, they
yid p,4t ads in the Minneapolis and suburban papers and had very few
people fromW' nn a s; most of the customers r,=ere from the western
suburbanr}ban area, so this is where the sign becomes important, he down'
feel it is flagrant and, it will be removed as soon a sale is. v r.
jai rwotsaan Vasiliou called for a v ' n the Mlotion to amend the first
condition on times of operationas stated. 5 ayes* MOTION carried
She then d for a vote, o % i'for s dtrd and rd
am,endments that the permit will allow sales a ma f s U one weekend
per song and, no additional rm n t;`sig s be allowed* 5 ayes*
MOTION carried.
hairwonan, Vasilious then 'scald for a vote an the Thmrain MC710N
thrice ascended fl. -d recommend approval x a condi "Jonas use p r i )r
Rose Confections to operate a warehouse outlet stere for retail sale of
excess merchandise,, and subject to the followIng
conditions:
1. Tb(-, tiqlTes of` uperations shall be Friday, 11 A.M.to 7 P.M.
and Saturday 9 A.M. to 5 P.M. one weekend per month.
2. 41 additiondladditionalpermanent signs shall be installed and
an additional signage ne si o refaced to this use
shall be subject to the, tequirements of City Orth, -can .
3. The pernit shall be subJect tosub. review and renewal in one year.
a All parking related to the use shall be on site.
The permit shall s,jbject to all applicablecodes,, ordiln-
ances and regtflation4 and violation thereof shall be grounds
for revocation.
The main U ION' thrice amended carp sed on roll call vote, ;5 ayes.
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lem., on the egenda. was introduced by Chairwoman Vai.; ROBERT" CAROL
i he staff report t',d 1981 to provide SOSSMAN
those in attenda.,ce, she further stated that OBOSSMAN ION"
Y"t without the variance could be difficult PRELIMINARY PLAT/
VARIANCE0 )
Mr. Robert Sonman, petitioner stated he yes present to answer questions
from the commixylon, and he assured the commission that he feels the
request is and` that he will initially making use only
the eastern'of the site.
Chairwoman Vasiliou opened the public hearing.
Mr. Iiarw iod ll qq n, 5027 Sheridan Avenue No., asked whether the dis-
cussion
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crr son would be about present or future development? He stated h
yrs the Marcel adjacent tothe south, lie feels that access to the :area
pith future development is ars important 'actor and won s h assured
there will a"turn-around" and that more h e h will be given to
access in the area remaining to he developed. He also questioned wheth r
the City will compensate land owners for land taken for future access?
He =ment d that access across his parcel as indicated on the General
Development an > was not necessarily consi s it with tri s. plans. He also
stated the graphics did not reflutt all existing road access and
structures an his land.
Darold -nd rson of 10600 20th Avenue North also spore to future develop-
ment, be u sti n d Wo is responsible for paying for the "roads, Chair
w ansil icommented would be the developer's responsibility and
staff advised the developer,could install the road and dedicate
it as a' p ubl4 street, r have the Cityput it in and be assessed for
this cost. Chairwoman Vasil iou stated erre assessments were an issue
for the City unci l
W4 Anderson commented a p about his concern on future development
and asks whether there are a;egulaions ,specifying the prices of homes
going in and their size? ,:Arv!o an Vasiliou commented that the dev-
loper ries not have to sp c a t ,: the ; prices of homes; Mr. Sessman stated
that a this time he has not rade a decision on the square footage for
any proposed single family dwe in s, but feels the yards are large and
consistent with thev r.0 n in this ar ea
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r. i i r l i i 301 E- i i i asks ev rasked
Iwh r r she draw °}s up to date; he is concerned about the grading
30th Avenue t0rth* fie is`further concorned about the runoff.
Staff advised that, the developer is re'Sponsible'for runoff from
the area at*d will have to pr-ovide t.torm driiinaqe and Ponding.
Alan T, Stensrud cf 3151 A Quaker Lane North stated that he doesrl'-F-
disagree with the plan, but is concerned a5out dqvelopment near tte
k.Tand and is concerned the lot be-ing low and r,_-'eding fill,, vie
compaction,., tc. he would like it maintaincl! as u*t ands l
fir. Earl R. I;Ptcraft of 10610 th' Avenue Forth •,-rated that
the City mp is out of eats.
Staff shed' the City man on s r on and zxf.'i"i ai reed z. -he featuresshownn
and not shown. StaIrf noted that survey maps for plat's do not always
reflect all date on city street maps - such as streets which are legal
easements rather than dedicated nights- -may. Staff .0so assured Nor.
r that in accord with "L -he D.M. and the Wat-rs d District Pny
d c! ens on we vi wid have to he approved by the DNR.
N.r. Bossmaa added that his plans for development olf the gest area
are not definite acrd that the n r ns h have ;bbeen discussed to n I h t,
are the reasons he is developinn only thefast end of the sit -z.
Chairwoman Vasillou closed the public hearing.
Chairwcrtian Vasiliou reviewed the six conditions listed is the s'taff
report, and noted the r e ma s in Mi Engineers Ner;i ra dum.
The lot dfinension variance was di l sse .
MOTIGM by Commissioner St
to take actin on hi iteta this evening. 6 ay . "`4 i ii h carried.
mri ss n r. a s asked a it the ditch zr ek" that pro i s -fir;1in -
a e i she area. Staff explained that the d ve op,, r will he rejoined
to Show grading and drainage and that at this time the engineers
believe that it can be accomplished within City plans and policies.'
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NEW SUS SES
Chairwoman Vasiliou ,,ntroduced the first item under new business as JOHIN KAROS
final
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ryp "Medi X o. ak, 1 d "; reading of the June , E01CME LAKEr
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Staifrt11wsat 5. 1
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Paul Pearson from MclUiths Knutscnn Associates win present
to. answer any from the commission.
U-mmiss ner 1;W4 at d the only concent he was with sewer~
capacity n he Oen,ds this is clarified in the, Engineer's Me ran uan.,
m(yriori by Com.misOotier Pauba,, seconded by Commissioner etre to rec-
comend approval for final plat or 10.34 acres for "Medicine Lake High-
lands' developaient locall-ed north of 37th Avenue North and west of hest
M ebi i nu Lase Orive subject to the following conditions-.
Compliance troth the ` u n is Memorandum
Payment of park dedication fens-In-lli u of dedication subject
to the Park Dedication Policy yin effect at the time of filing
the final, plat.
3. No private dr v wa access onto West Medicine Lake Drive:
4. Removal' all dead v diseased trees from the property.
tit the owner's expense.
S. Street nan.ing system to be onsi stent with adopted City
street namin lic .
6. Rezoning be Finalized as pari F , the final plat.
Removal of all existing structures ,from the property a
the ownerIs expense.
8. No building permits to be issued until the final plat is
filed and recorded with Hennepin County.
g* No building permits to be issued until municipal si w r and,
ga>#*'€
13. l's 3, 6, 7, and 9, of 81 ock 2 shat l access onto 38th Pl ace#
Phare was n(i farther comments or discussion. Roll Call vote, 5 ayes.
MOTION carr, ed.
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h rwo- mars siI i c, i ntroduced . the next i tem f i na l at r4T^ a AAc i.O .wx ^t! tem y x # v, x a,5 R i1AAr4dE' RR _STqQn
Anb rst 3rd, Addi t i c " for Haas fiagqn Homes, es, arc. Reading of ADDITION11 HANS
the dune 3,, 1981 Staff Report was waived. HAGEN HOMES, INC.
Mr. Howard Haat was in atter,° a ce to answer any questions UD FINAL PLAN
the cc issi rr has on this iteni. AND FINAL PLAT
RPOD 79-2 (79046)
There was discussion s to whether all of Outlets G and H of
the a Addition should, be includedinthe 3rd ddxtic .
Staff indicated this was not required by tha City Code. Mir.
Hurt stated It did not make economie. sense since, Outlot
was open area and Oudot k"1 would eve€ u y be final platted
in its entirety. t was the concensus to delete recem Hendee
condition rrber 7.
Further discussion ensued rcqardina the transition and open
spac, design.
Comte_ssioiler Wire questioned condition number "# the landscape
bond term 4 months. Staff stated that this is standard
language and City Council his commented that it is the intention
that the .nstelied plantings survive one winter season. Mr. Hunt
added that tete landscaping is completed as each building is con,-
pl c. ed. They will get pressure from the buyer r the landscaping
is not dare and plant sijrvi v bfli l y is included i their contract
her they buy the home, `here was further discussion on archi-
teptilral_ controls And standards for the ce ex* k W'4T L TR F :RR 'S.41f E Wad RA RiR?f
MOTION by Commissioner Steigerwald, seconded by Chairwoman Vasiliou,
to recommend_ approval of theRd final and incl, plat for
Hans Hagen Homes, roc. for "Amhurst 3rd Addition" located easterly
of 46th Aenue North .and Vicksburg Lane, and subject to the following
conditions .
1* Compliance with theEngineer's emor nd .
2. Submittal of re ui ed utility and drainage easements as ap-
proved by the City Engineer.
3. Subinittal of gradingelan for approved park area as stated
in item. number 13 of "Amhursthorst 2ndAddition" Development
Contract
4, No, building perms i s to be issued, u t i l the final pat
is filed; and recorded with Hennepin County.
S. Homeowner Association bylaws and covenants be approved
Oy the City Attorneyk
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6. An improvement bond be submitted guaranteeing the comipletion
of the landscape`requirements. The bond term shall be for
24 months.
7. Compl i ance with all applicable proiisions of Section 9 of
the Zoning Ordinance regarding filing of the final PU
plats.
Park dedication fas esus been sad i`sfid for this dev.1op-
ment as ;. set forts rr the Developinient Contractfor "Amhurst
sed Addition".
Rol I CalI vote, 5 ayes. carried.
general discussion of development pnss d, it was noted that
smriie developments, (even those that are very ;hi h priced) include no garage
space. Staff added that the Building Official checks to see that
herta is adequate space on a Tot to add`a garage in the future.
h r r sar as l iintroduced rss d r i s f s Mass r' J, } €)1 iY
forpil=G Oil Company. Reading f the June 3, 1981 Staff Report TIZ i'LAN V-X )
was waived. Staff explained that the plans submitted were not.
complete peri ord,inance.and policy requirements- this,had been
discussed with the petitioner: The petitioner sought a hearing
before h Commission based upon plans submitted.
Me Gregor and Mr. Duggan were present representing Amoco OilCompany:,
and al so present was ' r. Frank Larsen.
Ts y approached the, Comiission with their site plan and explained traffic
and placement of curb cuts. They advised the omm"I s ion that at
this point it is hard for ` :hem to say what the ultimate uses will be.
Mir.; Duggan and Mr. McGregor stated they had had little tittle ;) review
the staff and riirrr's rears* ;also, they had gust learned of the
Development Contract provision agreed to by Mr. Larsen last ,year when
this Ote was platted. Mr. Larsen confirmed this.
Staff clarified that communication has been ongoina as to these
concerns expressed in the Staff Report, and discussions with theDev-
elopment vi tomiflt have taken place on previous occasions*,
The petitioner had specifically asked to be on the agenda despite the
deficiencies, acrd had picked up the Staff Reportat their convenience
after notice that it was available a week agog
air o an Vasilioust'ated that the Development Review pro -Cess had
worked wi h u delay and that Amoco has apparently e not to
respond,. Amisiner Wire stated `concern that City Council direc-
tives agreed to by the Plymouth Hills Company have not been mei
Staff pointed out that as early as January, there was communication be-
tweeln staff and the petitioners r ardi g ordinance and Council re-
quirements, q r m n s, acrd in earth a meeting was held where the developer presented
a tentative site plan seeking 'City approval, although .they did not wan
to be committed to this site plan as changes probably would.be madel.
The r€a application was submitted last month.s
Mr Frank Larsen, con-nent d that the only d s us pion he rr--ql s were on
access, and if the site plan is in variance to the ordinance .4 are
willing to correct any deficiencies. ow v r1 they want to discuss the
entrance locations and site design with the (,om issi n.
Staff recommended that this item be deferred until the pian deficiencies
are corrected, and any variances are documented.
The representatives from Mccb Oil Company asked the Commis.%ion for
their definition of these points tonight so they mitilit rif ine the
pl ares. rs't rt r suggested the access onto Plymouth Boulevard
approved by the City was goad in the lK. warm, but they desired
additional access and a median opening . _ w could be closed by the
i ter in the futures
Commissioner gird advised that he feels more wnr is needed on the
plan and that it would not be appropriate to design the site plan
but if there were specific €r tions on points that are unclear these
could be addressed.
The petitioners wanted "substantial b r in " qualified. Chairwoman
basil i d advised that the DRC `(Development, Review Committee) can
provide clarification of all landscape policy requirements; she noted
the pl ads reflect i ittl "landscaping.
Chairwoman asilio reiterated on her initial comment that when the
development review system is followed it has worked beautifully and
delays th4t gray have been sufferedBred in the past have been ai 1' via° d4
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lir, Duggan Oil stated there probably will be changes to the
site plan before actual development,. out they want to feel they will
be able to use the land Aen they, are radar'to Build- The Cofmaission
queried why they w,re sub,.ldt-ting their plan nowthey are not
ing to build for more than a year? Mr. Duggan; stated marketing
fa gs would determine exact construction timing and thoy were
prepared "renew" the plan approval until then,
Chairwoman Vasilinu stated this application h been handled in a
i y manner and must have the corrections trade as listed in' h
staff: recommendations. before the Planning Coqtniission call review
it further*
MOTION by Coimmiissioner Wire,, seconded by Commissioner Steigerviald
its 'defer further; consideration of the site: pian for &nioco Oil'Company,
directing that the petitioners creat with the Development Review Committee
and correct the pian deficiencies h ' r returning for Planning Com-
mission
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mission review and recommendations*
o 1 call vote+ 5 ayes. Motion carried.
ITIHER BUSINESS
The status of Commission Subcommittee Project Reports was discussed,,
i n udi ' oo tints from fir. Howard int' who explaineO recommendations
relative to PUD requirements which had been bong , !,' Commissio--
Barron. There was discussion regarding Songs Densit ° ,u n s.
The Commission discussed Commissioner Wire's solar report. Commissioner
Wire feels thert is a lack of incentive for energy efficient !rousing,
and the City needs to take advantage of such housing that can be made
available.
The Special Wer ' Session was discussed as taking place on duly 8,, 1981,
at 6:30 P.M. Staff was asked to call Commissioners Barron, and Marson t
inform them of the date for the study session and the Commission also
requested that Councilman dames Thre nen be asked to sit in.
Staff discussed the new state states rgardin suhdii-.ion regulations
advising the Cot." i s s i n that lend owners would have to qffi- Cis.y approval
if they want to divide residential land to anything les,,; `;Iran Zn acres.
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