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pL A INGt COMMISSION MINUTEES
City of Plymouth,
February 11, 1981
The reqqlar meeting of t1t planning Commission w called to order in tete
CouncilCha- hors of thep yrs oti h City , Center it 3400 Plymouth Boulevard at 7,05 P.M.
by Chairwoman Vase lou.
MEVIBERS PRESENT: Cha r ornan Vasilliou, Commissioners Barron, Stulberg, Pauba, Larson
and Wire
Mk RS t"4! NT. 0 ssi on r Steigerwald
STAFF PRESENT: Connuni y Development Director Blair Tl rem ro, Community Development
Word na or Mary Ray and Planning Secretary Barbara Anderson.
OPEN FORUM
Open Forum eras.h z"f by I tanning Commiss of at 6:45 P.K.- there OPEN FORIVNI
was no one present wishinj to speak before the Co aission.
Chairiom.an Vasilioj rM.-ed that this was the last meeting for Mary Ray, Community
Development Coord rr tore and expressed thanks for his assistance to the Planning
Commission dur ng his oi;1p oy ont with the City of Plymouth,*
MOTIONwas mad Vy Commissioner auba.. s tend d by Commissioner MINUfES REGULAR
Barron to approve the Minutes of the Janu,Xy 28, 081 meeting PLANNING COMMISSION
as submitted. MEETING
January 28, 1981
Motion carried on a roll call votet ° hr t- ayes, Comamrsi oner
Saul berg abstained,* .
PUBLIC HEARINGSG
Chairwoman ° asiIiou requested staff to review the history of the CARLS0141 PROPERTIES,
alignment of County. Road 61 and explain the reasons for those INC. - REZONING AND
alignments. ents Staff, stated that the alignments shown on the eons PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR
are those considered appropriate by both the Cities of Plymouth CARLSON CENTERANNEX"
Ind Minnetonka and Hennepin County to date CC ,
Mr, Skip McCombs of oComibs-Xnu son Associates, rno represented
the petitioner, Mr McCombs reviewed the ort,,)povil and explained
the types of housing and their tentative location. He disoussc-d
access for the proposed development and reviewed the ponding area
to the east as compared to the City's Seater Plan. fie
discussed the elevations contained within their proposal, and
suggested they were more appropriate than tie el ovat l or, noted in
Iter #7 of the ngi neer* s Memorandum.
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He,also. noted that submitted' graphics incorrectly showed the street
to the east to be V1 ewoo; itt is 1-11edgewood Lane.
He requested that private drive access onto County Read 61 be
permitted as shown.
Chairwoman Vasiliou inauired about the length of the driveways
teading up Uo the house located on the eait side of (. rev Road
1. Mr. McCo b stated that the setback distances for those houses
Would be EO feet, so the driveways would be less than that
piuni i rrer '41ire inquired ab a the cul-de-sac at the east end of
5th Avenue North and inquired why it was not continued through to'.
connect with County Read 61. Mr. McCombs explained that tho
topography was tee steep to permit them to,' intersect with county
Road 61 at that volnt,, and this was the deign wilich. had been
directed by he City Councilwhen they reviewed the proposal. r
Jerry Hauer, McCombs -Knutson Associates, Inc., commented on the
steep grades and the `s policy for maximum grades at later.
sections. Mr. McCombs commented that the grade would have to be
flattened out in order f r 5th Avenorth to intersect with
County; Read 61 and this` is not feasible, and i s undesirable frojm a
planning standpoint to have two intersections so close together#
Chairwoman Vasiliou declared the public hearing open.
Marionon ohnsac , 320 Zinnia Lane North, stated that she was present
at the request of I neighbors who live on Zinnia Lane and they are
interested, in maintaining Zinnid Lane as a dead end. There will be
34 farm i i es with the new level cp rent and Zinnia' Larne wen' handle
that much traffic. She asked whether there were going to be any
improvements made to Zinnia Large as the result of this development
and also inquired who would have to pay for these improvements.
She stated that they don't want to pay for any improvements as
they get along ne with things as they are.
She also discussed the proposed Carlson Center to the west and
south and referred to the 100 new hones that Carlson Properties
ave proposed there and stated that these would cause traffic
problems it the neighborhood. She stated that they are not in
favor of this. She proposed alternate, ' traffic flow patterns and
expressed concerns of the neighborhood regarding heavy traffic
flow tarouh they r neighborhood and bufferingfrom the traffic
which -will be on County Road 61W
Commissioner Larson arrived at the meeting at i `.M*
Mr,. McCombs responded that the Ordinance requires streets with curb
and gutter and these are paid for by the developer within the
development, acrd if the other properties benefit from it the City
Council will make that determination and asses the property
accordingly.
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Staff eyplained the traffic crculation in conjunction with, the
guiding, and stated that basod on. _ that guiding there is no need for
a local street intersection with County quad 61. County roads
cannot be intersected randomly and it is doubtful tyre County would
perait Sth Avenue North`to intersect New County Road 1 because
it would be too close to the intarseo i rt of two County highways
15 and,61), With the proposed road design there cbovId be no
co ire c al Ar industrial traffic entering this neighborhood. The
proposed location of County Road 61 is responsive to the topography
of the area.
Staff addressed the alternate proposals presented by Vs obrsac.
Comm -1 sioner Wire inquired why an intersection of Stet Avenue North
with County Road 15 couldn't be Moved farther* west. Staff responded
that the County will riot allow an intersection, ' between -494 and
County Road 61 becaose of to o r pAy ,sight distance and speed
factors.
James F. Bremer, 302-8 Zinnia Large, stated ba the alignment of
County Road `causes problems with the buffe-Ping 1kthi ch will change
when the land is platted. He is concerned about the beffering for
tete existing homes because the alignment will be shifted to the
east* Staff stated that the bufferingin can be decided with the
final plat and 'transition will not be installed until the road is
built,.The final pans will have to be a ptuved by the City prior
to a#tual construction of the road. Staff stated that Bund ` and
noise abatement could be prodded by berming or landscaping. Mr
re er stated that there "-as no room o install a buffer* along
that portion of County Road 61. If curb and gutter are installed
he feels that the neighborhood should not have to )ay for it e
feels there should be another o f et besides the intersection o
Zinnia Lane with, old County Road 15. He would like` to see another
alignment off" Zinnia Larne with County Road 15 discussed.
Clarence 14. Gordon,' 13512 County Road 15. stated he cannot cruder-
app h whe Tna can show a house on hi5 land (east of County
Road ) when the petitioner has rade no efforts to acquire it.
fie also .tn uired whether the levelopen^ has made any effort to
acquire leftover land from the road. Mr. Gordon asked why Old
County Road 15 was dead ended. Mr. McCombs stated that they had
shown a house on h 'and in their graphics only for the purpose
of illustrating how it might be accessed and to show bow the lot
might be utilized- they have no intention of acquiring the property.
He stated that County Road 15 would be dead ended se so as not to
bring traffic from the co. e c a and industrial areas into the
r esidental neighborhoods*
James Sentman,, 13510 County Road '15, Mated that because of the
traffic n tete' area he Feels the zoning, should be restricted ' to
low density single family residential) zoning. He stated
that the p nd will hold drainage from the residential areas as well
as f'r m the industrial area and inquired what would happen to the
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qW Dress water which was bound to accuftlilulate,,fie also 7 nQui red tabout
asked vAky access would be allowcd tihouses onto Cout y Read 61
He slated ; appears toould cause a traffic hazard*
Mr. 'IRC;lbs stated that there is an outlet in the and which
provide neceswj drainage and it should not have to be drained.
fie stated that no cnimnercial areas, will drain ' into the pone. The
gdrz%' t .
reatched a certainpoi -it will draini he north&
Barron ` stated that the petitioner is not auding any
density ` 'the dev nt; rathLr € e i sue n h -2 zoning,
s that h build some duplexes rather than all singlefamily
residential houses. Also, the guldiag is LA -2r
Dennis nelson, 400 Wedgewood Lane,, stated them wass speaking for
r n H rs n Wed Lane. V r n r d of
constructIon of County Road .
Staff responded that the City Council has set as a requirement for
Carlson Gamer* teat'. this road must be..,--nder co-itract for construCti. an,
before Carlson ,Center can bp built. This coule occur within' the
next year.
w r* 'Nell son inquinid when they, intended to begiti. :fir. John Sebold
of Carlson Priper ies responded that they intended to co-mmence, as soon
the a t ; tied. W -. Nelson
stated bat he was opposod to havingCounty Road 61 moved any
fttr h r to, the east. lie, also inquired whether the pond would te
modified 4,y this development or whether it wo d remain s i
appears now. Mr. Jerry Heuer responded that the pond would remain
essentially as it appears now. Mr. 'Nelson inquired s to how Chey
proposed to access the lots on the east side of CoLv, Road 61 to
dtw) d Lane. Staff resporded that possibly a road could, be
brou5ht in from Wedgewood Lees as there is vaunt land which could
providefor that although it s now privatelyE wined
Mondale, 515 Wedgewood Lane,, stated that hei concerned
abode F in the northeast. corner with access onto Wl d wor.)d
Lane. He stated that if a driveway is installed it could,destroy
lot of the natural buffering that presently exists. He stater that
f this property is developed as shown there will be insufficient
sae to. provide adequate buffering, He inquired ab vthe setback
distances T"'Or this lot and where the front yard uo d v --e as cpposedl
to the side yards. Staff explained the ordinance yard setback
standards. DisCussion ensued regarding th location of the front
yard and setbacks. Staff noted the existing legal access from
Wedgewood ' sae
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Rug Nahorniak, 414Berkshire Lar s statea thetwas speaking for
15-:— -& a s e Ike nrn e r "'I i arva., Po t-hinks h proposed
road alinniientis the best possible one. Ulle inquired regarding the
park gra they had discussed previously,. 'C*hairwoman Vasiliou stated
th4t this was in the Carlson Center project and not this proposal..
Staff stated that the Perk and Recreation Advisory Cv,'nmissilon has
not s r d their revise of the need for area.
Mr. Nahorniak inquired oar the timing the road: constr Won in
this development, anti whether it would be tied ter the Carlson Center
levelo pitr n. Staff responded in the Ofirmative. Re inquired i
r s n n r d l tr wer rr bui t rreason if
the ray construct-.on would be deferred. r* McCombs staked that
f the final qlatr Center ears aro , filed for some reason
is possible, h the roach system in this area could be developed
independently Wt it is unlikely.
Dave gq 420 Berkshire Lares, stated he is spam° ng only as a
home wrrcrr on Rerkshire Cerra. He stated fie concurs wi r. Nabor ria
that this is the best rid alignment. stated he was gyres rrt
representing Ch' Memorial Church and they concur' ha i s
proposal will beneficial to the church.' H stated that he
a -need Oe PRAC faeetipq regardingpark- area to serve the additional
which will r r are;* o h
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they wanted walt until the preliminary plat was 4pproved. " cr
stated that PRACdid not make any action for a recommiendation a
their a meeting.
Lee ens le,. 510 Rerk5hire Lena, stated he was not a spoke3person
for any, particular r up, He inquired het"h r- the connection could
be made between 5th Avenue or h and Berkshire Lane without having
to acquire any of his property* Mr. McCombs responded that it
would not be possible without additional land area.
R. Mal-eks 12630 Rasden Road,, inn r d whether there -would b rr
done on the ponds and whether it would canes any flooding
in the area, fir. s responded a b us s
have not yet been finalized for this area however the. natural
gravity drain borrl'd prevent ai flooding in the area.
Chair qoman Vasiliouclosed the public hearing.
rb = ssion r a ba, seconded bCommissioner Wi r take
action on this petition this vi*
Motion arr* on a Roll Call vote, six ayes.
Commissioner Pauba fated' he had ;)robl ems 'regarding the ` lack of
acres the north as 90 percent of :he ra has to go iouth
n Zfiania Une. He wo d like the City to look at pussRil
arna s
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Conm*Mssioner Wire stated that he wou'd lies to sea 541,-h Avenue North
intersect i li Count. isvlensued in
City Council direction i v,r with the preliminary plat of Carlson
Center. Cormnv, n r Wire izir d that ecul-de-sacn a
Lane w eliminate Vie a fdw Through the neighborhood*
Di u tn e :seed r ard n traffic nr, p
assessments,
MOTION by ComMissioner Barron, seconded by Commissioner Wire. to
recommend approval the pr i roar, play` and ifor
Carlson : n r* Annex" for Carlson Properties, Inc. subject to the
coaditions listed in the sCla ` report*
IM40110N tv Oummissioner Wire, seconded by Commissioner Pauba, to
r nd condition #3 toread as follows:
3. Appr3val includes revised Alternav,.A-1 for Carlson Center per
DeCember la, 41980 staff rsr rdr n u r, -47ith thenorth ends'of Zinini'a
and Berkshire Lan as cul-de-sacs; and with 5th Avenue North,
011ected tn, County Road and the final platting of Carlson
Center Anrl shall be coordinatedwith final platting of
and to amend condition r S to read as follows..
Proposed Lots 2 and 3, Block 3 shallbind with Outlot
and designated as Out's of A, and Lot 1, Block 3 shall be designated
as Outlot 3 and both outlats shall not be eevzloped until
access is available frona County Road 610
Existing condition #6 shall, be deleted and new condition #6 shall be
lj s %, tated as follows.
The south portion f Countv Road 61 shall be moved to the east
to Iflinitnize, the impact n tr property on the gest 'side*
Discussion ensured regarding the proposed am ndi n s, and Commissioners
Wire and Pauba agreed to changethe amendment to condition #6 to ;
read as fol wsl:
5. Proposed L s 2 and 3, Block 3 to be combined i ;proposed utlof
as a single ut development subject ' o provi i n for
access from otfiter Than County Rosa 61-1 Lot 1 f Block,3shall access
rom -County Riad 61.
a stated that L l has legal access from W d .nn d
ane at this bine$ Discussionensu d regarding a css for Lot 1
Ill ock 3.
Commissioner Barron ent d r.igaeding, the amendment to condit-oo
and referred to City Council direction given at their November
1980 meeting regarding iso a nc Zinnia and Berkshire Lane
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neighborhoods an the new neiOhorhood o .itheninth, h
X.OuTic-111direct—edirect-ed that a rat"',pat-tern be develolyeed
ititernally w4th n ti's area,and he disagrees with the amendment
wilich would isolate portions the area. fo--n—nissioner Larson t
that he agreed with Comt;ai--Asaioner Barron and he supports
full ow" design such as Alternate A with fi s onto un
i Vii'd fiflow*
Commissioner Wirv, stated he is concerned about the existing
neiphborhoods bearing the assessments for road imrrovementswithin
the new development. P-gi n ed that he is not
in favor of all the cul-de-sacs andwould like to see the streets
n r - intersect with, v North.
C ,. s on r Barron
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stated i
q"p- like, to
proposed
have seCommissionersaratevotes
t aken # each of he rL4s 4 a Ldaiend+Fent ,, k. utiImscion S
1,44re and Pauba. Commissioners 'Wire and Pauba agreed to make them
threeseparate n
Cbairwoi,1101,n Vasiliou called for a vote on the amendiiient to Condition
Mot sl "'all =vote, one ayeCommis-Toners Pla rron
u r% Larson, Pauba andVas l u opposed4
Chairwoman Vasilion called for a vote on, theamendnent to =' ."o n
Motion faileda Kell Call vote two ayesi, Commissioners Barron,
airwo!n n ' i u cellae for n the aviendment t-) Condition
Mot -ion. cay`ri n a Roll Call vote, six ryes.
MOTTON b oz,-uM ssi neer aa.rron :seconded by Commi ss i )tier Pautha t o
amend ,C,)ndition #3 to rase as follows.—
Approval includes revised Alternate A for Carlson tenter per
Decetiber 2 191:mm0 staff mem r n to .I*tete cul-de-sac at
e east end of 5th Avenue North :shall be deleted and 5th
Avenue North shall be connected to X(#'Ounty Road .; and the
na- platting of Carlson Cenr :Annex shall be coordinated
with final Platting of Carlson Center.
Metion carried on a Roll Call v , five ayes, Commissioner Wire
posed+
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l.n add condition #10 to read as fol t9is
10. Access na-, Block shalll ae ma a , Lanae
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Notion carried on a Roll Cell vote, four ayes, Coi=lissioners Larson
and vasf! iou opposed.
C ;*mni i rn r L r-1 r d the intent of his vote was to signal the
Council s to the concerns about access onto County Road 1
M-0tlulfl by Commaissioner Sart n, seconded by Commissioner Wire to
Condi l FIs tOread as folloim-
5. Proposed Lots 2 and 1,, Block 3, to be combinedwith proposed
Aas a single outlot with development sa pro-
vision
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vision for access from County Road 61.
Mti n carHed on a Roll Call vote, six eyes*
Chaimmman Vasillou called for a vote on themain Motion as a#tended
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MOTION %, recommuend approval.for prell -
10:0 nary plat and rezoning for
Carlson, eta Annex" for Carlson Properties, Inc. subJect to the
following d t n *
Compliance t ; tit the City i nese' s 4,mor nt ,
2. .Zoning of_ Etta portion of i 3 lcr , east of CourtyRoad 61
shat I be R-2; zoning for that nnrtion of the project
County Road 1 hal - Abe tete pp' r v d general
ve m. v, : , plea and conditional use perinit revievi at the
of develop.ment*
3. " pr v includes revised Alternate r k rl mtenter per
December , 1080 staff s rad iii eicept ths cul-de-sac a
theas t end veru North ha° l deleted an h
Avenuevn North stall be coT-nected to County Road 61; and the
final platting Carrs -a Center' Annex "hall be coordihated
with final platting )f Carlson : *
Rezoning ii incl ' with filing of final
5. Proposed Lots '2 and 3s, Bloc;mbin d with pr t
Oudot A 4 n jto x i r t d v 1 oilmen subjectpro-
vT 10t1 Tor access r -t County Road 614
6* The south portion of County Road 61 shall be m v,d, o tete east
to mainim.izc the impact on theresidential property on tete west
side f County Road 1
private drive access onto new County Road 15.
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a ii'; ti; #" Pat fa U TJ a* Vvii rear. EVes
a4 i 1 i4 'a -0 ec914 wbR. v'. on o amnd
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Cion o f n the tpfiling h nal plat.
Rei Carl son Center tter lopn en plan to incorporate
approved revised orellminarypn circulationcu t ri.
Acll,css to Lo,.-- 11, Block 3, shall bLl from Uadgowmd Lane.
err a r~ )d. in a Roll Call , six ayes.
The t q re- - 1P N1. rr resumed tit ; . in,
This item ums, introducedwho reviewed the, February 6, T M MPHREY --
1931 staff report. St;ff explained revisiont- to the Eno n e
PIam*r andu , which woild only require dedication of -of-way REGISTERED LAND
or futons Cooney Road 15, and the internal streets wool be SURVEY ' 1008
provided with ! s I0divsio proal (Iter No!,, .
Alin,; T No= refers o. - rage, standard
Mr. Bob Plitchell introduced Mir. thonas Hurphrey, Jr. and Mr. Len
Swedlund,, who erg alsopresent regarding thi pet fan. fir.
ff;tchell explai.nedJve petitioner's position and th reason r
ter i request,, Pe *.atedt the future platting and development
cel woullo be Sone bxy Vbr-,, Swedlund, who has purchased the
land.
C n Vasiliou declared the public hearingopen.
M e , 12630 Resler Road, stated that she is opposed to the
W—OiFaiff6n of landfor County Road 15
Staff reviewed the Thoroughfare Guide?Tan alignm-entCounty
Road 15 and seated the City Policy, is 11-o acquire land dedication
for fttture; roads as the land develops adjacent to the designated
Paul Suomala, 430 Vinewo d Lane, stated that he appreciates the
reason of the petitioner for' this action. He ir.quir-ed whether, the
nes shown on the aranhic rearesented actual lots; fir, Mitchell
informed him that this was only illustrating how, property might
be do j o in t;ie future. Mr,o f om' "Ior mod on the dr I nagz
problems which 'aright be caused by the 'registered land rvey if it
re platted into lots.
Chairwo,,:an Vali Torr closed the public hearing.
MOT r* by Comissioner Wire., seconded by, Commissio.ler Pauba to take
f r ori on this petition tbis. evening.
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OTIM-1 by Coabaissioner Wire, seconded by o fwsi r Pauba to
recommend approval of she Preliminary Registered 1wind Survey for
Thom,as 9. fiumphrvy subject the following €6 ` t i s
Compliance w the I neer' s. Memorandum.
2. Payment park dedication fees in lieu of land dedication
for net-tnet-tBracts as they ars final platted in accordance. wi
City park Dedication police in effect at the tint- of filing#
3. Designation of future e Road 16 as 6th Avg,,ua North.
4. No private dri, access allowed onto futurp, County, Road 15.
5. Revision to general development plan to indicate proper minimum
hard setback: for lots abutting future Ounty Road ; and
aclenoviledgasent, of the same in -tire development contract.
6. Revision of general development plan to consolidate proposed
Lots 4 and 5,`Block 2, into a single parcel with the Inten :ion
f providing for compliance with minimum ordinance dimension.
standards and possible future internal access to proposed
Tract A should it be subject to flirther division.
I No pprivrate drivetx.ss" ncxurj4Qy Road 1.4 including prposd
bract A should present private drive be amended or should the
Tract a further subdivision,
8. Dedication and i pro n f future County Road 15 and the
internal streets shall be undertaken with replatting and
development f the outlots rid/or tracts4
p;ON by Cortmissioner Larson,, seconded by Commissioner Pauba
amend t add the followinj condition*
910, Denial of variance request for metes and bounds description
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interin, division" for Parcel 3 to keep the legal description
ear and get the Registered Lard Survey .fed, per subdivision
code
r t l statMitchell that the agr epient to sell the Tom Humphrey
ous `was entered into in October of 1980 and they thought they
could separate the parcel with a lot division. The petitioner
is prepared to see that the RLS is completed and filed.
Chairwoman Va s i ori called for a vote on the amendment. ent.
oti ars carried on a Roll Call vote, six asA
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Cha i rwoom. an Vasiliou called for a vote on the Main Mlotion as Dace
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Motic n carried on a Toff Call vote six ays.
she readin9l of thee ruy, 1981 staff report was waived. r MBEGIN
Gary Gabriel vas present representing the petitioner. VARIANCE FOR LOT
DIVISION IN FRD
Chairw9man Vasiliou cotmiented, that there are ai=essoey buildings on DISTRICT (8 .009)
parcel separate from erre main structure. Mr. Gabriel commented
t4,at the purpose i o divide off the house for r4r# in's son but
Begin wants to _retain ownership of the accessory buildiAgs, for
use in the family usin ss
Discussion ensued regarding the variance request to allow accessory
buildings separate . parcel from the main structure. fi rrw n
Vasiliou inquired ghat hardship necessitated this lot division. r*
Gabriel sed that Mr. Begin- desired to have tha house on a separate
parcel airs g a d ivi t i s son, for purposes
ChairwomanVasiliouo.;:sated that this was not a hardshipaccording
to the rdianoe criteria.
P11TION, by Chairwoma Vasiliou, seconded ossr P uba to
mord dens al the ,vary for Jerome Begs rr o the
of division bca s bases to great the variance cannot be
established, per City Code variance criteria#
Chairwo'man Vasiliou stated she could view the request af 1 rma l
if at leost the three bus d x rigs closest to the dwelling were on the
same parcel
Motion carried on a Roll Call vote, six ales
Chairwoman Vasillou sad that, since no onerrrt rs MENP4ENTS10 THE
Council could dsussionouldpresentsevening * amendmentsmendmens to 1D k, '.. II
the LandscapeCriteria would be deferred until meeting T Si g T I#. POLICY fik
it"d be present.
Staff -.howed slides of various sites within the City of PlymouthREVIEW O TA DA DS
which have trash disposal and outsidestorage r lems. The AWREQUIREMENTS FOR
sub committee headed by Commissioner Steigerwald will be sub- OUTSIDE STORAGE AND
litting a completQ report,, with recommendationso TRASH DISPOSAL
Meeting ,4journed a 11:30 P,M.
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