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AOL wi 17, 1 I meeting as Srbm i WET=
December It", 1980
Mot) yried on T,r R vote, IFIur f -yes., Co;!Me one s
Z r. Fran "'agen Mk . o Q'kr-err represeated tile r itlione'r. RPUD CONCEPT PIAN1.
PRCLIMINARY PLAN`,
Mr. Cir a presentationtion ori the proposal and a swaimary CONDITIONALU.;- PERMIT
C( , nor he topoqiaplthe site and the drainaqe plans. AND REZONING Fl,)
lip r evif1w h conn ; 4 c ipeing ct DEERa EADD °1 111
1envir' mr tmental
he site a -i well as
plan
e cultural
Site. *,le VOviewed the lot sizes ndorgpa ,e t hg—lt to the
djft ent single familyresi(k.,ncial areas. He r1srnvseq
density yrs proposed and em.,vmd the transportation plea for
he site, which is accurding to the Tharroughfare Guide Plan.
He also discussed the oiiten space ane tile trailproposal.. He
en reviewed the prv)"li-winary plat and discussedthe, traffi
Im and the stroot Tri yti transition between the reposed
deve e -pin- .n' i fi ),- - t1the north r a h r 1 '
o the. nor the
irsi r r t'Ar e inquired whether trey have revievred the staff
eport retlarding we r qa*Mirq the lot sizes. mr.
r°r r° r fir ; . d ` r r- fir requested that
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I r kr ger, X dtlr ss the Is lie of small lot size's.
Cliilrw%olnratl Va074ou to, riented that tbe specificissue of the
rt eri for arfiditional Park ndii not r the. Planning
and he ' rs
before
not use this isSue
he )ass in their Consideration of the RPUD deesign and clensity.
rl er, stated that, is important retain the density
y having smaller lots with the lenge open space concent, rated the
south rather, than larger and; fewer- lots. If a i d the tma of
density transfoo ry arid the intent dedicate tAditional par -'..
r -ro n i4ager stated that the lots are within '."lie rdiinance s a rrd
t: r s for, a PUD but ; here have not been planned unit levelopments
dpproved in the City of Plymouth rifth li s of this size. Ile stafed
rie deterniination of lot size and layout for PUD is a design udge--
imaart as part of the fle0bility intended by the ordinance.
Coinlissioner, Sfeigerwald iniquired why y have proposed ;his density
and tease ` ot 31-zes instead attached housing, which would give them
Oe r. s i r e(r (teas i y i3OV more Dean space. Mr. Hagen r and d that the
MO(Inl OT parkNang being, dedicated is sodsta Oil a, the dollar, value
f the 'and is such that somieone as to pay for- it. Therefore,, they
nese this density havea viable err jec. . n the petitioner believes
that letached dwellings zirmore appropriate for *tis tinea.m-iss n rqWrvild _ ni red whether, they rinterested i bonus points for w
to moderate income ns n Mr. liagoin responded negatively.
rmi si n r. Barron inquired how ,the park dedication would be handled
fir., 4agen rs ndx-d tha it will be dedicated to the city in physes and
them would be Pn additional amount of land dedicated above the r uir d
r%Oica io for, this project rovide for a viable=rntni p rs
er, ,P r plans*
Staff explained the park dedication r it r n s and the petitioner's
propo,-,al. Staff explained that Ceara is a density transfer involved
with this proposal and staff has worked with the petitioner, in discern-
inq was of accom,plishing the acquisitioit of this property,
or rss onaa r Pauba inquired about access to the adjacent "exception"
property tc the soot heastt r oin other, than Zachary Lane. Mr. fl r°
r sp r dd that proposed A, retwwood Lan (y i d perhaps be extended to
the parcel for a b;A Ttis had not been considered by the
oetit i on r. Discussion qsu d regartiNg r ss i l i is for access.
Nr. flaaert noted an extended cul - a -sac sAveat would exceed Ordinance
nmil siover, fletchler inquired what the Zoning Ordinance requirements
w rt Y,egardinq minimum lot widths* Staff respnnded thatthis is
I Am Ann d unit developr,,ent and the etit n r° car, have smaller lots and
IWI the dinlens i ons would be ri a c v r the PlanningCommlssion andCity.
Council approve. ommissi n r Nc&,stated that he.feels that
Januavy VS, 1931
severall 9 1 gots a too ,¢i l l * W stated tihat + s
fort i y eig h 'hoo sddta ' 1v-1 rq a-' , the are ant#$ l?''
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r ir d a R F „3 !T4 § ¢ gx &; 4rRF.?S& Y.F2PB}„ F'wd T¢ Try kiF the are- tri }Ji 3C.. Se F d
houses is i-linUbt.
Mr. Ha stated that hags are becoming smaller and closer together.
Townli is s ond 'qtr ad -w*mi nitins have common vial - and the trend is for
smaller lots and less yard per lot. The, market trend's are
umertairt at this time, and they feel the City viouldbenefit from
the park. land. tie said the petitioner had carefully reviewed the
lot sizes, especially relative Deerviood fyeado s I a to the
aast
C'e r i ss r 'Wire stated that it is d ffitul t to visualize th
net yard area smaller lots from the graphics and inquired wh r
tears was a development compused of comparable lots that the
Commissioners nlight look at., Mr. 'Hagen responded that there are
none in Plymmouth at this brie,, and stated that the builders they have
d sr fiss d this with, have requested a 62 foot lot wldth dimension
rather: than a 60 foot width, Discussion ensued regarding the lot
sass and the cost of the lots.
Baa rwar Vasiliou; stated that she had recently read a survey
MHO indicated' the hest: selling housing was attached housing;
single family d.ta h d housing was not the hest at this time.
Shle feels that the savings o the smaller lots should h passed
on the r;' Discussion ensued r2carding housingdesigns
aid types and the R rket condittions.
Mir. ' e: stated that ths, owners feel that this isa workable pr- sal.
Commissioner Steigerviald stated that he felt this was a workable
elan for, tmiddTe income families. He commented that he sees
people moving in the direction of sr all r° lots and smaller{
houses,, but questioned the definitior o ': sma `$ * "
Cormnissiqner 14ire stated that he feelsthere is nothing wrong with
the smaller lots and smaller houses as long as they are developel.
propnirly.
Chairworian Vasilioustated that she feels that this pr(posal is
similar, to "Fish make Woods" in Maple Grove,, and they might get
a of tt r° idea of this proposal from looking at that development*
Staff commented that at the final plat stage the petitioner would, d
submit o final a which could depict how it, r9d relationships
would appear in final form.
Staff also commented on Item #10 in the Engineer's ?#B"m ndum re-
garding con
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r in - r n with the City's r h,ensi Sentara Plan. He
reviewed the rh regarding this issue. Chairwomansill
stad that hs td r rrdd the tyt
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pl,yours "5;.f xd f4ea S t' 2 i y ,'`' o i.t io ',.a, h
1 s acceptable wayprovide sexier= ser vice.
siker letler= .etd teat errd abort the
long length of the rear lot ` lines k 5 idjacent
the boll field h south, e I f the a s. ° g
responded ghat there is a, al.-:ference in grade e weon the se "
f A d and the lots. 'there is a berm,between h tfor transition
and thete will he special landscaping in the par -U'-o providegood
transition. 'There is also extra of depth he lots adjacent to
peal. field.
Comer - ti `- tn Notch lr cemented that 1, e propused foot setbacks
i-: iVor safety . s ns. kl . Hagen responded that on
C $ - e -s-, - = a, . feel that it's not a roblet-ti,, They feel the space
s better ised in the rear yard than the front yard to, get the
gym way fFr . Thr. park in the rear Cornmissioner Wire stated
that he agreed with ss oner> 'Hetchler, Con, missioner, Barron
stated thlit he had had 'a large d e on,a stmall' lot and had too much
hard n. th frontn and back to imaintain. He feels that it can
be nicely dome and ghat there is merit in the inane "s
proposal hi lids more affordable housing in the City.
hairumma ili s+ ted that this was a public e ring and
inquired whether the - was anyone present who desired t speak
on this issue. There w -is no re-sponse from the public, nd
ir`rwor-an, Vali -,1U when de a, ed the InWhIA icc heri nq tl d
PI ` S by (. iss ,corer- Barron,, st ond d by Commissioner,e rw ld
to take action on this petition this evening.
MOIMR CARRIED on a rollcall vate,. six ayes.
I`N by Commissioner, Base on e$ by, IC'omrnlssioner Wire t
r $-umien~ approval of the concept plea, preliminary p1 ; ,
conditional use permit and rezoning for Peer-wooe Meadows 11111
subject to the fol l owe rig conditions:
Compliancee pit the City Engineer's Memorandum for this
project"
Compliancewith applicable directives set forth in Resolution
No. 78-4 relative to the preliminary pint of the Deerwood
lead ws Development,*
3. Submittal of d C, ;I,d* landscape pleas particul rl with respect
to noted transitional areas along Zachary Lame and along the j
A" r v d dens -ty shall be 2.1 units per acre with 109 maximum
s lnqle family detached dwel l fnq units based, on a consideration
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Planning Cc's 4ssion VIie s
January'I 198-1
a Iry ' t N . I bonus;poinacreage of 51,615Stforanet
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r k rt the i
ae h with respect to i t= nt 0 trai I s*
rya r° r- r t rai I purposes4l
he issued until final s filed
wl'-h 1. 'eni; # n
o hjilding permitsissued WIT r.nunicipal utilities
n physically available to the property.
0 Rezoning to be finalized with flaal plat.
10. r a= t nameas and numbers"to-cmlply with kiy street.. naming
System.
11. Removal dead or dying trees from ie propertyter the
wne t" ex p e;_,.
12. CoiajOiance with City Council Policy Resolution No. -8
r rd subdivisions ja- o r c st r water.
drainage facilities.
3. Lets in Clockshat _ a mini r;# size of 1 ,000 square feet*
Con"rnissioner, Barron-, reviewed iscon udidns regarding net density
calculations. Distjssion -issued regardinq the notion.
M011ION by Commissioner Wirmond d by Commissioner Stelgerwald
to r nd condlt'ion P4 to read as follows.-
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ws4. Approved an shall 2 units per acre with 116 maximum
Single faa,I la d dwelling units based on a nsideration
and assipnment of I bonus point for a net acreageof .441W
acres*
Motion at,r lori a Roll Call vote, six ares.
Cocimissioner, ,sire coi,,riented that he will expect to see extra land-
scapingd treatment, n the lots rpt Zachdry an(Lots 15-19, Block
as ibey are. smaller, Tots.
MOTION cI,- p sion r tair , seconded umis loner, Ret ht a d f
the u li°°4rn condition.-
14.
ondition.
1 . The petitioner shall be directed to instalixtr- andscaping
AWL along Zachary Lane.
ayes*Motion carried on a Roll vote,, six
Planning ra
Januar'y 15, 19;8K
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OT{ % over 4io , dl iza over• E 4 t add
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e#rt & Ca $ "4f'... H,- '.:-be F R %w °.a`4r± £* X 35 # W. setbacks G€ t 1'.
lots a str s ether than coil --sacs.
Commissioner ar°ro rr stated thatfe-: :hat on some of the smaller
lots the 35 foot set -back wti d be too qreat anz.1 eras 30 feet =Was
approPriate. Discussion ensued.
carried on, a Roll Call vote four, ayes" C 1rilissi"ail rs
yeas lion and Barron opposed.
Chairwom.an Vas fou called for a vote oq the main imotion as
thricece a ie nd .
Nlli i carried on a Poll Call vote,, six ayes.
i reading of -'*he January 9, 1981 staff report, was waived. PAN -0 -GOLD BAKING
M.r. Janie, PUkervik and, Mr,, Robert Alton were present as COMPM,41Y- CONDITIONAL
de i t ions USE EMA, : REI WAL
La" r r r 7 s a d r s r q r :.%;
which both and staff have observed alo tq the north side
f she site as eirliployees appear, to be a, king whete they
should not. Parking k s available on the site _ he it was
au'ur d on the site plan. h , also stated that the
initial hear i g for the retail sales tl,t it was stated
that t o purpose was to provide a convenience for the
neighborhood. ours of -operation were establish,Ii, and
she did not see a reason ' r° a " nT' los d" sign. S n
also' rvquested staff to ir"Orri them how the gas purvis were
installed on the siIt
Staff stated that in the i ,,a site olan thea! was no
indication that there: tzou7d fuel storage the site, but
the petitioner d i,,-.Jicated facilities , for, fuel i no would be
1)r vid d, The Building Offitial issued tie neriqit for,
u dercr and Fuel storage tanks based upon a ravised site pian,
the tocation C the plurips was assumed to be adjacent to the
truce: Parking area on the eastside,, not by thetankson the
east sid ; The punip facility, was installed and onerxational
t ° 'o viest location liblen the underground tank work was
check,d& Staffsuqqested the Commission work with the
petitioner to ret moree landscaping to s r een the fueling
facility from flighway 55.
Mu. Aker vi stated that ne had , n %olpmo its other- than to
answer questions from the C Tarssion.
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chaff " wman Vasiliou stateO thatshe feels, the o los r signs are
rip k p; Withb r-11;°a intent x4 `s ' ;
o=ells<;1 o tier, Barron r€ ' arra seated that the use tri be more
than incidpnZalt tyre industrial use d nd is area oriented. tie is
P,,lt In f v r ofddadding any, signs :o tax.,fz 1 -e dy existing v1sual
pr obl errs.
mi'li si n r Wire inquired about the lighted gas pumI. # Mr. Bob Alton
st.,atedt1hat his Wilder told 'him that the only place Iv? ml;,ld prat the
pus,qp'wa-_ where they ares Buff stated that they behave there is a
requlatior that requires tyre pumps to be 1 ighted when they are
perahI
Chairminan Vasiliott asked Vfir Alton about the parking by the hydrants.
MY-., Alton stited that In the future tenants and employees will park i
the pr p r4 areas. s.
aMr. Alton stated that their usiness has been very light and sloe.,
They think that if they have the signs it will help improve their
si ess t Chairwoman Vasiliou mentionedthat she has received flyers
in h iia 11 advertising their business and the hours are r- rated in
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fie f lyers.
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Alton commentedmmethatqy theyattraction. yy. woulg like t _ the.. signs
w11 c onv 6. W 'Fnl` + * 4x M mt public, as 41 B { iA I 'NeT S b Y .
i hiss on r Wire stated there may be merit in, file signs to reduce
confusion as to whether- the retail store Is open, considering th(
lighted ffl i rig r -e .
MOTION by Commsioner Wire, Seconded by Commissionei Pauba to take
tionor) thte -titiorl this evening,.
Motion err o,- 'ill Call vote., six ayes*
I COI,. }.. ,. Iseconded h, ommissioner fletchler,
recotonend appr; of the onl,;rrt i use perralt
Baking Company subject to the following condi i ns-
l* the hour,s of operation shall' A.M. to 6 _., Monday
Oirough Friday,and :0 .M4 to 4:00 IM. on Saturdays.,
0 No signs relative,to the conditional use g)ermtt shall be
permitted.
banners or, advertising shall be displayed on the es .
would be visif)le from outside the building.
4. The permit, shall be. renewed in s: months'.
5. Gas ttr;7i rig shall be eiscontinuedand pumpisland lights shall
be. turned off during v i rig hours.
Planning Comrvission neer i nq
January , 1981
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Staff ire, what hours the pumps wara,used. Mr. Akervik stated that
but in the event they don't then they would `u -fl thein before, l -
n iahieh wo#J14 he ime around 3.00 A.R. Disc sslon enstled regard-
ing the motion, and the renditions,. Chairwoman VaSiliGU stated that the
lights on the pumps are not such that the,1vethe impression that it's
gas station or that the store 4s open.
ami r 'Barron stated that tie viould like t gee the issue of the
as pumpjs ConsideredConsid-ered separately from the conditional use pprfait
renew
Commissioners 14ire, and e eh er- withdrew the firth conditior
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Chairwoman Vasiliou called for a vote ori the main notion with end 4ien 1
1-4 only*
M-0tion carried on a Rall Call Vote, six ayes.
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1asil staged that they -viuu d °) discuss the issue of
the p off stated that they would work with the petitioner
feoparding the landsicaping and lighting and bring the issue back
be For h - Planning Commission prior to the rene i l of the condi-
tional use permit.
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W,- A gun concurred and stated they would i e to screen the lighted
gas pumps from the road and they wA A shut thein off during the evening. rTIMi
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The ceding of the, January 0o 1981 staff ne er was waived 0,,L OUTDOOR
Ms- I'Miey Jirgenson was present representing Naegele Outdoor COMPANY.
AdvertisinS Company. ra%DITIONAL USE
j SER_",T (800631
Camniissioner Pauba askec'' ars explanation of the er
rotating panel versus in regards the sign.
Jorgenson expl ained L tf)a ' ~ng parcel was pre.,lainted at
heir snop and >in lee on the _A n and changed every 60#
days, whereas the billbodrd sitin was put up vil h paper
la7rectly on the sign. The sign clow not turn.
MS. d r 'NnSon also eXrlained'the ors of the lease, and Stated
that j copy was attached to the staff repo a
mra s rn r #lire inquired whether these wrdul d be 111 u1n.1 hated
signs. Ili Jorgenson responded that if they were i l u n A
It woulli ,,e during the evening, hours, but they 'f ere tur tied off
after X 1,: 30 N MI. and they were on again during the early morn-
ing h.r 5 for approximately an hour- or, so.
Chairwornan Vasi iou stated that this Mems was a publ ic he ri ng
item and inquir-4 whether Chore was anyonereNen wishing to
Mr
PlaPnina Con404ssio NIzet'i
spec%'* Staff stated that rmi h rin propertyowner's thin
0 feet of the site had € een notified. No one was of,sent
wishing speak, and Chair-.40ralan Vasiliou closed the public
heaH ng.
MOTION b,C"'Ommissirnear P biaa se on eet by ssioner .
Steigermtald to take action on this petit on this evening-.
Motion ri r; a Poll Call votes six ayes.
MOTION i ss
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oner S.j r seconded
Paube t -o recommind appr<ovalthe conditional use permit for
NaegeleOutdoor- r t,1 si € subject the following
j ` / }¢` ndit`( ns4
The permit is subJect to allplr e l codes, riegulations
d ord iynances and vi l O then sh constitute ri pis
ry, a1 d f 'Afc ai o$ 3 A
2. The per'nint shall he 5ubject to review, at su ime that the
sub e )- ger is proposed forallowed development for
purposes of detertnining whether- Vie l l n s r-urse and
size are compat4lble wi r, the prt,)o,.ed develoullient.
Motion carried on a Roll Callv six ayes.
rnk,s i oner• Lar sent artived at the meet i nP.M.
The, Meeit i ng re;esse 94 -11, and resumed : .M
The reading of the January 8, 19U' staff report 1was waived. t,r°. HALLS ` LAND CORP./
Dick ter wg s present re °esen e ne ner. _` r erA MICHAEL
stated that l'te had no cornmen s regarding this stein. FINAL PLAT ` "LOST
LAKE
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80056)
cons issl ner e her- inquir*d whetherthere should be some
controls n the lass nage of Lost Lake. ff r*,spo nded that
the language in the staff r purl. is r° n City counc.,
direction given the preliminary plat stage and the
petitioner will he re ireto submit he outf4ll design.
MZITTION by Comipissionc_.Y- Wive, s conded by Commissioner, Steigerviald
to recommend p r v of the, final plat for, "Los .? Woods' dor°
rt:-Iley- Land COTporation subject o the following conditions:
lk i- p - an v i f ite toR v ii in -e is 'le.,m °Y nd4:m.
2# ''ximpl i n e with My CouncilPolicy Reso1jition No., 7,9-
Yr n n n r- e e ions for- new ° r.e r°es r
subdivisions or n, sites adjacent r containing open
storm eater- drainage facilities.
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raet na-mes and ntvnhers to comply with the mays street 1
naMtl 119 sx A
4. Oiyment of rk dedication fees in lieu of dpNcailloq d t rrxirr d
accordinq to City Council policyin, effect at the timc of final
x. o Ilui ° d i per-mits to be issued until at.,.mi 1pal water, and sevier d
are h si al mailable to tura site.
No building setback variances are granted or NIpli d; front yar
V idth varian-efor Lot 3 is approved at thed -d -sac a
lemoval of all dead or dyinq Erees from the property t heown's
PeAse
8. 1'4ritten verifIcat. )rr r !'r to filingof final 'palt tf-kat all I ots
east or oxceled' turf ordi ance minirnum requirements as to dimensions
nd a rro a
9. Verification y the kr.ity Attorney prior to final platting a t tura
statusv i ti .
10. he l> ldesignlprovidean and. rrrt structure
for, the r a l'I of Lost Lake-, pleas stiall 5e approved fi r
Engineer.
I I Concurrent with 011c, str°tuft access 'from V' new, nternal street,
the driveway access and corli cut from Lot 3 to CountyRoad 9 shall
be perinanently elitrinated and restored as yard and boulev;ird area.
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Motioncarried or. a P,11 Call vote, seven ayes. I
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The readinct of the oan ar ,, 1981, staff report w s waived. ¢fir.kIBROS.
d rias r sdn ry r an °° ` U i IOCO.,
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Comqdssionr Barton inquired abort condition #9 in erre staff RIM AT USS ` AKC
r c.*p t-Serf responded that in, tete first development contract 31RD ADDITIOW1 A-755
for to ndi,._,,e Add t rr there were r °rfi r n for ,)ar, dedica-
tion
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tion fees sir ith were' pending; tha. fees are approximately $1,. . {
Mr. Goldberg iid cat d the f aes would be paid and explained
ark., dedication Cera elrn than prevailed a-
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the preliminary olat
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Ci' tis Larson aboutt Vi dr in arrd condition #3
Staff` r^spoiided thatthis condition references tha policy detetmin-
ing the proper elevauion for~ new structures, such as those in this
plat which l n,;T d s and is adjacent to storm, water rte r ion areas.
F ant. mpa ssi - Meeting
janua"'Y 15,1981
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MOTION ky ?Coimaxissioner Steigerwald,
to ? . x M; rl die t rLt Mahe
d Ad tioq" for Lundgrvn Bros. Coapt u;'t orr Co. subject to the
I Compliar,e with the Fnjineers i4e-mCranda for "this projecf.
2. P P ro Pr, i a peiini4s shall e, obtained from appliraMe agencies
such s t}e. t tE: ar t of Natural o r° s for, any dredge/
fill activtt-ie'. ,
3. There shall °:e no privatedylve access to Pineview Lia
I dead or dl:seased trees steal removed at Ae owner's
S. ErosJon control pas approved by the ' f ty .:nqineer shall
submitted prior,t any d drimt.
6 lance utith City Council Polity Resolution Mo p 9.-80 regarding
miniminionum floor" e"Iewations for new 'str=t r} s in subdivisions adJacent,
t r -t straaatr drra nagefacilities,
7. ' pet of park dedication fees in lieu of Tard dedication for 16 single
mi. l dwelling lots in ac rMda c wits City peak dedication o icy i
effect at the time of filing of tinal plat.
8. Mo building pemits tc be issued anti l nal plat has been filed ' 7 t
ennepin County*
9. z.tistactl r revioas required park dedication r firm-aerts as set
forth in the development contriact for` 'Win.Jridg,, At Bass Lake Addition.
c cap.°r°fed on a Rod' Cal seven ;
This item, was introduced by staff who reviewed the January 9,, PRUDENTIAL INSURANCL
1981 staff report. Staff reviewed the direction given to the COQIP - MPUD CONCEPT
pet itioner when the Planning CorriLsion 71MV*ally reviewed PLN FOR "NORT W 1
this oroposal at their Decemw- 3. Mwl meet -i n*I N UIS"
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q 0Knutson and Mr. - ri Gra z were .sent from
P91CConlubs-Knutson Associates, Inc* and Mr,* Mi-hael Ferro
of Prudential '. s r nc Company -Was al s present.
Mr. Knutson s wd a proposed tifretable for, this development ' and
explained the necessity `cr° adhering to it as much s possible*
lip stated that the;_ er re requ tiv action the n tplan,
this evening in order to o befere the City Council on February
2nd. He expladned t 11' ,. this w- necessary for Prudential Insurm-
ance Companyto drain tt titers t ahead with the proposal.
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f-Alr. Knutson revievied the location of County, Road 61 ard the desired
curb an'O g .. !beyare ask- i no .dor,. six Cvrh tft Ashn + ei.
additional drivewrays In, ordety, develop the property eastor
of Che road. They also, will asp; the City Council to establish a
ren Z i nr with Xenium, Lane as zhown on the generaldevelopment
plan.- Ive stated they will be m n ' wit'h Hennepin County and City
staff to obtain exec", traffic counts And stacking, figurs- He stated
that the Council Arid County d earlier approved a locatlion of County.
Road 1 as shown on the graphics and it wot,110 be detrimental to the
client if the inter ty tion with Xeniulir Lane were. moved north700
feet cis now suggested byth uh .
M Knuillsort aTso cor-Mented thatI, since PRAC bay deteriOned 14ie area
uide Public9Semi-Public i the nortl,vitest, area shot:"fid n„)i 'ee
sought or, accepteld As public park or, open p;i , the petitioner asks
the Commission to consider either the acceptance the anproximateTy`
13 acre; "'as a: ft" with park dedication credit, - 't -hip iguiding of
he approximate 6 ars which are relatively high so thkans could
be revised to provide dor, an office use*
He also comented on the impact of the existing trunksewer- i n o
the end east of un y Road ; that is a; hasps foga the desire
a- additional curb openings to the several sites.,
ha irwoom, n Vasillou commented than: a timetable was appropriate only
if petitions were nbi ted ir order and Chis was a large project
and required careful review on the part } the Planningn Vommission
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Staf,f stated a road alignment conce had been endorsed by the Council
ire of gears ago, and the County ad exidorsed the, alignment € f
County a Now, with a specific proposal dnd somer4a data
for the area] the County has responded to the concept plans and has
expressed concern that the first street intersection with County Road
61 should be further- north of Highway 55.
Staff also noted the area in the northwest corytt r was flood plana and
tmo d and the Councilhc i(i d it as such t serve buffer
to the residential areas to the north. h C has deterr.ined there is
not a treed for at public park in the St*Jf row-unends the quid-
ing
quid-
inremain the same*
Mr* mgran reviewed Vie traff*A analysis. for tratfic on Xenium
ane and the inter -section b1i Xeniumbane with County Road 61. fie
stated e Lane was`gs " re u a i because h a
tractive a nat ve stated d ar ed tratfic data would be
provided with the Patel i llnar -lat.
Mr. Knutson commented h t the twt Intrement financingis a war that
County Road 614, can be constructed, and. a rattan asking for- this
comideration his been sent °fin the City Manager.
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Januiar4jy,5, 1981,
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Steven D r° , X360 o i m.. Line, stated that ate- disagrees that
wm rtr.,m a.z:*zrzwan+atemrawnv:w rl .Y.L 1 : .. .^c 2a. .i
Highway
Y ' 1.
rbetween1
County Road 9 because ' people using it every day. He ftelo
the traffic ow on Xenium Lane will, be. increased.
W. Richard Lee, representing r. and tlr . rdward Heins, ref:-rr d to
letter latT d J anuary 16.., 1981 and. suba,,itted- to the, Planning Com!nissioq
at the tiieetinq regarding tete Heins' position in this matter- He di us -
the pioblet;is regarding the access.to the .ur r , and his en t
Intens t seek turnbeck l" several r rt l rr :parcels originallyacquired
for road purposes*
airwaim n Vasillou stated that nn consider,
fleins4 land in torms of land use and access. 1ie asked If the land was
for, sale, and, V11r, Lee stated it Mould be takes, the fnarket at the end
of January.
Cortmissioner Wl rv inquired whether r not onf-` iued direct acress,
Stag Highvtay 55 was the mainn corks. ° Mr. Hvens and, ' If the front-
ago
front-
road land was turned back to Mr. heins tau . prefer tete access
tit continue. Mr. Lee responded rmativ y, but
S,tc-ff,%mert d that they have rovlewp,the state standards and have
little doubt that access to Highway E.west of Road 61 will
closed off. It maybelotted, to continue theoug ' sone phase o
Che development but ultiviately it Will be closed ff and in contrast
statement rfud f a r su t n , n ass Io r it e
could be made at thi,,-, time cis to: ow long ;j i r t a .,cess inight continve.
i s u si ensued with Mr. Lee r r d n access Highway ' and the
tai projections for t :being terminated. Altternative access arrange-
ments were discussed. Chafrwomnan Vasilioustated it was it-tportant to
distinquish the owner, preferences from probable, and properly designed
access 'to the property,.
Commissioner Steiger-wald inquired ut i tee AF19 in tho November 26th
staffreport regiaJing the m gat , r ial uses in Area D. Staff
responded 'that e petitioner is seeking the floxibility for- uses, as
Market conditions prevail. Z. rYwoim n Vasiliou commented regarding
the gas statisjn location issue and the meed for highway ru r ,,
Discussion ensued regarding rig; counts versus location.
t - r d tete rd nano t.,! ents for this use in the T-
District. Commissioner Wire inquirod why ta, d not move the
location. Mr. Knutson explained tete f.koncerns of oil companies for
visibility and access from Highway 55. Comtission r, Steigervald
inquiredj if they, were: required to niove the intersection, would
they changethe location of the service station., Mr. Michael
r rru, of 'Drudential InsuranceCompany, responded that
Struve the rt r p i rt there w uld not` e, v l pw rt . He out-
lined
ut »
luted she )r ii;s ,this t=t v ` would cat.A: the d v ` oivien . Mr.
nu son stated that the County woulO respond issue of the
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vllanuayy 15" 1981
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location f the intersection prior to tape Citi Council meeting.
anyA rast•a.:n. r edd r to :,r Yti'sv. y% ",xse a n t,_ir tea, m
oi i r Wire d t r° a serviceause in the-
Planned hePlannedunitdevelopmentand _he feels the nroposed location s a
reasonable one. Copitnissioner Steigerivald Mated that he agreed with
Commissioner Wirt- acrd feels that it is located far enough into the
levelormerit so that erste should . no problems with it* "",Omrqissionar,
Larson noted the co!ent in the projectbooklet about Area G.
Chairwoman Vasiliou asked about one of the other Commission dared
tives re ardinq lu-s r nq; and whether the submitted graphic was.
representative of the over-all "campus effect."
Mr. Knutson stated that t1iis is only the concept plan stage and they
wi II shovi r r=e do -tailed designs later on. Ile staff tna h ri could
e changes in Fre, numb Y r, buildings ue r? changes it) the ads,
etc. lie stated tb,5t the qrdinance requiremeants do not coirj),al Oem to'
show buildings but rather, thn uses that wauld be on the various sites.
Ile stat -ed that.they will make it attractive and will shoji the final
buildings later• on after° such items as the 1 I res of the roads have
been fnallZed.
r. Nicbael -er-r reviewed the possible two buildings that may b built
all if all does as lanne-d. e stayed th:' . ." m office
bt.1114ings or off I-.elwarehouse type buildings. ldi response t o
quesition b omwm sz3 er Barron, he stated initial developqent would
e used other than restaurants.
Mr,,. Knutson expla ned the plannod gradingand paving of the roads.
He stated that the ent4re sato would not be prepar=es i e is ly
and only the ponding assts air- roads would be gr°a&d and the berms
would b# ri seal l d a--ound the property. ire woods would be left in
b r° natural state at this tittle. The intent was t ;*'reserve the
campus" envir rrrrent.
Mr.. ` way Heins stated that he is Concernad about the access
for his properly arra -Xtbe tt affi w impeding the t.es ,,
Mr. Charles Hutchinson, Ath Avnue North, gyr i - red who i l l pad
r the assessments for ifs dLvlrrrrarararx asll
referred him to, the Gaut Council, explaining that the Planning
Commisl n dogs not deal viith assessments*
MOTICIN by Commissioner Steigerwald, s*-.onded by Cram€uission r 14fire
to reco-nmend. approval of the MPUD concolt)tplan for Prudential
Insurance Company for, "Northwest, rM°sliwss ampul" subject o the
following condRions.-
i)llan with the City Engineer's Memorandum for, this project,
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Planningolim si n Mi nut'es
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2. Pyovis,,cn for and design of trail and open space per Alternate 1.
I. Review of s4builtfed transportationdata by Cit'Y designated
tan. to ir-lude analysisproposed uses and the guiding n
terc.is ofyw . upon area Iran p r aion facilities and impact
thoseact"Ies u7non, the development. 55,aid analysis to be
coordinated by the City Engineerand to include in.put from the
State and County eparn . Tz n pr• ation., Consultant costs
to be borne by the Petitioner.
sign n id r a ion shall given to s r4ng of industrial . Da
x, b lldings with the int-ent of providing building and
Yard areae to' and the public streets, with parking and `driving
areas to be internallylocated and shared where feasible.
5. Design consideration shall be responsive to pr= r° ation natural
woodlands particularly in Ar- and .
o Compllu.ancewith provisions of Section 6 of the Zoning Ordinance
regar din eve pment n r albutt ng-the General Flood Plain
Di
T. Prevaration and submittal of required Environ-mental Asse,S nt
Wlrl h t with preliminary plat completion of regained, VA14
review procedure prior ofinal plat*
84W There shall be no loading or outside storage fatilities on the
side` of 'd rigs easy of proposed ottn Road and 26Wth
Avenue North-, - uch activities on the north and south sides, of
those buildings, shall be u an is lscreened, from vier to the
east.
9. The possible mix of commercial uses in Area 9 mziy be one o vum'-
no ; s r' w Class restaurants, w Class 1 resturants or
two,banking facilities* At no titme shl there be anymore than
one convenience store, or, more than two Class I restaurants. or,,
ore than w ,1 r €r , y , more than banking
tic i hies in this area (for a total -1 two banking facilities
on the entire project). The approva.b for this
for, a combination of the above uses, totalling five.
10. Provision shall bez made for, 'nus sops throughoutgh the development
either, incorporated with public riqhts of-i ay or on private sites.
11. Pt ov sior shall be Made for- an internalnal walkway system to provide
or, pedestrian circulition through individual "sites and/or along
public streets.
WITION by Cominissioner Wire,, saconded by lCom miss! on r Steigerviald to amend
ondition #3 by addling:
Planning 1',*ott:ra *Zk son 'Minutes
Janaary 15, 1981
traffic ansis and s u fey .,o be ca pl sten by the preliminary
lat stage.
And to add t.efollowing cor i i n;
In conjunctionwith the t'r-affic analyses,, specificallyad'dress tete
anticipated inkipact uponen a .ane in teirtis of the anticipated
traffic generation and development s in g r cul r° attention
re-
finprovements and t1ming,of such improvements as the t,esult of the
v o,went .
rhairwo.,4an Vasiliou called for vote on the amendolent.'
Motion car,tiedcarriedan a Roll Call vote, seven ayes
r ora rr l oar stated h intent of he Commission was favor,able t
the cluster,ing concept* ay )l s on r 'Wf m stated gest, if the inter-
section
n r-
section of Xenium Lena and Coutnty Road 61 is moved n r-th, and if the
petitioner continues the- r,oje( design consi rWt i on must include
suhstantial buffer-ing to the east.
Chairwoman Vasiliou cellae for- a voteon the main motior as once amended.
if ion carr-ied on a Roll Cell vote, seven ayes.
Chair-MO'l. n Vs i iot r f 3t F G dei alt vCo;mfT[ on ofi ?.5 Planning,
o ino ss on/Cita Council meetings sscheduled on Fehruary 18, 1981 at
6-00 P.M.
She also coin.,',ientedl that Planning omssian r'I-lave askedtf),,.bo
nfor¢ sed when, the City, Teets w--.h i i zero 9r,oups in hei r
ils r s the Mayot has dir,ected staff to notify. mizO sio rs
in, such Instances.
She mentioned that the Planning Commission would also, be aaaezti nc
with the Park and Recr,eation Aavisory Commission (PRAC) on a
s s-orl ss on r Steigerwld stated that he would unable o attend the
i,,it;A7nq scheduled for- r r°uary 11, 1981 pr the meeting scheduled for°
hdirTlO l rl Vd,%iliOU is Uss the $a i l isSIM sof the Plymouth
Rapport and T-eviewed her- responses, to the, u s ons fr,om Ralph
ter tnen.
reminds d a ra ssi o that iris slide Show r° s rrt t it
had hien scheduled r,io to the January ?8" 1981 meeting.