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rent Coordinator !ary Rai, Park and Recreation Director Err
DO? and Planning Secretary Barbara Werson
i Wn ti ger , l d seconded y ga r' to approve the
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Chairwoman Vasiliour stated that she Planning Commisssion had received a letter from
John S. Crouch of the law firi. of Gralf, Plant, M Pooty and Bennett who i
Harry ',. and Alene Deliel wtho ars wLares of certain pr o to
the northeast adr* of 1-494 and Highway 65 which is currently leased to
Sinclair 011 Corp atnyI.; letter states that the Beliels are opposed to the adoption
f a! Id elimirratsvproposedroadwitliyor ccess plan whith wou e the existing Points of
accassWON` premiseses from Highway
Chairwoman Va s u stated that this was apublic inforimatiorfal hearingn requested
staff vie the November 26, 1980 staff report. staff reviawed the existing'
ding an- zoning of the prope-rty_ involved anddiscussed the conceit plea and the
uses prop st, d for the various sites within i development.
Larson arrived at the meeting at 7:20 P.M.
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which had reviewed the traffic analysis submitted e l - nuAssociates
for this rct.k
Pfd. D, " uls s ¢ted hs a for, the y- and introduced
tlr Jim a` o of his ` ir` 4 to introduced Mr.. Michael W, Ferro, General
mag r o rudential insurance C pand 111r. uvatlher ,, an attorney for the
Mr. Knutson gave a presentationthe proposal using graphics to illustrate the
various owners involved in the project and showing the wooded aren existing onthe
property. It seated that they would try to save sr rr existing healthy trees as,
possible. He reviewed the site—plan and the uses of the various parcels. He
g x x , ' ? #'app l t & ^ r`!% mi da t cri` w areas, cc r,t. ggy y ,. industrial g _ . } y g.
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Sse f lasttrial areas,. fle sate they feel the nortnvst toortion of the
i tke vrpnas for a vubllc Park and,there 1, a trigcombin d utse trail hro h
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Chairw,, an Vasilt+iintro-duce-d, Mt. Eric Slank., rect r of Parks and VNNecreation an.
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location'. Mr. fl is stated the patitioner concurred., as a matter o safety and
ChNiirw,omao, 'Vf ,_s ' u cnmi*,7ented that there seem t a Terga nirtvr of Na c al
osed in the area fro -m this site over to Downtonvin ,Rl rrouth- M r.
V.Tfut rFronde that h ay be tw* banks- no options have been taken o
anv k, the land, at this time,
l*r- Knutsor, introduced1r. Jim Kranig, traffic engineer at McComrhs-Knutson
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s ^y'J isn f traffic oul be "i:°i r443:iS a i+i463t c#:e xt fi F i 3a commercial u 4 4`, -,^4 .
rhairwow-7iati, Vasiliou declared the public r open.
Mr.' kicharkd H. Lee, 901 Professional Suldi ins st that he was the
Berkshire Lane North. He s oue; a, t7raphic illustrat-
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i ng the fief pis ` property and the existing; access road fror 3#iqhw55. It also
showed the existing s its on the property. He stated Mhat this i" sal sub-
st jt ##.JTy alffects the value of the property and it would not have the access it
n, has should the development ppr v s proposed. fie would dike the Planning
Commission to consider the affects placing the access internally n what options
thtl, ! could take to kee the present access. They would 'dike to have access from
the south the, rol r y. ite vies also concerned about the assessments, and stated
they Should taken 4oto account because the property will be an island adjacent
to the deire j,4.11t at s WHT not benefit from it that much. ` fie stated that darlages
Will h to the Heins' ; property i s development.
wonBks regarding "`
Salah s` she has noticed posted on
the Heins' property and inquired w t this property was for sale. Mr. Lee stated
t I c t it is for sale d, the. s` had listed it when this development was first
proposed; v° they not intend t move at this time }j to, the expenses
nv i ed in relocation. As they have not beenable to sell their property to the
t 11io er they at ° Forced to rei,iainin this location.; He skated that the property
had been ' s*—edat a .very- high erica -Yvhich ws too high for st ar t it
r-041ghit have been interested.
Chairwoman Vsil iou stated that the Planning Coo m.issiondoes not comment on assess-
ments at the direction of the City Council bet- his cowrients would be reflected in
the MlinLztes of the rieeetinq,*
Mr. Steven Djerf., 3350 Xenlum Lane., stated that they livenorth ofthe proposed
ZfeFt x "—Rn -ie was concerned with the paving of Xenium Lane and the width it
wouid have. die also inquired what the speed litait on Xeniumn.ane, would after it
s upgraded. lie inquired about the Stop sign located at 34th Avenue and Xeniw,.i and
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br' as kt's p for these ":,provcarientsto Xen -tom Lane.
st thatk Ana k sr d `akin X rel n, lana i-oould SO considered
as ttroJ cct proposal proceeded; the tisning, of and m- pact uiror Xeniu-nLana er
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He viould like to see the trai", system follow I igh a (A ternate W.
t ra ¢? s ie 0 - '34th Avenue the wisr.'-bout
ocarl-ion and the ass ssren s for this proJect. He stated that be
hope u Lane will be paved as it is a terrible road at this time, he stated
that t4is would benefit him. to a pont bud s concerned about how far our the
asses5mnents would Ile spread. i s on r Pauiha asked him which trail location
wccuI he prefer, Alternate I or A t {mate 11. 'Mr. hl-c stated Vial.- he preferred
Alternat.'e, I which is a safer location, espicially for snow es.
Pa rk, s 'Dir et r Eric Blank sta,,ed that PRAC will reviewing the Trail Plan consider-
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irg-the rnany changes in land use that have occurred* He reviewed the existing
t -rail plan and 14, # T iu -
4-" trail locations premosed in Alternate
Chair'*,P,"an Vasiliou stated that the questions regarding assessments would be handled
by tile it Council a would the l wati r
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feat is approximately the sa-me width as existing 26th -Avenue North.
Staff co.mented that the issue of traffic generation needs to he addressed further.
Staff reviewed concerns regardinj the figures and rasv* g of the d v loerTt
M.r. Loren Schiebe, stated that he would not W4nt a large increase in. traffic on
den tan Lane and feels that rt Road 61 should upgraded to hand1c. most of the
I-raffic whith would b,e generated by`gree vl pint .
Mr.. Dick uts n, rp -",,wed the layout of the site, plan and s rove d graphics, i If ustr t-
i q the projected types gat' 01(li g that viouI i'e constructed. He stated they
wtish to pv-'Nse'ie a CONTUS-Iii4e atmosphere and ke,,p it as attractive s possible.
discu!it,,ed the location of the service station in Area G and stated that they
i'. d not be 'located elsowhere ',,,ithin the project. They have chosen this
location as it would be ve i l from Highway 65 and County Road 61 and if- is
viable locatfon for this bossiness. fle stated that it.would be used mainly by people
Tror) w4thin the development but: prospective service station owners had expressed the
desire fdr v si i it v from the highway. lie reviewedwad the locationof the restaurants
and stated that they will be used mainly by people who work within the d v l l rpt.
corrinissioner Wfire inquired whether the service station needed customers fromoutside
the ve area to make it viable. Mr. Knutson responded that:because it is
orated away from Highturay 55 and not easily visiblethey feel, this is the best
Tocition' for the statin; no other, location within, the development would be viable.
Oym;s n r I)FICluba inquired. what type of service station bonding would be built.
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Knutson responded that tbey will make an tive building ,,Ahich will ratch,
IN ' r ost o 1 uiVlin in the lop nt He stated p rat the awn-ers of the
MY if the existing service station have not been aible to reatch an agreement with
Pruiential arra tberefore they have hadl tiork, ar- ned it.
Y*. En3ton reviewed he staging of volopment4 Hieplain e. that the ownar
of the ho" -o at tis' S#h fnil Xaa u,#d a "life tate" interest in thus
roads, in thivs area would ' a te.m r ar}, al.i nmten area the r In st ad
Q. ,amen Qerf stated concerns about raffi lead on Xeniun Lane until County
Read 614 wass cor--,pleted-
chat woran Via0l lou closed the puhlic gearing.
MO 1 'i by r Wire, seconded by Commissioner Ne r to take action. on
this petition, this evering.
ION ON R ,. fl ALL 1114 FAVOR
O ni ion r it inquired what i a l for approvals the developer is working
tinder,. lklr. Knutson responded that if the concept plan is approved this evening
hen Prudential will go to their n r decide; whether to purchase the property
Mr. Atu valheimattorney forty Wentia, stated that there is some competition
for money nvol in thiss development and ithe faster" My move the better opportunity
they have of securing the purchase of the property involved._
Comissioner'Parrba asked PMr. Knutson to comnent on onditi n 4 and 5 in the Staff
Knutson stated they had r'tEg?with n11concerning
Condition _ 5 regarding Area (G area will require ' about 10 feet of filling and
they would not be able to save all the existing trees. In Areas D, E and the others
they feel they will be able to saes almost all of the existing trees. . stated
that they feel the service station should be located in Area G. He commentedon
Condition #8in the staff report noting n existing sanitary sewer easement wou7 l
require parking on the east portion of the northerly sites east of County Road 61.
ha r vio,!ian Vasil iou inquired abbot the access to the reins' property. Staff stated
that the developer eras silo n a 'viable access to the property and through discussions
with hCounty and the State, they, believe firmly that there will e no access
perrAtted from. Highway wen 1494 and proposed CountyRoad 51,,
discussion ensued regarding access alternatives to the Hairs' prod} r 4 r, .
i , r for e stated osingle design was 'the a howner
requests the City to fullyconsider the impact of the development upon the property,
Staff reviewed the ordinance criteria for conditional uses in the -1District;
especially °cervico stations and Class 11 restaurants*
Na ON by Corraissioner Larson,, 'seconded by Commissioner AM to recommend approval
of the., cnnceptplan for "Arishwest Business Campus" for Prudential Insurance Company
subjectt following con i ins
Corneal i a rice with the City Engineers Memorandum for this project*
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r < design, ,.f tr i l and Dean, space ver Al-l-ernite 1.
V I PM C T Z f 10 Sl.'y! ed t r( n q-vrtat ocn a naI ys I by City Si gnat dons ul t
g ttde analysiS Of Pr ,Nese uses and the suidin.9 in tar=es of Impact upon
V In& of those facilities upon he o p-
Sna id ysi to, he wcoortlirated , the Cite Eric f t^ -ile
the St -ate anA Coj,pty It) epa of Transportation. Con%,Oltant
fit _ t e h o r ne* by pia
4 r"Ort;'Sidoratic-n shall he respans4veto pre pryon. of naturaltwo-ovi l and
S Co'm 'Farce w114C tr p t • J lin Ordinance r r~d i g
gene-elety' rent in C.%'r x "" i m * 1 -he General Flood;, District.
reparation .:` $tggjd'$a"r( i5 F«''2*i%$red Environmental Assessment kfi s *R66w aw 6R with
rnla. - Corinletion of required W review rocedu ' ri o - na
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7... There shall I #' S id pad"kind ' #' it'east
Side 1. buildings ens )f r pcs d my Road 6 and 26th Avenue "forth
acti gitiesthe n r i ars.! south sides : those buildingn shall be substanti-
ally Trot- viae
8 'Mix of 'zr'rises ', rr Area ) 71 be permittedproposed.
Provision shell be Stade for 'sl-ops, throv'hout thedevelopment either
Corp rat d with public rights-of-way -of-way r on priests sites.
Provision shall. be made for an internal
wl wSystem provide for
pedestrian circulation Through individual and/or along public streets.
MOTION'Commissioner .,sire, ascended by Cornmissloner Pauba to amand to add
followi lq condition:
11. Design consideration shall be given to clusterinqf industrial and
buildings fifth the intent of providing building and yard areas toward the
public streets, with parking and driving areas tobe n rnalllocated and
shared whare feasible.,
Commissioner Steigerwald stated that he feels there are several anan w r d questions
with the traffic as pointed out in the, memo from Westwood ` ann rig and Engineering,
kesp"ially regardingXeniurn,Lane.r he issue of access for the
He i r r re 'gid and there are u or rni service X01 that
erre luras v. -Re feels there U -re better desiqn ountionsfor this develorment to
qualtf ° ,: and h feels i t, -life regular d rrand
He. oi'mmerited that h feels the14 y=Vi rg i n is moving toy fait on a project
o I de and feels theCommission should take more time deliberate the
issues WI"h more information supp.ied by n r 1 -and consultants
Chairwoman Vali t ion stated she vias in full agreement with Coirnzissioner Steigerwald,
a nd no undue delay was intended; however major issues, relative to, traffic as raised
a t e hearing should he answered. .
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I.Froi,,i tlest ood Pizanning and 'Engineering which analyzod the NI lhs-Kn t
Associates tra-Ff,4.c a0alysis for the project.
In tnct ion At the above, specie Kcal „ address $«e cipa d imp vpor
a ,4Line 3n teres of the anticipated traffic generan a z! deve opr n,
S ng pair icu r Ee t even to m Lant: north c -f the profer"
i d the need for it"n.-rovements and tieing of such irnproventents as r
4" d"axes l pt.
3. A Mr ss ', more st-µce lly t e futureaccess to the H i ns " perry on the
east side- of she development. if i,iat property ;s not to Ntp i* J this
project. Pe '—cite the service a of 'on from £rete G t an inter%)r r M -itio '4.+'i bd
V4 o* service stat i -
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5.1 Preseitt`a 4esi n consideration showing clust-ri r industrial and a'n4lqr
i 4 i s w the intent pr vid . 0ldi i Mrd hard areas toward z'
h t r ells' with DRi aind drIving areas to he more, internally locate-, and
shared Ns n - e -rd€ng t'h r I II analysis d E< § provided
g of thed v to gent. P1r. Knutson stated that the, to have 900ance on th5 e
ds r ., the City Council * me frame rconstruction d s Tis d yiss
r Stein, r to a d comjnented that at thIs point the information is too vague to se d
on o the Cite Re seed some of the design and staqiossibilit4-
es s d considered the Commission re tha petition is-ecoi:mend
d e Council. Chairwoman Vasilizou commented that they havenot answered
the i tions rased at the, public h,
4aring. s' rWire shred that he viould withuraw his motion `to amend the main
motion. m,ission r Leeson stated +eat fie wtould, not withdraw his motion to.r c
mmind ss n r r stated that would notwi th r i, his . "
amend at
ninon. Discussi i ensued rL 9 a r din g the memo from V.astwoodgrin nd r n
Arid the r zzArC'1 i
dsssd# Ktitxts n showed possible via if access fir the Hei property. Staff,
commented that the exact alignments shour. je taken tip at the prelAminary, pIdt stage of
the d v ei i m t. Mir. Knutson stated be would prefer to submit refined traffic y
s at the pro" ipji nary plat
stage Chairwovi,'an Vasilioucalled for a vote on the substituteP,,i
lon. El) on a roll call vote, 'Five ayes, Co!"Imissioner Larson
opposed Char rwor ca n si Feu- directed staff o send notices to the property Diene. s
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510 feet of this developmert h rr it wtas r s zr e c - Planning r vie
dw-e t tri Q ni t tide of the projectlo
The " i inq recessed at :65 P.M. a i,4 r szvved Sat 9:05
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ou read a letter from. Lewis Mithun of V!ayzata Realty Comptany datedCha-1vt,varran Vasil
01'eckr,!ber 19N, which was sent to the Citi Manager for the benefft, of the public
and eirected that it be inserted as part of the .1,11nutes of the meeting. She
c I= I-ed that she is saddened by all tl, ch nqe! that tiave occurred to the ge--eral
d`4+-v3e % Ston pF a for N)w .N:a in 4 A5 .4*
the read!"g of the Nove; 5er 26, 1980 staff report wats waived.
Chairvm,wan VisilijU COI anted that she feels Powrtown Plymouth vmy not qy s a
planned unit cz l ra n with the continual changes to the General Development
Dick Knutson, representinq Plymouth Hills Coapaay,,stated that some of the
ch s that r taken F}* ; r not a ua the .lee r hi s l - but rather
e actions : it e review-ed she changes which have occurred
to thegeneral `fic in ui plan which vi re directed by the rity Council and others
r* err tine Manning; c ssin previously* H state the
residential, areas which -were approved as part of the original. generai development
Oa n a stayed al r o saws, Hstates ri City c n n ° g nc changed
arid Vie tt rking requirements for restaurants have increased whicn makes the lots
which er originally platted now too small to hold the buildings they were, liann d
for. This is the main riason they are seeking the amendpient to W, general developiment
plan and greys will be a lot .ons v ision action going tj the, Cita tlnci *
They feel it is bettor to let the Planning issi n _kncw What isaPen with
the developnent prior to selling the bat, add coring in later on.
Nr. Frank Larser responded to qliestlons regarding cttargges in the 1-,roved genera
development Plan. He` reviewed 'tthe Itistory of the, planning and tai-k ti q for Plymouth
Hills, ipeluding the status of each 'lot`and outlot. Me disputed statements in the
letter- frorit Mr. MVthuii and commented upon the r Pati ns iv with fir. Mit n's firm
Wayzata Realty. He stated no maximwn had been :yet as tc the nwnhber of banks in t rc
a re, z ani that the su"ject Lot 7 'had not been part the development when land has
sold t 'N1r.. M t un. He stated he had discussed thmatter with tor. Mithun previously,
but hiEt had not seen tire letter read at the meeting*
r r g ran as r A a r` M t n's letters had been: submitted for the of l c
r 4 i r.
Mr. Aarren stated most changes have; been the r suit of CityCouncil actions and
ordinance requiraments, and have not been solely, to expedite, land sales
Cormilssioner Steiqerwa.ld stated that he appreciatrt. Mr. Larsen's cc r.,Ents. lie said
thet lie when tie was appointed o the Plannina inherited ark approveo
general development pI n which d teen approve#i by tie City Council which Felt it
should be followed.,has seen three O;< n in the one year he has b-eii, on. the
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Cm*sem and. ' closelypossibles.
tr* IZ r e - +at ed +hev are rai° , r i nix, t t tnmcessarychanges; t
t rike project*
ft a general developmenten plan is sulbjeCt to changes,
j tradeone fir ob aroer ?n€i ss t er
9:t! t J 'orriente athe i -Joes"It make tnuch difference if the- rr, brio
bank, - four banks. gelsq that they have to build useuble buildings a,0 he
are o o h ss o r top at n a rrs r x they have 4o what is best
for the Co-m-munity as a whole.
Discussion sute regarding the issues Of the afnendements to the general devel op -
z ent -.
t r, ' siliou declared the public p .
t1r.Vern 1.4i l , 1110 Soo Line Building, stated that he is with r ms,
acrdto know if therewas any connection between Cotes Mithun and Cainpbell'
M t-hun Adryertising Agency rMlaria Vasiliov and Lawrence Larsonare employed.
Chc-7irr, an V:siliou stated that there waz no i sof interest betweer the w* -
Mir. 'Wilcoxstated that there is no beak operating it, Plymouth Hills at this time.
He stated that they have been A, court on the umber banks t* o Q permitted
Z mouth Vills and they are the only bank wilt charter by the Banking
Corrrflssion at this time. They, are vtorking on a site plaa for thein bank, which
will be :uhmitted to the Planning Cormanissio). - r` l .
St2* -s-9 marts 4 * c {« e rw z: it Ar at ,.z srY aYa a• i a sc .A a x4,r4 $ ax $ 1s
4 i.F § 'C"1...'i I %A ;*! I Ui t A ' kx`w. la`e i• *k:aE IV# ia+ lid 'cii ;e U I:49#Rs s dot it #T:t ed T, YLi
ty the char rs-givers ki Commission..
r. t4lilliam C. Anderson, a lr " r , Minneapolis, gave brief `presentation
V fi prod. d shod graphics' depicting the site and-
od l of the proposed buildi%a ss d' the compatibility of :he existing
City N'tall with their Proposed ht nq
Chairwoman 11 il ou s'ated that the Planning Commnission would 'not comment at this
timae o proposed building or site plans.
staff coin*ntethat the era l pe `plea rX the same purpose s
guideplan. The ordinance his not made any site unbuildable the building sizes
could be reduced. He reviewed' the changes that have been made in the general
xdvpm.,lit plana over the past few, dears.
Chairwoman Vsi l i on closed tiii public hearing.
ATIOIN by Com-missioner Wire, seconded missioner Retchler to tape action yi ki
this petition ' hit,, evening..
M0,7110N CARRIES 6-0-0 LL IN FAVOR
Extensive disvus0on ensued regarding the staging the proposed develoofftents, in
Downtown Plymouth. Mr .s n, stated the bani could be builtn 1981 as well as
restaurant.
v Co -z - i ss over . i re, se-onde t y Hatch l er to recd d a l r ya
of.
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a `xfi, -f, few *. n if`:'*€*£': ",.
Con;Aia ` e v,,it the (" y Crigineer s Memorandum.
f g shally`plan
IC 41 11 sically and
aesthetically Compatible with +he PIr.-outh Cite ICenter.
or Wire omi nt that believos it is thei of the Plannina.
iissiori recognize tie thot may T project this size. Pe, feels
5 e City Att r e a es i- change i
to 11r. n$ d the current
Conditions.
f"° ° n Vasiliou called -ar a roll call vote atotion.
Iq on roll call vote, six es
ent .e e Amended Concept Plan,
the reding of the Nuien.er 26, '980 staff report vias waived. Mr.. Dick Knutson,
representing the petitioner, reviewed the changes in she concept plan from the
first proposal and stated that they agree with staff's re %meni n,
Mt. Howard A, Young , 141 , Larch Lano. inquired about the value the proposed homes
pressed nc r- s regarding the density and the removal of
w -i ldl i from the N:caus? 0 the development. Chairwo psi I icy responded
that the developer is rot required to give a figurefor the cost of the proposeu
housinq,, but this develvpmeni is proposed to contain market r,!,te housing.She
t ed at diminished wildlife in the ares ; orate, rest r
an owner develops his property - Comp ss , retch l e ' commiented that there p e rs
to be a lot ol space within the deve -Mch should support some of t1
r -gin Vasiliou inquired about the access for the developnent and qtr. Knutson;
r_,s ded that it vias resolved withthe Highwaaartment-staff stated deterlfl
as access he east end would e required wit.; ,h r i r
MOTION ky CommnnissIoner e' erwa , seconded,by Comms ion . i, e r reg end
approval re endo educe 1 "f"dFore s" for erdesdCr
l a ziel s iecL the oil d etit
1. Compl i a nc e wi t h the Engineer's foe cra da for this project.
2. C e i of the noir Assessmentssesse x r s ee recessn
3. Staging of the dev6lopment shall be In accordance with utility ava M` it
the site including the east -west street.
p,
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ved densilt ra"io e -,F C".1 unit- S per acre for approximately 16 acres of LA -1
iM`5,5
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nits per cYr. F p,t tt iaha 2 2$ acres LA -3 land, b av, wd uponpo'in,6
f I deo—A-Ity point per Criteria i) (affirmative design); th
a- xm r„+? ,"O r unfits P 166. ;density stall l x. 5a... u
w fomp' * a tee . -1 "1 r` r # r ¢ ?
ehiC` r r anon and proper width. streets Niven t t, ro a d off-street
pa ki Yin. design.
CAFIZUEf" 6-0-0 ALL IN RAVOR
175 ar ?" r rear;
Conditional Use Permit
The reading of the N' xi mb r 1911,10 staff report was waived. r4r. $here o',)k;r
w*s presentrepresenting Lundgren Bros# lie stated he had no cotmientsa
this time. 14r. Gees o d r e -I nn 'Homes was ,Ise. pr
u ri ner Wirestated that the rsComm S_ requested at the
rl4linC s bre, elit-riinatled when they r e c d this proposal at their November % 19801
mealting' and asked why !:hey were sill there. Ver.r ita d that they could,
riot eliwinate the variances without i t g lots and they were wl d
hisw He stated they had realigned the road as requested and they 'eel ` that
2- foot front and setback is appropriate fr this, development. Cotn°li i r
stated szo!'-ze of the units could he staggered.
Co mmissioner inquired they could road rAvenue)
4 feet and ` irai a the front yard . variances
felt -N.is cud be done without eliminating any of the existing trees.
Chairwoman that they had asked teat trie petitioner eliminate the
variances and yet they cont inu the plan, appirently for action...
including denial., Mr. Goldberg i aqui red .i a variances they wanted changed.
He stated that if the road was moved 10 feet to tree $ u'h they would lose some o
the trees. Co;,mnissioner Hetchler statod that accordinq to the plat they have the
tee' move the road ten fees' to the south.
Corm ss over Pauba s ' : d that fig felt the lot lines should be eliminated and more
open space dedicated to, be governed by a homeowner's association, rommissione Wire
stated that he feels thedensity is too high for the landand. type of units. He
stated that they cannot build this development w4th variancqs, and perhaps soda
of ItInve dyas to he ?€ °fake viable rje 4V-
t • ' stated that the 'lot width z i a ,, s -coud be eliminated by eliminatingof
nes The front yard setback variances remain, to be resolved. .cession ensued
regarding the lot width variances yrs design and open space. Density was
discussed. Cnirwoman Vastliotj stated that the petitioner has not cooiplied idt
the direlction given at the last Planning Commissionrevise of the prAposal.
Financing constra,114trt inn conditions and possible restrictive covenants
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t-ni ig werediscussed ° k uti , ;t, 'i$' tints ` r. R) ev"ness..
pr"ecad nt this plat is p o Y has been s i d«. # *r. Holderrass
wag the trail location in detail. Staff stated that the
raI Corridor List. % l s foy* trail on botb the n.wtand tuth idles of the
railroad tracks to qtz, peopwle across the prorerty without havingthem, cross emote
tracks. The Planninq,, Cxm131'S,S10r rS discussed t r i oncerns of the
a;I loiw`ion, the front. rd s*:tback variances and the lot width ias
feetChairwoman Fask d the pedr M 4
I -he south. She s 4 -ed the lot wifith variances could diminish; -di xn i t
lois (on rr d ng spreading she d s n rpt mshe other` t". She alo,
stated that it might be possible R d the trail design oil tbeort side of
the tracks
shiftr -t road to tilesnuth except
N nt,er and, +he ends to reduce the front hassetback, ri s stated one pair
f let- (wie building) would be eliminated a d
Ithe
width would-be sprd anow, the
of lots. 'IE, stated -ire petAtieNner profors not to have ",he trail or ttbe north
Side of tt;eail a tracks.
nss n rrr is dbuildings n r*q tld` dm -s d
nGrther iy.
Staff tot the ry d wr ul f Ito sh'I ed to th- # a the AW"t fzi Attit r nrnn
zw+tix .. s .< r aaxro+e seasu w cx uw saw 4w %.. a .r'# *.c v
r n 'Iso,, s ,,ne ra ` pr vt: ori should lie rade m the north side of r ra il-
iz d trzcks w
ssi rr r Wire, r , s or d Chairwoman s rr r ai d approval
U= -. pr in plat and r rditi n ; ns `or ' I edge 3rd Add orr TDr
und,,v en r# - Coastruction Co. subject tie following l i s
rR: °4 city, n . n r' l ran u, for this project.
Y Submittal cf rev'sed landscape plims to reflect approved street and lot layout
responsIve to the Cityr LA -I RPUD TransitionPolicy,
Peak dedication acrd fees in Bert to be consi,,tent wilr City, Park DfdicQtion'
POMY in effect at the m 4! i ng the final plat.
4. F ireaT plat Mw, shall intrude applicable, provisions of the 'aaillner plat
U-pproved for 'oli d Ridge MBass Lake.
No buileing permits shall 'be isstted snail approved final plat has been filed
ii -i ,Henn -e. -pin County*
6. 11-atneowriers, Association Agreement shall be reviewed nd approved by, the City
At rns ; the Association shall be ms nsi tifor the outlot.
nilxxt '"` 'ti° '
aFP': =;. ..>)
Z.
1 Qf the trail
tMibilit O l i -In tIvI the 11—n fl:'h - north siel t,'zc` trt.clis, prr
k ip, F ? tl on issz i er toicervia.1 1rwy # `k3 8 wEg
e k xc xr . r_ . Yz: 4f..k x u x ,. a . t`: .. xr. C.ii d
N.,klar of lots Oqn.41-I`€ng,aa:x 11 he de`te4,
e :WkBa.
as .rat-v of the
loto width variances s v sib -, reg°i ed plans reflecting the adt ti; shell
suul ,Iitted for final site elan approval with the final ;'Ian:.
Vasiliou calltld for a voote on the ariendment..
C- 14= a I Puy E x: " w.' "" OO 4«. T. $ x c.
lvnairwom, asi -Vaz l ",:)r vo,`.,.e on the rtaaln i' t cis 4t t Lrd
is item was 'itroduced by staff w1ho roviewed the OA ,. r 26, 10.1010 memoranduim,
and s a y that rrer vias a need for a sidawalkplan i n the Downtown Plym outh area
Staff eyplained PRAC would be r vieging a Master plaft in details
after discus on, the sUs T the Planning Commission was that the entire are
of Nytno th is comparabieo a Walking Neighborhood and, vial'ways Should
provideJ for pedestrian circulation.
VIi.n, ricultural cs
hiteivi was introduced ky staff who reviewed the November 26t 1980 Mennorandual, and
shovied a graphic depicting the classifications of areas north t -he IMUSA line
which wotfld be affected by the Ml tan Agricultural Preserves Act. Staff
exptorr t Ate and' tits rrs }rsit x<rs
development. Staff commented that it was absolute once it was entered into, and
the City would have no power to grant variances from
m,,.iss oner Hetchler-con-mented that there were several small,farmis in his distract
and he Felt t;iey s 6u d have sone protection frcill fetorsel ..r n .
mssr°r°=:res` are "urban ms' and
potential benefits of the ;act viould be limited to a feu* tie stated the Program had
vierit for bona fide rural areas. Chairwooin Vaslliou and Commissioner Pauba agreed.
MOTION Iny Connnissioner Steigerwrald,, se, r d d by Commissioner Pauba to recomiend to
the Cit,, Council that they G not establishan, Agricultural Preservation district
under the N, ttan ri ura Preserves Act `n the fol win real oars;
e is deveof : :,-,x,- Oiig ror'Ch of theMS A Zine ai..t the present tit.
4P r ,1"y hars `been ,' m ty to ailprove thedo the iv acre Inarcelst
City may he hinder},d in providing services because k areas are locked into the
Chaircmr7in Vasiliou called, for ae` ote.
M0 1 CARRIED,o a rall call vote, fouray ,orcin n Wire at'd 4eatchler
opnos' .*
Cor imi ss over Uire stated that the tIUSA line Ifiaivi, growth and develomment with -in
these boundaries and iff owners. 11ave Tegitimate cgritulturkal area's',- a bon t1hs
boundaries h av the right, t cottinue to operate for as long asthey. wtaa
wli lies on the five acre lots pec that no serys would r
and the City should, not considering such services ` r them.
the -aatinq as where was no further business. Defore the iasis ia-n.
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6, ofPly=-zuth
3-400 Plyn. outh Boulevard
Deer 'Mir.
The purpose of this letter is to express OVr COnCer3rLg -7di
Plymouth.Hiils Company e s proposed change in she Gensral
D vo-amens Plan for "D c .- -u Y " you r -'r
are aware, in place of a family sit-down restrestauran't'. Plymoutb
Hills comr"*ny :S proposinganother bank site ic l-# opposite
she Post . "ice at the entrance to the Downtown. Plyr,)iith area.
ie are concerned aboiltthis chan e because it is a dlcn,rnarture
from the carefully planned "-.Flow,"<of the phi de%req')
4mentt.
We are also concerned because ` the proposed change site use
d-u x~ I ceretail and p
establishments 'Initially plariaod :dor the total, development.
Wayzata n sister Comma Wayzata Bank
were the first investors in the Plymouth Hills Development
in 19 77,, lie made our investment after careful study and ` based
on the = following reasons
First, we were very impressedl with the well-planned
and detailed layout of the whole development. Low, rise,
low intensity restaurants viire—plannedt the entry way
o provide a pleasingsetting and an !.n itin e-f
entering the development, 'then, theembi. aticin of
retail and connercial tablis n .s t together with the
shopping area, began to increase the intensity of the
evelop nt. Ample parking and space o .dod for
those establishments.
City 1E,Ply-mouth
December 2, 1980
Then, set back from Highway 55, the office park with hic.-tior
rise buildings provided buffer betimen t1he busier
retail and the entialhic s to the rear of the
whole development area.
Thu - o e -dad o various' land uses
competing with each other, the Cita and the dev e
had arrived unify, plan that p i Q ":
business and residential drvelopment throughout the
vhole area
Next, we had the strong verbal assurances of the developer
that there wonly three financial institutions inthe
Plymou-th Hillsarea. We felt: that a combination of three
banks and a,.r* gs and loan- Inst--*Itutiotas would provide ". good
range ok chuice for the merchants, rosidents and shoppers
who would use the Plymouth Hills area
Finally, after considerable discussion with the Mayor and
other City officials, we felt that the City had a 'strongng
tor: tma sure not nl t #t Doi x`41% -mouth
was
the. central shupp and taIl huh o the Citi but
also that it would be developed eataccord with the
General Development Plan,
Until last stuamer, we had every reason to believethat the
General T' -ielopment PI an was being faithfully followed.
Roads anc utilities were going in. Plans were moving ahead
with restaurants and shopping - center, A a h bank and
saviLngs and loan had filled up the comp'.iment of financial
in ' i utions
Ho e:-,, we were surprised and very -s -t u e learn last
seer ,that Plymou4n Halls Company had soli a, site to a fourth
financial institutio - First National Bank of V.F zata. When
Questioned thedeveloper about this sale, e r , two
an ul r : First, the developer cla-iraedi 'had never been his
pl an t have only 'three n n al is tt'o whole
development. Second, the site apparerit3y is in one of the
complexes and therefor: is ti -
aompl6telv within the
zoning and intent of t1he General evel pment lan,"
Obviously, that was not our understanding,
Mk . JimWillis
itv densest,
Three
Now, Plyr.zuth Hillsnpany is not l planning add still
anotherfinn i but i al asking for change
i x v lop -m plan to accomplish this
The t r of competitors that lqy?eta Bane "gust will eventually
have its. downtotva Plymouth is not nor should be, a concern of the ity.
However, ware o d and we wr to cow=unicate that
to you - about the pp renis p x l
execution of. the original plan. To pit another way, "whatw
uU , doesn't seem w we're getting
It appears 1 . dein- done for the sake
of expediencyinsteadof following, the General. D l p o t Plan.
tl there i demand for financial institution space - and
the developer i making those spaces available th regard for
the original plan,, As housing develops the plan perhaps there
Nrill be agreat demand for liquor stokes or dry* cleaners or
another bu stem alongCounty Rd. 9.
Aus,original paarticipants in w ;tph ut , we were
Lln
dream and a concept. We are saddened to see that before there
is any development at all (adds ;from City Hall and the Pcsr
Office) that plan is alreadychanging.
Sincerely,,
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t A f0 Pr—PLY TO Minneapolis
i -aa of PI anning Commission tv
Plymouth
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3400 Plymouth Blvd.
Plymouth, Mimiesota 55447
Public Information Hearing respecting Prudential
Insurance Cokpany's application for a mixed
Planned Unit Development Concert Review relating
to proposed 167 acre develoj;,.iexxt located at the
Northeast Quadrant o the Intersection of T-94
and Highway 5 in the Citi of Plymouth
Dear Chairman a a liou.-
b a o lce repres,onts Harry F. DeZiel and Arlene
DeZiel who axe the owners of cert in premises Located
n the No- yeast Quadrant 'of 1-44 and Highwayay 5 which
are curr.al,;ly leased to Siacl ir Oil Cottipany.
urea of this letter is to advise you that
the i are opposed to the adoption of ally proposed
roadway r accesa Ply Which would eliminate the existingPointsAfaccesstotheDes' Premises from Highway 55.
Verb truly yours
a0bn S. Crouch
as es Willis # City Manager