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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPlanning Commission Minutes 10-22-1980qA A rt"I N( ICOM I iSION! P;4 VI"iIrE jWjk Oct"ober 22, 19UO the rePT-flaraeti ,oYv the ymu hPlannn.Commission was called to orderirrthe r,ou : a rs orrtCenter t 0 v o t r Boulevard P° Cera i rwom-an Vasiliou. x. R IN . Chair womnan Vasiliout Comanissioners Ur , Pauba, Barron and 11_4;: r; omuo ss ?n r Larson arrived at 8:20 P.M.; Cc,-Uylllissioner Steigerwald, arrived t 9. MEMBE.RS ABSENT: 111A PRESENT.* Community Developtnent Director Blair " `remer , Community Develop- ment Coordinator M.iry Ray, City Engineer Fred '1400re and Planning r, Secretary Barbara Anderson MOTION by Cora=r ss loner lili re,, seconded by Con, mi ss i dnor Heitchler to approve the Minutes of the October 8* 1980 meeting as submitted. MOTHAI CARRIES -0 ALL 'IN FAVOR Com,missioner Barron stated that he would like to have the Minutes from the Cit, o uncil meeting on Soptor-tor 22, 1980 redistributed s several pages were missing lF 1roathecosdstrutod to h Planning da:a i sion. Conditiwial 'Use Permit and Site Plan Arnettdrient Tbe reading of the October 1980 staff report was waived. ved. ommun t e elopment Wor ;xn for Flaw Ray showed slides of the Metroquip site. fir. Bud Haydvn was present representing l tro ui and Mr. Clifit ul tm of Ceorge Klein & Co., Architects was present as consultant to the p , It ton r. Corl"n.issioner Barron inquired wh the petitioner had recea,';Iy installed t on the site without a perj,,:0t. Mr. Hayden responded tart they did not know, a permit was required for filling. Chairwoman V lids declared thepublic hearing open. Mir. Ruikemna coavmmeWted on the staff report and stated that he felt that ccncrete curb and gutter around the storage area would cause a. problem 4ue to settlement of the paved area and they request that bituminous curb, be, allowed within the, fenced area. Staff stated that the Ordinance requires concrete curb and gutter around public parking and driving areas; it would not be necessary withinn tyre fenced storage area € mess there, is a heed for concrete curbing for drainage purposes as state in the 'Engineer's Memorandum. Mr.r-4 stated that some landscaping had been removed when the fill was put in,, the intent was to move the landscaping back and reinstall it at a. different l oat° on, fie stated, the additional landscaped area suggested by staff was not feasible in the tr i d d, e of t1he prou 'stora Ae area. explained v - r special loading ramp was 1proposed as -*all as sev-eral unpaved areas for tracke. vehicles vihich da, age r. f3uikema distributed a ,ravhlc s tai g landiscape plans and explain."'d m ei ue, S-1-ated that they have found it.;, ssian 4"Tive trees car provide effective screening year aruund hecausf-a, f their" dfbiiity to; retain thei r leaves. H that; there are other ui d n. -s on adace si-tes wthich ;Dula help to screen the s U o aA,ca rea- $t 1161 t 1T~ additional evergreensns were required, a planting heivOz f _ e was preferriwd, in consillwaration of the proposed beer,-.* o-3 ss err r ;Barron as ,cd if the rear area was to be striped for equipment stalls, n M r. .,ayden sated it lvioul l to provide good, organization and cortrol. fie said area wouldd not be used for ui) lc or customer (park n r sr le e the gravel tracked vehicle, pads ar d where they are .located; he also aired about the loading ramp. Mr#e a sho-aed the CommAssion where it was abed ' c%m is len r H.etchler cc;anent d that there was no catch,basin s dt,in connecting to the sewer, and observed that it appeared 'ta he c incree ')ad, was loiuer than the rest of the area. Iir. Suikema. edr..rre ed that his is a part of the orgoing engineering and it has not yet been determined what exactly will e done with V -, is area. Staff comment -ed that the unpaved areas were E not clearly indicated on the graphic. Mr. Buikeillla requested n t' mma ss n consider he graphic -.,lb.,nittedd at the meeting as their final plan and if they had any granges they will come back before the Coqrnission for a site plan atmendnient. Mr. Hayden stated that the unpaved area wou"d be a out 20 fFet by 70 feet and would tie located aloo theback of the site. Mr. Buikema orae it the graveledare n thea overhead traansuarency. Mr.` ug erna 'stated that ir def rere to thetime element the Planning crir-ssidn grant approval of the sn Acted plan and any graveled area would be an amended site plan. Chairwoman Vasiliou closed the public nearing,, and stated reservations about acting on pans submitted at the meet -Ing. MOTINN by Barron, seconded by a"wssi ner Wire to recommend approval of the conditional use permit and site plan amendment, for Mietroquip, Inc. subject to the following conditions: 1. Cor.npliance with the, City Engineer's Memorandum. 2. Storage only permitted within the area enclosed by the pressed bernling and landscaping. 3. tquijment st ra e area shall be bituminous surfaced and curbed and all public parking end driving areas shall he bounded by 861.12 curb and gutter. The proposed landscaping shall be 'tnstalled, prior' to issuance of a condition.11.1 use perrait and in ani. case prior to Juin 30, 10-81. 5. Outside storage of wase and waste containers shall be` prohibited* 6. Com;pltetiop and compliance v l n the requirements of Resolution No, -480 especially with respect to landscaping and outside storage. 1111%; 'rvs Pctober 22, 1990 y €. - o tyre required site p r r .lra C an to st; ion of the kjpnrovvd plantings ani relocation ofF plantings indicated, the sub- ft ed scape plan shall be revised to provide for s bs itut i tr six foot Colorado torvia Lilac for the seven Colorado ruse and`N rwa- ryas. 9. A catch basin shall be installed in the depression, for the loading 'ra,t.p subject to the City -'-'n9ineer's review. Discussion ensuee regarding installation of the landscaping prior to issuance of the 'conditional use pennit for outside storage., Mr. Suikerna comm nt d that wr: d be difffit,,ult to install the landscaping because the planting season is over on 'Novernb r Ist and they will need to have the storage area this winter.. Discussion ensued regarding e petitioner's non-compliance with the previous approval. "'°r. BRui na stated bids have beer let for the work. Staff explained the site work uld conmence with Council approvO, b # the conditional use permit would not b issued r i the site r- r . ns were oanpl e ed per Item No. 4. klh irworaan Vasiliou called for a vote on the notion. IV II' ON', CARRIED on a roll call vote, five a asn dr ion `56ff LakydsL(9LIY!j j Prel i mi rear This item was introduced b staff who reviewed the October '17, 19,80 staff report. that iteva #6 should b deleted from the Engineer'sis Mzm rarrdu Regarding condition 912 in the Engineer's e ` s a cd parer€ d that it has been Cit, n l Ick! that the City should not constrain a property owner from the use of his property because of Countyr State riad construction. Staff introduced a letter from Mrs. Barbara A* 1"'fe3rr i 1. Commissioner Wire inquired whether the store eater drainage plan which has been proposed was sufficient. City Engineer Fred doors responded airtiv1 Chairwoman Vaisiliou declared the public hearing open. Mr. Richard °i rf Wlestwood Planning and Engineering, consultant to the petitioner, inquired whether, was orrest to assume that they would del, y the final plat until the road is completed. Staff respodded 'that they are not item #12 as 'a staff recorilme,,,ndevtlion- Staff also commented that Iter, No. 6of the Engineer's Memo should be deleted b ads the rai rrk dor plan indicated the trail in this area would b n orp ra d with the New County Rudd ` right-of-way. Discussion enraged regarding the layout of the Tots and particularly Lot Mr. Krier explained the; reasons for platting Lot 3:without access to the cul -da -sad and agreed that it would b ideal to access all the lots from the cul-de-sac. He explained that Lot 3 has are existing 'dwelling or, it and faces County Road' 9. fie s a d the rpreeent owner of the home is doing exte.,iverenovation of the home ars it rannot b E44€ s 4- aha IN `Tae«:,K ,+. i'+R ".,3va tai. IBUk E - ,. ctob ar *, 1 ,8 moved access f ruin the cul. -de. sac.; iexplained the design of the p lit was for traffic flow aged privacy for t' 'e twouldThey feel that given the nature off errt? existing rhnaEUki Bina the other features of hp preliminary plat they have developed the best plan poss`ble. He stated they have a purchose agreement for Lot 5 and showed the Planning r- C w.i ss on the erne teat i s -reposed t be builtChem.;. He e stated no varianc; .,s were pr ?,, d. Com-missioner Hletchler coaaaented that there were variances invo d in the plan that i fie reviewed. Staff coiuiented that they have not reviewed tpari that Mr. Kri r: was showing to the Planning Commission. Staff commented that it is unlawful to represent parcel of land which has ncc been created and the purchase agreement mentioned by Mr. Wer should not be a pat -t of the Planning Commission's consideration. In ter 4 case of Lot 1, staff r c inm nded that at least oas t entt s be provided so that n the future the lot can access the cul-de-sac. Com,missioner Barron inquired hot long the house been owned by the new owner, Mr. Mike Halle,7. President of Halleyy Land Corporation stated tat the house was the property the estate., ani the prospective buyer intends to undertake exp nsiv remodel Ing Covn. Iss c# n r Barron v rif d that s "work wasnot now nd rwa ., and tars ad ds to nts could rade regarding " access ruin the snub. Mr. `Randy "ra a ia, 14201 ExcelOor Boulevard, *4nnetonka., stated that he represents the people have the house pr op s d for Lot S. P4 stated that they had n conmen s until the final has been approved. fiMr. Floyd R.:H dd n , 106101 40th Avenue North, stated that he was present representing the Lost Lake .t. n owner . fie stated that they do not want the "level of the Take to rise because of this development. f!e stated there has been lind- scaping done based or the natural drainage, anul they are concerned about the changes n existing drainage t.,hich may result fron. this plat. He stated that. there must be a drainage pie l r e Hough to handle the drainage from the lake is it now drains across the land involved i n the plat. He stated that they were also concerned about the at:tual location of New County Road 9. 1 s. Barbara Merrill, personal representative of the estate of Leslie Hoffer, stated that: she wished to express her appreciation of t -he Planning Commission disregarding con.It on #12 of she Engineers Mlemorandixi and allowing the land to be developed, She asked for, their consideration of the problems involved in trying to settle the estate. She inquired about the street improvements and her understanding that it gra% too late to petition the City to install them next ,year, Staff explained that e development contract contains an option that the developer can Install the improvements and it does not necessarily have to be done by the, City. lom Sullivan. 4180 Trenton ..ane North, expressed his concern about the drainage and the level of the "lake* He is also concerned about the tuning and construction of neer County 1"Mad 9,` and i,, u red whether there was anything the„ or the City could'. do to speed yap the construction, process. Staff responded that they could contact the Hennepin County Commission and e e s their vievis. Mr.,Sullivan Inquired as to the area and setbacks of the south tots. Mr. Don Schwmacher no address given) expressed concern regarding GDunty Road 9 and the status the new construction which is ,proposed. Staff stated that; it Is in the County's Five Year Plan* aNxiA.a`,:c ,:tom P' a a .s.a 6' Octs§, x `a0October ',.Yt Conisaisqioner 'a h i inquired regardingrding tire, exact location of the draina e pipe. v off stlated that the drainage lla s submitted, by the tier are adequate mmo pie Engi eer i a rwo:*e-.gin Vasilliou closed the u' i s hea«Ing. I01f by Corit-lissioner dire, seconded by Z'om-od ss i oner Hetchler to take action of this petition this eve. K)T 11 CARRIED 5-0-0 ALL IN FAVOR 110IN by Commissioner '1-Are,, seconded by Conmissioner Pauba to defer 0e preliminary Plat for "Lost ak Wood.-,," with the follcwinq directions to the t,,'i er: Plans shall be submitted shoeing access for Lot 3 to the cul-de-sac. In further discussion ComumissionerS. Wire and Pauba accepted in the motion mm ssi rr . arr "s observation that access from the existingdwell it ' should el iia. MOTION CARR_'ED on a roll call vote, five ayes* Mr. *rier sought d r ion on the frontage design of the cul-de-sac lots, and staff re ordinance ry s gs s conditions. wsI res-s f thealerroedto Corimission that a "panhandle" access for Lot 3 would be considered. Dundee Nurs rl - Site Plan Ameiidment T reading the October 7, 19080 staff report s wai red. M . Ray azar was Present for Dundee Nursery and stated he had read the staff report and had no questions zn it; conditions 1- iar+e' acceptable to thept. Cornissioner Larson arri wd at the nesting at 8:20 P.M. t-101HON by Commissioner Pauba, seconded by Commissioner Wire to recommend approval of the site plan amendment for Dundee Nursery subject the following conditions: There shall be no storage or display of landscaping materials in the front. ,yard area or paved front parking lot. 2. All waste and waste containers shall be storwi within the building r Within an approved s r rx as specified in the City Zoning Ordinance. 3. Site shall be maintained in a ti-dyti-dmanners 4. Any.signage shall be in compliance with the ordinance. 6. Outside display of merchandise shall be limited to the rear area designated on the approved plan. MOTION CARRIED on. a roll call vote, six ayes. The meeting recessed at 8.25 P.M. and resumed 8:35 P-M# VLANNINn CAUk'NISSIGNIN -6- Octob-or 22s 1980 r rs f 'nI;c r s * ' " Rn a,. and P rel L i ar a @k a s syy yq vss. *taT leviev "1 1 e . _1 4»xos pwK e to data. She stated thatT47i i$$ 5 Yp:3fi5 E$ +T R4We2 {T B i TN. $ wEi Arm 4R f Fi..i a$ ,IMI y'7 ..T.zY 9Wg. 'M'. n FM .ai L Lk Re'."b than ane of the most frequently expressed rn of the citizens at the pUblic ea inns` vias parks. The Parks erector review the darks Plan for *be City ,,Jth tie Parks and Recreation Comimission and develop a reo 8r.rfier dati n 1W the City Council regarding any needed facilities in this area, She stated that the ribs t hearing had been geld on r e o n r I and pre l r oar at y for proposal will Lie the final plat' and then there will bee individual site parr approvals for x each of the pr,)posed sites. She stated that any agroements reached betty eh the iti h e e p r were private agreements and the City l annot take torose into account n their approvals. r. Skip 'McCombs of t1,o orrrbs Xnu son 4ssocilates reviewed the future alignment of Fernbrook Lane and the irrt rs,otion with County Road 15,, and he ho red rossible alternative alignments t-:itb graphics. Discussion ensued regarding the reed sr a intersection of Fernbrook Lane with County Road 15. Staft co.ma,.ent-ad that the intersection vias ` ndic:;.ted on the Thoroughfare Guide Plan, and the timing of the improvement wou d be function of area needs, but should be reviewed now because ' of a tivlate design on County Road 15 at Carlson Parkway. V10TION by Commissioner Darr, n, seconded by Commissioner Wire to endorse A" to nate as the proposed, connection of Fernbrook Larne with County Road 154 MOTION CARR IED 6-0-0 ALL TUN' FAVOR Mr. McCombs reviewed the staging and time frame for the construction of the inter - charges arra construction onthe sites in Plpouth. He referred to Exhibit d in tIIa Civ$ s.ar, i -I , cedf- boo IN, e# Staff reviewed the proposed roads and intercl. r,-es within the proposal. Mr. McCombs explaiiied the Berkshire Lane prnposal which was Beard for the Berkshire Lan - Homeowners. He eriphasized the plan was not the petitioner's but was submitted, as matter of clarificationof neighborhood concept for an alternative* Staff recotmen ed the design r osZd i tW c ve aper' general development plan. Staff explained City requirementsens for issuing ra i rig peratits fol l or i ng preliminary, plat approval and Mr. McCombs stated that they are not going to do any gradin until they have approval of tie interchange and also they hive to complete an Environmental Ass ssmert Wor,F,,heet prior to taking grading permits. MOTIONommiss oner Wire, seconded by Chairwoman V sil iou to recorrurr nd the proposed Berkshire Lane layout with re*.,tricted turkr:s proposed by the neighbors based on the 'lanni ng Commission -'s desire to have this layout. r* 3avi Rygren stated that they brought trier design; to ItIcCor,10s Knutson Associatese and they have prepared the graphics bjjt it is tie citizens proposal and s 'not come from 'McCombs Knutson Associates, They have} consulted with the City 'ng ' eer and with staff. Staff stated that they do not r -oniend this proposal., 6ommissioner Barron, inquired of staff what the problems were. : to ff stated that it would be difficult to enforce the traffic floe at the turas. City Engineer- 'Fred Moore stated that the industrial traffic should be kept separate f'r4orn the residential traffic, 4nd enforcement of the "restricted turns" would he difficult. Al^Mt A Ir rtaVMNISSTPIS -7- Octoher 22, 11980 MINNO ,, b`*.}i fss .,.,t!r Barron,, seconded by C,'r-rni s i n * 'sire to ax fiend to add tbat ifelead ends: sign be ivital led at the intersection of Vie nes access road and er snire 4 a ,., g n stated the t they realize that n one i i av i r je except t- homeowners but Vis ed to state that they feel the advantages outweighhe is. advantages. also stated they endorse connection of she "Ist Avenue" ea s ,-vlest street in the development of County Road 61. G Chairwoman 11as l i u called for a vote on the amendment. 41CARRIED M mi si ger Pauba Oppoaed Comimissioner Pauba stated that he forsees problems with the proposal: which would ri ncj out -We traffic into the area. Chairwoman Vasiliou called for a vote on the rnaln motion as once amended. MOTION CARRIED on a rollcall vote,, five ages., Commissioner Pauba opposed# Mr. Sheldon Johnson of Associates reviewed the traffic analysis and explained how the figures were attained. 141 explained the lures of service and showed illustrations f each one. He spa r. rap os i the Year I or f volumies generated by the site only at the ° peak hour and volunne figures for the total traffic which lnd d supposedly use those interchanaes. Ito discussed the Parker's Lake Road and County Road 15 intersection and presented traffic volume figures with Parker's Lae Road beth open and closed. He stated that his recommendation is that it houlde, eft open because o close ' would cause a Toss in flexibilitytr and omie traffic - congestion,. Discussion ensued regarding the figures on the various roads. Mr. darer 8enshoof, Westwood Planning and Engineering gave a brief overview of the results of his analysis of the traffic study and has recommendations. Discussion ensued regarding the results of fir® Benshoof's report and the levels of traffic on major collector streets. Commissioner Wire inquired about the difference between agar and a minor collector street City Engineer Fred Moore stated that the definition is applied according to the use of the street,, moreso than volumes`of raffao; iscussaon ensued regarding future interchange of Counter Road 6 and 1-494, and fir.' Benshoof and staff consented that It would be needed Year 2000, even if the City of Minneapolis property to the west weren't fully developed,, Mr. Benshoof .0 nt- ed that staging of this development was critical, fir¢ Xygren asked Mr. Johnson of Barton s manss baa es o cor men e proposed Berkshire Lane Connection., Mr. Johnson stated that he had noomment., Mr, Nygren asked if Mr. Benshoof would comment, on the proposal., r.. Benshoof stated that e concurred with staff that it was not good connection and he felt that the industrial and residential traffic should be dept separated because there are motorists that will use that *oute in spite of signage; He Feels that any connection e wr en County Road 61 to the east should be avoided to avoid negative trafficffi impact on the residential areas and on the major thoroughfares. Yr. Ry9ren commented that they have talked to some of the Parks`Commissioners M 1 M SIU T ;' October 221 1930 regarding w z.,r~ in the development. ha rwor an k, stated, that it would be reviewed by PRAC. Mr. INy ren stated thdt they Feel -h-att, ar sb C ° s anies has b fair -and i ea Rifat- '4 i wta e -h #hn"tx :V n 4f 'i:111 i a `A § Y ws <. awe w. =,r xr + ae a„ `T.. a- $ s.' q[ a 3 b,. z +.. ',A s a„ '%A € 1 S F 1 rV S 7,t t RA ¢.fi Y : ; gem resod Mr. Bob Troeiyuiiel sub.riitted a letter to the Planning Cortmission expressing his concern about the intersection of Carlson art a ' vA Cb County Road 15. Ile sub- ined a` graphic showing an alternative intersection of 'Ta bor Lane:, County Road 5 and Carlson Parkway for the Commission's review. Com4missioner Barron stated that fie ccu d not support the proposed intersection alignment because it has been a policy of the City to keep intersections at right angles and he can sae probes with she proposed intersection. C" r,-, issioner Wire corks,rented that he had concerns regarding the intersection of Counter Road and Carlson Pe -', way err uired whether there been ro osal of not connecting County RoaG .5 with Carlson Parkway at all. iNiscussion ensued regarding the traffic flow and counts in, this area kind possible alterantives. City Engineer Free Mloore stated that eliminating the connection between the arterial and connector street systems, would cause a bread in the hor ug .'#*e system the city. Commissioner ei erwald commented that he could see 'dire vehicle probleim, if County Road 15 were not connected with Carlson Parkway. Commissioner Wire stated perhaps an upgraded Parsers Lake Road could be shifted. easterly and ,rro fld connection o Carlson Parkway in inne on a. Commissioner Barron c .E ePer ed hat els 1 -Nat re1 ter valves" and s support the closing of the intersection of County Road 15 and 'Carlson Parkway. Discussion ensued regarding the recommendations of the consultants and professional staff* j omrissiener Hetchler expressed concern regarding ;the parcel included in the proposal I which is not owned by CarlsonCompanies, Staff explained that the land would have to be acquired prior to road construction and, therefore, development. MOTION by Commissioner Barron, seconded by Commissioner Steigerwald'to recommend approval of the rezoning and preliminary plat for "Carlson enter" subject to the fol dpi rig conditions.- I. onditions Compliance w th the City, Engineer's -14e o andurs for this project* 2. Compliance with the development and public transportation system improvement staging plan., 3. Final zoning, and davelopment of individual nonresidential sites s4-.111 not be approved by the City Council until constructionon contracts have been awarded for the Carlson Narkway/Highway 12 interchange west of 1-494,and for the Agh iy 15/1-494 me crrw,n e and County. Road 61 east of 1.4944 A. The intent is that sass grading can cowaerrce once the .A.W., has been. approved and when the appropriate radi g permits have been issued W11 h bonding for erosion control and, restoration). I Pf t AT ¢.n s:V4 I October 19,x-0 S. e a -ive to Cntlf,-Ity Poad 1151 and development east 017 1-494, no na zoning or site elan appr val should occur h rl taitil she contracts 3'r $?. E'3% 4i 3c+fY kit fi%l- 44it, le Dray, A I r, iT—AGS rf^`avxa es.cY^m 4.IA s n x"v N r .7^. TTNO6:H .ii,#SiT' i ala Fa k %w.i$y t County lad GI connection from Ifighway 12 to XeniumLane. 4. Con }p lesion of the required Envirorm,-ental Assessment11orksheet process prior to final platting. 5. Deterraination, by 'the City Council of a futura a g Mle of Fernbrook Ue an interseCt.ion with. County Rose 15 prior to final at n1;. n a errs s building ecat Ions rr s ec a cr as to project buffering and transitions shall be as indicated it the October, 1,980 sub;*iittal subject 1W detailed final larr a -,,m: -oval arra lhuture site pear apl,rcva s. 7. Final design and density of residential developments, shall be subject to suture site plan a sreva in accordance with applicable Ordinance requirements at that 8. The Berkshire Lane Alteration submitted by neighborhood residents is recomm.end- ed and there shall be a }ad a end" sign placed on the corner of Lots 9, Blockhagen Addition. 111WI by Commissioner Wfi r , seconded by ca d s-iioner Retarder to amend n i' rr to ad -d.- "..-addressingthe 'configuration o o f ng ' )army Road 15, Carlson ' Parkway and Harbor Lane and the anticipated traffic. crmaissioner Wire ccrtjnerrt--i that he feels it is contrary to the Thoroughfare Guide Plan to have"- ` fn vehicles on County 110a, 11,)r ivii' should 11-Je a- hcheief ial collector. Commissioner Barron stated he could not support the aimendment for reasons cited earlier Relative to the intent f eliminating the intersection of County Road 1 with Carlson Parkway. Chairv,mman Vasiliou called for a vote on the amendment I A ' on roll cal' vote, mjni sinners teig rvia , ar ha, Larson, arr a and Basilic opposed. Cc mi4sioners Wire and flet hler in favor, Commissioner ra r submit a minority statement on this issue Chairwoman Vasiliou stated it wculd he attached to the Minutes for this meeting. Chairwoman Vasiliou called for a vote on the main motion* 1101*CARRIED an a roll call vote, seven ayes. Chairwoman Masi iou reminded all the Commissioners about the Lard U..e Control Course and instructed theni to contact the .arra ng Secretary about attending. She also requestee that staff lnswre that arra items: such as "Carlson Center" are never last on an agenda because she feels that it is unfair to the citizens to have to wait So longo She also stated that PRAC would review the parks issue for the pt A q.t..Y;:$ t- - Carlson Cent_ r" proposal and make, a recommendatior. City Co u Staff coy -merited that a developer who had previously appeared before the Planning toTn,iss'tiabout coning backagain at another open forum as they have mia significant charges in their proposal. `specifically., the issije is`vAiether the proposed development should be a PUD or rr:,i., Cortm.iss )ner Barron stated :hat w a d trmeti, is as large as this ones :° should be a planned unit development and riot a conventional plat. The Commissionr d. Cha rwonan Vasiliou stated that the Planning oinissi n e s requested that consultants do not distribute materials to the public until the Mopday ging e` d s ri i,r, of the agenda rackets to the Planningmw ss on. M r-woma n #a - l i u also stated that she would like to have a secondto each ro on the Ifloor before discussion occurs. Chair xornan Vasiliou commented about incomplete applications coming before the Planning omf ss o.', Staff stateded the applications were complete- some petitioners continue to 4n ro ,,w material at the meeting because they apparently perceive the Commission is re i . Choirwoman' Vasiliou Ir a ed that is contrary to. CwMission policy. MOTION by Commissioner* Pauba, seconded `y Chairwr an Vasil you to ad,,' w rp the meeting. r` - - 0 ALLIN FAVOR TN meati rig adjourned 10:50 N,11. 7 Or 2' P(.AR", "IF gn r G FILE tg 80019 4nlent of the {as° s { * 11 and - j E V Of h g k rt £4 a i what T V `M 0 11 be a potential Traffic pro".11em ov, old County Road 15 between Parjkers Lakeaprop0sed Car fonarki-a This portion of ol(l County Rb a 1 15 east of P rker; Lake 'Road is shlown as a rtr collector the 'thoroughfare Guide Plan. 011d County Road 15 east of y rkers Lake Road is shown as a major collector. T clear distinction As miade in theh rd r ar Guide Plan between a major and i n recll r. If it is assured that a Vii n r° coll,octor may handle up to one.-hall etre , paci y characteristils of a major collector, certi,lin conditions becloi,,qe evident after reviewing Barton-As btY}an Associates 11.,raffic analysis t erTo of Ocitober 171,, 80 regarding the closure of Rarkers Lake Road. Parkers Lake Road is open to Higlivay 12, the & .- of exi,;,--ing old County Road 15 east of Parkers Lake Road will carry more traffic than the portion west of Parkers Lake Road 0,50 vs. 905 at PM peak year 2. If, for some reason in the future, Ainneton would de*ide - ar rs Lake Read, traffic counts on old County Read 15 east olA Parkers Lake Road would increase to 1480 vs. ; 755 to the w, M peak year In viae of the above conditions, It is important from a planting s o ndpoin;, to attempt maintain traffic counts on old County Road 15 according to plana That traffic counts on ofd County, Riad 15 to theeast of Parkers Lake Road less thin counts ott old Countty Road 15 to the west ar cs Lake Road* One other pointe should be considered, The ComprehensivePlea clearly states or, pp point 2, that collectcirs should designed miinimize through traffic., That is, the layout of collectqrs should not promote diversion dfi traffic From. arterials. In other words,,, design de % r Tr_+Fs tr fi s count,, not Tass l in the hoFo5 - ar> Guide Plan. If the proposed intersection of old Chanty Road 15 and Car` son Parkway shown in the rel ivriraary plat is approved it will be possible to easily circumvent westerly Highway 12 trafficinto Wayzata by turning onto old County Road 15 frotu Carlson Parkway and proceeding; west on first a minor tollector,, thr a major collector and finally a minor arterial a ' Vicksburg Lane. The sage sit ztion exists for east bound traffic coming fr-iii Wayzata.